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Description Made this on my birthday last week as a bit of a gift to myself. Kaseiko yawning and being cat-like.

I have a file where I began coloring it, but that'll have to wait a bit longer until I finish up more commissions. At least I managed to draw a little something for myself on my birthday though.
I think after I finish commissions I'll make Kaseiko a new ref, both with a better view of how to draw her horns from the front to make them more bull-like (as shown here) rather than antelope-ish, as in her current ref. Also need to make better wing references for her, as well as point out a few aspects in her design and what they represent. 

In other news, yawning expressions are pretty hard to replicate, she kept either looking like she was crying or yelling, was hard to find a balance haha.

May scrap after I get the finished version up eventually.

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starling16 [2014-06-24 12:13:41 +0000 UTC]

Nah leave it up
I can see how that expression would be tricky ^^ congrats there! Definitely looks a little sleepy, and I like that one eye is closed.
SO FLUFFY ^^
Gotta agree about the ref though, and the points made by Vannjaren there

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Kasaurus In reply to starling16 [2014-06-24 21:21:33 +0000 UTC]

Maybe xD 
Thank you! <3
I will make a new ref for Kaseiko when I get the chance, but for now I'm caught up with other things lol

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starling16 In reply to Kasaurus [2014-06-24 23:33:32 +0000 UTC]

^^
I understand! She comes first though, when you have time <3

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Vannjaren [2014-05-24 13:42:06 +0000 UTC]

B'aww, her little face looks just adorable here, and I love how her paws are tucked under like that, so sweet!

She also looks a bit chunkier/stockier here - I know in part it's to do with the catlike pose and the arch to her back, but her body definitely looks a good bit thicker here(especially since it's clear that her shoulders and the front part of her body is still small and narrow)... were you thinking of changing her proportions a little bit? Like making the rear part of her body and hindlegs thicker and more powerful?
Just curious, because she definitely looks different here to me... although my brain could just be stupid and reduced to mush following exams.

The fluff on her neck and shoulders is ADORABLE by the way, and I like the change to the horns, it suits her face very well. <3

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Kasaurus In reply to Vannjaren [2014-05-25 01:54:29 +0000 UTC]

Thank you so much <33

I hadn't intended for her to look that much bigger, it was mostly just a combo of the longer body coming back around and the belly fluff. o: 
I have been thinking at times that she could be drawn a little chubbier though, and thinner at other times, guess it depends on the picture. She's not very powerful though haha

<3

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Vannjaren In reply to Kasaurus [2014-05-25 14:52:57 +0000 UTC]

You're very welcome indeed!

Haha, I thought that was part of it, but she still definitely looked a bit chubbier to me... although I didn't want to phrase it that way and hurt her feelings, she's still beautiful of course.

But yeah, when I saw this drawing I did kinda think: oh, has somebody been snacking a bit more lately?
It doesn't look bad on her though, it kinda suits her - not fat of course but she does just look a bit more chunky there.
Ah, I wasn't sure how strong she was, but it's kinda interesting that she's not too powerful, makes her a bit more "normal" or approachable or something.

Ha, this is just a sketch, but it's an updated version of Vroenfael, with up to date physique and anatomy: vannjaren.deviantart.com/art/V…
Haha, he's now a hybrid between the Kårstatt/North-Germanic and Renvor/Standard Continental clans (who I'm making a ref for at the moment), as well as having a semi-shorthaired mutation; his body fur is now much shorter, and even his neck fur is shorter aside from the "Mohawk" mane of course. His elbow and ankle feathering is also longer and finer, with his tail having longer fur, but also finer fur of a different texture than before.
He's also much more "awkward" and gawky-looking - more like the lanky idiot he was intended to be rather than being overly elegant or graceful - his proportions are definitely slightly stranger now, but that's intentional.
His muscles are a lot more defined and clearly visible, as are his joints and bone structure - hehe, that's the Kårstatt blood coming out in him there. The bigger, bonier paws too...
Some more detail I think in the comments underneath him... I also hope to re-use this sketch not just for the reference (Vroen makes a "cameo appearance" at the bottom as a demonstration of a hybrid :'D)
Finally got his face how I intended too...

I still have to redesign his metallic parts since I'm not entirely sold on the old design, and that'll take a while... but at least I've got his physique and face how I intended. He might not be as "pretty" as before, and look a bit gangly or unattractive, but I like him better that way. (he's taller now too, and a bit more speedy. :'D He IS a good bit stronger than he looks though, but he's still not the most powerful guy around -relative to his size- by any means )

Just thought that might be interesting since I don't think you'd met updated-Vroenfael yet. <3

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Kasaurus In reply to Vannjaren [2014-05-31 23:33:20 +0000 UTC]

xD Well I think she can probably be drawn either way, so I might make her both chunky and thin in different pictures depending on what they are.
And since she's largely based on aspects of me, and I hate to say it, but I'm not physically strong/powerful lol, so I couldn't bring myself to make her very strong either. She can probably only be stronger if angry/charging someone, but other than that, strength doesn't really suit her I think. o:

Nice c:
I always love how much detail you put in everything <3
And he has such unique anatomy too, I think I might have a hard time drawing something so bony/unproportional (not that it's bad) now due to me studying anatomy more. I remember failing when I tried to draw him before lol xD

Glad you got him more how you imagined him now though! That's always a great feeling. I remember when Kaseiko finally clicked into place after so many doodles trying to get the right design down. ;u;

Sorry for the late response, been either too tired to reply, or busy with something else D':

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Vannjaren In reply to Kasaurus [2014-06-01 15:02:30 +0000 UTC]

Haha, I suppose so. And ah, I can see that... and you're right, she seems more docile or shy, being really strong wouldn't quite suit her...

