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Sexualities are not something we can control. That's like trying to control your color. It's just something we are. And it definitely isn't sin or hateful to be different. Gay people are people and they are God's children as well as straight ones.
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Nope, but he loved people enough to tell them the truth.
That's why people hated HIM.
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I'm sorry. You're right. Jesus didn't hate people. He loved them, even in their sin. He hung out with the drunks, tax collectors, heck, even crazy people who cut themselves in tombs. I used to cut myself, and i too have gotten some interesting reactions from people, professing religion and that otherwise.
God doesn't want us to live in sin, but he will not beat us over the head either. It's free will, but honestly, once you truly drink of what wellspring of life and love that flows from Him, nothing else compares. <3
God has a better way
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No he did not hate!
Stupid, weak-minded humans hate, and use religion as an excuse.
If anyone will be judged, it will be then.
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I'm Christian, but I don't support Homophobia, I happen to know several homosexuals. Not all Christians are like that, but you do make a good point
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A very important point indeed. It's a terrible thing how many Christians actually hate the person instead of the sin. One can disapprove of something without hating the person for it (i.e., I think smoking is terribly wrong, but I don't hate someone just because they smoke).
I like the way you've stated this, too; it makes the message clear without being rude about it.
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Yeah- Jesus didn't hate people, just hated sin. He sacrificed HIMSELF for the sake of those who were unjust, in contrast to those who want to take someone else's life. Acts of kindness and love to send a message about them and the faith they represent are what brings people to love God, not acts of hate and violence. I am sick of so-called Christians that think Jesus is pleased with their violence towards homosexuals, Atheists, etc.
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I don't like religion AT ALL! ... makes people dumb, makes people judge other people... Actually Jesus didn't (and still doesn't) like religion AT ALL (just read carefully Ur Bible 
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Jesus doesn't hate, but all these pricks that claim to follow his word do.
its just sad. Jesus is cool, and love is love so why is that so bad.
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Interesting point. There is proof in th Bible that God does hate, but Jesus never does.
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reading through the comments Iβm not entirely sure whether or not I agree with your reasoning or opinion, but bottom line: I do agree with the words on the stamp. So Iβm faving because I like the stampβ¦not because I really support your opinion or how you confront the people who disagree with youβ¦ sorry, lol n_n
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I am not sure what you mean. My reasoning behind this stamp is that of all things Jesus said, he never encouraged anyone to intentionally treat other people badly.
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Oh, well than I do agree n_n I must have misread, sorry,
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Does the bible say that sodomy is a sin, or that homosexuality is as a whole?
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check out leviticus 20 in the original Hebrew/greek. The answer is, yes. It calls all these things an abomination:
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them." ~Leviticus 20:13
'iysh shakab zakar, mishkab 'ishshah sh@nayim `asah tow`ebah muwth muwth dam.
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind...And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." ~1 Corinthians 6:9,11
(in root form)
eido ou hoti adikos kleronomeo ou kleronomeo basileia theos planao me planao oute pornos oute eidololatres oute moichos oute malakos oute arsenokoites.
The Greek word for effeminate is Malakos, meaning homosexual relations, a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness, a male prostitute.
The rest of Leviticus 20 describes other abominable acts between men and woman. People keep trying to argue the translation of words. I gave the orignal Hebrew and Greek as well, romanized.
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It also says that shrimp is an abomination.
If what I feel for my girlfriend, the purest and most fulfilling love I've ever felt in my life, is a sin, then I will gladly go to Hell!
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the shrimp is the cockroach of the ocean!
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A very tasty cockroach.
I just want to know why everyone takes certain parts of the Bible so seriously and then ignore the other stuff. All or nothin' pals.
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I agree actually. I was trying to explain this to someone the other day that I only can respect Biblical authorities who take the Bible at face value and don't seek to twist it for their own personal vendetta. There are actually those that don't have trouble doing that. Most of them go to seminary and learn the original Hebrew and Greek, which is far clearer than the English version. For example, in Hebrew, there are 3 different words for love. All of them define the context instead of having to figure out how the word is used in context. That's why when I give Hebrew examples the definitions are typically absolutes and not diciton based.
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It would have been more helpful if the English bible had come with foot note.
Or if they had just stopped at "Love Thy Neighbor"
Personally I don't see the need to go any further than that, why everyone takes the Bible as the only way to live I'll never understand. But I guess that comes from being raised without any serious religion. Besides you can't convert someone by condeming them, I'm sure proof of that.
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I think mistranslating or abridging the bible is a grave grave grave sin.
I'm also against if for literary and academic reasons.
