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Published: 2012-02-03 00:35:52 +0000 UTC; Views: 2407; Favourites: 30; Downloads: 51
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Ulfric Stormcloak, the great Jarl of Windhelm.Love this character so much so I have to do this <3
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Hahaha! Thanks so much!
I've thinking about it! I'm gonna notice you if finally I make more
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We'll face it like Nordics that we are
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He's sooo cool! I don't know how anyone could side with imperials
Or Ulfric is like a Hitla! raging
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I also can't understand why people join Imperials...
You only need to hear Stormcloacks reasons, although someone can think that they are pretty "violent", "close-minded", and things like this... How would you act in them situation? Selling yourself to a repressive Empire?
No, thanks...
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If you say that, you don't understand all as well. Stormcloacks are freedom fighters, but Ulfi is an violent, deceiving man. He wants power too much and values it over human life, and his people are close-minded, while Imperials want to save lifes, and be lawful. The Talmor is the evil one, but both sides doesn't like it. That's why I love Bethesda: both sides are wrong and right at the same time. But as a Polish person, and an in-game Nord, I just couldn't side with Empire. It reminds me somehow of a polish-russian situation, and the freedom fighting is in an every true Pole's blood.
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Being violent and close-minded for a repression (if they could be named like this), for me, it's justificated. You aren't being respected, so you have to respect? What more?
Your people are dying while an Empire is doing what they want whith them and you aren't gonna do nothing for solve it? They're killing your culture, your traditions, they're stepping the honor of those who fight for all of this. Are you gonna serve the absolutism?
And the Empire don't want to save lifes when it don't want to hear interests of all and, moreover, kill those who can't control. Laws? In human's history we've got questionable laws and I thank "rebel" people that help to absolve it. You have to put character if you want to be heared, cause words (it's sad but true) aren't enough in this world.
Of course Thalmor are behind of this (and influences both sides)... So they're true cause of Skyrim's situation, but that's no justifie Empire's acts.
And like you said before... My people fought for a basic rights long time ago, simply like can speak your mother language or have your own rights... And for incredible it could sounds spanish goverment laughs front our face.
I may can't be impartial... But I'm proud of my people after all... Like, in my opinion, every nord should be about Stormcloacks.
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The problem is that Ulfie isn't really the best person. He worked with Thalmor once, and wasn't actually the nicest guy with dealing with Fornsworn rebellion, where he killed women and children who didn't wanted to join him. Killed a High King just to prove the point. At last General Tullius was being reasonable.
I have that feeling that without the Dragonborn's influence, Stormcloack's rebellion could easily turn into the rule of terror. And it's enough to talk to people in Whiterun after "freeing" it to see that not many people are happy with the new order.
Just like with German and Russian occupation. People in the German part were better treated because of law. The Russians disrespected their own law.
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Of course that Ulfric is the best person in the world, there's no doubt about that cause nobody is superior than others (when someone forget this simply thing is when appears the problems). There's not only an absolut true in live, but, beware, that's no means that your can't have your own opinion about something and defend it.
Other questions... Work for someone in a punctual moment ("assertion" that I put in doubt reading Thalmor's dossiers, where I see that Ulfric is for them more like a nuisance that a spy/helper/orsomethingthatyoucanreadoverthere) doesn't mean that you share his point of view. Anyway, what I think about this question is simply that... You've been captured by one of your enemies, and after the interrogation (everybody knows in what consits a war interrogation, so I'm not gonna enter in this questions) you (only to anoy (in soft words) the Empire) """colaborate""" whith the damned Thalmor (but Thalmor had already done what they wanted with the Imperial City, it's only a note, because for me this information is completely secondary). In fact, all of this, for me, it's a lesser evil.
In this point we get Markath's incident... The Book "The Bear of Markath", wrote by an Academic Imperial (so I'm sure that it's gonna be pretty impartial...) shows us a little piece of history (everybody knows, whith the danger of being heavy, this "science" writed by the winners...). Anyway, it says that (among other particular things) while the Empire fought against Aldmer, they can't send legions to restore the order (so they thought there was a problem...), and then you can read how the Empire cried cause Ulfric quenched them without Empire's help... Poor, poor Empire...