Hehe, some traits of Vroen do echo my own a bit too... biiiig eyes, long sinewy neck(I call my own neck my "turkey neck" ), loooong tibia, angular appearance and long legs, long arms(long humerus in standard KD form), and I've got long fingers... echoed by his long narrow phalanges and long proximal metacarpals. (though his distal metacarpals are still moderately short in comparison). Pfft, I'm a bit gawky and awkward, so like how you couldn't bring yourself to make Kaseiko really strong, I couldn't bring myself to make Vroen look overly pretty, elegant or nicely in proportion... because my own proportions are a bit screwed. (all Krovens are still thin and slender, but the ratio of some of Vroen's propotions, like tibia to femur, is just a little bit odd compared to average Krovendrakk proportions, making him look a bit more lanky or awkward rather than overly elegant or sleek, giving a slightly less "harmonious" overall look to him. His movements can still be elegant though, just when he's standing still he looks rather gawky. :'D) Ha, I've GOTTA draw him lying down at some point, slightly curled up, because I can see it in my head and it's rather humorous... just a jumbled tangle of legs, tendons and tail.

Haha, thankyou. And yes, he is rather on the strange side, but that's just him, haha... plus I hope that people stop mistaking them for dogs or wolves because, just look at that guy - you ever seen a wolf look like that? I didn't think so. (but some people just don't seem to pick up on that. They're not canine-related, canine-based or canine-inspired... the only "doglike" qualities really are four legs, a tail, and hair... and even the legs, tail and hair in question aren't canine-like. :'D)
I won't lie when I say that, I love my species, and although I don't mind drawing them... from what I've heard, THEY'RE BUGGERS TO DRAW CORRECTLY! (so far nobody has drawn an accurate full-body drawing without one or even two redlines :'D MY BAD ^^
I'm familiar with their anatomy, but for anybody else, there are so many unique or unusual features that a lot of people give up and end up doing a headshot to cut out all the tricky bits.
Buuuut... I'm not going to change them, because that's how they're intended to be, and I'm a fan of weirdness, and prefer them to be more original and unusual - I'm not going to make them more normal, or more pretty and universally appealing, or easier to draw, because that's just how they are. :'D Besides, their origins are alien in part (could talk for a long time about how, but... don't have time right now because of silly exams), and I like that there's an alien look to their external appearance; some familiar traits, but clearly not purely terrestrial in origin and structure.

I'd prefer that most people thought "Eww, they're ugly!", and a FEW people liked them, understood them for what they were and appreciated their weirdness, rather than having lots of people think they were pretty but the actual creatures being more conventional and boring; haha, I've constructed rather odd critters, but never were they designed with the intention of looking pretty, they were designed more by drawing inspiration from evolution and biology, and my appreciation for quirks and strange adaptations... so many creatures are designed just to be attractive, haha, so although I didn't go down that route, I don't find it offensive if people find them ugly, since I can see why even if I don't think of them as ugly. They're not everyone's cup-of-tea, but I almost like that they don't have universal appeal... ha, maybe that's just strange of me, but meh.

And aww, I'm sure you've got more than enough talent to draw him correctly - and actually, studying anatomy should help... because so many structures are visible in Krovendraekk that would not be visible in other creatures(since Krovendraekk totally lack any body fat)... in other words, it's good to know the name, structure, function and position of each tendon, sinew, muscle, bone and vein, since you're probably gonna see it in a Krovendrakk unless it's buried under hair. (hurrhurr, their anatomy might be really strange and have "distorted" or strange proportions and some unique features, but a lot of structures, particularly muscles and tendons, are similar to those in existing creatures, if not the same - so it's more unusual and exaggerated/extreme anatomy, but not strictly speaking "incorrect" per se... whilst they do have some features not seen in other creatures, they do have some things in common, so increased understanding should in theory be helpful.)

I do suppose though that perhaps they'd be a bit out of your usual style... I've noticed you tend to draw the anatomy and designs of your creatures very smoooooth and sleek, with rounded, curvy shapes... and Krovens don't exactly gel with that, I'd admit. (your style and creatures are GORGEOUS of course, I can just see how that would make Krovendraekk more difficult to draw :'D)

And aww, you didn't FAIL, not at all! Your drawing was still beautiful, and the fur texture was FREAKIN' AMAZING! True though that the teeth, tongue, muzzle, snout, cheeks, eyes, head shape, neck shape and cheek and neck fur were... kinda off and didn't really look like Krovendrakk anatomy... but I'll blame myself for not having enough decent references, you weren't really to blame for those - lack of sufficient number of refs, and just blame my weirdo Krovens too for just being too darned tricky!

