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Description Let's see how Goku, Vegeta, Bulma and Chichi are a good comparison and a precedent for Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura and Hinata.

A. Naruto = Goku.
1. A main male character.
2. Goofy, clueless, never giving up, always the one to save the day when truly needed.
3. An orphan.
4. A survivor of a once-mighty group that got destroyed (Uzumaki/Saiyan).
5. Trained by a world-famous super-strong pervert (Jiraiya/Roshi).
6. Learns his teacher's trademark attack (Rasengan/Kamehameha).
7. Has a secret animalistic ability that gets eventually mastered (Kyuubi/Oozaru, Goku tamed the Golden Oozaru to become SSJ4).
8. Gets a golden-colored Super-mode later on (Kyuubi/SSJ).
9. Makes or tries making his enemies into friends (made Zabuza cry, made Pain revive people, made Gaara his actual friend/Tenshinhan, Piccolo, Vegeta).

B. Sasuke = Vegeta.
1. A second main male character (Vegeta becomes one later in DBZ).
2. Arrogant, spooky, evil aura, easy to get annoyed.
3. An avenger of his destroyed clan/race (Uchiha/Saiyan).
4. Misguided about who actually killed them (Itachi, when it rather was Danzo's idea and Obito's help/initially thought it was an asteroid), but then hated and avenged or tried avenging the true villain (killed Danzo, now came to avenge Itachi/tried killing Frieza, unsuccessfully).
5. Pretended to be under some villain's rule, only to betray him later on (killed Orochimaru/only joined Babidi for power to fight Goku, but tried killing Buu later on).
6. Was the main guy's enemy/rival/friend, in either order (both ended up as rivals & friends so far).

C. Sakura = Bulma.
1. A main female character (Bulma was in DB).
2. Officially book-smart (best student/outright genius).
3. Noisy and brash, far from being polite, has a "normal" family.
4. A weak fighter (kept being fight-useless until well into the series/never was a fighter).
5. Fell in love with the main guy's rival (initially fell for Sasuke/eventually, some time after Vegeta was introduced).
6. Kept loving him despite him being an enemy (still shows signs of loving Sasuke/fell in love when Vegeta was still untrustworthy).
7. (UPDATED) Actually, MARRIES that guy!

D. Hinata = Chichi.
1. A major secondary female character (has equal importance to Bulma in DBZ, both becoming rather secondary).
2. Very polite, slightly shy, easily blushing (young Chichi is).
3. A princess of sorts (a clan heir, (UPDATED) Byakugan Princess/literally, Ox King's daughter).
4. A somewhat good fighter for a female (at least trained in Juuken, which is a strong style/managed to actually fight Goku).
5. Has a childhood crush on the main guy, which he's oblivious to (same for both).
6. Confesses her feelings during an important arc/event (Pain fight/tournament involving Piccolo).
7. (UPDATED) Actually, MARRIES the main guy!
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Koshej In reply to ??? [2017-12-31 14:13:55 +0000 UTC]

That's rather secondary, and Chichi is clearly an idiot for thinking that Gohan's studies take precedence over saving the world from evils like Cell.
Hinata was never so stupid as to think that her kids should be civilians - I bet that even Himawari will become a kunoichi eventually, especially since she has the Byakugan.
As of Naruto and Goku - I never liked either of them precisely for how little they care for their families.
Goku is an utter shit in this context (only Sasuke is WORSE than him, if at all), but Naruto could spend more CLONES on his family as well.

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AnonKunx [2015-10-05 11:18:47 +0000 UTC]

LMFAO. Naruto is inspired by Goku? He's just another cheap, and generic MC you find in your typical Shonen manga. Shonen mangaka are often asked to use the goofball archetype for MC 'cause it's proven a popular formula. If anything, Luffy from One Piece is much closer to Goku in characterization than freaking Naruto Uzumaki. They don't give a damn about what other people's opinions of them are, they're emotionally índependent, both of their mangaka subvert “recognition”. The Saiyans prefer to lead an anonymous life, they don't care for recognition, so Toriyama created a humorous character Mr. Satan who stole all credit from Goku and his friends. Similarly, while it's Luffy who did most of the things against the World Government, Usopp would often be the one whose bounty grew, it's a running joke.

Naruto is a cheap populist “hero” 'cause he's chiefly motivated by recognition, and there're lot of people who care more about recognition than heroism. He's not even heroic like Goku or Luffy, he has no moral qualms about human experiments or slavery or kids being used for war. He defended some mercenaries against other mercenaries who wore different headbands, he let Orochimaru off the hook in Gaiden instead of holding him captive when he experimented on babies, he easily forgave Obito and callled him the  “coolest guy” for wanting to become Hokage himself when he was Naruto's age despite being the cause of all atrocities in the series. He's just a disgrace of a Shonen hero.