Following the same thread and now about war's crimes... That's a delicated fact but in my opinion it's something natural. In Skyrim I (how you can imagine) play a superstormcloack, so every time that I see an Imperial (legionary or citizien, no matter what race are them, including nords) I kill them without any regrets (always and when I'm sure that she/he is sympathizer) (and that's so I have more than 15.000 of reward in Solitude...). Why? Becasue it's supossed that if you leave live them in a future they're gonna cause you problems. (Something that, if you allow me to said, happens in Spain, where we've got a monarchy designed by a fascist dictator. That monarchy sympathizes with the fascist-conservative sector of our """politicians""" (politicians that, In that moment represent """us""" in Europe and, I'm gonna say passing, pretend subtly eradicate catalan culture (my culture, that, curiously, fought against the fucking dictatorship of mister Franco). And curiously again, we have to hear a damned lucid man saying in TV "My Grandpa (Franco) was a good man", a grandpa that have killed lot of people, and lots of catalans (murders signed by the monarchy that I named before) during and after the spanish civil war, only because we defended our laws, our culture, rights and lands. Can continue but I'm not gonna do it). Sad and cold? Yes, but it's a true in fact. "They're with us or without us" (it's supossed to said by Ulfric), in any case I'm agree with this sentence, you can't be impartial in this kind of questions (it's like want to be impartial in a civil war in your country). I can continue analizing the text of "Bear of Markath" but it's gonna frightening for everybody, so...
The murder of High King... Everybody on (the damned) Solitude cries for the assassination on Torygg... Well, it seems that they don't understand about the term of assassination, when it's known by all of Skyrim population that Ulfric challenged him to a duel (according to the nordic laws). Torygg, for me, was a puppet of the Empire (like Elisif, and POSSIBLE SPOILER, Ulfric allows she to live and govern Solitude afterall, and poor poor Elisif, bereaved for the death of his husband and in a rapture of honor Torygg's name, accepted...).
Your always find people against something, never rains at the taste of everybody (in Skyrim and in your country and in our world but I think that it's different that some sector are stepping you).
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Oh, but that's why I love Bethesda games, just as I said. All your argumants are valid, but you can be never sure that your political choice was the best one, because there always are these little things that show you that the other side is also right (even if not as much as you >D). We had that in Morrowind, where actually the PC side was the evil guys.
You say - every true Nord should. What about these which families are going to be ruined by the dictature and stopping the trade with Empire?
What about non-Nords, whose families used to live in Skyrim? Stormcloacks would like to just throw them out. They are mostly crude guys.
That's true that Ulfric is doing what's best for his country - but not exactly for the people. Remember cardinal Richelieu? Great guy, but not really loved back then.
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Yes of course, I'm not gonna delegitimizing (I think I've use the correct word in a correct form, but excuse me if I don't) what you think. And yes, I love so much the ambivalence on characters (cause everybody take them like seems to oneself), simply because live itself is ambivalent and, in consequence, we also are.
Sorry, but I'm not understand the first case (not because a trascendent reason, it's cause I can't get the sentence completely).
And for the other fact... In Ulfric's speech you can feel the "rancor" to those people that don't help Nords when they truly need their help, despite that they're "allowed" to live in Skyrim. Imagine an occupation in your lands, where you reside with other cultures, and this people don't support you while your people are dying... It's quite hard to accept.
Anyway, if I were really close-minded, I'm not even pose to leave elves, khajits and all of them to live in my city or their inmediations... And, althought your Dovahkiin can be any race... You can live in Windhelm. Interested in it? Maybe... But I also have interests that people who live in my city have good purposes and honor... ;D
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Yes... the Ulfric speech. The main reason why I'm not completely into Stormcloacks are his speeches. For some reason they ring "FALSE" bell in my head, making it hard to trust the guy.
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Well, so I think then there's nothing more to discuss...
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Haha, such a shame!
I enjoyed discussing imaginary politics with you.
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"isn't", not is (in the first sentence), sorry.
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I love it!!!
It's awesome how u draw!!!
I can't wait for view news works that u make!!
Stormcloacks powah!!!
Seriously awesome ^^
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