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Published: 2007-11-04 07:16:49 +0000 UTC; Views: 13728; Favourites: 140; Downloads: 4049
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You war protestors might try to say that this sign is untrue... except it's not. While you make your anti-war posters and put on your "don't support the troops" shirt, countless people are getting slaughtered by their own dictators. Try and sell peace to them.Related content
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The irony of it is that
+slavery was ended becouse it was not economicaly efective for the western owners when the industrial era started 
+fascism was ended mostly with much help from the commies
+communism was ended becouse commiunists elites wanted to be like other capitalists elites
If war would have solved any problem the ISIS would be obliterated in 2 months, but ISIS grows even now after 4 years of "fighting it"
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We really havenβt been fighting it. Β At least not from what Iβve seen.
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I know that USA has not fighting islamonazists 
I hope that at least Russians are fighting islamists. Though with them you can never be sure
Warm greetings from Silesia (Poland)
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Well we didnβt start it. Β But everyone over here is more concerned over illegal immigrants having rights than what ISIS is doing. Β 78 years ago we would have stormed in there and wiped them out. Β But now a days the politicians just shove their thumbs firmly up their asses and watch genocide happen in the Middle East. Β God damned Leftists saying we should ignore it and instead focus on why a man spreading his legs so he can be comfortable is wrong.
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I agree that war does need to happen sometimes when there's a serious problem, but in a country with so much democracy why would you need to go to war to end something like slavery? Pretty much every other country stopped it without violence! War isn't always the solution, sometimes peaceful negotiations and agreements can end the hard problems.
Although I agree that we probably needed to have war to stop the Nazis, but the Nazis would have been absolutely fine had they not gone into any wars. The Nazis were fine, until Hitler came.
And war is needed to stop fascism nearly all of the time.
But war isn't ALWAYS the answer. Sometimes we should start with peaceful means.
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Always try peace. Β And when that doesnβt work, demolish them.
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Hi
I think its not very accurate - there were no exeptions in real world. Only in someone's ideology maybe. Those above things were not ended but excluded and marginalized by two things only.
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the real changes in economy.
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the changes in our heads.
First thing means that there were not anymore ways to get more money and power from this world with the existence of slaves. People invented new ways of making money and power.
Second thing means that we begin to think about rasism and nazism (nationalism) as wrong thanks to many things (like preaching and teaching of some smart guys) and not as the fine cultural mean to enhance some imperial politics.
Pacifism solve the one and only problem - war. That is enough I think, since war does not solve anything - or maybe only one - the problem about for what we should go to war in future.
Warm greetings
from the country that knows it already.
I hope that your country will someday know it too.
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War Protesters are just Wasting their Breath, they have to learn that War is just never going to Disappear like a Shadow in the Night, Humans are just a War-Like Species.
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Robert Heinlein said it the best in Starship Troopers: violence has solved more crises than people are willing to admit. With that said, war is the ultimate failure of government and people. No denying that.
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I suppose it's also solved the those nagging breathing problems a lot of people have been suffering from.
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I would not say it ended slavery or communism. Fascism & Nazism are the same thing, Nazism is the german specific.
For slavery, the majority of western countries including Canada and most British colonies abolished slavery without any need for war. In the USA it ended slavery.
For communism it is still alive. In Centeral and South america you can ask around with the great joy they had when the governments they had clearly elected by accident were uprooted by Contras. So joyful that some of them got in trucks and started firing off guns to show their great pleasure. The USSR ironically collapsed mostly due to its own military spending due to ongoing one upsmanship that bankrupted the country.
For Fascism it was defensive war that won. Had Russia, or Britan entered the war with an attempt to invade Germany. The probable result based upon failed hold offs in France and crushing defeat early on Russia's behalf would be a slaughter that would have opened up the route for a german invasion of both countries. The USA was a late combatant and became associated after the tides of war had changed. I personally doubt Β that it made a large difference in end result so much as timing
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War didn't "End" slavery, fascism, nazism or communism. What the hell is this dude smoking. You can't kill ideas.
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I personally think that war, while useful and effective, should always be used as a last resort. That's just me, however.
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If you won stand behind our troops, feel free to stand in front of them.