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Sorry for all the following. I'm sure you probably are not much concerned about it, but I just wanted to elaborate a bit. I'm sure you've heard a lot of different things and I wanted you to understand the opposite of your views the way I believe it to be. It's good to understand both sides of things so you're sure in your decisions in life so you don't make decisions with only partial truths or inaccurate ones. I used to walk the unbeliever and philosophical agnostic route, so I know the need for that certainty.
The thing is that many don't get is that people don't convert or condemn someone else. People plant seeds, but they can't force it to grow. Also, everyone is given free will and the true center of Christianity is that Jesus' salvation is a free gift that we can choose to accept or reject. Since we have free will and ultimately can fall into sin, the idea is that rejection condemns us and acceptance saves us. No person can do that. People try to take it upon themselves like it's their job to make someone believe and while Christians believe witnessing is essential, as Atheists know, there is a difference between witnessing/living what you believe and trying to force feed something with words even if it's done out of love for that person.
It's actually funny that you should mention the love thy neighbor, because that's the most present verse in the Bible. The thing is that while we are supposed to love people for who they are, a lot of people see acceptance of a person as accepting the deeds. That's not the case. Everybody does things wrong. From a Christian perspective, there's really 4 classes of the whole sin subject. Those who accept salvation and try to change their wrongdoings, those who accept salvation and don't try to change their wrongdoings, those who reject and try to change their wrongdoings, those who reject salvation and don't try to change their wrongdoings. Some people get stuck in that third one about the "good deeds" but the true center of Christianity is that your deeds do not get you to heaven because people are not inherently sinless due to free will.
Christians are not better than anyone else. We are all human and all make mistakes. Have you ever seen those "Not perfect, just forgiven" shirts? That's really the difference, but it's a rather large one if one accepts the Bible to be true. That's what makes it scary for those who believe because they understand the depth of the choice to not believe.
We can give all the historical evidence we want, by it's own account, the history in the Bible has been agreed on as the most historically accurate book in existance. It is also a unique religious book in that it has predictive prophecy that also followed history. However, I could not stand in front of you today and show you God in a physical sense other than the magnificence of what is around you. If we only believed in what we could see or already knew, our culture would never grow. We'd never know the earth is round and not flat for instance.
You may well go through life without anyone giving you proof you would consider satisfactory, but I also brought up that point because Atheists should also not condemn Christians for that either. Humans are limited to understanding based on how they grow in wisdom and spirit. Christians also should not condemn people for being "sinners" because all people are. True love of thy neighbor starts with both sides loving unconditionally, even if they don't approve unconditionally.
Have a great Christmas and I hope you can always grow to be accepting of others even if you don't agree with their beliefs or they aren't of you.
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I used to hate Christians but that hasn't been the case for years now. I just hate getting signs taped to my door that say "repent of perish" or getting entire pamphlets on why I'm going to hell. XP
Honestly, if you lived where I do, you'd never want to set foot inside most of these churches. Most of us call them the accessory churches, they're just there to up people's social status, they don't teach anything they are supposed to (though my bro tells me that they talk alot hellfire and damnation on our group.) Seriously, i've done volunteer work, I take care of my friends and the environment, I could cast curses on people but I never have even raised a finger to hurt anyone that didn't strike me first, and they just tell me I'm hell bound because I was born gay. Sounds like a bunch of bull to me, especially when I've dreamt of angels and never have they told me to change, those dreams were actually what cooled my hatred of christians.
Thanks! Though sad that I can't celebrate the birth of Mythrae to its fullest- I suck at reading entrail -_-
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Dude, we live in the New Testament, not the Old Testament. It also says eating shellfish is a sin and the only reason I don't is because I don't like shellfish. Have you ever eaten shellfish? Oh, and it also says that we should beat and/or kill our children. And it justifies slaves, that we can own xslaves and beat them. Look around you. We don't live that way. We can't throw away the rest of the Old Testament, but keep the line that homosexuality is a sin. The greatest thing God gave us is love. Why would he give us that, but it is now becoming limited? We have every right to lvoe who we wish. I am a proud Christian biosexual girl. And God accepts me as I am.
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Why would God create Man and partner him with a Woman? Why would God say in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 that homosexuality (mentioned specifically "Malakos") and all sinners were to be punished by death for these sins, but we were washed clean in Jesus Christ? It doesn't mean these things aren't sin, just that God forgives us for them. Jesus calls us to be more like him and to repent of our sins, that means recognizing when something he says is wrong and not just going "oh well." God is love but he is also described as a jealous God and one to be feared as well. A good parent is this way, are they not? They love and encourage you, even when you make wrong choices, but they punish you for those choices and then forgive you out of love.
