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ProcrastinatingStill In reply to adam2745 [2013-07-22 20:23:17 +0000 UTC]

I'm pretty sure everyone knows the Daily Show is not meant to be taken seriously.

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JimmyLethal In reply to ProcrastinatingStill [2015-03-08 18:48:11 +0000 UTC]

And Family Guy. Actually, if you take Family Guy seriously, you're a moron.

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fatmanandpop In reply to Up-With-The-Birds [2012-08-21 21:56:34 +0000 UTC]

You do know they tried to brainwash 30,000 americans into thinking the world gonna end in 2012. B.S. >

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NotAnAssassin In reply to zane1193 [2011-02-15 08:49:18 +0000 UTC]

See, here's the thing: first of all, "illegal" is just wrong. The police report filed by an ACORN worker states that they had no intention of participating in any illegal activity, and that the video utilized has been badly edited and the audio chopped. In fact, the police report can be seen in the October 21st video.

In addition, investigations done, such as one done by Democrat and former attorney general of Mass. Scott Harshbarger, states that "While some of the advice and counsel given by ACORN employees and volunteers was clearly inappropriate and unprofessional, we did not find a pattern of intentional, illegal conduct by ACORN staff; in fact, there is no evidence that action, illegal or otherwise, was taken by any ACORN employee on behalf of the videographers."

The report by the CRS (Congressional Research Service) gives the same result: that ACORN has done absolutely nothing illegal. In fact, the videotapers in question came much closer to breaking the law, as according to the report; "the laws of Maryland and California appear to ban private recording of face to face conversations, absent the consent of all the participants."

Investigations by authorities in both California and Brooklyn have concluded that ACORN has done nothing criminal.

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zane1193 In reply to NotAnAssassin [2011-02-15 15:59:25 +0000 UTC]

I have addressed this on other sites.Yes,technically ACORN did nothing illegal,I can tell someone how to grow POT or make MOONSHINE,but,as long as I'm not participating,I've done nothing illegal.It was,as you've admitted,very inappropriate.What is very disturbing is the LIBERAL reaction to all this.Liberals are screaming about this being ILLEGALLY recorded,and it was.However,that does not change the FACT that ACORN gave advice on how to set up a WHOREHOUSE with under-age girls.Anyone viewing the tapes can see that for themselves.

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NotAnAssassin In reply to zane1193 [2011-02-16 07:40:04 +0000 UTC]

I concur that the actions were inappropriate. Sadly, to err is human.

However, the fact that

A. the tapes were recorded illegally
B. That the tapes were heavily edited.

Both of these things should cause one to think twice before one would declare them an authoritative source on anything.

You're right that it doesn't change the fact that certain Acorn members showed poor judgment. To attack a huge organization that lacks internal structure based on this is actually invoking the guilt by association fallacy. And ACORN clearly does not take it one step further, and participate in illicit activities. The fact that several investigations have cleared them of any wrong-doing makes this very clear.


And unlike in the case of the ACORN employees, where their actions were at worst extremely misguided, the video-tapers at best, manipulated footage and showed extreme ignorance as to California/Brooklyn laws. That's at least equal to the actions of the ACORN employees. Therefore screaming about it being illegally recorded is perfectly valid, if you are using that illegally recorded footage to attack somebody else. The fact that you were playing loose with the law yourself certainly shouldn't go without mention.

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zane1193 In reply to NotAnAssassin [2011-02-16 17:13:27 +0000 UTC]

Which is worse? Illegally recording immoral/inappropriate behavior,or ACORNS actions?For myself,the choice is clear.As for editing,the NEWS MEDIA does it all the time.If this had been a Conservative group,instead of a Liberal one,Democrats would have had a field day with this.In any case,ACORNS funding has been cut,and their credibility ruined.Mission accomplished.

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NotAnAssassin In reply to zane1193 [2011-02-17 01:07:14 +0000 UTC]

Illegally recording immoral behavior. Because ACORN literally did nothing illegal, and I would argue isn't even morally wrong, so much as misguided. Unless you can prove that ACORN's advice has ever led to the law being broken, you have to go with the group of people whom you KNOW BROKE THE LAW, and unless they were completely incompetent, should have known that they were doing so.

In fact, two months after the footage had been released, they acknoledged that they lied: one ACORN official had refused to assist them, after they had claimed for all that time that not a single one did.

The news media isn't perfect. However, even if you were right that this sort of thing is being done all the time, that doesn't make it right to do so. That's a logical fallacy.

So, your approving of a "mission" to ruin a completely disorganized organization, whose primary goal was to get people in rural areas to be able to register to vote? That worked to develop betting housing for the poor, better public schools, superior health care, etc. whose credibility was ruined though dishonest and completely illicit means?

I've been trying to be quite respectful here, but I have to say: those are some messed up priorities.