Also, are you making the comparison to show how terrible Sakura and Hinata are? If anything, Sakura and Hinata are actually the exact opposite of them in any way.

Chichi: Gohan was always very respectful of his mother, even when there’re enemies, he wanted to do his homework and study, he didn't want to upset his mother

Hinata: Boruto smashed his sister's cake in front of Hinata like she’s just the maid in the house, and Hinata just pulled a puppy face like she's waiting for someone else to sort out her son for her

Bulma: When we saw her with baby Trunks in the Cell saga, Vegeta already moved out. Bulma couldn't care less if he wanted to stick around, she's just enjoying her motherhood.

Sakura: Cries after Sasuke always, acts like her happiness entirely depends on his presence.

Kishimoto just liked to make them pathetic, be it on the battlefield, in romance, as a mother or at anything. Toriyama loved Bulma, even when the series changed from adventures to all about fights, he let Bulma play an important role in the Cell arc, she made tthe Time Machine and the cure to Goku's heart disease. Kishimoto doesn't like his characters anymore like he used to back then, every single recent interview featuring him, are him talking smack about either Sakura or Hinata.

If there's anyone who comes as close to Bulma in characterization, that's Nami from One Piece, not Sakura freaking Haruno. 

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DarkNavareWise In reply to AnonKunx [2016-02-02 02:52:49 +0000 UTC]

the true Bulma and Chichi is Nami and Boa Hancocks....Sakura and Hinata is just knock-off rip-off version of them thank to kishimoto bullshit.

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Sharmila18 In reply to AnonKunx [2015-12-10 10:50:34 +0000 UTC]

Naruto is greatest hero and Bulma is useless

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Sharmila18 In reply to AnonKunx [2015-12-10 10:49:57 +0000 UTC]

Naruto is a good hero and Bulma is useless

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Koshej In reply to AnonKunx [2015-10-06 17:54:45 +0000 UTC]

I never said they were COPIES, lol.
I dislike a lot about Naruto and Narutoverse, but DBZverse isn't much better, aside from the fights (and even that is questionable).

The Hinata I always focus on, is the one from the actual manga - not fillers, not anime, not even "canon" movies.
THAT Hinata is actually very much BETTER than Chichi as far as her plot role goes - though she still IS Chichi's opposite in character, thus she does have a few "overly shy" moments that (might) look dumb.
Still - overall better than Chichi as far as the MAIN STORY goes.

And I like Bulma NOT for being a (somewhat) single mother - that's a BAD trait (which Sakura actually happens to COPY, loool).
I like how she is a real GENIUS, who created the freaking TIME MACHINE, instead.
THAT is where Sakura - SUCKS (as a COPY, lol).

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JohnPeacekeeper [2015-04-16 12:08:33 +0000 UTC]

Nice comparison

Although the one thing that probably sets Hinata apart from ChiChi is, being one of the three inheritors of the Ootsutsuki chakra, she's probably now the third most powerful character (and MOST powerful woman) in the world; while thanks to the presence of Android 18 and Videl, ChiChi is just the 3rd strongest woman but can't fight side-by-side with Goku anymore, physically anyway

On a side note, maybe make another comparison to spread when Boruto comes out, and we see if he's gonna be a Gohan parallel of sorts? At least we already know Sarada is a tsundere.

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dhochoy In reply to JohnPeacekeeper [2015-04-24 03:52:32 +0000 UTC]

Chi-Chi is actually far stronger than Videl. She was a master of the derivative Turtle School style which is to break the normal human boundaries, breezed her way through the preliminary rounds of the 23rd Budokai (back when the Tenkaichi Budokai actually meant something), and was fast and strong enough to have a Match level Weighted Goku frantically avoid her attacks (he even made a few surprised reactions when she attacked). Roshi (a moon-buster) was even impressed by her power and skill, while Videl is a relatively ordinary human apart from her ability of flight.

Not to mention the WSJ power charts has her rivaling Roshi in BP (her's was 130 while Roshi's base is 139 22nd Budokai and following) and we know what Roshi can do to Videl... so by natural ability and skill, Chi-Chi is indeed the strongest while #18/Lazuli is the strongest woman overall.

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JohnPeacekeeper In reply to dhochoy [2015-04-24 14:39:16 +0000 UTC]

Hmm... that's a pretty good analysis. So really the only thing Videl has over CHi-Chi is chi manipulation huh?