Hmm, I think really where most of the mistakes came from was that you seemed to have used canine anatomy for references and/or inspiration - major(but oddly common!) mistake with Krovendraekk, as they are not canines or related to them in any way, and they don't really have anything in common aside from the fact that both have fur. Head/cranial structure and dentition are totally different, as is skeletal structure... it's a commonly made confusion, not entirely sure why, but it happens, and I'm not frustrated by it since at least you get that they're not doggies. And besides, that drawing was done quite a while ago - and yes, it may have its flaws in that it's not really close to the species or character, BUT I still love it and always will because of the beautiful, wonderful and detailed colouring that I could NEVER do, and the overall atmosphere and mood of the piece was wonderful, and the detail that went into it was clear and amazing, so yes there are things which aren't quite right, BUT that doesn't matter too much because it was still amazing in lots of other ways, so don't feel bad about it, you did NOT fail! It was still better than anything I've ever drawn or could ever draw, even if it wasn't an accurate representation of the particular creature. Besides, I plan to make a sheet showing common mistakes and what they should look like instead for my Krovendraekk, so people can learn from it in future.

And aww, thankyou! <3 Haha, it did definitely feel good to finally see Vroenfael on-screen as he was meant to look in my head, with just those little touches that finished his design and made it click with my intentions. (ha, a hefty dose of added lankiness definitely helped out there, plus changing his tail texture was a tweak I never expected to work, but it completed him just perfectly, and made him a bit more distinctive as a character... plus it just looks stroke-worthy! )
And Kaseiko really has such a WONDERFUL design, I love her colourscheme to pieces too! *cuddles her* I bet that was a wonderful feeling when, almost SUDDENLY, there she was in all her awesome and adorable glory. <3

And no problem at all, I'm currently doing end of phase Medicine degree exams, so I understand the meaning of tired! :'D (ha, apologies for how long this message is... but sometimes when I'm panicked and stressed, I go into turbo-typing mode and fire out a giant message in no time without realising it, it makes no sense but it just seems to be what I do. )

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Kasaurus In reply to Vannjaren [2014-06-07 23:08:45 +0000 UTC]

That's great, I did intend for her to have a more docile/shy personality c:

Nice xD Kaseiko shares my hazel eyes and short arms/legs, and in a way, carpal tunnel (represented by the fire around the wrists)

And I think what makes Vroen seem more difficult for me anatomy-wise is the chest/ribcage, since in every fast animal I've ever seen, they have larger chests to support nice, healthy lungs. I just can't imagine large lungs to support running fast in that thin chest? o: 
The rest of the anatomy I might be able to handle, but I'm used to chests that at least go down to the elbows on any creature with 4 legs o:
I can see how learning anatomy and exaggerating it can help with the rest though. I would really like to study in depth anatomy and know the names and placements of all bones, tendons, veins/arteries/etc sometime, even if just for more common animals first.

But yeah, I kinda hate how some people have a mentality on this site that 'everything is wolf', I mean, I've had clearly labeled big cats that in no way looked like a wolf, even from the thumbnail put into 'wolf' favorites collections. I'd probably be pretty offended if anyone called Kaseiko a wolf, since there is actually very very little in her design that even looks remotely wolf/canine-like. O-o

I understand that though. Sometimes you may be viewed as strange for drawing things more strange, but in the end, originality can really be successful. I mean, look at the Alien movies and creatures like that and how successful they are, because they were fresh and different from the norm of a lot of creature movies (I mean, how many more horror movies can they make with snakes, sharks, and spiders?!?) So I say keep doing what you love no matter what anyone says <3

Thanks ;u; But yeah, I feel bad that I based it more on canine anatomy, maybe someday I can draw a correct one though xD

Of course <3 And yeah, I get those little changes that work too, I love when that happens! Sometimes you have a design you love and it looks good, but it just feels like something is missing, and you just can't put your finger on it, but when you find that thing and the whole thing fits into place, ahh that's fantastic ;u; 
Thanks again ;o; And yeah, she was definitely one of those moments. Just recently when I changed her horns to look more bull-like, that was yet another click I felt was right. I think her wings will be more vulture-like too, so I'll be having to make her another reference sheet sometime, hopefully after my current commissions are done, I can sit back a bit and focus on my characters some. Getting Kaseiko a new, more accurate ref sheet, and some others ref sheets as well that have been needing them badly.

Ah, nice, good luck with that! I get the feeling though, I usually seem to ramble on and type a lot more than I should sometimes too, mostly at night when I'm not thinking straight, or if I'm stressed/anxious or hyper. 

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Vannjaren In reply to Kasaurus [2014-06-08 22:28:32 +0000 UTC]

I APOLOGISE IN ADVANCE FOR THE SIZE OF THIS COMMENT, BUT I THOUGHT I MIGHT THROW IN A FEW MORE DETAILS ABOUT MY SPECIES... TURNING INTO QUITE A FEW DETAILS IN THE END, WHOOPS.

