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ApexsProjects [2018-11-26 15:16:47 +0000 UTC]
maybe ask for the money beforehand?
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blodbear [2018-11-24 14:56:19 +0000 UTC]
I agree with the main point being made here but... Just wanted to point out...
being a freelancer IS also a full time job sometimes so you kinda worded that weird? You are a freelancer rn actually.Β
Also, income tax means you already got that money... right? Cause it's called "income" tax. So you should have received that money to start with.Β
but yeah, people need to just buy as soon as you both agreed to do it. Seems shit. But also never start on something before you got the money.
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ErmineLeader [2018-11-24 14:16:43 +0000 UTC]
Ive never had someone not pay me for days after asking for a commission so I guess its just rare since Ive been seeing a lot of people saying people just dont pay immidietly which is mind blowing to me. Then again my TOS has blacklisting so it might be working better then I expected
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Lindblut [2018-11-23 09:22:04 +0000 UTC]
It could help if you tell people that they'll be blacklisted from doing business with you if they fail to keep their end of th deal @ pay within 24h.
Unfortunately some people won't do shit until you threaten em with something :/
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LiLaiRa In reply to Lindblut [2018-11-24 05:17:34 +0000 UTC]
Yeah I think I'll have to be more straight with people about the blacklist and put it under every TOS.
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Lindblut In reply to LiLaiRa [2018-11-26 09:12:39 +0000 UTC]
Annoying, sorry you gotta deal with that :/
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Cyjon [2018-11-23 07:14:59 +0000 UTC]
Perhaps a solution to this case could be preparing proforma invoice and then, after the payment is done - the invoice itself, as a proof of sale/done service.Β Β
Proforma isn't an obligating paper for revenue agencies, thus no need to pay tax upfront for anyone who's skipping their payments - just add Paypal being an option similar to payment thru bank transfer.
Though, that could demand from ye using some other invoicing software, because I don't think that Paypal can create proformas. But when it comes to yer money safety and stop Polish Pesky Revenue Agency from being a bi*ch, this method could be proven useful. Maybe accountant could suggest some other options? Pity there's no forceful option to make people pay upfront on PP...
Best of luck for ye and may these people finally understand to be verbal about their payments. Cheers!
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masstransitkrow [2018-11-23 02:38:53 +0000 UTC]
Put your content behind a paywall to ensure that they don't snatch and go. DA lets you do that. I've read stories ranging from bogus donations to grand theft commish. That's really unfortunate and I hope your patrons meet those deadlines.
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LiLaiRa In reply to masstransitkrow [2018-11-23 02:44:44 +0000 UTC]
I do put my content behind a pay wall, it's not the case.
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masstransitkrow In reply to LiLaiRa [2018-11-23 02:50:31 +0000 UTC]
Oh. I decided to add this to my main favorites because it is a common pain point for some deviants who do awesome work but receive little to no monetary appreciation for it.
Stay sane π
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YaB0iBlue [2018-11-22 22:46:15 +0000 UTC]
I always have people pay for commissions in advance because I've been ripped off by people skipping the bill before. I don't spend the money nor move it to my bank until I finish the work, just in case there is an issue and they need to be refunded, so I don't consider the money mine until it is finished, but I do ask to have the money in hand before I start work.Β Work for companies (if I got it) would obviously be different, but that's my policy for non-corporate commissioners.Β ThatΒ policy may not work for everyone's work style, but that's my take and it has prevented trouble for the most part.
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LiLaiRa In reply to YaB0iBlue [2018-11-23 02:43:58 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, I always have people pay me up front.
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YaB0iBlue In reply to LiLaiRa [2018-11-23 19:04:34 +0000 UTC]
Ahh, I see, so the problem is more that they agree to pay and just don't do you can't start? Man, I wish there was something more people could do to prevent that. I'm sorry that's happening to you. I don't often have that issue but it's always a pain. I hope you have better luck with it going forward
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SterlingKato [2018-11-22 18:01:49 +0000 UTC]
I agree with beyond-oblivion as that's my policy. It's just a bit easier on you and a customer since that way everything is set and ready to go.
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beyond-oblivion [2018-11-22 17:57:22 +0000 UTC]
Here's what I suggest: If they pay immediately, do what you normally do, but if they don't, put them on a waiting list. If they don't want to pay immediately then they can wait. The quicker they pay the higher the priority they should be.
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BluejaySymphony [2018-11-22 17:04:42 +0000 UTC]
I completely understand uwu
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howlkins [2018-11-22 15:19:59 +0000 UTC]
mmm yeah this is rlly important
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beastiii [2018-11-22 15:19:21 +0000 UTC]
Depending on when I need cash, on other websites, I would either ask for payment before I started if I was really in need of cash, but usually I ask for half and half.Β
But in this situation people are not following your rules and that sucks. I'm not sure how to avoid people like that either since they come off as really nice most of the time. I suppose you can just not let them commission you again? I hope things get better for you in your life <3Β
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Reyniki [2018-11-22 14:38:17 +0000 UTC]
You don't ask people to pay up front? O___O
I think you're trustworthy enough for people to just give you the payment first and you take your time with the commission. I personally much prefer to pay someone upfront if I know they are trustworthy, instead of having to hold onto a certain amount of money until you complete it.