And in retrospect... yeah, CHi-chi even managed to withstand a Super Saiyan blow... which now that you think about it is pretty damn impressive

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dhochoy In reply to JohnPeacekeeper [2015-04-25 00:51:23 +0000 UTC]

Chi manipulation is primarily used to surpass the limitations of the human body so with that in mind I would conjecture Chi-Chi has a better grasp of it than Videl considering the latter only learned it order to fly and never went through the special training that others have.

Chi-Chi surviving a Super Saiyan blow isn't in the manga but she did survive being slapped (accidentally) through a wall, a tree, and in a boulder headfirst at highspeeds by a Goku who's PL's like over 3,000,000 with only minor injuries.  

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Koshej In reply to dhochoy [2015-09-24 18:20:44 +0000 UTC]

Sorry for a late answer.
Thanks for adding points.

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JohnPeacekeeper In reply to dhochoy [2015-04-25 04:47:03 +0000 UTC]

Looked through those chapters and episodes again... huh, you're right about that... so in the end ChiChi just never bothered to learn how to fly even  if she'd have no problem XD

Also update: Bolt is now far more skilled (no word yet on whether he inherited a substantial enough amount of controllable Kurama chakra) than his own dad at pre-Genin age and is a prodigy himself.

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Koshej In reply to JohnPeacekeeper [2015-09-24 18:20:24 +0000 UTC]

Sorry for being late to see this.
Thanks.

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hercudite [2014-12-22 09:59:49 +0000 UTC]

naruto and dbz fan here. haha

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Koshej In reply to hercudite [2014-12-22 12:50:02 +0000 UTC]

OK.

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rzerox21xx [2014-11-09 05:01:31 +0000 UTC]

well did you read the manga ending this week, it basically proved the DBZ Naruto Parallels right

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Koshej In reply to rzerox21xx [2014-11-09 09:05:14 +0000 UTC]

It feels good to have shipped the ships that MADE SENSE to begin with, ya know.

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Tsuki222 [2014-10-26 11:32:42 +0000 UTC]

Interesting stuff, and when you think about  it, the Uchiha are more similar to Saiyans. Although Hashirama's flashback proved that the Senju are also quite brutal. Although Toriyama confimed that it was a more lust based relationship between Vegeta and Bulma, until Trunks was born. Also, Bulma, while not much of fighter, had allways more impact on the fight and plot than Sakura, from building the Dragon Ball Radar, to the Time Mashine and the Blutz Wave Generator. What is interesting, it seems that Kishimoto created Hinata very early , even before Sasuke and Sakura.
I allways tough that Sasuke may be partly inspired by Kazuya Mishima,who also had a troubled, antagonistic relationship with a family member Heihachi, his father, like Sakuke had with Itachi. Both Kazuya and Sasuke started as antiheroic, and later fell into evil(Sasuke is now a complex case, resembling more Kazuya's son Jin in personality and goals). And both had a winged demonic super stransformation. But again, it is confimed that Kazuya himself is partly inspired by Vegeta...

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Koshej In reply to Tsuki222 [2014-10-26 16:58:00 +0000 UTC]

First, I think you missed this:
koshej.deviantart.com/art/Hina…

Second, there's quite some Hinata in Xiaoyou too.

Third, YAY!!!

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Tsuki222 In reply to Koshej [2014-10-26 20:01:10 +0000 UTC]

Hmm, with Hinata and Xiaoyu it's more complex, as she first appeared in Tekken 3(published in 1997). So it's possible that Xiaoyu inspired Hinata a bit, but Hinata's development inspired the development of Xiaoyu's personality. Such stuff tends to go a full circle. The Sactevania series inspired Devil May Cry, but the PS2 instalments of Castlevania(Lament of Innocence, and Curse of Darkness), took many elements from the Devil May Cry series. 
Also, this all makes Lars Alexandersson's apperance in Ultimate Ninja Storm 2 more ironic.

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Koshej In reply to Tsuki222 [2014-10-26 21:32:57 +0000 UTC]

I didn't mean actual character inspiration-wise.
And I think I kinda said it wrong, cause it's really complex.
I meant that Xiaoyu is also a girl in love with a "bad guy" - but she's clearly NOT Sakura-to-Sasuke (simply cause Sakura hasn't DONE anything to turn Sasuke good, she merely tried whining (not a misprint) him back or outright stopping his progression towards darkness; neither was a truly LIGHT-directed action), because she actually TRIES to help him become GOOD.
The best moment I remember, was her (well, FAILED) time travel attempt to save him from his childhood trauma by Heihachi (must be some game ending, I guess).
Sakura hasn't ever done anything even remotely involved.
Thus, Hinata comes to my mind - as a girl who also tries to HELP her love in dire times, even if this time it's not HIM who is the EVIL source (like it is the case with Jin).
Like I said - too complicated.