Haha, good... it suits her, and I can see it coming through in her appearance. Vroen... like myself... has a slightly odd personality. :'D

Aha, cool... I remembered the wrist fire was to do with your carpal tunnel. (urgh, I bet you must hate that stupid damned carpal flexor retinaculum. )
Ha, I've got overly long arms and legs, haha... I'm basically a "short person on stilts" is how I'd describe my build a bit. Oh yes, and a turkey neck. Don't forget the turkey neck. :'D

Ah yes, well I have a FREAKIN' GIGANTIC RAMBLING SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION as to that, but to save my fingers from typing too much, to save from boring you too much, and because of limited time, I'll give you a tiny, brief snippet and summary of said explanation to help understanding why Krovendraekk don't have enormous chests. (in fact, it's a species prerequisite that the chest must NEVER be as low as the elbow; there should always be clear and pronounced space between the lower margin of the sternum and the uppermost level of the olecranon process; even in the proportionally larger-chested Fjorhal clan of Scandinavia, the elbow must still be lower than the chest.)
But basically... I'm aware that their chests aren't as large as some other animals, but there are reasons why this is the case, as well as adaptations which mean this does not negatively affect their respiratory efficiency...

First off, I do have to state that not every fast animal has a chest that goes down to or past the elbows; Ibizan hounds nearly always have elbows going below the chest, as does the galgo espanol. As for width of chest, the azawakh is extremely narrow. Whilst these are all dog breeds, and Krovens aren't dogs, it does still demonstrate that chest-to-elbow is not a constant in the animal kingdom; indeed, even in horses some have elbows lower than the sternum; it can be individual variation or due to breed in many species, and also depends on the length of the humerus and scapula; a longer humerus and scapula will result in a lower elbow relative to the sternum even if the overall ribcage size is the same between two dogs/cats/etc, and also varies depending on the stance and degree of extension of the glenohumeral joint as well. (though of course you'll know this anyway and there's no point in me saying it really... I'm rambling again, aren't I?)

Also, whilst it may be a case of "huge chest=fast running"... this is a bit of an over-simplification, and isn't true for all animals...
Many racehorses have narrower and smaller chests than other breeds of horse, but are able to run fast and over long distances; one must also take into account the efficiency of the circulatory system(in this case, a larger heart), as well as the overall bulk that the lungs are required to supply.
Creatures with a less bulky frame do not require the same thoracic volume to supply their muscles and organs; which is why greyhounds often have larger chests than more finely built sighthounds... but this doesn't mean they can't still run almost as fast as greyhounds, or in some cases hypothetically faster but just not measured... azawakh can run in temperatures that would kill a greyhound, and can run for longer... perhaps not QUITE as fast, but still... extreme narrowness doesn't seem to affect them negatively.
Larger chests are also often more associated with endurance than pure speed, as plenty of creatures, mammalian and otherwise, with small chests can still reach high speeds, they just can't maintain them over as great a distance.

I would also say that it's important to remember that in most animals, when you're looking at the "chest", the apparent width, depth and length are also accentuated by the presence of flesh on top of the ribcage, making the apparent chest volume seem larger than it actually is. Thus, in Krovendraekk... the apparent volume of the chest is actually more representative of the true volume of the chest than in other creatures due to the elongated and flattened nature of their musculature. And so, basically, when you're looking at the chest from the outside, unlike in other animals where you'd have to consider the bulk of superficial flesh as well as other factors, the apparent volume of the chests of Krovendraekk could be considered to be almost entirely filled by the heart and lungs; and in proportion to the rest of their internal organs, this does make up a large proportion of their internal body cavity.

Whilst I would agree that, if Krovendraekk were mammals with bodies that functioned in the same way as mammals, the chest might allow for sprinting but might be too small for any prolonged exertion. BUT... Krovendraekk aren't mammals... and this is where we come into a bit of their physiology here... One of the main, and rather easy misconceptions(they ARE covered in fur, afterall), is when people tend to "think mammal" with them a bit too much(even with the lengths of their bodies and their head structure etc.)... their anatomy isn't the same, and wouldn't function effectively if it was; a lot of their features are different and serve as adaptations and explanations, but may not be externally obvious. Sometimes it's a good idea to remember that they ARE partly alien in origin, and so have some features and workings which are alien in nature. Often when someone sees something as "wrong", it's wrong because they're comparing them by using standard mammals as a baseline for this comparison, and I can understand that and see why, and endeavour to explain the confusion as best I can.

I'll try and keep this as brief as possible but I'm not very good at summarising things, sorry.

One thing I must underline is that tidal volume is actually much more important than total thoracic capacity. You see, in a human with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, they have a larger thoracic volume than a normal human, but have a smaller tidal volume as they cannot exhale as fully. The same as in restrictive lung defects where there is a defect that prevents a normal tidal volume(although the chest is smaller). In both cases, it is not the size of the chest, but the ability of the chest to expand and contract, which influences respiratory sufficiency.

With mammals, the ribcage is fairly rigid, consisting of the ribs attached by chondral cartilage to the sternum, allowing for a degree of movement of the ribcage, assisted of course as well by the diaphragm which helps to further enlarge thoracic volume on inspiration.

