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Nayzak In reply to syakilah [2012-01-05 09:58:17 +0000 UTC]

we should repent and try our best again...

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AleX-33 In reply to TrueDesknight [2012-01-04 15:52:29 +0000 UTC]

(daft!!!! )

jesus is not god -Allah-
he is PROPET MESSENGER !
and also hee didn't die O.K?

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TrueDesknight In reply to AleX-33 [2012-01-05 03:08:33 +0000 UTC]

Wow, and I had a FEELING that this was going to happen, yet I thought people would actually be mature about it....

1) That, was a joke. Calm down.
2) Using a joke plzaccount that features Jesus, because an image of Muhammad is not allowed, and you immediately pull all of these arguments OUT OF NOWHERE involving religion is just sad when I haven't even said anything relating to religion. Listen, if you want to start a religious fight, or just a fight in general, I can show you some places on DA where you can do that. THIS, is not one of those places.
3) There are many Christians that do NOT believe Jesus is God, and there are some that do. The fact that you're trying to argue a statement of Christianity from a Muslim's stand-point is immediately ridiculous however. It's easier to say that the Jesus featured in Islam is different than the one of Christianity, than to say whether or not Jesus was God according to sacred texts. And no, there is nothing wrong with me saying that because IT MAKES SENSE, a CHRISTIAN, a disciple of JESUS, would naturally have more to say about the man than a MUSLIM, a disciple of MUHAMMAD. You want to say what Muhammad was like? Fine, that's the prophet whose teachings you most closely follow, you should know more. A Christian can then have more say over what Jesus was like since they study HIM more. Besides, after thousands of years of people arguing over Jesus' divinity, the fact this is being brought up is just silly. Of all the things you picked to start a fight, this? No, that just shows ignorance, I don't know much about Islam (why I look through Nayzak's stuff for now) so I keep my mouth shut until I become an expert. Do the same until you're an expert of Christianity. Moral of the day:
Know Your Audience~
4) The last thing is terribly worded and could be interpreted in many different ways. As in he didn't die on the cross? As in he's still 'alive' today? What is this?

Listen, I dunno' if you were having a bad day before this whole thing started, and I understand how that feels. But this kind of thing shouldn't happen. Or if you're legitimately ignorant to how other people think and behave.
If you were annoyed that day and it all led to this, I guess my post didn't help you much and I'm sorry. Just try to calm down and not try to start a fight online, let alone a religious fight.
If you're just being a troll, intentionally or otherwise, then I regret nothing.

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AleX-33 In reply to TrueDesknight [2012-01-10 11:53:24 +0000 UTC]

wait wait 0.0 do u know how my age?

15 old

no i don't wanna start a religious fight

"And [on account of] their saying: "We killed the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Messenger of Allah." They did not kill him and they did not crucify him, but it was made to seem so to them. Those who argue about him are in doubt about it. They have no real knowledge of it, just conjecture. But they certainly did not kill him.
(Surat an-Nisa, 157) "

okay okay i'll give u a links i wanna see all links

1) [link]

2) [link]

3)[link]

4)[link]

and Sorry If I can't answer you , I caan't answer you up to 6 days
because I have final exams in SCHOOL

in Tuesday i'll answer you

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TrueDesknight In reply to AleX-33 [2012-01-10 23:16:17 +0000 UTC]

Wow! You took that surprisingly well! Thank goodness you're not an idiot like me when I was confronted with that kind of reply! Glad to know you're in great control of your being, forgive me of my prior rudeness. I was setting up to a lesson that you already seem to know!

Hmm, so basically that Jesus is still alive, but that it was an illusion to the Romans, etc., etc. who set up his execution? That lines up greatly with what Christians would say, just worded differently~

Thank you for giving this information on what the Quran and Islam has to say on Jesus!

I understand that you have tests now, so do I so neither of us will be on here for long, heheh
HOPE YOU DO WELL!!!

One thing however, I highly recommend that you do not use that final video you linked me whenever speaking of Islam. The reason being that these "scientific miracles" are now under debate by the world. As more archeological information is released, people are learning of the true knowledge possessed by humans thousands of years into the past and there are holy books older than the Quran (Enoch for an example) that have similar knowledge as well as in ancient secular documents.
Not that it may be totally incorrect that Allah revealed such knowledge to Muhammad, however when speaking to those who are learned that claim is a probability rather than a fact to them. And such it is unlikely to persuade any minds.
Simply acquire more knowledge so that you may understand exactly what it is you believe in~

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AleX-33 In reply to TrueDesknight [2012-01-19 18:38:27 +0000 UTC]

HOPE YOU DO WELL!!!

