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Assalaamu alaikum [Peace be to you],3 days ago, I saw one deviation here in this website called "Religion of Peace" where someone tried to prove, in his way, that Islam is not a religion of peace. he provided what he claims to be violent and aggressive quotes from the Holy Qur'an. I don't know if he read the Qur'an and quoted them or just found them in some websites...
I usually ignore this kind of people. but this one attracted my attention for a few reasons. so I decided to reply.
I could be wrong, but I think if I were to reply him in his page trying to explain things to him (and based on my experience with many people who attack Islam) the obvious reaction from him would be blocking me and hiding my comment. and since he expressed his opinion using his Artskills, I express my reply using my Artskills.
so here I reply to him in a place where even others may benefit from what I have to say.
EDIT:
I didn't post a link to his page. but one thing I'd like to remind you people: if you happen to go to visit his page and talk to him. be respectful. hateful comments will not convince him that he is wrong. wise conversations and civilized manners are what makes people understand each other.
thanks a lot.
it took me 3 days in order to finish this one. it's a little long but I hope you like it and benefit from it. if you find this useful, please share it with your friends and the people you know.
feel free to ask any questions you have. ^_^
let knowledge be shared with everyone.
WARNING: a very long slideshow (around 300 frames)
if you find any mistakes, please let me know.
I tested it several times, but since it's long, I might have missed some mistakes.
Wassalaamu alaikum,
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>"They want people who have no knowledge about islam to think that muslims worship a moon-good"
Yes, because we all know Jewish people worship stars and Christians worship crosses, you fucking idiot.
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he said "they", in other words those who makes the claim about muslims worshipping moon God and to those who never heard about Islam or muslims and their ways will easily think that muslims worship something like a moon. There's no need to get stiff about it.
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Its sad to see that the internet we all know and love become a destructive weapon.
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Why must people spread such hateful lies about a culture they know nothing about. Β It saddens me to see so much hate in this world.
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I am totally with you
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Yeah. Β Hopefully one day things will get better.
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Some "artwork" is more politically based than artistic based. Still, interesting slideshow.
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Aduhai,panjang benar slideshow nih!Tapi aku sanggup baca!Demi ilmu yang berharga!~~~Β
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You do know what Churchill thought about Islam, right?
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"Islam is as dangerous in man as rabies is in a dog." ~ Sir Winston Churchill. One of my favorite quotes by him. ~ C
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So ? He had his head stuck in the ground . Read the "Muhammad in their eyes" and "Islam in their eyes" sections in Nayzak's gallery and weep .
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Churchill didn't know Islam. so what he thought was baseless...
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Man alive this took a while. It sounds like Islam is more of a realist religion instead of an idealist one like Christianity
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It's nice to see that even though you are an Atheist who didn't read the Qur'an (as you told me earlier), yet you OBVIOUSLY KNOW that the supposedly violent verses are taken out of context (as you JUST MENTIONED).
I believe that starting like this will help you not to FALL IN THE same MISTAKE of others.
I believe I don't need to reinvent the wheel. all allegations against the supposedly violent verses are already refuted by knowledgeable scholars of Islam. as a matter of fact, scholars aren't even needed to refute these allegations. the refutations are there in the Qur'an itself to begin with.
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"I technically never said they sounded anymore moral in context."
doesn't matter whether they are moral for you or not. you are an Atheist with subjective morality. which basically means you'll also disagree with your fellow Atheists on moral grounds. we can't judge the morality of a scripture based on subjective morals of people?
in fact, for us, the problem here isn't with the moral interpretation. we may argue about that. the real problem is twisting the interpretation by using the verses out of context.
"Even though you're not a scholar I do have one more question. What does it take to become a traitor of Islam after becoming an apostate to be put to death?"
it's simple: a traitor is one who harms the Muslim nation by assisting its enemies.
I do believe that harm is of different levels. so not all traitors receive the same punishments.Β judges that are knowledgeable in Islam may define the severity of the treachery and the appropriate punishment for the traitor. I believe when the harm is really too big the traitor deserves death. but this isn't an Islamic monopoly. all nations punish their traitors.
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"So basically my criticisms of the Quran don't matter because my morals change?"
NO. not every criticism.
your "moral criticism" is the one that doesn't matter. if you want it "to matter" you'll need to prove that your morality is correct. maybe with logic and common sense.
in Islam, we believe that the God almighty is the one who decides what's moral and what's not. the Islamic morality is arguable and can be reasoned with logic and common sense. Muslims aren't like what you read about them in some non-Muslim sources. we do ask a lot of questions and scholars try to answer them. take this website for example www.onislam.net/english/ask-th⦠(and there are many others) here in the "Ask a Scholar" section, people ask questions and different scholars may answer. someone can browse the answers and learn from other people's questions or simply ask a question if it's not answered yet. it's not like "it's white and don't argue". or "it's black and don't argue."
"While it's true no two atheists will have the same moral systems we generally agree on thinks like selflessness being virtuous and treating others like you were in there shoes as essential."
those are very simple basic morals. we do agree with you here. but there are some more complicated issues where people will differ even if they agree on basics.
" Also since you'd rather trust objective morals coming from a book rather than experimentation with morals that take what works and what doesn't "
it's not that I trust "morals coming from a book"
a book is just a means to store information. some people may read a book by Marx or Gandhi and feel inspiration. you may read a book by Dawkins and trust he's telling you the truth.
what I trust is the morals coming from the God. I took the book, I studied it and discovered it to be a divine book. I reasoned its morals and ethics and found them sound and rational. so I have no reason to reject it.
