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A map I put together after learning about the upcoming show CONFEDERATE. Suffice to say, the premise of the show... upsets me for a number of reasons, so I felt compelled, partly as a means to vent, to write up a quick "CSA survives" scenario of my own.

> The exact nature of the Southron victory isn't important, just that they won. Following the war the CSA quickly started to unravel, as the slapdash confederacy, broke from war, and living to come in to the Long Recession of the 1870s, was hit with the Boll Weevil, breaking the back of much of the South's disparate agrarian economy and nascent industrial system.

> As the CSA started to fall apart towns emptied out, the cities started to surge with what were effectively internal refugees and discontented masses, and slave rebellions supported by the North bloomed again. States began to motion to leave the CSA, and a Confederate Civil War was in the making. In the face of these odds in 1885 the CSA underwent a coup with a cabal of generals taking the lead. They embarked on an economic and civil reform platform that included such desperate measures as manumission of the slave force for their repurposing as "contracted" laborers in the cities and a new army logistics corp.

> Yes, even in a TL with a surviving CSA, Brazil is still the last Western State to outlaw slavery.

> The CSA begins to move internal refugees back to their farms, mainly the lower class whites, giving them "ownership" of old plantations in exchange for working the land to support new cash crops (tobacco and later opium) alongside more traditional foodstuffs to support the country. Meanwhile, the former owners of these estates, many still lost and wandering cities such as Atlanta and Charleston were given IOUs by the government to recompensate them for all their holdings once the government made the money back and was firmly on its feet again.

> This situation, of course, did not work out for anyone, and soon the "Negro Corps" was used to keep down internal dissent, creating a new military class of semi-freedmen effectively hereditarily tied to the families of the ruling cabal. This dysfunctional system, combined with the stillbirth of industry (despite repeated attempts to catch up to the North) left the CSA a country on the brink.

> In the early 20th century there would be a "Second American War" between the USA and CSA that would descend into utter bedlam. The CSA totally collapsed, falling to a dozen revolts and revolutions, while the USA found itself awakening to a veteran' revolt in Kentucky that soon flowered into a full "martial revolution" (which would later on go to form the "Citizens' Republic", an idea much like a lovechild of Heinlein's military libertarianism and state-subsidized capitalism). The CSA itself fractured into over twenty countries with a new nation, the communist "Confederation of Free Socialist States" taking root in the deep south.

> The CFSS soon came to absorb much of the former CSA east of Mississippi (although it was soon disappointed by a number of mixed "Freedmen" Republics that had no interest in it) and quickly established itself as an ardent supporter of the growing global Communist Internationale. Headed now by the descendants of the Negro Corps, the power dynamic in the former CSA was flipped, with frequent purges, struggles sessions, massacres, and intentional starvation campaigns conducted on the urban whites, though many of the rural whites forced into labor under the old CSA were treated much better as long as they towed the party line and formed new state-driven cooperatives.

> Pointing out that the cooperatives were exactly the same as the forced labor of the CSA, except actually less efficient as now there wasn't even an internal market for half of the grain produced was often met with a bullet to the head.

> The CFSS formed close partnerships with other revolutionary states, such as neighboring Haiti, and became a major producer of petroleum goods, especially fertilizers, which kept it aloft in the face of what would otherwise be crippling sanctions and espionage by the USA. Much of the gains of this would not be seen by the average CFSS citizen though, as almost all the surplus went to the new political elite and their offshore stores of gold and other precious goods in Haitian banks.

> The CFSS would come to rely more and more on the state industries of allied communist powers, namely Russia and Germany, to keep their state running, and soon the CFSS became effectively a Fourth World Nation owned by Red European agricultural and industrial interests.

> In the 80s the communist world system came undone and so did the CFSS as all its international support evaporated overnight. By '85 the economy ground to a halt and by '86 the CFSS had fallen and a new transitional government composed of a loose coalition between the lower officers and enlisted in the military and the farming class was established out of Mobile, Alabama. Much of the leadership fled to Haiti or the CFSS' Indies territories to found the Tahoe Democratic Republic. A few generals and some coerced social service workers established a continuing regime in west that would be conquered/liberated in '91.