Done without math

orgive me of my prior rudeness
Isay that you forgive me ,, not u I so sorryy

I'll forgive u don't tell me


so basically that Jesus is still alive, but that it was an illusion to the Romans, etc., etc. who set up his execution? That lines up greatly with what Christians would say, just worded differently~

wait ,WHO waanna the death of Jesus?,
Jews ..because they hate Jesus

God describes the Jews in quran say {and killed the Prophets without right} (Baqarah AIX 61)
Jews played in the mind of King of the Romans,and ofcourse all this words is alie !
then he said share for this man and kill him !!
and helped them is "Judas" cuz he knows everything about jesus and he hate him
that's why allah -God- made Judas instead of Jesus

yep he is alive allah -God- he created him RIGHT?
AND CREATED ALL THIS WORLD ALSO

SO GOD CAN MAKE ANY THING LIKE MAKING Jesus come down after 20000 years for the To die like all humans


One thing however, I highly recommend that you do not use that final video you linked me whenever speaking of Islam.

why Why Ican't use it?!

The reason being that these "scientific miracles" are now under debate by the world. As more archeological information is released, people are learning of the true knowledge possessed by humans thousands of years into the past and there are holy books older than the Quran (Enoch for an example) that have similar knowledge as well as in ancient secular documents.

wait,, did u know that we solve our problems from the holy Quran and Words ofthe prophet mohamad -peacebe upon him-?
look i'll give u a lot "proofs":-

1)God promised a guarantee that He will keep the Qur'an safe and protect it from replacement, misconstruction and changing , and that what we see today, all Muslims have the same copy of the Qur'an , so the Arabian Muslim read the same copy that an Indian, Chinese, American, European or Persian Muslim reads.
The simplicity in reciting Qur'an even to those non-Arabs.

2)and one miracle of the Qur'an is its meanings are consistent with each other, its laws are accorded and they support each other. So If it was not from God, there will be differences, contradictions in meanings and laws and some of its parts would show the invalidity of other parts. God says:
(أَفَلاَ يَتَدَبَّرُونَ الْقُرْآنَ وَلَوْ كَانَ مِنْ عِندِ غَيْرِ اللّهِ لَوَجَدُواْ فِيهِ اخْتِلاَفاً كَثِيراً) (النساء : 82 )
(Do they not then consider the Qur'an carefully? Had it been from other than God, they would surely have found therein many a contradiction.")(an-Nisa: 82)

3)If it was from prophet Mohammad how it comes with a threat and warning concerning himself, he would have hidden them, God says:
(وَلَوْ تَقَوَّلَ عَلَيْنَا بَعْضَ الْأَقَاوِيلِ . لَأَخَذْنَا مِنْهُ بِالْيَمِينِ . ثُمَّ لَقَطَعْنَا مِنْهُ الْوَتِينَ . فَمَا مِنكُم مِّنْ أَحَدٍ عَنْهُ حَاجِزِينَ) (الحاقة :44-47 )
( And if he had forged a false saying concerning Us(God), We surely would have seized him by his right hand, And then We certainly would have cut off his life artery, And none of you could have withheld Us from punishing him. Al-Haqqah 44-47 .


LOOK FOR THIS " [link] "

Not that it may be totally incorrect that Allah revealed such knowledge to Muhammad, however when speaking to those who are learned that claim is a probability rather than a fact to them. And such it is unlikely to persuade any minds.
Simply acquire more knowledge so that you may understand exactly what it is you believe in~

so ... u believe mohammad -Peace be upon him-؟
or what
do u know

Iwant peace in the world

but but this not happen ,even Jesus come down and make it happen

Jesus , i'm waiting for u

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TrueDesknight In reply to AleX-33 [2012-01-20 03:02:22 +0000 UTC]

Let's all forgive each other!

The Jews~~~ I suppose the situation was a bit more complex than that but I guess when it all boils down it's hard to not point the finger~
But many Jews did turn to Christianity (and possibly later to Islam), so I guess it's really not that group as a people.

Because of the explanation I put~ It's nice and devout however it's just a bit outdated with new historical knowledge being revealed.