"I feel compelled to ask you a hypothetical question: If the Quran told you to kill a baby because s/he cried in a Mosque (Again hypothetical) would you do it?"
you are hypothetically trying to imagine the Qur'an to be an immoral book and ask me if I would follow the imaginary immoral teaching of the Qur'an which don't exist except in your imagination?
saying "If this" and "if that" will lead to nowhere. you don't know what the Qur'an teaches. you can't make such hypotheses.
you are making a question about an immorality that obviously contradicts the Qur'an. in Islam:
- we are not accounted for our uncontrolled behaviors (crying).
- we are not accounted for our behaviors until we reach maturity (being a baby)
- killing is only applied as a means to achieve justice or stop mischief.
even if the baby were to defecate in the mosque, Islam wouldn't consider the baby a sinner.
So how can you make an assumption that clearly contradicts the teachings of Islam and the Qur'an and ask me what do I do?
let me make myself clear: if the Qur'an contradicts its own teachings, I will no longer follow it. if the Qur'an asked me to do immoral or nonsensical things, I would know its not from the God and I would have to look for another religion. I follow the Qur'an only because I KNOW that all its teachings are justifiable, rational, moral and divine. I don't need to ask an archeologist to tell me something -which I can't verify by myself but have to trust and believe-. I don't need to blindly believe in what a scholar tells me -without a proof-. in Islam, everything is based on rational proof-. I can use my brain, analyze things and believe what is credible and correct.
instead of making hypothesis about what if the Qur'an says this or that, why don't you try to read, by yourself, what the Qur'an says?
"Oh and as for the second point. Does disproving of Islam and being public about it count as assisting the enemy?"
I believe there were people trying to do that from the time of prophet Mohammed -peace be upon him- and they were not charged with treason or killed. Islam encourages peaceful intellectual debates. if an apostate tries to disprove Islam publicly, it's the duty of the knowledgeable scholars of Islam to debate him publicly and refute his claims and expose his lies. the final decision should go to the public.
A good example is the Christian delegation of Najran (a town in south Arabia) of around 60 men who went to visit the prophet Mohammed -peace be upon him- and debate with him about religion for three days. where did they debate, stay, eat, sleep and worship? in the prophet's mosque and they were Christians, mind you. but now you see some misguided Muslims telling non-Muslims: "you're dirty! don't enter the Mosque!"
these 60 people debated in public. and if it was not accepted in Islam, the prophet wouldn't have done it.
but there is a difference between "trying to disprove Islam using facts" and "trying to disprove Islam using deception and lies." the first one could be acceptable, but the second is certainly not acceptable.
in Islam, freedom of speech is allowed with limitation. the limitation is the peace and harmony of the society. when one expresses themselves in a disrespectful and offensive manner that may lead to violence and hate between people, it's no longer their freedom of speech. for example, in Islam, non-Muslims are allowed and welcomed to live in the Muslim state and follow their own religion. and although we may believe their religions to be false, we are forbidden from insulting their gods and their religions.
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People should read more of the source material of whatever they're going to talk about before releasing it.
Δ° believe your work is a fine example brother. As salaamu alaykum from Turkey.
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wa alaikum assalaam, brother
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Oh and the crescent you mentioned at the flash... please don't insult my flag.
The crescent and the star have nothing to do with religion, it's just a symbol. For example, Nazi Germany flag had swastika on the front, does that mean that they were Hindus?
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where did I insult your flag?
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You said something about the flag of my heritage (Dawlat'i Al-i Osmaniyyah - The Great Ottoman Empire)
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what did I say that insulted your flag? quote please.
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You said that the Crescent and the star meant that we believe that Allah is a moon god.
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NO. I said that some Non-Muslims want to attack Islam by spreading the lie that the crescent and the star represent the moon god. and I said that it is NOT true. the crescent has nothing to do with Islam. you misunderstood me, brother.
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Oh and they forgot one thing, Quran is over 600 pages.
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I'm gonna hide this comment.
why do you come to my page to propagate what the enemies of Islam said about prophet Mohammed -peace be upon him-?
May Allah guide you.
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Δ° just wanted to state that your point is right, sorry
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I understand your intention. and Jazaakum Allaahu khayran. but I think it's not very good to spread the filthy things these people say about our beloved prophet -peace be upon him-.
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Β La Illaha Β Ila Allah, Great Job Bro, You Will Go To AlJanna Insha allah
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Even I don't know much about Islam, I have all ways seen it as a religion of peace. It's sad how those few terrorists and media makes Islam to look a religion that is only about terrorism and violence. Also you got a very good point in this animation, it's really ridiculous when somebody can't argue properly and removes the context. I have seen very bad arguing on both ways; against something or for something, but you are doing it very well.
Thank you for this slideshow : 3
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we have all seen this before- in WW2. Β There were germans who told the Jews to stop being Nazi-o-phobic.Β
some fears are WELL-justified. Β It is not actually phobic to be afraid of a majority that really does want to kill you.
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this majority that really does want to kill you is in your own imagination. so this phobic of yours is WELL-UNJUSTIFIED.
you better stop watching sci-fi thriller movies and get real.
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use the buttons on the top right.
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you are very welcome.
I'm glad this was beneficial.
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Mashallah i learnt something new! 
i love the little characters, they r so cute!!
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