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Well, all I can do is quote Bertrand Russell saying, "War does not determine who is right--only who is left." What I got from that... well, it's that those who are left have the final say, I guess. Defending oneself and the ones who can't defend themselves is significantly different from whatever motives other people have to want to kill, or fight, or hurt others. I personally think that some wars give people a chance, but conflict is conflict. Anyone can pick up a gun and shoot, but not everyone wants to fight in a war, or they can't. But I don't know much about this. I try to avoid conflict as much as possible, and I realize that I'll called a coward for it. But even I know that some people are just too thick-headed and want to head into the fray of things... so yeah.
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Brilliant.
Without war we'd first still be British, then we'd be French (Napoleon) then we'd all have ended up singing our loyalties to the third reich, while all the worlds Jews and Romas, etc were lead to slaughter.
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War has never solved any problems, did a war end segregation in the United States? Did it free India from the British? Did war succeed in making Afghanistan a Soviet Satelite?
Or did it only create a whole slew of new problems.
Did war make Iraq better or worse? Has war improved anyone's lives, ever at all, for any reason?
If you support the troops, you'll want to pull them out of the war, not prolong it.
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war gave America its independence, it ended slavery, it stop fascism. Or did you want to dance around signing Heil Hitler?
I may not support idiotic excursions, but war has lead to some good things as well.
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Well, the war technically did end slavery, but it didn't end Jim Crow and it wasn't until the Civil rights movement nearly a century later that segregation was ended. So, things weren't exactly hunky Dory.
As for Hitler, the man was a true psychopath and for the longest time people in the West cheered him on and called him a hero, hoping that he'd fight a war with Stalin. So we in the west virtually sucked his dick until it turned out he had no morals, no limits and no standards.
Also the Second world war was not fought to end the holocaust, that was only secondary.
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Yeah, well it doesn't matter why the second world war was fought, in the end it saved lives.
The west was blissfully ignorant for a very long time of what Hitler was doing, especially when it came to the Berlin Olympics. Without the Second World War and the third reich being dealt with, I would not be here because my grandparents would have all been killed. So, sorry if I like war on occasion.
Another fine example, a country surrounded by constant terrorism, from enemies all around it who are unwilling to make peace. They invade, without this country fighting back, it would no longer exist. So war sometimes is the answer.
War also stopped Napoleon and made America independent.
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It saved lives? Do you have a single clue how many people died in that war? Hiroshima, Nagasaki, The Holocaust, the Rape of Naking, you can't tell me that war was anything but a horrendous, evil blot on human history that we should all look in shame upon.
In the West, they knew what Hitler was doing. Henry ford sent him materiel support and IGM sent Hitler the punchcard technology that he needed to make his concentration camps run smoothly. Everyone was scared shitless of communism, even to the point where they'd suport a sodomizing, baby raping sack of shit like Hitler.
War did Make America independant, but two hundred and fifty years of non war related struggling caused america to become great.
And by terrorism and near constant enemies are you referring to Israel. Because I could give you a mouthfull about Israel.
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I am well aware how many people died during WWII, but where Europe is concerned making peace and singing agreements didn't work with Hitler. I also know that it is irrelevant, about who knew and who helped because a war was fought and Hitler was stopped and I didn't say specifically America. You know it was more than just America vs Japan and Germany, there were other nation involved, like Britain and the USSR, and Italy...well, depending on which part of the war you look at. America was not the reason the war was won, that was not my point. my point is that without the war and people fighting Hitler I wouldn't be here and neither would any other Jew, or Roma, or Homosexual, or mentally You've never actually had to deal with war have you?
250 years of no war? War of 1812, was a war, there was the civil war, the Mexican-American war, Spanish-American war, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, where were these 250 years without a war related incident?
Oh, please keep your radical pacifistic views away from a country that's had to do nothing but constantly defend itself.
You've never actually had to deal with war have you? I mean you can sit there and tell me all this crap about how war is bad and yadda, yadda, yadda, but really you've never actually been in a war situation? You've never been in danger, in the middle of a war have you or the victim? And you've also probably never served anywhere either because I haven't met one soldier who was a pacifist like this, they know that sometimes war is the only option.
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Industrialists all over the world helped Hitler and gave him support, the fact that he was an anti-semitic pyschopath meant nothing to them, neither did the Holocaust.