1) I can't say with utmost certainty that what you're saying isn't true. However I can say with a great deal of confidence that SOMETHING was altered at SOME-POINT. From the Testaments, translations, all sorts of other religious texts have been changed at some point. It would seem a bit silly that the Quran is an exception considering Islam's political/religious history is much like other religions who have had their texts altered at some point. Whether they would like to admit it or not. I haven't gotten around to studying such information and the Quran yet, however given the patterns of other peoples and the pattern that Islamic societies have followed it seems a bit wild for Islam to be this divine exception. Also realize that the uniform Quran is an active human attempt in order to keep with that passage, done several centuries after the prophet's death. Giving a large time opening for alteration of text. Could it be true? Possibly, but its just that many before have ushered the same cry. The fact of translation is also a contradiction (albeit tiny) as some text MUST be changed in order to translate and Sufi missionaries REALLY messed around with the Quran message. Yet those were considered holy men~~~

2) Have to read the Quran myself before answering that. However, something to consider; If Allah and Yahweh are one in the same, then why some of the obvious differences between the Testaments and the Quran? Let alone the fact that the Testaments also contradict each other and themselves at several points, as well as the whole "lost writings" issue. Every single prophet Yahweh has sent either had an incomplete or corrupted (due to time) message except for Muhammad? Why?

3) So it basically says Allah/angels kinda' threatened Muhammad to tell the truth. Wow, that's really interesting actually. Of course, did he or didn't he "lie"? If I threaten to take your life, would I really do it? If I tell you that someone else has threatened my life, what of it then? Many would see that as truth while others would see it as a clever lie. It never happened, so it can never be known. Interesting argument, but a bit weak.

Link) Eh, poked around it for a bit. Feels a bit much after I read about "paper from Heaven" and what-not, the Quran was made by scribes who wrote what Muhammad said. Just, like, every, other, prophet. (major prophets at least) I think I'd rather read the Quran myself and go through what it says. If it is truly without contradiction, then it will be, there would be no need for any mediator to bring such knowledge to me. Then there would be no point to the Quran after all!

Well I have yet to truly hear/read his word for myself. However I don't see any reason for there to be any crazy lies involved.

Do I know what?

Many people want world peace, but how many are willing to pay the price for it?

When the holy one comes down and establishes a divine peace~~~

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AleX-33 In reply to TrueDesknight [2012-01-25 20:01:27 +0000 UTC]

yes it is true
everywhere bad people

Do you know what the holy Quran
The Quran: unique among Scriptures
The Quran is the most often-read book in the world. Revealed by God to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) in the 7th century, and revered by Muslims as being God's final Scripture and Testament, its words have been lovingly recited, memorized, and implemented by Muslims of every nationality ever since. The faithful are inspired, consoled often moved to tears by its eloquence and poetic imagery, especially when recited aloud. And yet, the Quran is unique in being the only Scripture that is free of scientific inaccuracies, whose historical authenticity can be verified, and whose text has been so carefully preserved that just one authorized version (in Arabic) exists. Approximately the length of the New Testament, the Quran is also the only holy book that can be memorized in its entirety by people of all ages and intellectual abilities - including non-Arabic speakers - which Muslims consider to be one of its miracles. We invite you to take a few minutes to learn something about a book that is the foundation of the world-view and culture of almost one-fourth of the people on this planet.
Muslims believe that the Quran is the very word of God Almighty: a complete record of the exact words revealed by God through the Archangel Gabriel to Prophet Muhammad (may the peace and blessings of God be upon him).
The Quran is the principle source of every Muslim’s faith and practice. It deals with all subjects that concern us as human beings, including wisdom, doctrine, worship and law; but its basic theme is the relationship between God and His creatures. At the same time, the Quran provides guidelines for a just society, proper human conduct and equitable economic principles.
“He (God) has sent down to you the Book (the Quran) with truth, confirming what was revealed before; And He sent down the Torah (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this as a guide to humankind; and He sent down the Criterion (the Quran).” (Quran 3:3-4)


"Kingdom of Saudi Arabia" ,Have a many minerals and riches and oli , and location its important
not only a place with sand

i saw a cartoon , was speaking about arabs !
made us LIVE IN THE "desert"
this is not true
we have a shopstechnologies and cars!
AND MADE A woman wearing a hajab , SHE'S ugly cuz she's wearing hijab , no no no I wear the hijab
i'm not ugly
cuz the boy is watching me i don't like that i'm not doll to them
u know the boys stronger than girls!!
See how EiDa said [link] i like this man he is great


Have to read the Quran myself before answering that. However, something to consider; If Allah and Yahweh are one in the same, then why some of the obvious differences between the Testaments and the Quran? Let alone the fact that the Testaments also contradict each other and themselves at several points,

I didn't understand!!

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becaus Mohammad -peace be upon him-last the prophets of God
and god said in the holy quran:{إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا الذِّكْرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُ لَحَافِظُونَ}.
it's mean allah revealed the Quran and save it until the end of the world!


So it basically says Allah/angels kinda' threatened Muhammad to tell the truth. Wow, that's really interesting actually. Of course, did he or didn't he "lie"? If I threaten to take your life, would I really do it? If I tell you that someone else has threatened my life, what of it then? Many would see that as truth while others would see it as a clever lie. It never happened, so it can never be known. Interesting argument, but a bit weak.

hhhhhhh no who say that ?