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zane1193 In reply to NotAnAssassin [2011-02-17 16:02:35 +0000 UTC]

UH-HUH.By that reasoning,I can tell perverts how to set up a Kiddie Porn Site,and every things Okay.Legally,it would be,but,that wouldn't make me any less of a scumbag.Acorn is rife with corruption,I'm glad they were crippled and their agenda derailed.Hmmm.If this had been a team of LIBERALS "exposing" a Conservative Organization,what would the LEFT'S reaction be then? Fortunately,we already have examples of this.The shootings in ARIZONA were also an eye opener.The LEFT wasted no time in trying to blame Mrs. Palin and the Republicans/Conservatives,despite the FACT that there was/is NO EVIDENCE linking the RIGHT to the shootings.The Liberal News Media shows it's bias every time it reports on the TEA PARTY.

Riiight.ACORNS primary goal is to push a LIBERAL AGENDA,one which a substantial number of Americans do not agree with.Nooo,ACORN has NEVER been involved with VOTER FRAUD,have they?How about any other scandals? No,they're clean as a whistle,right? I'm also trying to be respectful here,but,when NUMEROUS STATES file VOTER FRAUD charges,it's time to wake up and smell the coffee.

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NotAnAssassin In reply to zane1193 [2011-02-18 06:20:39 +0000 UTC]

No, that would not be ok. But if you were part of a colossal organization, one whose higher-ups had absolutely no idea what you are doing, would it be acceptable for people to start blaming the entire corporation for your bad decision? Look up the guilt by association fallacy please.

If it were a team of Liberals exposing a Conservative organization, I know that I would be just as pissed. What they did was WRONG. It doesn't help that the ends don't justify the means, but regardless, they broke the law. And lied. I hated Keith Olbermann's show, because he did not present the facts in a clear, honest way, and was sensationalist. Rachel Maddow is competent, but not that much better. I can dislike liberal shows/organizations just as much as I hate certain conservative organizations/shows.


The news media is not liberal. It has no liberal bias. If anything, it tilts slightly to the right. If the media was indeed Liberal, why did it support George W. Bush over Al Gore in the 2000 election? Why does it continually produce positive reviews for conservative works? If the general media is liberal, it is playing a very bizarre game here.

I'm sorry, but ACORN has no liberal agenda. This article provides a solid summary of what ACORN actually accomplished:
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- They exposed banks with discriminatory lending policies.
- It combated the corrupt lending practices of corporations, such as Household Finance Corp.
- In 2008, it saved 5,881 rental units of working class housing.
- ACORN campaigned to expand health insurance in Texas.
- ACORN worked to help rebuild after Hurricane Katrina.

These are not the result of a conservative agenda or a liberal agenda- they are the result of a humanitarian agenda. Even if it was a liberal organization, which I am perfectly willing to argue that it wasn't, if you really wish to push that claim, it wouldn't matter.

In regards to voting fraud, this has been completely blown out of proportion. There is a difference between registration fraud and voter fraud. For ACORN to have committed voter fraud, individuals would have had to have presented fake documentation at the polls. Submitting fake registration cards is different, and a far less serious crime.

Sure, there were lazy ACORN employees who wanted to make a buck by creating obviously fake registration cards. Is that not a good thing? Certainly. Is that something the organization can be blamed for? No. Is it something that should cause one to tear down the entire organization. No. In fact, when these individuals are caught, they are fired.

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Again, the NUMEROUS STATES filed REGISTRATION FRAUD charges. That is incredibly different. No evidence, as far as I'm aware, as surfaced that links ACORN with illegal VOTING, which is extremely rare. As Republican Dan Satterberg stated:

"(A) joint federal and state investigation has determined that this
scheme was not intended to permit illegal voting.

Instead, the defendants cheated their employer, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (or ACORN), to get paid for work they did not actually perform. ACORN's lax oversight of their own voter registration drive permitted this to happen. ... It was hardly a sophisticated plan: The defendants simply realized that making up names was easier than actually canvassing the streets looking for unregistered voters. ...
(It) appears that the employees of ACORN were not performing the work that they were being paid for, and to some extent, ACORN is a victim of employee theft."
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zane1193 In reply to NotAnAssassin [2011-02-18 16:40:32 +0000 UTC]

I was HONESTLY SURPRISED by your comments!I'm glad you can see Kieth Olbermann,and Rachel Maddow for what they are.Which,makes your comments about the Media NOT having a LIBERAL BIAS even that more puzzling.I watch MSNBC,CNN,and FOX,and I can assure you,most of the media is LIBERALLY BIASED.Also,lets not forget MTV,VH1,and HOLLYWOOD,these entities all push a LIBERAL AGENDA.The media supported GEORGE BUSH? On what PLANET did that occur on exactly? Al GORE continues to garner support to this day,as evidenced by the landslide of GLOBAL WARMING programing.Despite your evidence on ACORN,my opinion of them still stands.I could show you links supporting my views on them as well,but,I don't want to drag that issue out.