Indeed, there were many nations involved in the war, that's just fact. And I admit that I'm not a homosexual, a Roma or a Jew. And I've never had to deal with war, I've never had to worry about losing my limbs, my life, my sanity and my ability to reproduce. And frankly, nobody should ever have to go through that kind shit. Ya follow?
You misunderstood, I was referring to how over the course of two hundred and fifty odd years America became what made it great, war didn't make it great, compassion and a willingness to accept others did. The Civil war did not end racism, world war one didn't give women the vote. In fact, the US waged various wars int he name of Imperialism and committed a genocide of their own against the Native Americans.
Oh fuck you, I'm just going to rip into Israel anyhow. It's the biggest terorist state in the middle east, an Aparteid state in which you run the world's largest concentration camp in the form of the Gaza strip. and you recieve four billion dollars in military aid from the US every year. Your whole damn state has been constantly expanding its borders since it was formed in 48 through various wars of conquest.
And you're right, I've not served. And I know that war is like cancer, in the long haul it's good for nothing. Unless of course you think that that Palestinians are justified in their rebellion against Israel.
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support your statement
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Biggest terrorist state? Please, I've been there, lived there, it is not a terrorist state. Go visit and see, it is not apartheid and there are NO concentration camps. That is a fabrication of idiots and antisemites. And America gets that money back in the form of medication, weapons and other technologies and innovations. WE HAVE NOT BEEN EXPANDING! WE great after the six day war, legally, and we gave the Sinai back, WILLINGLY! So give me a break we have not been expanding, we are perfectly happy living in Israel, Judea, Samaria, and all.
Israel had to fight against a multitude of countries and violent people, it has succeeded. Israel is a source of good, ask Haiti, ask any country that has faced a disaster.
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Yes, Israel is a terrorist state. Well, unless bombing civillains and denying women and children food and medical care is being a good samaritan. Israel is a European Settler State, just like South Africa.
You fuckers in Israel have been expanding, steadily and non stop since your very beginning. [link] Just to give you an idea. Yes, you did give back the Sinai, and took more over the years.
Israel is the agressor, you are better armed and equipped and trained than any of your enemies, who see you as little more than an American Colony, not to mention that you're agressively expanding and forcing the Palestinian people to live in the world's largest ghetto. In Israel there are over twenty laws discriminating against non-Jews financially, politically and more.
Israel is a source of good, sure. It's a joke when people call you the only democracy in the middle East; I've more democracy in fucking Iran.
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Correction: We WISH it solved problems and that war didn't solve anything.
It'd be great if we didn't have lose millions of soldiers every time countries got into a fight...but unfortunately...it's all we can do.
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War sucks. War is hell. But sometimes, it is all that's left.
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Yep so true!!! And to all you lib don't bring up Gandi. Remember his protest are not what got the british to leave but it was his skill as a negotator and statesman
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Actually, Gandhi opposed pacifism because he believed that passive acceptance of violence and injustice was just as bad as (if not worse than) active participation in it.
Remember: "Evil prevails when good men fail to act and pacifism prevents good men from acting." Stupid pacifists...
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Glad to see there are some smart people around.
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Wars were fought in order to enforce slavery and grow it, Facism was a direct result of a destruction caused by a war and Communism was ended by internal forces in countries and was also of result cause by destruction by one war. (World War 1 to you and me)
War is a tool of the elites to keep us divided. And why would they divide us? to rule.
War is a Paradox. War is required because there is war?? the whole point of pacifism is to break the chain!
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I wish deviantart had a thumbs up button for this
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As Robert Heinlein noted so succinctly, anybody who says war (or violence) doesn't solve anything should try telling it to the city fathers of Carthage.
Great poster!
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Heheheee
I read this, laughed
Read the REALLY long argument someone had in your comments, laughed even harder
xD
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Except for that slavery communism and Nazism still continue. War has killed nazis communists and slave owners but it never stopped the practices.
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War may have solved these problems ... BUT I think you'll find that war was the original cause of these problems in the first place. War, corruption, and the general thirst for power and dominance.
Fight fire with fire, unfortunatly it is the only way, yet it doesn't really solve the problem ... it brings an end to it maybe, but it goes on to cause others in the fact it glorifys war and makes it acceptable. It isn't x
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sometimes war is necessary
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Wait,how war was the original cause of the problems? War is the outcome of Corruption and thirst for power and dominance.
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