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Ooh... more guest stars, chillin' at Jazz's pad!For more Lil Formers head to LilFormers.com: [link]
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Ooh, Bravestarr! One of the most underappreciated shows of the 80's! Nice touch.
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Protecter of peace, mystic man from afar!
Champion of justice, MARSHALL BRAVESTARR!
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Nevermind, its bravestarr, took me a while.
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Hate to be "that guy", but... Since when was Transformers ever about logic? I mean think about it, the whole franchise depends on some suspension of disbelief. The concept of Sparks? The whole "Matrix of Leadership" idea? Soundwave (somehow) turning from a human scaled tapedeck to a Decepticon about the same height as Megatron and Starscream? Need I say more?
At least Bay's movies have no "mass shifting". That is the curse of the Transformers franchise.
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Just because something is Transformers doesn't mean it has to be made entirely for veteran Transformers fans. Admit that you Geewunners aren't the target audience that Spielberg and Bay had in mind when they made this movie and those fans who liked the movies (except DOTM, that sucked.....) to enjoy them in peace.
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i don't think the first one wasn't that. bad it's the sequels that killed itΒ
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Way too human-oriented... I can tolerate Shia LaBeouf, but I've never wanted to kill him more than while watching Transformers.
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That's why I liked ROTF. Gave us what we wanted to see.
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My gripe with that one is the complete atrocity of how Bay changed the Matrix of Leadership. It does not crumble into sand.
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How is altering the Matrix of Leadership a complete atrocity? It couldn't be exactly the same as G1 because, in ROTF, it wasn't something passed down from Prime to Prime, but merely a key for an Artefact of Doom (the sun harvester).
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I do not consider Bay's movies to be truly canon. He did them wrong. In all the other shows, it was the legacy of the Primes, and Bay completely ignored that. Stupidly.
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But you couldn't have a Matrix exactly the same as G1 because then it would be too similar to the Allspark (which had similar properties to the G1 Creation Matrix). For the sake of continuity you have to change certain things, and the Matrix was one of those things.
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Eh... even so, Bay could've done it better. Much better.
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He could've started with less Megan Fox and not killing Jazz.
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Why was killing Jazz such a bad idea? Every war needs to have casualties, and Jazz was one of them. He was also the most likeable Autobot after Optimus and Bumblebee, which would have made his death MATTER. Bay also wanted to show how ruthless and pshycotic Movie Megatron was compared to earlier incarnations, by having him tear apart an Autobot with his bare hands.
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The transformers in the live action movies are depicted as being made entirely out of inorganic materials, of course, the coldness of space has no effect on the transformers due to there being no liquids whatsoever in the transformersβ bodies, plus the fact that space is a perfect vacuum, and being frozen in the Arctic Circle/ Hoover Dam only delayed Megatron; He was just in Stasis Lock before he thawed out, so they are not weak against extreme cold. The movie stated that they were weak against extreme heat, which is why the soldiers were armed with High Heat Sabot rounds when they were fighting in the fictional Mission City. The soldiers learned that when fighting Skorponok in a Qatari town. They said that the transformersβ weakness was extreme heat.
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My guess is that they probably got the frozen-in-ice idea from G1 Skyfire.
Correct me if I'm wrong (I don't know if I am but I'm making a guess) but dosn't there need to be water vapor to create ice (something that is in Earth's very air) and in space the particles that make up air are too far spread apart and that includes H2O.
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. . . except there's nothing IN space to convey temperature. it's not hot OR cold.
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Actually not true. Even without conduction, you still would loose heat in space through radiation.
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all I have to say is "Jazz, have you even seen this movie? do you even know what happens to you near the end? you won't be sticking up for it then!"
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Bay had some bullshit retcon excuse to it, but I forgot what it was
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Ah, yes, the plot canyons, something very prevalent in all Transfomers ever made.
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I miss them... And i don't like the movie... it was all effects and they raped the origenal story.
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They're too busy with special effects these days to actually give it a storyline or anything.
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heehee yeah.
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Oh well, EXPLOSIONS!!! xD
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I now. Cold harsh truth.... But I stand for it.
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Aguh. Micheal Bay movies are always filled with plot holes, scientific inaccuracies (wanna see him totally flunk phsyics? Watch the commentary on Armageddon), and well down right nonesence. They have a lack-of-continuty-editor in their crew.
I know one of those guys is He-Man but whos' the cowboy?
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I should've known, but I've never seen the actual cartoon myself.
Thank you.
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Yep, huge plot canyons.
Here's another one: Frenzy got his head Chopped off, and survived, yet when Jazz was ripped apart, he died.
And another: Frenzy healed completely when he came close to the Allspark, yet Bumblebee was touching it when he was half-destroyed and yet was not healed.
Another: They said that there would be no size-changing in the movie, yet when Frenzy's head transforms into a cell phone, his size changes (according to Bay, he was simply folding himself up, tho that doesn't really convince me)
And one more thing (Not a plot hole, but a serious flaw nevertheless): Prme's Idea to end the war: Kill himself, which would leave the Autobots leaderless, and leave only three alive, and would leave Earth, a planet full of fleshy, carbon-based beings, at the mercy of a psychotic monster who wouldn't hesitate to destroy the humans, everything on the planet, and the remaining autobots... and maybe Startscream too, for good measure.
Quite a brilliant plan, eh?
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The movie did have a few technicalities and explanation needs, but it was still a good movie. The idea of Jazz having a movie night is cute too.
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Well.
In space, it could take a very, very long time for something to cool down, and a Transformers internal mechanisms would most likely be making enough heat on their own for them not to freeze. I looked into it.
*party pooper*
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Hm? Nope, no space ships in the movie.
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Funny I could of sworn they all had this little mini-ships or pods if you will that are obliviously more powerful then the ones seen in Best Wars.
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ROFL! Awe, poor Jazz. XDDDD Sadly enough, I saw all the plot holes and all the moments that made you groan in disbelief at the fact that they said this or did that or conveniently knew something else, but I still loved it. XD Maybe that's just 'cause I went into it expecting it to be really really bad and realized after the credits were rolling that I actually had a lot of fun watching it. XD lol oh well. *hugs the poor Jazz!* Hopefully they bring him back in TF2. >_>
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That movie is like Kryptonite to Transfans....
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