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LW97 [2017-02-16 18:56:22 +0000 UTC]
She must hate the sow-prussians much
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CoasterOnCrack [2014-04-24 19:03:13 +0000 UTC]
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Changequus [2013-11-10 19:00:14 +0000 UTC]
I have a quick question, my name IS Gabrielle and I was wondering if Gabrielle is a German originating name, or if you knew.
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Merry-Muse In reply to Changequus [2014-01-02 22:01:11 +0000 UTC]
Gabrielle is a female variant on the male name Gabriel, which is originally Hebrew. Gabrielle is actually the French female version of Gabriel (and one of my favorite girl's names). :3
Gabriele is the German version of Gabrielle, and the most common nickname I'm aware of in Germany for Gabriele is "Gabi" (which, to me, is super cute). ^ ^
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mandababe12 [2013-09-19 23:06:38 +0000 UTC]
very good profile and picture.
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Symphano [2013-06-21 16:43:54 +0000 UTC]
Your OC...well...
I'm not saying it's bad, but Bavara's practically cannon and Bavaria would NEVER be represented as Female. During the War of Austrian Succession, Prussia couldn't mind his own damn business and Hated the fact Austria was ruled by a female. So he got help from Spain and France, and even some German Regions, meaning Prussia would NEVER get help from Bavaria if she was female, and he did side up with Bavaria. So Bavaria isn't female.
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Merry-Muse In reply to Symphano [2013-06-28 05:36:12 +0000 UTC]
I respect your opinion, but I created her before Himaruya's version appeared in the comics, so while I acknowledge that there's technically a canon version, I'm not getting rid of her. Also, the decision to make my version of her female is based on three reasons.
1) I researched different representations of Bayern/Bavaria in folk art and sculpture done by Bavarians throughout history. Virtually all of them were female, including the famous statue of the human personification of "Bayern" in Munich, Bavaria's capital. [link]
2) The German term for Bavaria is "die Freistadt Bayern" (the Free State of Bavaria). In German, the prefixes der, die, and das represent the gender of a noun (male, female, and neutral). Bayern's prefix is "die," which makes the noun feminine.
3) The appearance for my version of Bayern is based strongly on the actress who played the famous Bavarian princess, Empress Elisabeth "Sissi" of Austria (the title was granted when the Munich-born duchess married Franz Joseph I of Austria). I grew up watching German films thanks to my mother, and many of those movies, including "Sissi" take place in the region because it has such a unique flavor, and is famous for it's clothing and rural settings. "Sissi" became one of my favorite films, and Sissi herself is one of my favorite historical figures. [link]
While I do watch and enjoy the Hetalia anime, and like the way Himaruya portrays them, I prefer to base my own stories and characters on what I've learned during my time researching history and my mother's culture.
In the end, it really doesn't matter whether or not every person likes or agrees with my OC. She's /not/ a canon character, and will never appear in the series (no matter how much I'd like that!). She was made for fun, and I've done the best I could research-wise to portray her in a way that does justice to her culture.
By the way, if it makes you feel any better, during the War of Austrian Succession, Bayern's army was mostly working side-by-side with the French forces, so they wouldn't have interacted much with Gilbert anyways.
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Symphano In reply to Merry-Muse [2013-06-28 06:48:20 +0000 UTC]
I'm sorry. Sometime's other people's opinions on my OC DOES matter to me. I mean, my OC is Sicily. There are a GAJILLION Sicily OC's, a fear one will become so famous it becomes canon. Yes, very dramatic. I sometimes even out-logic people with my thoughts on Sicily, but in the end it doesn't even matter.
I'm that obsessive. Sowwy fowr being such a smawtass.
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Petey-Winter [2012-07-18 14:27:30 +0000 UTC]
Wow. I am (a very proud) Bavarian myself and I don't only dislike most OCs I've seen so far, but I feel outright insulted by most of them. This time I'm positively surprised. You've put a lot of effort in your OC and done quite some reasearch. Thank you! (Or as Bavarians say Merci!, since Bavarians adopted a lot of French words in their dialect due to the long alliances with France.)
