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Published: 2013-06-05 22:56:26 +0000 UTC; Views: 2253; Favourites: 22; Downloads: 8
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Description A map of the original western states of the CSA, before the 2nd Mexican-American War. Because of its loyalty, the Confederate Indian Territory was granted statehood, with representatives of the Five Civilized Tribes governing the state. Texas, having seceded with the rest of the southern states, recieved "No Man's Land", and Greer County, which had been disputed between it and the Indian Territory. The Arizona Territory was also made into a state, after the population grew to an acceptable size.

If anyone knows anything about the capital city of Sequoyah, tell me in the comments.
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LNucleus [2017-05-07 05:11:57 +0000 UTC]

This is an old map now, but I have some thoughts on the capital of Sequoyah.

First, I googled some old images of Oklahoma, but the original site they are hosted on is down, so I can only see nasty jpegified versions of them. There appears to be some settlement in the Kiowa/Comanche/Apache region just east of Greer County. It would be roughly in the Wichita Mountains, near OTL Snyder, Oklahoma. It's hard to tell what is there or even what the name is, but there is SOMEthing there. This is also a good candidate because the railroad ends up going through this area OTL (who knows ITTL)

There are only a few settlements of note from old cattle trail maps too, but they are mostly river crossings and forts.

The best candidate I have found is OTL Tishomingo, which at this time was known as Good Springs. The Capitol of the Chickasaw Nation was established in Tishomingo in 1868. The only issue is it's not exactly centrally located and may favor the Chickasaw in particular (but the Chickasaw are more familiar to Southerners in the eastern CSA anyway, so maybe they don't care).

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KantiaCartography In reply to LNucleus [2017-05-07 15:21:07 +0000 UTC]

If I remember correctly, I chose Muskogee as the state capital because (I think) it was the capital of the Cherokee nation and the Cherokee were larger than the other Civilized Tribes in terms of population. If I were to redo this map, I would probably put more effort into the territorial organization of Sequoyah, with a less centrally organized political system.

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LNucleus In reply to KantiaCartography [2017-05-07 21:30:31 +0000 UTC]

Oh, I just realized that the whole state was Sequoyah! I had mistakenly thought you were asking about a capital for what I now see is the Chickasaw portion.

My bad!

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KantiaCartography In reply to LNucleus [2017-05-07 23:44:54 +0000 UTC]

It's all good. This was an iPad map so some things aren't so clear.


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mdc01957 [2013-06-06 02:42:52 +0000 UTC]

Why's the Panhandle a No Man's Land?

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KantiaCartography In reply to mdc01957 [2013-06-06 15:09:43 +0000 UTC]

I didnt really mention this very well, but the darker parts, No Man's Land and Greer County, are territories ceded to Texas after the end of the war.

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mdc01957 In reply to KantiaCartography [2013-06-06 15:17:35 +0000 UTC]

That would make more sense. Though I imagine "No Man's Land" as a site of some horrific WW1-style bloodbath.

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KantiaCartography In reply to mdc01957 [2013-06-06 15:44:27 +0000 UTC]

Originally it was the "Neutral Strip" but after some research, I found out that at the time in was No Man's Land

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mdc01957 In reply to KantiaCartography [2013-06-06 16:37:04 +0000 UTC]

Didn't know that. ^^

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KantiaCartography In reply to mdc01957 [2013-06-07 05:22:55 +0000 UTC]

Yeah the panhandle was of little value

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AmongTheSatanic [2013-06-06 00:34:23 +0000 UTC]

Not sure about that Gadsen Purchase southern border if Mexico was annexed in its entirety. Arizona may as well have a coastline...

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KantiaCartography In reply to AmongTheSatanic [2013-06-06 00:54:17 +0000 UTC]

Well I would expect Arizona to recieve statehood earlier than OTL, with southern farmers and miners settling there instead of where they would have, like in the ITL western states of the USA, or Oklahoma. It is quite possible that Arizona would recieve statehood before 1878, before the Mexican states were incorporated. In any case, Arizona already had access to the Bay of California through the Colorado River, like OTL Nevada. I am taking a considerably conservative approach to this timeline.

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AmongTheSatanic In reply to KantiaCartography [2013-06-06 03:49:03 +0000 UTC]

Well I assumed the government was inclined to put the white-dominant states in the best position possible.

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Todyo1798 [2013-06-05 23:19:38 +0000 UTC]

Very nice internal divisions of Sequoyah there. Would the US maybe create a similar state out of Dakota? After all you don't want it being said that the guys who own slaves are more tolerant of Indians then you are.

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KantiaCartography In reply to Todyo1798 [2013-06-06 00:56:05 +0000 UTC]

Yes, Dakota is never split and is an Indian run semi-autanamous state of the US, but Im not considering the internal divisions yet.

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JamesVF [2013-06-05 23:13:22 +0000 UTC]

I would've thought that the Confederates would use the 5 Tribe's land for a much needed expansion of their war-ravaged agricultural sector, thus displacing the natives and probably pushing them out into the U.S. This is, however, a very nice map from a technical standpoint.

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KantiaCartography In reply to JamesVF [2013-06-06 01:01:16 +0000 UTC]

The CSA had an agreement with the Native Americans (or at least the Choctaws and Chickasaws) that they would give them semi-autonomy in exchange for military aide against the Union. States like Texas, Florida, and Arizona were transformed into the new agricultural centers of the nation, giving other state, like Virginia and North Carolina, the chance to improve their industrial capabilities. After the incorporation of the Mexican states in 1878, agricultural production increased significantly.

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