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LinumDeactivated In reply to Spiritswriter123 [2016-03-19 19:14:56 +0000 UTC]

Thanks a lot!
Yeah you are totally right! Some of these flags would be indistinguishable without their coats of arms!
(The flags of Slovenia, Russia and Slovakia for example)

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LinumDeactivated In reply to J-LE7 [2016-03-19 18:27:52 +0000 UTC]

Yes, I know that this symbol has a Byzantine origin and it also appears in the escutcheon of the Serbian Coat of Arms, which was my inspiration.  
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia…

But I think that I have already explained the most in the description above. Thanks! I will add your bonus information to the description soon. 

The Serbian cross is the national symbol of Serbia. Here is a link for you.^^
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_…

By the way, your CoAs look very good!

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J-LE7 In reply to LinumDeactivated [2016-03-19 18:44:52 +0000 UTC]

I don't really agree with en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_… saying that the 4 symbols are C's (C in cyrillic alphabet, S in latin alphabet).
As discussed here: fav.me/d9vdowl the 4 symbols are heraldically briquets (French for lighters, as written in the description of my CoA), and their B-shape made them look like a β, so the CoA became canting arms ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canting_… ).

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LinumDeactivated In reply to J-LE7 [2016-03-19 19:03:33 +0000 UTC]

Oh that's very intersting! It seems that these little symbols changed their form rapidly over the centuries...

But I see no problem with calling the cross a Serbian cross.
That's just the easiest way to describe it.^^

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J-LE7 In reply to LinumDeactivated [2016-03-19 19:32:13 +0000 UTC]

There is no rule in heraldry for designing objects or animals in a specific way.
Moreover, the way things are seen evolves a lot with time.
The best example I think is the lion. When you see a lion in the Book of Kells (8th- 9th century, example here: fav.me/d9uoyz2 ), then in early armorials (13th century) and now in its standardised non glamourous Wiki-style, there's a huge difference.   
Who ever saw lions in middle ages? There's place for fantasy.   

With the C - B/β - briquet/lighter, the shape depends on the heraldist/vexillologist's art and choice.   
For the Byzantium & Serbia CoA's, I decided to design a new hape according to what I imagined to be a briquet/lighter.

The problem I see with calling this overall pattern a "Serbian Cross" is that it is not unique to Serbia, but it is also byzantine, and moreover linked to a Greek dynasty.
It's the same with the cross shape, which does not belong to christians, or the svastika to nazis, or the 6 pointed stars to jews, and so on.
If the red cross centered on a white background   is named "St George Cross", it's not the "English Cross" because Genoa or Milan also use it.
When studying symbols, the first lesson is that symbols are universal and should not be owned by a religion, a political concept or a nation. If so, it becomes a standard to bear during fights.

"Serbian Cross" is a shortcut. Okay. But beware of invaders!   

I'm sorry, but you submitted your work in "Political".

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LinumDeactivated In reply to J-LE7 [2016-03-19 20:31:24 +0000 UTC]

Alright! I will remember what you told me!  

Tragically I didn't find another term to describe this symbol, so I used this one. 


Sorry for submitting it in political but I think there is no suitable category for flags here on DA...  

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J-LE7 In reply to LinumDeactivated [2016-03-19 20:54:57 +0000 UTC]

 
You don't have to be sorry for what ever!
We freely talk. There's absolutely nothing personal.  

In the beginning, I submitted my CoA's in "Political". There's indeed nothing dedicated to history and/or geography. Now I switched to "Abstract".
Flags may be considered as political work, as flags include concepts (nation, place, idea, etc.).
If I wrote so, it was only a joke.

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LinumDeactivated In reply to J-LE7 [2016-03-20 09:23:04 +0000 UTC]

Of course! 

Maybe I will find a better and more suitable category!

Thank you for your feedback!

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