There are still some points I don't really agree on, but since it's your OC, I don't want to be a nitpicker and complain.
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Dawnerah [2011-11-24 01:05:11 +0000 UTC]
PS: Why did you call her "Beilschmidt"? Is she the daughter/sister of Ludwig/Gilbert? Because honestly, all these options would not make much sense. If you'd be so kind as to elaborate on this choice?
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Dawnerah [2011-11-24 00:40:23 +0000 UTC]
She seems to be very well researched, and I think that her personality is very fitting to the Bavarians I've met so far as well as the common Bavarian stereotypes. One of the very best German state OCs made of Americans so far. Good job!!
However, I'd like to correct a few things.
For one, your German is, uhm, not that great. Please ask a native speaker the next time (there are thousands of message boards for people wanting to learn German). Eg, it's "Grüß Gott" and "Grüß dich" (but the Bavarian equivalent would be more like Grüas di XD) ... don't make the mistake to think that u and ü, a and ä and o and ö are the same. THEY ARE NOT. They are like COMPLETELY different vocals. Writing Gruß Gott is like, I don't know, writing "wrotong" instead of "writing". If you don't have äöü at your keyboard and are too lazy to copypaste them, then you should at least use ue for ü, oe for ö and ae for ä: this is the accepted way for foreigners to write the Umlaute without actually using them.
"Milchen" is NOT a diminutive of Milch; it actually makes no sense at all. The "right" diminutive with -chen would be "Milchchen" but that just sounds plain wrong; you'd definitely say "Milchlein". These two diminutives are quite similar in their usages. However, -lein is from Southern Germany, and -chen is from Northern Germany/Prussia. So early Prussia would probably rather call her Gabichen; nowadays, however, the two diminutives are not so much locally based, so today it's possible that he calls her Gabilein. (That sounds much better anyways ) Same here; if Gabi really named that cow in her early days, she'd never have used -chen, but definitely -lein.
Second, I personally was a bit offended by "I’ve based her personality strongly on the South German stereotype,..." I guess you didn't mean anything bad by it. However, you should never never never make the mistake of equating Southern Germany with Bavaria. That would mean ignoring and Baden-Württemberg, and believe me, the people and culture in Baden-Württemberg are WAY different from those in Bavaria. (At least they claim so ;D) Just for example, in BW, beer is not really popular, we make our diminutives by adding -le, we consider ourselves a part of Germany, we speak a much better accent (of course it's better!) and we even have two different cultures inside of the state - Baden and Württemberg - who are quite (passive-)aggressive around each other.
That leads me to my third point, which is rather a question. What about Franconia? You didn't say anything about Franconia in the text. In my opinion, Franconia is crucial for Bavaria and they shouldn't be one character. Even today, people from Franconia don't consider themselves Bavarian, but Franconian. They hate Bavaria quite a bit. Maybe you overlooked this in your researches... but you should really consider changing this aspect about her.
I personally wouldn't say that Bavaria'd react to flirtation by being nervos and flustered, but rather being brusk and totally ignoring the flirting person, but I guess your version is fine too. The important thing is really that she's still a virgin. Maybe you could write something about Bavaria's strong religion, incorporate this in your character design? In today's Germany, Bavaria is BY FAR the most religious/catholic state. The current pope is from Bavaria. They're madly proud of that... XD
So. Anything else? Oh yeah. Duhrer - who's that supposed to be? I searched for Duhrer AND Dührer. Didn't find any Bavarian composer. Maybe you meant Albrecht Dürer, the Franconian painter? That's it, I guess. Have a nice day.