No one threatens to Muhammad peace be upon him
Quraish,do that,but god save him
the angel jabri'el helped him on the orders of God!


I will complete in the send note i have a lot words : (

cuz in now iam going to sleep Zzzz

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AleX-33 In reply to TrueDesknight [2012-01-25 15:21:39 +0000 UTC]

Oh boy
Ur ask is a lot
Just wait I'll loing from laptop
Cuz in know I use iPad

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AleX-33 In reply to AleX-33 [2012-01-25 16:23:45 +0000 UTC]

wthiout g

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AleX-33 In reply to AleX-33 [2012-01-25 16:22:34 +0000 UTC]

الحين لاب توب هههههههههههههههههههههههه

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AleX-33 In reply to AleX-33 [2012-01-19 18:45:13 +0000 UTC]

sooorrrrryyyy nayzak ..If i do that without permission
cuz it is your art
shouldn't tallkin' here

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TrueDesknight In reply to AleX-33 [2012-01-20 03:04:36 +0000 UTC]

Heheh, we can speak as we will, there is no strife between us and it pertains to the topic of the deviation.
I doubt he would mind and it doesn't seem that he's been paying attention to this deviation for a couple of weeks now.

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DubsRewatcher In reply to TrueDesknight [2012-01-05 03:49:37 +0000 UTC]

I thought you said a bunch of people were ganging up on you

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TrueDesknight In reply to DubsRewatcher [2012-01-05 03:56:05 +0000 UTC]

I only showed one comment, I never mentioned multiple people~

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DubsRewatcher In reply to TrueDesknight [2012-01-05 03:48:30 +0000 UTC]

holy crap

you just overreacted like a bitch

I thought you were trolling. You're just a bitch

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Nayzak In reply to DubsRewatcher [2012-01-06 15:56:15 +0000 UTC]

I appreciate you watch your mouth. foul language is not acceptable here.

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TrueDesknight In reply to DubsRewatcher [2012-01-05 03:58:09 +0000 UTC]

Meh, same thing in my world~
I just know that this is the kind of person to get into religious fights online like I did, and that's a LOT of wasted time and unneeded stress.

Meh, I guess I am bitchy, but we all have our reasons~

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AleX-33 In reply to AleX-33 [2012-01-04 15:52:54 +0000 UTC]

*he

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Nayzak In reply to jenatstare [2012-01-03 15:41:50 +0000 UTC]

Yeah. or "I believe in Roka". ^_^

but someone has to understand the meaning behind it. when we say "Allah believes in you", it means you should try your best not to disappoint him and make him feel that you don't deserve his trust. this is what someone has to keep in mind.

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jenatstare In reply to Nayzak [2012-01-03 20:35:40 +0000 UTC]

you said "Roka"!!.

Okay!,I will keep the high spirit to deserve this trust.

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Nayzak In reply to jenatstare [2012-01-04 05:58:33 +0000 UTC]

yes. I did.

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Nayzak In reply to RomeoLees [2012-01-03 15:00:22 +0000 UTC]

and what you didn't like about it?

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RomeoLees In reply to Nayzak [2012-01-03 16:10:23 +0000 UTC]

your drawings are nice, no one can give negative comments on it,,,, but the sentences that you added on arent much

Its not like we should believe in God because he believe in us,,,,
What is it that God believe in us?

You could've made it better,, like Believe in God because God want for you faith, Good or that God knows whats best for you, or because He is your creator, or because Allah wont order you with things that may harm you... and so on

but "God believes in you" seems like something weird to be saying

it can be only me,, but I think its not something God have a choice to do or not to,,, since he created us it isnt like he can disbelieve in something he created,,, Allah wont create anything pure evil at the end...

anyways keep up the good work
and take our comments to serve your work and raise it to the highest level

+ always when you quote ahadeeth, always quote Authentic ones!
^_- Peace bro

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Nayzak In reply to RomeoLees [2012-01-04 02:22:46 +0000 UTC]

do you know what does the word "belief" mean?

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RomeoLees In reply to Nayzak [2012-01-04 23:21:46 +0000 UTC]

wow,, thats far more than i've expected,,,
anyways sir,,, my comment isnt to point something wrong in the pic
its to make your words clearer and easier for the reader and not to put it in a place were people can hit right and left to understand without reading description

hope u understand
still I dont like this particular one XD
people differ, opinions differ,, our basic belief is one ^_^

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DaniRouge In reply to RomeoLees [2012-01-03 14:55:33 +0000 UTC]

why? O_o

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