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County1006 [2017-09-27 18:50:45 +0000 UTC]
I thought the Starfighter was such an exciting aircraft, Sad that it had so many accidents with the Lufwaffe. It was awesome though......
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kanyiko In reply to County1006 [2017-09-27 23:38:12 +0000 UTC]
I remember seeing the Italian Air Force's F-104S at their last appearances on the Belgian airshow circuit - a sight and sound sorely missed!
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County1006 In reply to kanyiko [2017-09-28 19:57:00 +0000 UTC]
Must have been awesome.
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kanyiko In reply to County1006 [2017-09-28 20:52:47 +0000 UTC]
It's an unforgettable sound...
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sc62568 [2017-09-27 01:53:46 +0000 UTC]
Beautiful plane! Love how they display it pointing up.
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Lugia20711 [2017-09-25 22:20:51 +0000 UTC]
Cool shot!
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kanyiko In reply to Lugia20711 [2017-09-26 21:09:23 +0000 UTC]
Thank you! ^_^
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BlueFox284 [2017-09-25 05:53:48 +0000 UTC]
Nice! Glad they were smart enough to keep it high off the ground.
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kanyiko In reply to BlueFox284 [2017-09-25 08:08:26 +0000 UTC]
It's also in the middle of a guarded and fenced private parking space.
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BlueFox284 In reply to kanyiko [2017-09-26 05:05:48 +0000 UTC]
Ohhh good. . .It just reminded me of Larsen Park here in the States. . .Where old Navy planes went to die became "playground equipment".
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kanyiko In reply to zkfanart [2017-09-26 21:44:27 +0000 UTC]
It's probably one of the best represented aircraft in terms of preservation over here in Belgium.
Belgium had 100 F-104G's and 12 TF-104G's - of these, 38 have been preserved (37 F-104G's and 1 TF-104G), including 18 F-104G's in Belgium, 6 F-104G's in the USA, 5 F-104G's in Turkey, 3 F-104G's in Germany, 1 F-104G and the TF-104G in France, and 1 F-104G each in the Netherlands, Greece, the Czech Republic and Canada...
Added to that, two ex-Luftwaffe F-104G's in turn have been preserved over here in Belgium (this being one of them) - so yeah, 20 F-104G's preserved on Belgian soil is pretty good for an aircraft with a reputation of being a 'lawn dart'...
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zkfanart In reply to kanyiko [2017-09-30 03:37:10 +0000 UTC]
awesome!
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kanyiko In reply to benitezdk [2017-09-27 13:04:49 +0000 UTC]
Not the easiest aircraft to pilot.
Most of the issues the Germans had with it came from the fact they had a huge technology jump (from no air force in 1955, to an air force flying T-6s in 1956, F-84Fs in 1957, F-86Fs in 1959, and F-104s in 1962) Added to that, unlike other NATO countries, there had been no continuation following the War in terms of its pool of air force pilots (for obvious reasons) - so they either had pilots that hadn't flown for ten years, or pilots that hadn't flown at all before. This compared with - for instance - their Belgian and Danish counterparts, who in the same ten-year gap had gathered experience flying the Spitfire, Meteor, F-84G and Hawker Hunter.
Compounding it all, the F-104 was deployed in a role for which it never had been intended (fighter-bomber rather than high-altitude interceptor); most telling of this is the fact that of 116 pilots lost in German service, half were Marineflieger pilots, who mostly operated as low-altitude fighter-bombers.
As if that wasn't enough, most of the maintenance crew were in fact conscripts, who had been signed up for a year or two of service - by the time they had finally mastered the complex maintenance of the F-104, they were already demobbed, replaced by a new batch of inexperienced conscripts...
A final blow was the complex geographical and meteorological environment in which the aircraft was tasked to fly - poor weather and high terrain resulted in an awful lot of otherwise avoidable CFITs. In all, the Germans lost 292 out of 916 Starfighters, an attrition rate of nearly 32%
Compared to this, the Japanese, who solely flew their F-104Js in the Air Defence (high altitude) role for which the aircraft had been designed, only lost 3 out of 230 F-104s in 24 years of service... (1.3% attrition)
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NavJAG [2017-09-24 13:20:48 +0000 UTC]
Very nicely preserved!
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kanyiko In reply to NavJAG [2017-09-26 21:16:18 +0000 UTC]
They did a massive job on her. When she was collected from Dresden, she had sat outside for over a decade. Her wings, canopy, nosecone, and tail surfaces were missing, and her fuselage was a collection of patches from numerous battle damage repairs from her time as an instructional airframe.
P.S. Aero bv is a company which acquires and sells airframes for display purposes - and just looking at the company on Google Earth is a bit of a mind-blowing experience of its own...
www.google.be/maps/@51.3258161…
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