The LIBERAL AGENDA is very Prevalent in America today,just walk onto any College Campus(except maybe a Christian one),and you will be assaulted with LIBERAL DOGMA.Heaven help you if you disagree politically with one of your Professor's,they WILL fail you in an instant!No,I'm NOT kidding,it very nearly happened to me,which is why I switched schools.I'm a HUGE fan of CONSERVATOONS(an artist on D.A.),because his cartoons portray LIBERAL PROFESSORS,COLLEGE STUDENTS,WELFARE BUMS,and HIPPIES quite accurately.It's sad,and scary really,to see people with College Degrees walking around dressed WORSE than the STREET BUMS they engage in POLITICAL DISCUSSIONS with! Can you believe that? Why would ANY intelligent,successful person ask a STREET BUM their opinion on WORLD POLITICS and the ECONOMY?

By the way,THANK YOU,for not using profanity in your responses,happens way to much around here.While it is safe to say that we don't agree on much,if anything Politically,I can honestly say this has been one of,if not the BEST,discussions I've had with a Liberal on D.A.

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NotAnAssassin In reply to zane1193 [2011-02-20 08:10:41 +0000 UTC]

To be fair, I do have some respect for Ms. Maddow. She seems to have SOME journalistic integrity. But MSNBC frustrates me much more than it gives me any sense of pride, because I feel like they could do so much better. It feels like junk food for progressives.

Let's look at the 2000 Election. We have Al Gore, already known for his liberal stripes, having a key position in the Clinton Administration. Then we have George W. Bush, a strong conservative son of a conservative president. In theory, we would expect the media to be much harsher to Bush, than to Gore. Yet, that isn't what the mainstream Pew Research Center found.

They found that Bush got 11% more positive stories than Gore, while Gore only got 4% more neutral reporting. Meanwhile, Gore also got 7% more negative reporting. So in sum, if we were to go by these percentages, 18% of the stories by the "liberal" media were more favorable to Bush than to Gore.
If you want their in-depth analysis of the reportage, you can find it here.
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Global Warming is a scientific fact. I disagree with the way that Mr. Gore presents it (he tends to stray from scientific reality from time to time, and is a bit alarmist), but it is true that the average temperature rates are increasing. It's like what I was saying earlier with ACORN: Global Warming isn't a political issue, it's a scientific issue. So regardless of the media's slant, they would have to report on it when relevant to do so.

Having not yet gone to college, I can't comment on that particular point, although without cold hard facts, it's hard to disagree or agree with you.

Liberals have morals too you know, and I think moral people would agree that said situation was be blatantly unfair. I would have reccomended complaining to the authorities at the school. If that didn't work, I'd say that it's a problem with the school, and not the institution.

I don't think there is the cause-effect relationship you think there is, however: college students today are more progressive, that I can agree with. However, I'd argue that it isn't because of some college conspiracy to make them liberals, it is due to a litany of other factors.

As for their appearance, I'm the type of person who believes that it is the weight of one's argument that matters, and not one's looks. If that affects you, I don't know what I can say on the matter, except that a lot of people simply don't put much effort into appearance. Now, if they look like street bums, as you say, then that is certainly taking it too far, and it may be worth trying to give them constructive criticism on the matter, if possible.

I really appreciate our discussion. I like to think that people can disagree without being particularly disagreeable, and I think this conversation is a perfect example of that.

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zane1193 In reply to NotAnAssassin [2011-02-21 23:21:15 +0000 UTC]

Sorry this response is in 2 parts,something's going wrong with this computer.As I was saying,the decision to go to another School was the best one I could have made.

Students are more"progressive" because they have been exposed to a LIBERAL INDOCTRINATION since Grade School!Holloywood,MTV,VH1,and the Liberal News Media have also helped.Scietifically,it has been proven that attractive people get hired quicker,get more raises and better pay.They also get lighter jail/prison sentences,and,get away with crimes more frequently than ugly people.Of course,attractive people also get laid way more often than ugly ones as well.I'm NOT saying this is right,merely the way it is,whether we like it or not.Again,why would I,or ANY intelligent,educated person discuss World Politics or the Economy with STREET BUMS? Most have not completed High School,they don't work,have a home,or contribute in ANY constructive way to society.I may as well ask my dog what he thinks on those matters.Hope you and your Family are doing well.

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zane1193 In reply to NotAnAssassin [2011-02-21 22:57:25 +0000 UTC]

Hmmm. Go to any large used book store in your area,and look in the Political Humor section.Compare the number of books about BUSH to those on GORE.You will see a HUGE difference!MTV,VH1,Comedians,and Hollywood all blasted Bush!Also,polls can say anything you want them to,if you know how to manipulate the data.