"We" is not "Me" and it's not "You" either. My thoughts on the matter are my own and not defined by culture. Life would be a helluva lot easier if it was. The thing is that you're attacking me for saying it's a sin and that everyone sins. You've read the Bible, talk to God about that one. Sin is sin whether he loves and accepts us or not and we all do it. The difference is what you do when you recognize what God calls a sin. Do you go on doing it or keep saying, "This is wrong, but God forgives me?" That's between you and God, just like my shortcomings are between me and God. I'm just saying, it is what it is.
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Its not sin. Okay, the song I Kissed A Girl by Katy Perry. A church near hear put a sign up that said this:
"I kissed a girl and I liked and I went to Hell."
That obviously enraged me, bbut what pissed me off more was this 'correction' in the paper:
"I kissed a girl and I liked it and God forgave me."
Thats messed up as well. Here is the truth in my eyes:
"I kissed a girl and I liked it and God accepts me as I am."
The greatest thing God gave us was the ability to love. Just because someone is in a same-sex relationship doesn't mean that relationship is built on purte lust or all about sex. There are as many same-sex couples who wantto wait on sex, because thats all it is. BEcause they truly love each other, and want the right to marry before they have sex. I am a proud Christian bisexual girl and if I eveer get in a same-sex relationship, I will not be asking for forgiveness, because I don't need to.
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That's fine. You don't have to justify yourself to me. I'm just a person too.
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Fine. Agree to disagree. 20,000 different branches of Christianity, its bound to happen.
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What if they are having a non sexual relationship?
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It's kind of generalized. It means relationships that God considers abominable, like it lists relations with other people's wives, daughter-in-laws, children, same sex, ect. The reason for partnership is to have companions and to reproduce. Eros is Greek for erotic love. Philia is for friendship or a spouse, because a spouse is meant to be a friend. Agape is often used in reference to the way God loves.
Because friendship is different than domestic partnership, the term "homosexual" generally means that your gender preference is seen in a romantic way. Most people have very close friends of the same gender. To be considered homosexual you would want that relationship to extend beyond friendship, ergo impossible to avoid that type of relationship in your mind despite what you do physically.
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I would like to interject that I have medical reasons preventing me from having or enjoying sex, so none of my relationships are sexual. This does not mean they are "just friendship." Thank you.
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I do believe the bible explicitly refers to sex and not to feelings of love.
I'm a Hebrew-speaker BTW, so I can't comment on the greek.
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And if you read, it should be obvious that romance does not necissarily mean sex. Please don't jump down my throat. You're entitled to your opinion and I to mine. We kind of ended this discussion also because no concurrance was reached, so there was agreement to disagree.
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Being in a relationship doesn't always mean sex. It can, but that shouldn't be part of the definition of a relationship.
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generalized is a word I picked. That's the fun thing about wording in the English language. The connotation is way more varied than in other languages. It can be taken so many ways. If you read, the word generalized was in reference to something I used to describe all the acts actually listed in the Bible, so I don't understand your question. I didn't know what word to use. It was in reference to the word "abominable" so that I didn't have to list every act that Leviticus 18 says is abominable.
The point was that a relationship beyond friendship doesn't necessarily mean sex, but it leads to the desire to be held/touched/yadda yadda yadda. Again, you would want that relationship to extend beyond friendship, ergo impossible to avoid that type of relationship in your mind despite what you do physically.
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And no, I'm not homophobic any more than I am against other things. We're all screw up. We're human. The difference is between realizing those mistakes and asking forgiveness over making a conscious choice to continue doing those things. Many people, both homosexuals and homophobes, try to use the Bible to justify their beliefs instead of taking it as a whole and doing what it actually says.
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The Bible does in fact, speak of sinful "orientations" as well as acts. For example, Jesus says that even to look at a woman lustfully is to commit adultery in your heart(Matthew 5:27-29). Jesus also says that:"out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications..."(Matthew 15:19).
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You do know the Bible speaks against eating shellfish, shaving and working on a Sunday in the same passages, right?
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it isn't literal ... tht was a jewish TRADITION, Ur argument is pretty short, Bible isn't about a "law book" is way MORE above than that!
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LOL
I THINK IT, SO IT HAPPENS
ZOMG I CAN CONTROL THE WORLD WITH MY BRAIN
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Does something amuse you?
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Jesus was a good person. Not some hater.
Thats what your so called devil is.
If there is a god up there.
He/she/it/them DOESN'T hate anyone.
Because didn't god "make" us?
IF he did so call "make us"
Then why did he make gays if he hated them "sooo" much?
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That's the thing, God doesn't "make" someone gay any more then He "makes" a person an alcoholic or drug addict. We ultimately have the free will to make our own decisions and choose.
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And you know this because your a personal friend of god?
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