> In 1987 the Third Southron Republic was established, a tenuous democratic coalition dedicated to a "non-partisan mindset and mutual development of the South". Within months it devolved into a one party state dedicated to little more than the mobilization of a new military and the squashing of the remaining CFSS' pretenders in the west. By the beginning of the 90s though real reform began to be seen.

> Outreach was made to countries such as Mexico and the Dominican Republic to lean on the tightknit Caribbean system for support. A cool, yet not dangerously volatile relationship was worked out with the USA, and the TSR soon looked for investment from nations like France, India, and Ashanti. The TSR began to develop an economy based around natural gas, processed glass and salts, bauxite, uranium, potassium and phosphorous fertilizers, ceramics, rice, pharmaceuticals, makeup, and more recently in the 2010s, animation, mobile gaming and specialty energy drinks.

> The TSR is a very troubled nation, and a lopsided one at that, emerging from a prolonged period of civil unrest, racial and class conflict, civil war, and depression like much of OTL's Fourth World, but it is finally starting to emerge from what could be called 120 years of hell. It is a solidly one party state (though there are some opposition parties in government), but one more like Ethiopia's Ehadig or China's Communists, and has developed a reputation of actually caring (in its own way) for the well being and future of its people.

> The TSR is starting to experiment with advancing a truly independent foreign policy of its own, rather than continuing to rely upon foreign powers. Centerpoint in this new era of engagement is the TSR's passion project, the Agoritin Agreement, a Free Trade and Mutual Investment Area between it and several of its neighbors. Cooperating on matters such as banking, currency standards, climate change, science, health care, and education, the TSR hopes that this project is the beginning of a newer, better future.

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For those wondering about the TSR flag, it is variation ofΒ the Moultrie Crescent with stars representing the states of the TSR. Now, did I put it on a green background and position the stars in a way that it looked like an Islamic Republican flag to OTL sensibilities? Yes. Of course I did, because it was funny.

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Comments: 29

Vexilogic [2022-04-23 00:47:24 +0000 UTC]

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CHIPMUNKEN [2017-11-25 23:42:34 +0000 UTC]

You know, going a step further and having the Third Southron Republic run by a black Islamic junta is an intriguing idea.

That said, great scenario!

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mars1812 [2017-08-24 05:48:46 +0000 UTC]

This was an excellent read! I know exactly nothing about the show, except that i'll be disappointed compared to this.Β Β 

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TycheDA [2017-07-26 21:28:54 +0000 UTC]

Perhaps you could say the TSR flag is green to make it distinct from Yankee blue and Reb red, and the green could also emphasize the connection of southern culture to the Earth?Β 

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AlexanderAbelard [2017-07-23 03:02:16 +0000 UTC]

Very nice, realistic and more in-depth than any of this kind I've seen.

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KuboCaskett [2017-07-23 00:29:52 +0000 UTC]

How oddΒ is that?, the flag of TTL's Southern States being almost like it's influenced by Islam of OTL. This is partly why I love the AH community; they sometimes putΒ a creative spin on things.

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Mechazoidfallen [2017-07-22 19:59:31 +0000 UTC]

So how developed and whats is the quality of life like in the US and Mexico? Also, I am intrigued as to how the Indian Empire came into existence?

Overall really awesome map.

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Also what is Southern animation like?

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Whachamacallit1 [2017-07-22 19:38:24 +0000 UTC]

I can agree with you on my lack of enthusiasm over the Confederate series. I mean, it's not only a "been there, done that" problem, but just as well it doesn't even seem thought out to any degree.

Yours seems interesting though. I imagine that at some point during the last 120 years, the US would rather see some peace in their southern neighbor instead of constant chaos.

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kyuzoaoi [2017-07-22 19:11:19 +0000 UTC]

If an OTL Southern nationalist see this flag with the crescent, he would have a meltdown. But then, South Carolina has a crescent flag.

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kyuzoaoi [2017-07-22 19:02:12 +0000 UTC]

I think MapsAndFlags should make a contest to submit to the Confederacy staff.

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GDSPatheII [2017-07-22 08:13:23 +0000 UTC]

why doesn't the US take Kentucky back and control the Ohio river

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Mattystereo In reply to GDSPatheII [2017-07-22 17:43:59 +0000 UTC]

Aesthetic reasons, and because I think it adds something nice to the world, namely a state with a non-OTL ideology.

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Todyo1798 [2017-07-22 07:35:50 +0000 UTC]

God damn Southern Russia gets Japanified at the very end.