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Merry-Muse In reply to Dawnerah [2011-12-08 02:40:57 +0000 UTC]
I'd actually like to thank you for the constructive criticism and advice. While my mother and Grandfather are both immigrants from Germany, and my Grandmother was full Bavarian, I was born in Canada and raised in the United States. My mother has done her best to answer my questions and provide me with both testimonies of her experiences, as well as books and videos, but she herself is from Mainz, and there was only so much she was able to provide for me. The rest I've had to research on my own.
This is actually an older version of her bio, and the one I currently use in the roleplaying community has been updated several times as I continue to research for her (I have not, admittedly, been on DeviantArt for several months, so looking at what's currently posted in this deviation is rather embarrassing),
Thank you for the corrections regarding the language and naming devices! ( I'm currently researching a new name for Gabi's cow, and am open to suggestions, by the way. ^ ^ ) Since this was written, I've also been made aware of the situation between Franconia and Bavaria, and according to my personal headcanon, consider the two of them to be separate characters.
The "virginity" status has also changed, as upon doing further research, I came to the conclusion that Bavaria has had alliances that could be interpreted as "marriages" or unions (I do, however, believe it would be out-of-character for her to engage in a physical relationship outside of a marriage due to her strong Catholic beliefs).
I was referring to Albrecht Dürer, but now that I've been informed that he was actually Franconian, I will both correct the spelling from now on, and remove him from the list.
The "Gabilein" nickname was intended to be a nickname that would be diminutive to the point of being a bit obnoxious/irritating, as I interpret Prussia/Gilbert as being one to thoroughly enjoy teasing her with it (my mother talked with me at one point about the way that East Germans apparently make fun of/parody Bavarian culture). However, if it's inappropriate, I will change this.
The choice of "Beilschmidt" as a last name was to indicate that Gabriele is related to both Ludwig and Prussia, and my interpretation of her is that she is an older sister to both. However, due to her closeness both in proximity and history to Austria, I have considered changing her last name to Edelstein, and in my headcanon, she is Roderich's sibling as well.
I would very much appreciate both more feedback and advice, and I thank you for the corrections. I would rather they be pointed out and changed then have her remain inaccurate.
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Dawnerah In reply to Merry-Muse [2011-12-08 12:48:47 +0000 UTC]
Oh, alright then! It's great to see you responding so positively to criticism! Well, alright, in that context I guess Gabilein is within the bounds.
And not only do the East Germans make fun of Bavarians, Bavarians also do that. There's a certain word "Saupreißn" (literally Sow Prussians) / "Saupreiß" (Sow Prussian) they use for them, which is pretty degrading. (However, Bavarians don't only call East Germans Saupreißn, but also any other German Northern of the Weißwurstäquator. Which is kind of insulting towards those Germans who also dislike Prussians. XD The Weißwurstäquator - literally "Bavarian veal sausage equator" (I promise, it sounds much better in German XD) - is a kind of border which goes from Hof in Franconia to Pirmasens in Rhineland-Palatinate.)
I am not of the opinion that the German states are related with Gilbert and Ludwig; I do know it's a popular definition however. Prussia was born in the Baltic region. For the longest time, Prussia wasn't even German. As for Ludwig, as we know, he was only born in 1871, and most of the German states were already "grown-up" back then (because without autonomous German states, Germany itself couldn't have formed). So either Ludwig is the child of all of them (which would give him like, 50 parents or something XD) or he's only distanty related to them. To be honest, it's near to impossible to make the relationship between Ludwig and the German make sense in Hetalia, because he's clearly not their child, but you can't really say that they're not related either.
So about the last name; I tend to prefer "own" last names for the states, names that are typical for the state, names that one will identify easily with the state. For example, any last name that ends with "-tzsch" is obviously from Saxony/Thuringia in the ears of a German, thus that would be a good choice for Saxony's/Thuringia's last name. I think giving them their own names is much more interesting and reflects their individuality. After all, Matthew and Alfred and UK are all closely related and don't share a last name. And the German states have a long history of being independent from each other, so yeah.
I do agree that she's related to Roderich as well though.