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Tsuki222 In reply to Koshej [2014-10-27 07:34:14 +0000 UTC]

Well with Sakura, the prolem is that Kishi really screwed up her character development after the fight with Sasori. I mean, during both confrontations in Orochimaru's lair and the Kage summit, Sakura seemigly forgets she can have super strenght, or most other things she learned durring the three years. I mean, she really could prepare some poison, or substance that Sasuke or anyone else cannot have an inmunity(like an completely new compound), or even a virus or cancerogenic substance. It's especialy jarring, as Sakura was shows as very skilled with poisons, when she healed Kankuro. Not to mention, she almost gone back to her early part one mentality about Sasuke.
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And I actualy like Sakura, so I'm angry that Kishi handled her so poorly, especialy since 2009...

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Koshej In reply to Tsuki222 [2014-10-27 18:30:54 +0000 UTC]

Well, Sakura was bound to NOT kill Sasuke for obvious reasons.
But her overall behavior in that Arc was AWFUL, starting with the idiotic needless Failfession...

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Tsuki222 In reply to Koshej [2014-10-27 19:15:46 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, but at least Kishomoto could not have Kakashi state that her attemp to poison Sasuke had no chance to succed. After all Tsunade has a better knowege of the Human body than Oro or even Kabuto, so Sakura should have found something that Sasuke couldn't be immunised to by Orochimaru. After all, she did fail to even inject the poison, so it wasn't needed to said that it would do nothing, even if she succeded.

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Koshej In reply to Tsuki222 [2014-10-27 20:38:43 +0000 UTC]

GOOD POINT.

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rotcalex2011 [2014-07-25 00:28:15 +0000 UTC]

hit the nail right on the head on all characters so that's good. kishimoto did state DBZ was much of his inspiration for Naruto so similarities were always gonna be there just like how many anime have many of the same reoccurring themes in terms of characters (mainly the whole "stupid" main character "aggressive" female character right next to them) yes goku married chichi then again his concept of love was weak, Naruto being a teenager now himself doesn't have a good understanding of love either but seems to understand it better than goku (somewhat and sometimes :/) sasuke/vegeta and sakura/bulma those comparisons are parallel too, only difference is sakura has always stayed a main character while bulma at times became a minor/support character but they share the fact they boost their primary love intrest's character to a point (fact: sakura has never said she loves Naruto more than sasuke but she does him as a sibling at least) chichi confessed and got the feelings returned, hinata, despite the development with Naruto (very strong and currently on a level better than narusaku) has never FULLY got her feelings returned from Naruto. just like how sakura has a undefined feeling for Naruto, Naruto has an undefined deeling for hinata, but whats certain is that the former feels something for the latter. sasusaku's development is once again being seen since sasuke's return but I doubt anything will happen until the wars over, same applies to naruhina's development. sasusaku's can continue but not naruhina's because hinata being under the genjutsu has stalled her completely. still at this point (in terms of Naruto manga) NS-SS-NH are all still well likely to happen because the "air" (so to speak) between them all has to be cleared. I, like most fans, are waiting for the official end so everything can be revealed and everyone can finally come to peace with eachother. Naruto does not entirely equal DBZ but the comparisons between them sure makes things for the Naruto storyline seem more possible.

great job on the comparisons and hopefully everything will fall into place in which everyone is happy. enjoy your day and support what your ship cuz that's all we can do until we know what is and isn't canon.

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Koshej In reply to rotcalex2011 [2014-07-26 21:26:27 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for a NORMAL review.
You're a RARE POSITIVE type of a NaruSaku, which means I RESPECT you.
Not your shipping opinion (cause I don't see any logic behind it anymore), but definitely YOU as a PERSON (cause you're a MATURE one).
I've had enough encounters with idiotic (immature, trollish, stupid, etc.) NaruSakus to appreciate those FEW that are actually CIVIL and REASONABLE.

