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Description ZIMBA:
In the late 1940s English film mogul J. Arthur Rank wanted to create a British cartoon studio to rival Disney's . He hired David Hand, Disney's own director of Snow White and Bambi, to put together this studio. Hand tried to start a series named Animaland in 1948. Its main star was a red squirrel named Ginger Nutt, but the first Animaland cartoon featured a humorous "nature study" of the African lion. This lion only appeared in two of the nine cartoons, where he was called Zimmy Lion. But according to studio notes for future cartoons, which were partially published in the single children's picture book that came out before the studio ran out of money and -closed down in 1950, Zimmy was a nickname for Zimba.

KIMBA:
Kimba, the White Lion was one of the most popular TV cartoons of the late 1960s. The show came from Japan, where it began as a famous 1950s children's comic-art novel, Jungulu Taitei [King of the Jungle] by Osamu Tesuka, who was already popular for his Astro Boy character.

Kimba was a Japanese cartoon, but the name is American. in the original Japanese, Jungulu Taitei, he's Leo the Lion. NBC, which bought the American rights, considered this moniker too unimaginative. They instructed producer Fred Ladd to change the hero's name to something more original. Ladd's team of writers and dubbers, led by Cliff Owens and Billie Lou Watt., took the Swahili word for lion, simba, and changed the initial letter to create Kimba-a unique name.

/Add: Interestingly, "Kimba" is also Swahili like "Simba" is for "Lion" but his is... 
Kimba in Swahili means "dung, faeces (feces)" or "dead body, corpse"

SIMBA:
The main inspiration for the final version of Simba is Prince Hamlet .

Though Disney denies that The Lion King was inspired by Kimba the White Lion, Simba bears many resemblances to Kimba, including his name and early design (as he was originally drawn to be a white-furred cub). Both characters lose their father at a young age and later encounter his ghost, and both struggle against a lion enemy who is scarred across one eye.
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Comments: 28

40ka [2020-06-01 08:01:46 +0000 UTC]

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Ravanger-Squid [2019-09-01 19:16:23 +0000 UTC]

Nobody is original here!

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MDTartist83 [2019-04-19 03:32:28 +0000 UTC]

Looks like someone came before Kimba after all. WAY before Kimba. 

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Kopa-Love [2018-09-26 14:37:37 +0000 UTC]

I can't find information about Zimba :/

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LyonRyan In reply to Kopa-Love [2018-09-29 21:01:58 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, it's essentially lost media. Unfortunate, also the lion is better known as his nickname Zimmy. Might be able to still find little toy figures of him, but anything else is likely rare if it is out there somewhere...

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the-acorn-bunch [2018-09-13 23:25:58 +0000 UTC]

Speaking of the Animaland series, I mostly liked Ginger Nutt the best.

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Mahogi [2018-08-24 22:09:53 +0000 UTC]

I have actually never heard of Zimba

And Kimba/Simba do happen to share common history, as Disney was working with the japanese cartoons to make a movie about Kimba, but after the production has started, the japanese withdrew for some reason. And Disney didn't scrap the content So we have Lion King now, that happens to have some similarities with Kimba cartoons x)

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Dragonrider1227 [2018-07-26 08:50:36 +0000 UTC]

I never knew about Zimba. You learn something new every day

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RHAcmy2k [2018-06-25 18:29:18 +0000 UTC]

i never heard of zimba, cant find any google images of it. do you have any links that have more information on it? 

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LyonRyan In reply to RHAcmy2k [2018-07-03 16:11:40 +0000 UTC]

ukanimation.blogspot.com/2012/… there isn't much out there about it hence it being referred to as the "lost continent"

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RHAcmy2k In reply to LyonRyan [2018-07-04 19:30:35 +0000 UTC]

ah,, lost media. thank you

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KashimusPrime [2018-06-01 15:49:24 +0000 UTC]

If you did your research (and you should have), you would know that yes, TLK started life as a Kimba remake before they had a falling out. Disney went ahead and decided to do a cartoon film based on lions because they liked the premise. Also, original TLK drafts read like a Kimba anime. The only thing they have on them is the concept of "King of the Jungle". Yes, TLK is loosely inspired by Hamlet. And its sequel is loosely based off Romeo and Juliet -all the characters dying of course. 

The dub company at the time wanted to use the name Simba, but with copyright issues, they chose to change the s to a k instead. Kimba actually has Swahili translation, it means feces or shit. While Simba means lion. Kimba's original name, Leo, also means lion. 

The website that claims similarities between Simba and Kimba are all assumptions. You should not buy into it just because they chose to use screenshots that bared a resemblance. 