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Mattystereo In reply to Todyo1798 [2017-07-22 17:45:48 +0000 UTC]

I'm afraid I don't quite understand what you mean by this.

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Todyo1798 In reply to Mattystereo [2017-07-22 17:55:30 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, probably should have clarified. Β I'm meaning that the South is an autocratic, agrarian and backwards nation which turns to authoritarian Communism a la Russia. Β However rather than still being madly dystopian they've branched out into animation and gaming, much like how 21st century Japan is known for these two exports rather than the racist empire building of their forebears.

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kyuzoaoi In reply to Todyo1798 [2017-07-22 19:03:40 +0000 UTC]

At least they have Sergey Brin or an equivalent.Β 

It would also be nice to submit proposals for a timeline to the producers.

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TycheDA [2017-07-22 06:48:58 +0000 UTC]

Dang, really interesting twist on the usual trope, methinks New Orleans is very close to the US. If you have the energy to make a world map I'd be interested to see.

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RvBOMally In reply to TycheDA [2017-07-31 18:18:22 +0000 UTC]

It's here. Β 

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Mattystereo In reply to TycheDA [2017-07-22 17:44:52 +0000 UTC]

I've decided to take RVB up on his offer of a World Map Cover. So fear not good citizen!

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Asvaran [2017-07-22 05:16:35 +0000 UTC]

This is awesome stuff! Gotta say I love how the Caribbean and Mexico are doing well instead of the Golden Circle Trope. Β 

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Mattystereo In reply to Asvaran [2017-07-22 17:47:35 +0000 UTC]

The Golden Circle, much like most Confederate plans, was wish fulfillment mixed with utter insanity. I can't seriously see it being a thing.

Yeah though, i'm all for better LatAm timelines, and really "better" timelines in general.

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Void-Wolf [2017-07-22 04:47:27 +0000 UTC]

The Confederacy would probably be some pitiful state since I figure no one would want anything to do with it because it would mean getting on the USA's bad side. Mexico meanwhile probably hates them (the CSA) for attempted (but failed) conquests of them and probably wants to retake land.

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Mattystereo In reply to Void-Wolf [2017-07-22 17:48:11 +0000 UTC]

Destroying the rebels was perhaps the best thing the North ever did for us. It would have been a shitshow.

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Void-Wolf In reply to Mattystereo [2017-07-22 18:36:58 +0000 UTC]

Yeah. Though the CSA wouldn't have survived. One thing that would be a bit more itneresting that Marxist readings make their way to the CSA and an agarian socialist state is instituted by the former freed slaves, with the white population becoming a diaspoa (some may stay because they were friendly/chose their side/just kids, others may try to escape the USA or Mexico or somewhere else)/

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OneHellofaBird In reply to Void-Wolf [2017-07-22 23:16:05 +0000 UTC]

the Union Army actually ran a land-to-the-tiller experiment on the Sea Islands , which evolved into the famous "40 acres and a mule "

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RvBOMally [2017-07-22 04:37:44 +0000 UTC]

Great stuff! I really want to do a world map cover of this. On a separate note, I've been thinking of doing a subversion of the "communist CSA" trope.

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Mattystereo In reply to RvBOMally [2017-07-22 17:51:21 +0000 UTC]

Sure! I have a rough idea of this world hashed out in my head that I can drop by you as a note if you want.

Oh? The Commie CSA has always struck me as a sort of roundabout means of wish fulfillment among people who want a successfulΒ CSA but without the racism, kinda like those people who want a "good" Third Reich. So the idea of deconstructing or subverting it sounds pretty cool.

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RvBOMally In reply to Mattystereo [2017-07-22 17:56:30 +0000 UTC]

Go ahead and send me the note!

Commie CSAs actually felt like wish fulfillment in a "take that, rednecks" sort of way. My planned subversion involves the red CSA being Best America, with the Union adopting the nasty racist ultranationalism that the victorious CSA usually gets. The lesson here is really that dividing America and turning both halves into military powers would not turn out well for anybody.

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OneHellofaBird In reply to RvBOMally [2017-07-22 22:26:27 +0000 UTC]

are you familiar with Eugene Genovese ? he started out Red but shifted to Lost Cause agrarian-supremacist weirdness: he'd be like the USSA's Capone

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