Now, as of this comparison:
Except for the factual similarities between the characters themselves, the only ship that is somewhat boosted by this comparison is SasuSaku (aka VegetaBulma).
I never based NaruHina on GokuChichi - mostly cause Chichi pales in comparison to Hinata in terms of both character usefulness and personality.
NaruHina is a thing of its own worth, doesn't need any external 'excuses' or boosters.
But I do use those two similarities as factual debunkers against the "main-main" and "evil Sasuke" claims.
Like I said, Hinata is a way better character than Chichi, yet EVEN Chichi got the main guy - then so much MORE so Hinata, who AFFECTED the story (AND the Hero) 9000 times MORE than Chichi ever did.
And as of Sasuke: if the EVIL ALIEN PLANET-PURGER can actually settle for (and be kinda happily married to, AND be accepted by) a GENIUS like Bulma (who could have had ANYONE; heck, she STARTS with a boyfriend, Yamcha) - then so much MORE so a former TEAMMATE can settle for someone who LOVED him ever since (let's face it - Sakura is very much DEFINED as a Sasuke fangirl for 90% of her screen time).
Sasuke is nowhere as EVIL as Vegeta, yet Vegeta got himself REDEEMED canonically - then why shouldn't Sasuke, especially since he is doing it just right NOW?

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rotcalex2011 In reply to Koshej [2014-07-26 23:13:12 +0000 UTC]

Yes sasuke is currently redeeming himself now but if he does is yet to be seen as anything can still happen. Sasuke compared to vegeta is a saint because sasuke has TALKED about murder and slaughter of leaf villagers but has never actually done it. Also does, even if barely and rarely shows he cares about others unlike vegeta who even bad mouthed his own child. Yes hinata has done much more than chichi and has always been a booster to the main character (Naruto and goku respectively) but chichi straightens goku out with the use of yelling and violence which compares her to Sakura but that's just a small part of their characters as a whole. also I do agree a significant part of narusaku fans are immature but every fandom has a group within it that does that. Also as far as me being a narusaku supporter it really doesn't mean anything about how I view other ships. I see every pairing has pros and cons and kishimoto will decide who he believes should happen. Lets not forget Naruto like DBZ is a dark action/drama manga meaning kishimoto could choose to never reveal any pairings because that's not the main focus of the story. Me personally, I just want the manga to end and everyone can finally have peace with what is and isn't canon. Narusaku is just a preference, I really don't care what pairings will be canon because as a fan I will respect kishi's decision and congratulate those pairings that are canon. Just to me I wish narusaku as the canon but what I WANT is everyone happy so if its NS SS or NH so be it because they will be happy and isn't that all what we really want.

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Koshej In reply to rotcalex2011 [2014-07-26 23:30:56 +0000 UTC]

The reason why I oppose NS so much is both because I really feel personal attachment to Hinata (and as result, her ultimate wish, aka NH) and because I don't see NS being a truly happy option, since Sakura doesn't even respect Naruto for who he is, unlike Hinata (the whole NS fandom is largely based upon the tsundere trope, which in this case is a very negative thing; taking Chichi for example, she definitely loved and cared about her family, even if she yelled her head off at them - yet I don't see Sakura having as much devotion for Naruto over Sasuke, sorry).

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rotcalex2011 In reply to Koshej [2014-07-26 23:43:24 +0000 UTC]

no reason to apologize on somethings that fact dude. I care about the friendship development between Naruto and sakura. sakura in some way admires Naruto and respects but with everything else she shows it he wrong way. theres no question sakura has Naruto close to her heart but yes I agree it seems Naruto is just a placeholder for sasuke while he (sasuke) figures out what he truly wants which isn't fair to Naruto or herself. hinata has always cared for Naruto himself and not what Naruto has done for her and others. yes hinata logically seems the better choice for Naruto but some part of Naruto will always have a small part of his heart always devoted to sakura which isn't fair to hinata either. in the end, love is complicated for a reason, matters of the heart are never black and white so in the end the romance in Naruto has no real bearing for anyone it seems.

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Koshej In reply to rotcalex2011 [2014-07-27 00:40:54 +0000 UTC]

You sound really reasonable.
Which leads me to ask, why do you stick with NaruSaku, if you actually realize that it's not the BEST option out there?
Or am I wrong somewhere?

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rotcalex2011 In reply to Koshej [2014-07-27 02:07:00 +0000 UTC]

sometimes I do ask that question myself and my answer comes from many smaller concepts. a small part of it is my love for both Naruto and sakura as individuals and as a group (teammates and friends and such). some also comes from the fact that sakura doesn't get the praise she deserves, yes she has many obvious flaws but who doesn't. sayng she lives in the past and hasn't changed since the beginning of the series is bullshit, she came from worthless to making a name for herself. saying shes worthless is wrong, firstly shes a much more capable fighter than most characters in he series and she doesn't need a clan jutsu or anything. sakura granted, doesn't have the best way of handling things (the confession as major evidence) but shes doing what she thinks is best for (usually) narutos well-being not hers. people say sakuras all talk when it came to killing sasuke, well try thinking in her shoes. I can guarantee if sakura had actually killed sasuke like she said she would then everyone would be a sakura fan. do you think it would be easy for you to make that choice if you were her?? many other small details like how they act and talk to eachother in a special way that they don't behave towards other people, just enjoying being near eachother etc. when sakura remembers sasuke she cries, when she remembers Naruto she smiles, most people miss that. so basically in a nutshell I guess I stick with them because its not perfect, but its perfect for them.

yes their are better choices for them out there but despite that they just seem drawn to eachother. something special will always connect them to eachother, connect them in a way than sasuke and hinata cant do.