But with Krovendraekk, as you could see here:  vannjaren.deviantart.com/art/A…  (two different clans but both show this feature -in fact, these are the Renvor and Kårstatt clan respectively; Vroen is a hybrid of these two races), they have jointed ribs. In all clans this is a feature; the joint does not add massive range of movement, but it does still further increase the flexibility and thus the degree to which the chest volume can be altered; i.e. they can exhale and inhale to a greater volume difference than a mammal of the same resting chest volume would be capable of.
The Kårstatt clan may seem to have particularly narrow chests, but you'll also see that their ribs are held at a much more acute angle than the other clans (this rib angulation is one of their hallmark features), but their rib joints have a much greater range of movement, allowing for much greater exhalation, and also greater inhalation, so although they have a smaller chest volume they can achieve an elevated tidal volume - this would result in hypocapnia in standard activity levels, but the flexibility of the ribs isn't relied upon as greatly under normal physiological circumstances, only in greater levels of exertion.

But as I was saying, this allows for a much greater RELATIVE expansion of the chest compared to the original volume than seen in the comparatively rigid chests of mammals, and even more so than in other clans - and Vroen, though a hybrid of the two clans, is closest in body type to Kårstatt, although his face is definitely more Renvor in appearance. The jointed, angled ribs allow for a more pronounced longitudinal and anteroposterior expansion during sprinting, but the joints do not have much of an effect on lateral expansion; which is indeed beneficial as streamlining is maintained whilst still allowing for a greater tidal volume. (indeed, the flexibility of their ribcage also enables better shock absorptions from blows, and even allows them to partially collapse their ribcage to slip through narrow crevasses and gaps)

Another adaptation present in Krovendraekk but not in mammals is a large-diameter, highly vascularised trachea suitable for gaseous exchange. The trachea is larger in diameter in Krovendraekk than in mammals; this also serves in Krovendraekk to decrease turbulence of airflow, and along with the greater muscular control over thoracic volume, enables a higher FEV1/FVC ratio.
But the major benefit of this is increased membranous surface area; as I said earlier, their trachea is highly vascular... but it's not quite as simple as that. Under normal conditions, the numberous and branching capillary network is physiologically "shunted" by means of precapillary sphincters restricting blood flow, and redirecting it elsewhere... but with high adrenaline levels associated with sprinting, adrenoceptor activation results in relaxation of the vascular smooth muscle and precapillary sphincters, allowing blood to enter this network...
The membrane of the trachea is moistened by secretions to facilitate gas exchange, and membranes can be surprisingly efficient at gas exchange; indeed, the lungless salamanders rely entirely on the diffusion of oxygen through their moist skin, and live without lungs. But yes... the capillary network of a Krovendrakk's trachea is highly branched and very superficial, to increase surface area and decrease diffusion distances(oh Fick's law, how I love thee... ).
This enables the transfer of a large amount of oxygen across the trachea directly to the blood supply, so effectively, the lungs aren't the only structure which supply oxygen; the tracheal epithelium also provides a large "hit" of oxygen, unlike in mammals and other vertebrates.
Under standard conditions, as I said, this is not used and the lungs alone are the site of gas exhange, but under exertion the tracheal epithelial mechanism also comes into play. It also helps that their necks aren't exactly what you'd describe as "short" - indeed, all mammals have seven cervical vertebrae but Krovendraekk have twelve, and twelve fairly long ones at that. :'D

Another point is that Krovendraekk aren't exactly what you'd call "bulky", and so they don't have enormous oxygen demands for their size. Furthermore, they do have some different energy storage mechanisms that slightly reduce their reliance on aerobic metabolism when under demand. Also, they do have some internal mechanisms which serve to amplify the power produced by muscular contraction and maximise efficiency; these mechanisms do not require oxygen, thus serving as a further slight reduction in total proportional oxygen demand.

The proportions of Krovendraekk, being so unusual, are sometimes deceptive when you look at them. One thing I would say is when you noticed that the ribcage didn't go to the elbow, and was small relative to total body length... sometimes with Krovens it may seem as though something is reduced in size, but it's actually surrounding structures which are elongated.
Krovendraekk have very long scapulae, and an elongated humerous; these parts of the forelimbs may seem shorter than the rest, but that's because the radioulnar regions, carpals and metacarpals are also elongated; hence, with the increased length of scapula and humerus, the elbow is significantly lower; indeed, the ribcage still has twelve ribs and twelve thoracic vertebrae - one less than a dog, and the same as in humans; it is the great increase in the lumbar spine which makes the ribcage appear so much shorter; Vroen has about four times the number of lumbar vertebrae as a dog, and over five times that of a man.
The narrowness of the ribcage and the level of the elbow are intentional, to allow for a greater freedom and range of motion of the shoulder. Furthermore, their bodies are long, serpentine and flexible; a large or bulky ribcage would impact this in a negative way, hence the aforementioned adaptations to more than compensate for this.
There are some small disadvantages to this however; a lower thoracic volume and smaller FRC does mean that they're less buoyant, and so are not good at swimming; capable, but not good at it. The Kårstatt clan though are very poor swimmers, having small, narrow chests to decrease buoyancy, but they also have narrow bodies with low surface area, but high muscle density; the only reason they can manage to swim at all is just brute force from the strokes of the legs, but they do struggle with swimming, and indeed this is one reason why most are terrified of deep water. (not the only reason though, more on that on the ref hopefully...)