I just did a bit of research in German message boards. There's apparently a "Top 10" of Bavarian cow names. (PEOPLE HAVE TOO MUCH TIME.) Some of those names include Susi, Alma and Berta, which are all in my opinion pretty and good names for Bavaria's cow. Also, in former times - times when Bavaria would've named her cow the first time - they were apparently named according to colors ("Weiße", meaning "White one", or "Rote", meaning "Red one"), characteristics ("Stolze", meaning "Proud one") or jobs ("Schneider", meaning "tailor" o_o).
Hope I could help you!
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Merry-Muse In reply to Dawnerah [2012-03-07 01:14:23 +0000 UTC]
I apologize for the lateness of this reply. Thank you very, very much for the information and advice. All of it is helpful, and will help me a great deal in improving the accuracy of her character. In regards to Gabi's relationship to Gilbert, I've decided they are not full siblings, but at most half-siblings or cousins. I agree that they would most definitely have their squabbles, and I think I'd like to explore possibly doing something comedic in future comics with them bickering/insulting one another.
I'm not of the opinion that Ludwig is Gabi's "Father", due to the fact that Bavaria has existed long before a unified Germany, but I see him more as a much younger sibling, or again, perhaps a half-sibling. Gabi's closest relationship is obviously to Roderich/Austria.
I spoke with my favorite Austria roleplayer in regards to the issue of her last name, and she proposed to use the same approach as she had for her portrayal of Roderich: different last names depending on the time period. I think it would make sense for Gabi to originally have a surname native to her region, but I like the idea of her adopting the "Beilschmidt" name following her becoming a German state. However, I'm still on the fence as to what to do in regards to that. I will be researching Bavarian surnames regardless. :3
I found the information about Bavarian names for cows pretty interesting! I like the idea that they originally were named for physical characteristics. I'll likely end up choosing an older name from that list, though I'm leaning pretty strongly towards "Susi." It sounds adorable.
Danke, thank you, and I appreciate the help!
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Dawnerah In reply to Dawnerah [2011-11-24 12:14:44 +0000 UTC]
Oh yeah, I did actually forget something. So, you see, "Milchlein" still sounds extremely wrong. Grammatically, it's fine, but... nobody would ever use it. Because there's no "big" or "small" milk. There's no big or small water either, or big and small air - you can't see Wasserlein either. There can be much milk, of course, but you can only use -lein/chen with things that are actually size-variable. So if I named my pet Milch, I would probably call it "Milchi". Putting an -i at the end is also a common diminutive - especially with names! Michi (Michael/Michaela), Franzi (Franz/Franziska), Hansi (Hans), Vivi (Viviane), Josi (Josefina), Melli (Melanie), Raffi (Raphael), ... So I guess Milchi would be the diminutive of choice.
Gabi is also an -i diminutive. So calling her Gabilein is like... two diminutives at the same time. And also, using -lein/-chen nowadays is considered, if not demeaning, then at least highly ironic. Only very young children can be called Ottolein or Gabilein. Yes, putting a -chen or -lein at the end of somebody's name is highly, highly ironic. In a work atmosphere, it would even be called harassment (if a boss called his secretary "Gabilein" ... wow, that's really disrespectful!!) :/ Because "Gabi" is already an endearing name...
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Merry-Muse In reply to Bavaria-chan [2012-03-24 18:52:21 +0000 UTC]
Danke! Your Bavaria is lovely as well, and it's obvious you've worked hard on her. ^ ^
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Merry-Muse In reply to Whimsy-Floof [2011-04-17 19:25:55 +0000 UTC]
I like that idea! I love it when people make South American, Middle Eastern, or African OCs. Especially when they actually do research and have a personal connection to the culture. <3
I wanna see you make New Liberty. ;w;
Since I'm such a huge Canada/Ukraine shipper, I actually came up with a character concept for the province of Saskatchewan, but I need to do a lot more research before I even attempt to roleplay her.
Have I mentioned I missed you? >w< <3
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