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Koshej In reply to rotcalex2011 [2014-07-27 02:10:44 +0000 UTC]

OK, to each their own.
I can say this and even more about why I see NaruHina as a MUST (not SasuSaku though, cause that one I only see as a rip-off of VB, not something worthy itself).
Cheers.

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rotcalex2011 In reply to Koshej [2014-07-27 02:14:57 +0000 UTC]

everyone has their reasons why they support who they do but as long as everyone can respect eachothers opinion then that's all I care. no pairings perfect but its perfect for their relationship.

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Koshej In reply to rotcalex2011 [2014-07-28 18:01:20 +0000 UTC]

K.

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ReyReyReShawn [2014-04-03 00:50:31 +0000 UTC]

I have a problem though, Sakura NEVER was angry at Sasuke: sad - plenty, desperate - yeah, but angry, standing up to him - it was never there. Bulma has expressed her emotions to the fullest no matter how much stronger the object of her current emotions was (which is pretty much everyone). Vegeta was no different, despite him being the villain and the reason her then boyfriend and friends were murdered, Bulma wasn't afraid to put her foot down. That was the dynamic between them both being hotheaded and stubborn and it worked perfectly.

Sakura, on the other hand, never showed any signs of anger or frustration toward Sasuke, just sadness and sulk is the most of negative emotions we get from her when dealing with him. And for a character prone to angry outbursts that's really something. Sure she was going to attack him during the reunion, but her chance to stand up to him - when there was nobody to interrupt them, to put her foot down and show him that she wasn't weak at the heart anymore, she couldn't even ball her fist at him! That's a major misstep Kishimoto made, but now the story is nearly through and the 'build up' was already made. A pretty poor build up. I tried to like Sasuke and Sakura together, even found some pretty sweet SasuSaku fanfics IF Sakura was assertive - but she wasn't, so it was a complete waste! 

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Koshej In reply to ReyReyReShawn [2014-04-03 11:09:43 +0000 UTC]

I don't like SasuSaku much, if based only on the Naruto manga.
If not for the strong VegetaBulma resemblance (and Sakura's resilient feelings, which IS a very important factor), I'd be quite OK with LeeSaku+SasuKarin.
I'm only really strong about NaruHina not having alternatives - and this time for their own merit and development.
I really can't see Hinata with anyone else, and I think that Naruto deserves to be loved by someone who loves him just for being HIM, not a HERO (or a REPLACEMENT).

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ReyReyReShawn In reply to Koshej [2014-04-03 13:37:21 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, but if Sasuke and Sakura were so great together, would we need all these SasukexOCs? I don't see that happening to Vegeta and Bulma. I'm sorry, I'm not trying to diss your like for this pairing, but if they were meant to be together then Kishi should've taken the time to make them that way - but instead we got prophecies and chosen ones and maybe some hinted sorcery, just things that's making so many of us WISHING for this franchise to end! 

And obviously he didn't take Sakura's growth into much account, because all the major decisions she made are no different to the choices she would've made as a genin - actually I think she made better decisions when she was twelve! And I don't count whatever tender moments happened when they were twelve because they were basically kids! And a lot of the decisions you make as a kid and a young teen don't always stick with you during adulthood.

And what really gets me is that between her and Naruto, many fans prefer Sasuke and Naruto. For the leading lady to lose the man she likes to the man she used to dislike is pretty sad. Yeah, there are some Vegeta and Goku pairings (I dunno why either) but it doesn't override their real relationship with their true loves, unlike in Naruto. Kishi may admire Akira for DBZ, but apparently he should've paid more attention in terms of developing women and relationships.

Above all I hate how Naruto turned out, I hate the complete lag in its consistency, and I utterly despise how all the women don't get the development they deserve - and how our main guys are losing the aspects that made them great in the first place.

You can't deny that the series has been going downhill.

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Koshej In reply to ReyReyReShawn [2014-04-03 14:39:08 +0000 UTC]

I definitely can't wait for it to FINALLY end, for a few reasons.