Global Warming has NOT been proven. GASP!!! I know,how DARE I!I obviously need to be taken to some type of detention facility for my views on this matter.Many Scientist's disagree with that THEORY,and it IS a theory.There is just as much evidence against it,if not more so.

I did,on several matters,nothing happened,that's why I left.It was the best decision

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NotAnAssassin In reply to zane1193 [2011-02-22 02:05:30 +0000 UTC]

See though, that's a bad comparison. Bush was president for 8 years, and regardless of how you felt about him, you have to admit that his public speaking skills left something to be desired. Gore is a well-spoken global warming ideologue. He had a moment in the spotlight with An Inconvenient Truth, and he was mocked for it by conservatives (Hell, Glenn Beck titled one of his works "An Inconvenient Book"), but there just isn't as much potential for humor as there is with Bush. And to be fair, many comedians are either moderate or Liberal, so they are going to sympathize with Gore more than they are with Bush.

However, if we're talking about bookstores, when I go to my local bookstore, I see shelves of conservative literature, with more moderate books prevalent, and maybe 10-20 books about politics written by liberals hiding in there. So a bookstore might not be the best metaphor for your argument.

As for Comedians and Hollywood, I don't know of any surveys that have been taken, but there are a lot of actors, directors, comedians, etc. that ARE Liberal. That is completely true. However, there are right-leaning actors, and even comedians. Dennis Miller, Bill Engvall, Clint Eastwood, Bruce Boxleitner, Adam Sandler, etc.

You can argue that Hollywood and Comedians did blast Bush, and be completely correct. But by the end of his administration, EVERYBODY was blasting him. I could find plenty of quotes from conservatives that didn't approve of what Bush was doing, if you want me to. Also, for their political leanings to mean anything, you have to make an argument that they seeped into the movies they made. Something that, especially as actors, would be very difficult to do.

Global Warming has not been proven, just like gravity has not been proven. It is a scientific theory, which simply means that it is collection of concepts backed by evidence, which explain certain phenomena. To call something "just a theory" is to misunderstand what "theory" means in scientific parlance.
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The evidence for climate change is incredibly compelling. If you want an unbiased source, I'll give you two links. One is from an institute at Nasa simply discussing the general evidence in favor of Climate Change. The second I am linking because it provides a couple useful charts, one of which demonstrates the increasing general temperatures around the world.

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As for the scientists that disagree with man-made global warming, they are in the vast minority. Some, in fact, are being supported by institutions that would want the public to be unaware of the science, such as the oil and automobile industries.

As for the evidence against global warming, it would be nice to see some.

I'm glad that you managed to get out of that school, because it's horrible that a teacher would do something that abominable to one of their pupils, and get away with it. That sort of behavior is immoral, and at least should be borderline legally.

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zane1193 In reply to NotAnAssassin [2011-02-22 18:02:29 +0000 UTC]

Bush was an Idiot!However,anything would be better than the Liberal/Socialist we have in office now.You're area of the country must be very Conservative if the used bookstores don't have much Liberal Political books.

Liberal Images are portrayed in movies all the time,you just have to look and be aware of them.The Homosexual AGENDA is part of the Liberal Movement,and,Homosexuality has definitely been Mainstreamed.MTV shows Liberally based programing all the time,and,during the Super Bowl Halftime Show didn't one of the Black Eyed Peas do a shout out for Obama? Avatar had a Pro Liberal message,and,the Lethal Weapon's Films also had a Liberal Message(gun control).Saturday Night Live is very Liberally biased as well.Actors get their Liberal message into movies/shows easily,because most of Hollywood supports it.The problem is,younger people are so used to Liberal Propaganda that they perceive it as Mainstream.

As for GLOBAL WARMING/CLIMATE CHANGE or whatever "they" are calling it this week,there is just as much evidence to disprove it.Several Conservatives on D.A. have links to sites with Credible Scientific Data that refutes what the GAIA Worshipers are claiming to be Gospel.You can find them on D.A. if you want to.

Liberals love to preach about TOLERANCE and ACCEPTANCE,with a smile on their face.However,the second you disagree with them,all HELL breaks lose.Sadly,poor treatment of Students by Teachers is nothing new,especially in College.You might be interested in reading a book by KENNETH GOOD,called,"INTO the HEART".Mr. Good is an Anthropologist who studied the Yanomami Indians in the Amazon.When he gathered data that conflicted with his Professor's theories,he was abandoned in the middle of the rainforest! His Professor then threatened to ruin his career when he finally returned,it's all in his book.Treatment such as this by Liberal Professor's is standard procedure on many a College Campus.Based on your comments,I'm assuming you are in High School?

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