Because of the length of their bodies, as visceral organs tend to have compressable air within them, because most creatures have shorter bodies, the degree to which their internal contents can be longitudinally compressed is relatively lower than in Krovendraekk; their diaphragms are therefore able to flatten to a greater degree than in mammals, so their inspiratory volume is increased; this is an internal mechanism of course and there are no external clues as to this feature; it doesn't result in a massive increase in volume, only a small one... but when taken into consideration with the previous features it does make a contribution.

Urgh, that didn't stay short, did it? Told you I wasn't good at summarising things. :'D Ha, I AM a bit of a noob and an idiot of course and probably don't even know a thousandth as much about animal biology as you do and likely sound like a complete and utter moron with no knowledge of anything scientific whatsoever, but hopefully my snippets(rather long snippets admittedly ) of explanation do go some way as to explaining their morphology, since I like to think that I've thought about it enough, haha... they do have a lot of strange features, I'll acknowledge that and it's deliberate, but each of their unusual features does have biological reasoning and hypotheses behind it...or at least according to my one solitary brain cell anyway. :'D

Haha, Vann knows all the bones, tendons, muscles, arteries, veins(and organs... think I want to draw a sheet on the internal organs of Krovendraekk some day, possibly) of her species(and other species, even if they're rather different... haha, including man of course... the species I've dissected quite a bit :'D)... but then that's because Vann's a nerd. An idiot fail nerd at that too, I'm sure you already must know far more than I do, haha, without even realising it. I guess it would be helpful, but it's not essential either so long as you know enough to portray things accurately, which you clearly already do, far more so than myself. But the truth is that most of those structures are simply invisible on common animals or normal creatures, so you don't need to know all of them, you just need to know the BITS YOU CAN SEE... which you obviously do. Krovens though generally have a lot more showing because of their elongated frame and complete lack of adipose tissue.
Haha, I've been sorely tempted to do revised anatomical drawings of my species with EVERYTHING drawn and labelled, but I think that might be just a bit of a waste of my already limited time, ha... besides, I already have the skeletons drawn and updated as you can see from the above link, the muscles would be ok to draw but all those fiddly little tendons and damned retinaculi and aponeuroses would be awkward and would take a lot of time, as would arteries and veins... so I think perhaps I'll just leave it to the organs since people are curious about those, and besides, a lot of the muscles, tendons etc. are mostly visible from the outside anyway. I'd rather spend the other time drawing my beloved, yet so often neglected, characters. <3

Yes, I completely agree with you - so many creatures which clearly aren't canines keep getting put into Wolf collections, it definitely does seem to be the case that anything with four legs and hair is assumed to be a wolf or dog, even things which are clearly 100% feline.
And yes, I'd agree there... I will admit that I find it a bit offensive when someone mistakes my Krovendraekk for wolves when they don't have one single bit of canine anatomy anywhere. I think Kaseiko's horns and monkey-like tail along with her short legs do help though to stop people thinking she's a wolf or dog... though I can see why some people might think she's a sort of cat, but then she DOES at least have some features of feline anatomy.
Haha, I once had a person who was convinced that my Krovendraekk "looked like thylacines". What the heck?!? I even told them WHY they weren't like thylacines and gave them a longish message to explain some of the MANY differences, but they still went away thinking they looked like thylacines; in conclusion, I have three options: 1) The person was a troll. 2) They don't actually know what a thylacine looks like. 3) They need to get their eyes tested or learn a bit about animals, or both.

Ha, yes indeed - and I agree with you there, original movie beasts are the best. <3 I personally like the weirdness of my Krovendraekk, so although some might find it ugly, I don't mind because they weren't made to be pretty, and I won't change them to make them that way. Also, thankyou for the words of encouragement there.

Aww, don't feel bad - it was still a beautiful drawing anyway, and at least you know now that they're not canine... besides, I didn't have enough good refs up then so it's as much my fault as anything too. :'D But yes, they're most certainly not canine - indeed, their heads are actually more like a mix of crocodilian and feline than canine; they technically speaking AREN'T A DIRECT MIX OF ANYTHING but I'd use that analogy just to show people that they're not canine, the first description is closer. But yes, I DO intend to make a sort of "Do's and Don't's sheet for them to show how to avoid and/or correct common mistakes.

Ah, yes, that definitely is a good feeling - I just hope I get some clicks like those with some of my other characters, and with Vroen's metallic parts, ha... still putting off redesigning those. ^^ ;
You're very welcome, and ahhh, vulture wings sound cool! I can't help but think though that harpy eagle-type wings would suit her too, especially since she seems like a forest-dwelling creature and shortish, broad and powerful wings would look good too, I suppose it's a matter of just what suits her best, but vulture wings do sound nice. Speaking of wings, haha, Vroen's wings are similar in shape to those of a Red Kite... at least they are for now unless I decide to change them again.

And aww, thankyou - and ha, glad somebody else gets the same hyper-typer thing when stressed, at least I'm not the only one! :'D

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Kasaurus In reply to Vannjaren [2014-08-08 04:45:53 +0000 UTC]

AND I'M REALLY SORRY ABOUT HOW LATE THIS IS OMG. It has not felt that long, it's been so busy lately ;n; It's still busy, but I'm on a mission now to finally get my inbox cleaned out at least. 