If you don't believe me, ask Anyahs . She gave me the 411 on this whole debacle. 

Don't think I've heard of Zimba, but he's a cutie. 

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Keznen In reply to KashimusPrime [2018-07-09 00:28:55 +0000 UTC]

Actually, although he was indeed originally going to be named "Simba" in the dub, the true story behind the change to "Kimba" is a bit different. It did have to do with copyright, but not because of any issue with someone else's copyright. The dub company wanted something they could copyright, and therefore couldn't use "Simba" because it's public domain. The name "Kimba" was the nickname of the daughter of one of their advertisers (her name was Kimberly), and he suggested it to the company and they used it.


kimbawlion.kimba.biz/history.h…

Section: Changing the Names for American Audiences





But yes, The Lion King shares minimal similarities with Kimba The White Lion (Jungle Emperor), and actually has more similarities to The Land Before Time than it does Kimba (ex. The Circle of Life, the ghost of the deceased parent appearing to guide the protagonist). And The New Adventures of Kimba The White Lion (Jungle-Taitei, 1989) is much more similar to Ginga Nagareboshi Gin than anything else but other KTWL/JE works.

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KashimusPrime In reply to Keznen [2018-07-09 13:48:07 +0000 UTC]

Didn't know that about the similarities. But yes. TLK and Kimba don't share a single similarity. And this debate is to blame on a Japanese based website that people take way too seriously. 

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LyonRyan In reply to KashimusPrime [2018-07-09 20:00:55 +0000 UTC]

And yet... Hyena in thorns reaction, both have that scene somewhere... that Hyena and Banzai both get thorns in their bottoms. 

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KashimusPrime In reply to LyonRyan [2018-07-09 20:04:09 +0000 UTC]

Getting stuck in the ass doesn't mean it's copied. It's an old trope called the Pain to the Ass tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php… to enhance comedy. 

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LyonRyan In reply to KashimusPrime [2018-07-09 20:29:54 +0000 UTC]

The two scenes there are similar. Hyena? Check. Thorns? Check.

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KashimusPrime In reply to LyonRyan [2018-07-09 20:33:43 +0000 UTC]

Boy are you dense   

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LyonRyan In reply to KashimusPrime [2018-07-09 21:46:17 +0000 UTC]

TELL me that's not a hyena... Kimba/Leo's version of hyena.

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KashimusPrime In reply to LyonRyan [2018-07-09 21:54:09 +0000 UTC]

It's an over used trope. I don't have to tell you this again. Hyenas, because of documentaries in the past, have been seen as the villains. Just because a bad guy gets his just deserts by getting poked in the ass by a painful object ≠ copycat. AGAIN, it's a tactic used as comedic relief in media. Happens to Wile E. Coyote all the time. 

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LyonRyan In reply to KashimusPrime [2018-07-09 22:22:59 +0000 UTC]

coyote and hyena aren't the same, dude.

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KashimusPrime In reply to LyonRyan [2018-07-09 22:34:50 +0000 UTC]

But they share the same basic concept of falling into thorns or in Wile E's case, cacti. Same thing, dude. Perhaps if you pulled your head out of your ass you'd see that. 

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LyonRyan In reply to KashimusPrime [2018-07-09 22:44:46 +0000 UTC]

Similar yes but not the same. TLK and Kimba/Leo is both HYENA and THORNS. And you're being quite insulting, honestly.

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KashimusPrime In reply to LyonRyan [2018-07-09 22:46:28 +0000 UTC]

No, it's the same trope used. Pain to the ass. You're not fully getting the picture here. 

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LyonRyan In reply to KashimusPrime [2018-06-01 16:07:46 +0000 UTC]

Leo also happens to have a Swahili translation: "Today"
If you looked in the description that translation of Kimba in Swahili is already there...

Looky here, you commented and I didn't even tag you
Mainly just put this up to show there was a lion even before Kimba came out.

Have done my research. But honestly, I like both Simba/Kimba.

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KashimusPrime In reply to LyonRyan [2018-06-01 16:11:17 +0000 UTC]

I thought it was only a Greecian meaning. Huh, well I'll be a monkey's uncle! 

Oh, also, in the 1950s, Tarzan had a lion named Simba. He even has his own comics. He is not a cartoon lion, however. 

As do I! 

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LyonRyan In reply to KashimusPrime [2018-06-01 17:14:22 +0000 UTC]

I know there's different Tarzans out there... Same with Hercules...

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KashimusPrime In reply to LyonRyan [2018-06-01 17:18:05 +0000 UTC]

Yup. I speak of the live-action Tarzan from the 1950s though c: 

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