As of the female development, well, they do develop, just not always UP.
Dunno, I'm somewhat OK with Hinata's one - at least she got her BRAVE moment in 615 (that's beside 437, cause that one was rather small in the manga).
As of Sakura, she's also TRYING to mature, but I dunno...

In any case, both girls have a 9000 times bigger effect on the plot than Chichi and Bulma ever had.
Sakura defeated an S-Ranked Sasori, Hinata gave several morale boosters to Naruto - I don't recall the DBZ women doing anything even remotely IMPORTANT, ever.
Maybe except Bulma helping Vegeta go SSJ4 in GT, but that's it.
Goku is known for NOT getting any boosters from females, neither in strength nor morale.
Naruto is very different in this regard.

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ReyReyReShawn In reply to Koshej [2014-04-03 15:46:35 +0000 UTC]

Yeah but whenever you see the DBZ women you know what to expect - Chi-Chi's the overly protective mother and nagging but loving wife; and Bulma's the confident and smart one with a notorious hothead. Hinata I get her role pretty clearly - she's the sweetly shy emotional support for the main man of the series. Sakura... I dunno. I'd say she's a support Sasuke but really, besides taking him out of his malicious state while first being overshadowed by the curse seal, there hasn't been any moment where her words or her presence left an impact on him. The only person who impacted Sasuke the most was Naruto (which of course fuels the whole fandom between those two). She's supposed to be the analytical one of the team, but I barely recall any moments where she comes up with strategies for the boys to execute - her major strength and it's barely recognized.

You may or may not have read my two-cents about her, but Sakura has a bad habit of romanticizing things, every alone time she has with Sasuke has to be themed by some fairytale because Sakura is addicted to fairytales despite the fact that the ninja world is anything but. I give pass when she's younger, but she's seventeen years old, and after everything that's happened she still has her head in the clouds when it comes to Sasuke. If she just expressed some hostility for his betrayal, and anger for his attempt to kill her (twice!) then I'd consider this pairing. But no, Kishi makes her a total pushover, he makes the hothead of the show... a pushover when she has every right to go ballistic before forgiving Sasuke.

It's messed up that the FANFICS represent SasuSaku so much better than the ACTUAL SERIES! Honestly, is it so hard to bring sincere sustenance between a boy and a girl?

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Koshej In reply to ReyReyReShawn [2014-04-03 16:04:01 +0000 UTC]

I'll repeat myself.
If NOT for VB - I might be an anti-SS long ago.
But I just can't shake that feeling of resemblance.
Also, there's a strong similarity between Sakura and Hinata when it comes to their love - in the words of Sakura herself: "Love conquers all."
I'd feel hypocritical for supporting Hinata's resilience in feelings and discarding Sakura's - even though Hinata's is only positive in development, unlike Sakura's.
So, yeah, I'm no big fan of SasuSaku, but I see it as inevitable, based on the plot.
(Note: NaruHina has a clearly positive, if slow, progression, thus it doesn't need external references for me to like it. SasuSaku clearly does.)

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Sasu-Saku-Uchiha In reply to Koshej [2014-06-06 00:02:51 +0000 UTC]

I think that it's in purpose that there is this tension between Sasuke and Sakura, look at this art that I made:
sasu-saku-uchiha.deviantart.co…
I think that Kishimoto made NaruHina be the Easy-Happy couple and SasuSaku the reverse the Hard-Sad couple.
I just hope that SasuSaku will be more happy later. Maybe Kishi made the situation hard and dramatic but finally made something happy at the end and the fans will feel happy. ^-^

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ReyReyReShawn In reply to Koshej [2014-04-03 16:14:31 +0000 UTC]

Let's just hope the ending would be passable and not an urge to form an angry mob. Agree?

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Koshej In reply to ReyReyReShawn [2014-04-03 17:21:49 +0000 UTC]

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FlyingLion76 [2014-02-20 00:04:11 +0000 UTC]

Well you got the argument for pairings somewhat matched but really DBZ had a big influence on A LOT of major anime that came after it, mostly shonen. This includes Naruto, One Piece, and Bleach which you can see the similarities to DBZ. But really DBZ itself is shonen and a lot of shonen have similar archetypes, similar tales, similar characters, it's not that big of a coincidence. That doesn't mean everything in every shonen will be exactly like prior shonen though. Hell look at Fairy Tail which is also a shonen doing this a bit different with a lot of heavy fan service, more so than other shonen did in prior years. Or better examples being Fullmetal Alchemist and Attack on Titan which-most likely because they are from different magazines that aren't Shonen Jump-which do things a bit differently than other shonen with different archetypes and different ways at presenting their stories.