Yeah, her personality would probably be close to mine too. Pretty introverted and not very talkative except with friends, interests some might consider odd (like skulls and stuff lol)
I'm also short, so that's why she has pretty short legs xD

Oh, ok. The 'elongated' bones makes more sense to me than a minimized chest, thanks for that. I do realize they are more alien than anything else, it was just one of those things in my head that bothered me due to only knowing things a certain way. I try to have an open mind though, so I can accept that description, I see you put a lot of thought into it. 

I think you might be over-estimating my knowledge a bit though cx While I have studied in my own way.. bones and ways muscles move, it's mostly a visual knowledge, and a constant thing at that. I'm always trying to learn a bit more about anatomy a little at a time. I don't know many of the scientific terms for things though. I really need to get on that sometime. I've just always been more of a visual-knowledge type person, don't know many terms, but I can tell things apart after seeing/studying them a few times and drawing them myself helps.  
You call yourself a noob, but then list all of those things you know, that's no small feat, and you should be more proud of the anatomy you do know! I bet it really helps things a lot more. You could seriously get a scientific illustrator job with that knowledge if you wanted to.

Wow, thylacine, really? xD I guess they could only make that mistake since very few people have actually seen one alive, and idk if anyone that's seen one is still alive now or not, but they're probably not on dA haha. But even so, calling them thylacines is a stretch for sure. So many differences x.x

Thanks ;u; And a do's and don't's sheet would be nice for them too.

I know the feeling, I'm still trying to redesign some characters too. Recently I've been messing around with Hallow's design (does anyone remember him? haha), and I don't know whether to keep it as a different form of him or his final design, but I actually like where I'm going with it actually. o': Ender might be next to get a ref too (I've already drawn her a few times, yet she still doesn't have a ref oops), either one of those two, depending on who's I get the motivation to finish their ref first.   
She does hang out in the forest a lot, I haven't thought about how difficult flying between trees would be, but aethetically, I think griffon vulture type wings look best on her, and they're even the 3 toned colors I wanted for them. And she can be lazy and hover in the sky on air vents too sometimes. xD I wonder if there's a way to mix wing anatomy between vulture and eagle, to make it both suitable for flying on air vents lazily, and not crashing into trees lol. Though, I guess that could be another character quirk too "loves trees and forests, but always seems to have a hard time landing and taking off among the trees" XD

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Vannjaren In reply to Kasaurus [2014-08-08 17:44:51 +0000 UTC]

No problem at all, and ha, it doesn't seem that long to me either - been busy myself too since I'm not sure if you know, but between University semesters I got a job working as a co-author on a cancer research article, so BUSYBUSYBUSY.
But thankyou very much for replying anyway! ^^

Ha, yes, Vroen's personality is basically my own as well - including his obsession with dissecting dead specimens(of multiple species), and his morbid fascination with death and disease, and of course his love of metal. *as well as slightly more pleasant character traits :'D)
And aww, I'm sure you're not that short... I consider myself short though, I'm somewhere around 5ft 7, but I'm not sure if I feel short because I actually am, or because I tend to make friends with abnormally tall people. Or both. 
Vroen's proportions though are obviously within the parameters of his species, and his genetics considering he's a Renvor-Kårstatt dual phenotype... but he's a lanky beggar because even though I'm not tall, I have very long arms and legs for my height, and I'm basically a tall person in miniature when it comes to my build.

And no problem - I'm no good at all at explaining the science in my head, but hopefully that does help make sense of them - I do agree that with Krovens, sometimes it's best not to think of one part as being shrunken, but to perhaps consider the adjacent parts as being stretched or enlarged... seems a better way of putting things, but yes, their limbs and bodies are very elongated which does perhaps give the impression of the chest being reduced in size, but together with their metabolisms, bone structure and movement, FEV1/FVC rations and respiratory adaptations, there's enough going on to explain why their chest volume isn't larger... so I'm glad that explanation makes sense, since although things make sense in my head, they don't always make sense when I try to type them up. :'D

Aww, I don't think I did overestimate your knowledge... it's easily dozens of times better than mine, of course... though that's not hard I suppose. :'D
And you don't need to know the names of things so long as you can draw them, and you certainly can - and a visual knowledge is actually far better to have, since actually knowing the placements and connections of things isn't quite the same as how you'd draw them, since it's a more "flat" and "static" picture in your head, and doesn't fully represent the way things change, move and flow as the creature funtions, so a knowledge of how things look and move is far more useful for drawings. ^^
Heh, I AM a total n00b though - whilst I DO know a good bit more than what I said to you in that message(which I TRIED to keep brief and failed miserably at doing), I still feel like I barely know anything at all, and don't feel much better than a three year old that's just managed to master the fact that dogs and cats have four legs and birds have two.