ADOPTS and premade art on the other hand - yeah, please pay in 24 hours X'D
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Szczurzyslawa In reply to Reyniki [2018-11-22 15:00:25 +0000 UTC]
It doesn't matter really if they pay before or after you do the art, here the issue is that someone says "I want a commission, I'll pay!" so she sends an invoice that she has to pay tax from. And that tax is the problem. Not like Lil can stop sending invoices lol. So inbalance of invoices sent compared to how many need to be covered by tax. Payment may come later but you gotta pay your tax on time
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Reyniki In reply to Szczurzyslawa [2018-11-22 15:01:13 +0000 UTC]
OHHHHHH
Yeah
That
That sucks
Q____Q
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poppylemon [2018-11-22 14:01:29 +0000 UTC]
This is a very reasonable thing to ask of people! If they can't pay within 24 hours, then they shouldn't commission people.
Also, I hate to suggest this because it may not fit you or your lifestyle, but there are professional art sites where you'd be dealing with more professional customers? Behance is one of them. There's a few sites where you'd be designing logos and stuff for actual companies. Just a suggestion! Wanted you to know that there's other options too.
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ThiccBae [2018-11-22 13:46:57 +0000 UTC]
sorry you have to go though this :C
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Noxianka [2018-11-22 12:42:09 +0000 UTC]
This ^ ;_;
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Darthbane2007 [2018-11-22 11:49:26 +0000 UTC]
I always pay on time for any commission I do, or on at the very least I let the person know when I can pay which is usually around payday for me
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HallowedSin [2018-11-22 11:48:45 +0000 UTC]
People man..wtf
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Acydia [2018-11-22 11:43:22 +0000 UTC]
Anyone not paying straight away for a purchase should be treated as if they walked into a store, picked something up and left like "I'll pay later", they'd be prosecuted in that situation and should act the same way when dealing with an artist, it's just a pity we live in a world where they aren't. Its a lack of respect for other people and I hope no one else does this to you.
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dannydawg In reply to Acydia [2018-11-22 20:39:36 +0000 UTC]
I agree. Stealing art and not paying for it should be punished for. Sadly that isn't how things work, so it's pretty frustrating.
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WhiteRaven90 In reply to Acydia [2018-11-22 14:13:14 +0000 UTC]
I disagree though. It depends on the artist. LiLaiRa takes payment upfront, that is the rules of her "shop", that's why it should be obeyed, not for any other reason. It's not like a shop either. You pay upfront for goods that don't exist yet, so you can't "walk away" with them. A restaurant/coffee shop is a better analogy. In restaurants you order, they cook and serve up your food, you eat and then you pay (and no one could or would prosecute you for that and no one would think you are being disrespectful). In coffee shops it varies. Some take payment upfront, some don't. That's more like artists. My point is that you can't make hard and fast rules for a field as varied as this.
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Acydia In reply to WhiteRaven90 [2018-11-22 16:12:11 +0000 UTC]
When you have your "goods" (as in a finished art piece) if you walk the fuck away without paying you should be arrested.
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WhiteRaven90 In reply to Acydia [2018-11-22 16:18:48 +0000 UTC]
Yeah but that isn't the scenario that is being discussed here.
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Acydia In reply to WhiteRaven90 [2018-11-22 17:13:07 +0000 UTC]
Except it is. If its up front full pay then its a deposit. You donβt pay that in a timely manner you waste someones time and you dont get your shit. You buy a linart or an adopt or whatever (all being discussed above) you are stealing until you pay and in a fair world the penalties would be severe. Thereβs no wishy washy about it.
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WhiteRaven90 In reply to Acydia [2018-11-22 17:55:07 +0000 UTC]
What is being discussed is being late with up-front payment for goods and services yet-to-be-created, your analogy was about theft of goods that already exist. Apples and oranges. The last one (titled Questionable Analogy) on this list explains my issue:Β www.csus.edu/indiv/g/gaskilld/β¦ or this:Β www.logicallyfallacious.com/toβ¦
There was no talk of pre-made adoptables or premade things and there is no such category in her commission info either, in fact, it is about goods that are not yet created:Β PRICELIST 2018
A comparison with restaurants or any field in the service industry that doesn't follow the pattern of the regular exchange of your average physical products is a better analogy than shops that sell products, you can be prosecuted for not complying with the terms of services typical within the service industry too, and it is a better analogy, i don't understand what your issue is with this.
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WhiteRaven90 In reply to Acydia [2018-11-22 19:03:02 +0000 UTC]
For someone caring so much about having respect, you sure don't have any.
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WhiteRaven90 In reply to WhiteRaven90 [2018-11-22 19:31:24 +0000 UTC]
Since you blocked me i'll just put my reply here:
"I was trying to explain why you are probably misunderstanding what i'm saying. It isn't pedantic to try and clear things up. I was also approaching it as just me not liking an analogy on a random page in a random comment, which is not a big thing, i'm pretty sure you are taking this the wrong way."
(i mean i already wrote it out, and waste not want not)
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Acydia In reply to WhiteRaven90 [2018-11-22 19:07:33 +0000 UTC]
I care about artists getting paid not pedantic people linking me logicallyfallacious and being really tedious ty. Have a nice life stranger.
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KeY91 In reply to Acydia [2018-11-22 19:13:55 +0000 UTC]
Are you retarded?
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WhiteRaven90 In reply to KeY91 [2018-11-22 19:39:09 +0000 UTC]
go back under the bridge
(you are not helping)
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Acydia In reply to KeY91 [2018-11-22 19:15:37 +0000 UTC]
The minute someone uses that word its like they never existed, did you hear anything? I certainly didn't.
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LiLaiRa In reply to WhiteRaven90 [2018-11-22 15:20:31 +0000 UTC]
I agree. It's different
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Tunquen In reply to Acydia [2018-11-22 13:29:55 +0000 UTC]
THIS
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