You can dig deep and find all kinds of similarities between DBZ and Naruto. But thing is there does come a point where the lines begin to blur between actual analysis of story to something akin to conspiracy theories. It's not bad and I'm not faulting you for it but all I'm saying is that not everything will be as concretely exact as prior tales.

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Koshej In reply to FlyingLion76 [2014-02-20 08:30:08 +0000 UTC]

I DO see a "conspiracy" so far, since even Sasuke coming back is a VERY Vegeta-ish move.
As well as him going to Oro, only to betray and kill him - exactly like Vegeta and Babidi (except that Oro got more lucky in the end).
Also, Vegeta helped to revive AN ANCIENT EVIL DEMON Buu, only to SACRIFICE himself trying to KILL it - nooo, it DOESN'T remind us of the last chapters, NO WAY.
Also, Naruto's TnJ is very much like Goku's 'giving anyone a second chance'.
Chichi and Hinata had a crush since childhood, while Goku and Naruto were oblivious to it - exactly until both girls confessed during a FIGHT (that was during a WORLD-importance ARC).
Sure, small details do differ - but the similarity is still striking.
Bulma and Sakura are the most NON-similar ones, except their personalities - but still, Bulma is the main heroine who still went for someone else in the end (not Goku), specifically Vegeta (who Sasuke is a carbon copy of), and basically SO DOES Sakura.
Which doesn't make SasuSaku canon yet, nor NaruHina - but if we go but the ALREADY canon similarities that are so important that they basically SHAPE the series, then it's a given.
Unlike NaruSaku, which ALSO doesn't have much of in-universe hints - again, unlike NaruHina and even SasuSaku.
Hinata loves Naruto.
Naruto is exceedingly friendly to Hinata, never rejecting her confession.
Sakura still mentions and thinks of Sasuke way too much for us to ignore, plus 540.
Sasuke is 'Vegeta', who hasn't been shown saying he loves Bulma EVER - despite having two kids with her (and sacrificing himself for his family during Buu).
Which makes it TOTALLY in sync for both series - and ALL of it are CANON FACTS.

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Mecha-Naruto-Owner [2014-01-16 03:24:25 +0000 UTC]

These stupid attempts at making NaruHina look Cannon are getting out of hand

You don't know who Naruto is gonna end up with they make one girl look in the

Lead and then she gets out done by the other girl and she out does her and that

keeps going on though out the Naruto manga


I personally want Naruto to die so no one is right

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Koshej In reply to Mecha-Naruto-Owner [2014-01-16 09:58:45 +0000 UTC]

Sakura is accumulating NEGATIVE moments, while lacking any really POSITIVE ones.
1. Lied to Naruto about loving him, which even he was aware of; also, her "confession" was full of SASUKE comparisons anyways.
2. Thought of Sasuke and not Naruto, when asked whom she loves.
3. Hits Naruto for implying that she's his girlfriend, never hinting at ANY level of ACCEPTANCE.
4. Except for #1, never ever said she loves Naruto, nor that she wants to share his PERSONAL future, only to be "one of the many" of his comrades.

Hinata is accumulating POSITIVE moments, while lacking any really NEGATIVE ones.
1. Constantly reminds us, that she loves Naruto and wants to "stay by his side forever", in a clearly PERSONAL meaning.
2. Shares his nindo of "never giving up", both verbally and in action.
3. Nearly sacrificed herself twice in attempts to save him from danger, out of her CHOICE, not DUTY.
4. She can recognize him by merely looking in his eyes, while he can see her strength in her eyes.
5. Got thanked for "being by his side", which included all of Naruto's precious people, but *strangely* didn't include Sakura.
6. Except for the introductional "weird girl" (which later was anyways enhanced by "I like people like you"), never ever got ANY negative comments from Naruto.

ALL of the above is CANON.
So, while NaruHina isn't canon as in *kissing and forth*, the ATTITUDES of Naruto's towards these 2 girls are starkly in contrast, on a VISIBLE level.

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KPOP-MetalChik In reply to Koshej [2014-02-07 18:06:57 +0000 UTC]

i am really pro NaruHina and I can see the parallel for both That's great! But i really do not like SasuSaku. Doesn't make sense :/ But this is cool! Knowing that Kishimoto is greatly inspired by DBZ

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Koshej In reply to KPOP-MetalChik [2014-02-08 18:10:41 +0000 UTC]

I'm the other way around:
I see NaruHina in Naruto NOT because of DBZ, but I only support SasuSaku as a direct parallel to VegetaBulma.
I'd be perfectly OK with LeeSaku and SasuKarin otherwise - IF Kishi makes any more progress towards those.
But NO other alternatives for Naruto and Hinata.

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