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This is forHere is Jay instructing Evzen how to fire a Mk III spring rifle.
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My goodness LK, your art style when you draw stuff about DreamKeepers, and Sonic The Hedgehog in some cases, is surprisingly similar to Dave's artwork! Is that on purpose or what?
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I tried to get it as close as I could
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That bayonet is a tad bit too thin, just so you know.
Would have been fine if it were about two and a half times as wide. (The handle and blade.)
Could also do with being just a bit longer as well.
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True, but I modeled it from what Dave had in a ref.
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I suppose, but that doesn't mean that you couldn't have corrected their error. . .
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Nicely done! Dig the weapon of choice! XD
Keep it up! ^^
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Well had to use the weapon that they have.
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Idk why but I feel like if I would be in Troika then I would use the Mk III only to get the shock troopers spring rifle xD For me three barrels in single gun are just... weird. It would weight more and be not as accurate as it could be with 1 barrel.
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Yeah, but the longer ones are useless in close quarters.
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Not useless but worse to handle. Anyway you can always use shorter weps than both said above
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Have you ever tried using a gun that long to go around corridor corners?Β many corners are more narrow than that gun is long, so you have to hold the gun vertical to go around the corner, which leaves you vulnerable till you have the opportunity to bring it back down.Β Even if you can do it, it still costs you precious micro seconds that you can get shot.Β With the shorter one you can jump out and start blasting away.
Now don't get me wrong, the long one does have its uses.Β You need to be versatile for the weapons designed for different situations.
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I probably got you wrong cuz I actually held like Pecheneg. It's heavy as fuck but if you're in a fire team then it doesn't matter. Somebody else is gonna have shorter and lighter weapon. And still you can operate with it and hold it near the hip. And those micro seconds are given to you mostly by flashbangs. Or we're still talking about Dreamkeepers realm. With longer gun you still can jump out but aiming from the hip. Maybe it's not a proper way to handle a gun but still good enough for CQC. Short ones are better practically for everything I know but still I wouldn't use 3-barreled gun cuz of weight. It's as useless as the longer gun. It's probably heavier. Longer and lighter but still longer. So what would be actually better gun shorter but with weight about 6 kg or longer with weight around 4kg? I wouldn't pick it on any longer mission.
Also I could modify the barrel to be shorter.Β
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What makes you think its that much heaver?Β That gatling is not solid you know, its three tubes in a hallow cylinder.Β And from looking at how they use those longer guns, the wight is not exactly on center.
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3 Barrels, big tube that holds it and other parts to make it work. With one barrel it's a simple mechanism. With gatling it has to move the tube so there are some kind of electrical mechanism or something else. (dunno if it works like actual M134, is it just using those 3 barrels to shoot 3 rounds per shot or something). And that weights.
I don't really remember how did they hold them etc. But these are built in bullpup system so it's pretty obvious that the weight center would be at the back of the rifle. Longer barrel with flash supressor weights something too tho.
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It does not need to be electric.Β actually its all mechanical.Β The Gatling function is actually a quick discharg and reload.Β so it fires, disgarges and reloads at the same time.Β I have a toy nerf gun that does the same thing.Β The mechanical thing that does the job does not weigh that much.Β Sure the extra tubes would give more wight than a single tube, however the wight is localized and not sparing out far off causing a leverage effect that makes the gun heavier than it is.
I know the back is heaver, however the back of the gun would have to be behind you to balance it properly.Β Thus to hold that thing steady it would have to be at your side.
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Could I have a source of that? All I know is that in the classical gatling you have to move the crank to move the barrels. In M134 it's being moved by electrical parts. And sure it won't weight that much cuz it's in a light weight toy. It haven't to move big ass heavy parts. In normal weapon there would be not enough power from gases to move it mechanicaly. So I still think that it's being moved by electricity or some other energy of some sort. All I see is it's electrical, hydraulical and pneumatical power source. So still you have to get other parts. Can't find anything about the pneumatic version and how does it actually work tho.
Actually it's easier to hold a weapon if it's weight is closer to your chest. It's easier to swing it and hold it cuz part of the weight is taken by your chest. Β If it would be behind me then it would cause the said above leverage effect because it's not THAT heavy while compared to the front. At least you're not feeling it.
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science.howstuffworks.com/revo⦠There you go. And there are examples of little parts moving large parts all around us. Just look at our cars. Not the type of mechanic you should be wondering is how it busts the shell in half so the spring can expand and fire the shell. That's the mechanic you should question.
Exactly.
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Idk if I got it wrong but we were talking about gatling type of working gun. Revolvers are working differently cuz They're one barreled, self-loading small arms. The cylinder is being moved by pulling the trigger that then acts on the other small parts that move the cylinder. Buuuut - it won't be moved ifΒ the cycle has ended without pulling the trigger once again. You can see that there are ratchets on the cylinder - they are here so those little parts can push it a little and stop. So here's why this won't work with automatic weapons.Β
1. Mechanical working method would be too slow if not effective at all ewentualy.
2. it could need help from a shooter to start cycling. It would be like starting a chainsaw or using a crank to move those barrels like in old gatlings.
Β Ok small parts can move something but they won't move anything without other big parts. In cars you have many systems of components and every of them (if mechanical) is conjoined with few bigger parts.
Still those parts in cars are being moved by the energy, right? The engine is burning the fuel and here comes the energy. Or teslas are using electricity.Β
Aaaand the other thing is - people actually thought about it all ealier and that's why we have gatlings like these and not the other imho
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Who said the spring rifle was automatic?Β Dave certainly did not.Β But he did not say you had to tap the trigger ether.Β But what theire is, is a diagram at the end of V4.Β and it shows a mechanical device for the gatling, or revolver it you want to call it that.
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Ehh I didn't read the V4 yet. Anyway I don't know how did we end up here when I started talking about throwing away Mk III for spring rifle.Β
So well, dead end then.Β
And no cuz gatling and revolver are 2 different things. It seems that I know more than you about weapons so why do you think I would call revolver a gatling and conversely?
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Oh, well you need to get that one.
Yes I know they are two different things.Β And I have no doubt you probably know more about guns than I do.Β But I called it a gatling because that's how its labeled in the diagram.Β However the mechanics and the purpose is reminiscent of a revolver.Β The only difference is that with our traditional revolver, its in the middle of the gun, but with the spring gun its up the front as extra tubes.
But really us talking about it like this is kinda silly.Β We are talking about spring guns in a fantasy world that are not in the real world.Β There are no hard facts about it.Β Unless Dave is actually skilled with gun engineering and even calculated the materials.
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I've got the digital version from the Faction contest but still didn't download it cuz of some kind of problem with the flash.Β
Oh, ok I thought you called the gatling revolver and conversely... Β Β
Yeah it's silly. Well nobody evenΒ reallyΒ said anything about them. AndΒ I don't think so
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Well hope you get to read it at some point.
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He sure seems surprised of the imact that gun can leave.
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Who says he shot it yet?
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I was looking at the deformed dummy, which made me think he was shooting at it.
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No, that's not in front of them.
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Whoa this drawing truly ended fantastic, I like how Jay is training Evzen with the spring rifle. The shading is quite good too. Keep the great work
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This is some incredible work you have here! Bravo man!
I guess those male ref sheet proved very useful eh? ^-0 Also is Jay's power portals?
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Yes, very useful. and from what I heard, it is portals.
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Yep. Portal creation!
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He thinks with portals ^-0
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