Ha, no way, I don't know nearly enough to be a scientific illustrator, and even if I did I'm nowhere near good enough at drawing, so that's a nope I'm afraid. (though I do intend to perhaps illustrate some more Krovendrakk anatomy diagrams... old ones on the ref sheet look ugly but I don't want to re-do the whole ref sheet again, so I may well just do isolated diagrams of things instead ^^ If I ever get free time again. )

Yes, really! And I thought that too at first... so I explained to this person what a thylacine actually looks like, and explained why they are nothing at all like Krovendraek... but even AFTER that, they said "still looks like a thylacine to me". Friggin' idiot... was probably a troll or something. I terminated the conversation at that point before I'd say something I regretted.

You're welcome... and that's something I think I'd like to do... and would probably help people out too with any confusion, as well as those that might want to draw them.

Yeah - and yes, I remember him - look forward to seeing him again! <3 And either one would be great to see... just depend on which one begs for attention the most. :'D
Ah yes, they do indeed look lovely... and I'm sure she'd have ways of working around that - perhaps, even though she spends most of her time in the forest, she doesn't fly when in the forest... and only flies in more open spaces. That could work... and that's true, it could always be a quirk of hers, might be quite interesting to have it that way! ^^
I'm sure she'll look lovely whatever you do with her wings.

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WingedAyalis In reply to Vannjaren [2014-06-03 12:41:01 +0000 UTC]

OMG I think it's the longer comment I've ever seen  
How can you write so much things? Teach me please, Master!   
And sorry for enter in your conversation ^^'

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Vannjaren In reply to WingedAyalis [2014-06-03 12:48:13 +0000 UTC]

Haha, really?
BECAUSE THAT'S NOTHING. :'D

Honestly, though, that's tiny compared to what I've been known to write... sometimes in comments between myself and my closest friends on the internet, such as discussing our species, characters and stories... many of my comments are in the region of 10,000 words... longer than most University dissertations.

Ha, no need to apologise though, it's rather funny really. Usually when I type long comments, or long descriptions on drawings, I expect to hear the distant hoofbeats of a herd of teal dear approaching... So it's actually quite nice that somebody appreciates long comments. :'D

Plus when I'm a bit stressed, for some reason I tend to type more quickly, so I feel like it's a small comment when I'm writing it, then later find out that it wasn't small at all.

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WingedAyalis In reply to Vannjaren [2014-06-07 10:14:39 +0000 UTC]

Wow really?  Humm... I think you're half-human, half-something else... A real human doesn't/can't do it XD
Yes, I like long comments, it's always a pleasure to see that some people take time to comment your drawing and to critique them. And it helps to improve! And I admire people who write them because I can't do it
(And I hope the things you're stressed for will going well ^^) (And I hope this sentence is understandable) (Sorry for my bad english ^^')

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Vannjaren In reply to WingedAyalis [2014-06-07 10:31:47 +0000 UTC]

Haha, yes really.
That would make sense for so many reasons... I've often suspected I wasn't completely human. :'D

Haha, it does... and I also just like long conversations... ha, it reaffirms what's left of my limited faith in humanity when people on the internet can actually engage in conversations lasting longer than "ok" or "lol".

And aww, thankyou very much. And your English isn't bad at all, don't worry about that! <3

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WingedAyalis In reply to Vannjaren [2014-06-07 16:42:16 +0000 UTC]

Ahah I also think it (this? that? I never know how to say it -_-') sometimes. I'm not the only one! XD

Yes, I totally agree ^^ It's difficult to have a real conversation on the internet.
But it's not always easy to speak with someone you don't know... You don't know what to say

You're welcome ^^ I hate being stressed, it's a very bad feeling.

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Vannjaren In reply to WingedAyalis [2014-06-07 17:44:07 +0000 UTC]

Haha, to help with your English, it's a bit strange, but you'd actually say "I also think so sometimes". (although "this" could work too.)

Ha, I think so too... I think most of it is because so many people on the internet aren't willing to use full sentences or take the time to engage with others, and some are just lazy.

That can be true, but at least on the internet, and in terms of art, sometimes it's easier to find a common subject to talk about, even to make friends with people eventually.

Thanks, and it is indeed a horrible feeling... and ha, second year medical degree exams DEFINITELY cause a lot of stress.

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Nyte-thyme [2014-05-24 02:19:42 +0000 UTC]

AH. You drew herrr. She looks so cuteeee~

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Kasaurus In reply to Nyte-thyme [2014-05-24 02:25:00 +0000 UTC]

I did ;u; I'm a terrible person, I need to love my characters and draw them more often /sobs
Thanks <3

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Watonzon [2014-05-24 02:18:47 +0000 UTC]

Daw I love how you draw the neck and her cute sleepy face

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Kasaurus In reply to Watonzon [2014-05-24 02:25:11 +0000 UTC]

Thank you! c:

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Watonzon In reply to Kasaurus [2014-05-24 02:37:09 +0000 UTC]

No problem. 

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pork-chops [2014-05-24 02:15:05 +0000 UTC]

nigel:This is the kaseiko. he's pretty bad ass. Look at that sleepy fuck.

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Kasaurus In reply to pork-chops [2014-05-24 02:16:22 +0000 UTC]

?
It's a she xD

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pork-chops In reply to Kasaurus [2014-05-24 02:28:06 +0000 UTC]

SHE'S PRETTY BAD ASS*

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Kasaurus In reply to pork-chops [2014-05-24 02:33:36 +0000 UTC]

Thank you haha 

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