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NazRigar β€” Future of the Great Plains?

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Description Now I read an article, On Newsweek [link]

The Europeans are doing something called, "Pleistocene Rewilding" at first I thought, WTF???

And then I read that introducing American beavers actually help Britain's dwindling wetland ecosystems. The article said beavers build dams needed for a wetland environment, but when humans intervened, it is becoming much harder to conserve these lands (no surprise though, humans have fucked up ecosystems, since 10,000 B.C)

And then I learned, Americans and Russians were already trying out these projects before the Europeans.
Here are two links

American: [link]

Russian: [link]

And then I thought to myself, this is suprisingly plausible.

The Americans already released the currently endangered (or to be more precise, Vulnerable) Bolson Tortoise. They are also introducing the mustang and wild boar (both considered vermin, especially in the south) into the Great Plains. And the upside is, they are feeling right at home. They are even introducing camelids, and in Australia, they found out that Dromedaries can go wild in weeks, that's faster than most feral horses. This raises confidence that camels can roam the states with ease.

The Russian's equivalent also involves cloning, on National Geographic, a frozen mammoth baby, had so much DNA, it helped scientists complete 70% of the Mammoth DNA sequence. Like the Americans, Horses have already been introduced, but also moose.

Now in my perspective this a very plausible, maybe a good idea. For example feral horses and wild boar are thriving, and became a nuisance, because the United States lacks animals swift and powerful enough to take down these animals. The Brown bear is too slow to catch horses, as mustangs not only have high stamina, but is much faster than the brown bear even though the bear can reach speeds of up to 26mph, plus the bear is an omnivore, eating large amounts plant material as well as meat. Wolfs and cougars are also inefficient at killing both the horse and the boar, they are social, the boar lives in groups about the same size as wolf packs and are stronger than both cougar and wolf, while horse is fast and has a kick strong enough to kill a cougar and a wolf.

Introducing animals that can kill fast, high stamina prey efficiently would help keep horse and pig population in check.

The United States would benefit having elephants in a way that they keep forests in check, as there is no herbivore that is strong enough or large enough to keep forest areas from becoming too large

Another benefit of rewilding is tourism, everybody loves to see big and exotic animals roam, especially children, and now since the animals they loved since childhood are in their own country instead of another continent, tourism would no doubt increase.

However I have one criticism, how will the current ecosystem cope with the new one?

Now lets see, since Russia's ecosystem is quite stable, lets use the United States for an example:

Large Herbivores:
Bison, Equids, Several kinds of deer

Large Carnivores/Omnivores:
Grey wolf, Brown and Black Bears, Cougar

The herbivores being introduced each have their own specific diet, so competition between them would be very minimal, carnivores on the other hand, are a completely different story.

I'm not worried with the bears, they are omnivorous, so they can adapt to any source of food available. They are also large and strong enough to cope with new large predators, in Russia, the brown bear has no problem competing with Siberian Tigers, and they fight back when tigers come to steal their kills. If lions were introduced, it is most likely that the large and intimidating bear would probably scare of the lions, or they just fight the lions.

I'm not worried with the cougar either, they are by far the most adaptable of the group, they can live anywhere in the United States. They can scavenge, they can hunt, they can stay away from trouble with ease, pretty much like leopards.

The wolf however, is going to find it very hard to survive. Contrary to the hardcore DA wolf fanboys/fangirls, wolves are the most vulnerable large predator in the US. In Russia, Tigers, actually wipe off wolves from the ecosystem, because they are larger, stronger, more aggressive, and can take on several enemies at once. Lions can do the exact same thing, however, they live in groups, increasing competition against the wolf. A major handicap to the wolf is that today, their packs aren't even half as large as they were in 11,000 B.C. These mixture of handicaps would make them almost incapable of competing with Lions.

So in a nutshell, Pleistocene Rewilding may seem like a good idea, but be careful, while one beast thrives, the other could fall.
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asari13 [2022-11-07 20:35:01 +0000 UTC]

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1fishmob [2018-01-10 16:34:17 +0000 UTC]

Wild boar never had a role to play in the USA, but lions, hyenas, horses, camels and tigers (which is probably the closest living equivalent to smilodon) do.Β  I personally think wolves and lions wouldn't compete to much.Β  Wolves, while they do hunt large hooved herbivores, they also supplement it with smaller animals like snowshoe hares, beavers, rabbits, mice and other small prey animals that, while lions will sometimes hunt, but don't mainly focus on.

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caspion161 [2015-03-16 20:39:48 +0000 UTC]

this may sounds unreal but when were gone this could happen beause if mankind would die out beause some zoo's aren't fully guarded exept for electricity and of course guns and stuff so the animals can escape and when that happens well you can get this and sadly this could have terrible consuquenes

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NazRigar In reply to caspion161 [2015-03-17 08:50:02 +0000 UTC]

Oh yeah! I remember that kind of stuff in History Channel's Life After People! I thought that stuff was SO interesting, and quite frankly, I think it could actually happen. Heck! In Florida there's already escaped Rhesus Monkies swimming the same waters with the gators... very surreal yet cool! And they're less damaging than the boars and pythons.

But yeah... These kind of stuff tend to have terrible consequences.

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caspion161 In reply to NazRigar [2015-03-17 10:51:28 +0000 UTC]

yeah i've watched that too altough the chances this happens is pretty small maybe if mankind would die out because of a disease and well most of them are bad for the ecosystem altough wild dogs aren't that dangerous well because there are wolves already so well those dogs would probably just look like dingoes etc etc (altough the little ones are doomed

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NazRigar In reply to caspion161 [2015-03-17 13:30:28 +0000 UTC]

Very small indeed! There is a chance certain wild dogs would fare better than others, though that depends on the environment. I actually believe if certain dogs live a certain a certain lifestyle for too long and no mixing between breeds we may actually get a glimpse of non-dingo feral dogs. Daschunds depsite their funny looking appearance are great hunting dogs, who can hunt a LOT of burrowing animals. Anatolian Sheepdogs are pretty cool too, with thousands of years of purebreeding. Imagine what happens give or take a few centuries. What impact would they have on their local ecosystem?

Funilly enough, I'm making a story out of this old pic! I REALLY hope I can make an animated short of how a coyote, in the future where humans seem to vanish, tries to survive where all sorts of animals have returned to the former United States wilderness. Jaguars in Arizona and Texas! Lions in California! Alaskan Siberian Tigers!

It's for potential ideas that I can pitch for an animated short for college.

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caspion161 In reply to NazRigar [2015-03-18 12:00:31 +0000 UTC]

don't forget the caucasian shepherd, the german shepherd, husky and that kind of wolves those dogs got a pretty big chance and then you get a canadian lion or a new american lion or a european lion too it may would look like the ice age altough if the caucasian shepherd would mate with other dogs you would get very big dogs

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NazRigar In reply to caspion161 [2015-03-19 19:39:15 +0000 UTC]

It's breathtaking at just how many possibilities there are in such a future! I'm especially interested in character interactions between different breeds of dogs who clearly are very different (like that caucasian shepherd... WOW THAT'S BIG) to the main protagonist. Ooh, speaking of shepherds, I wonder what will happen to the environment when predators try to hunt a sheep herd, only to be harassed by the sheepdogs... ESPECIALLY the Kangal/Anatolian Sheepdog. They're so good they don't breed with almost any other dog breeds, and without humans to regulate how big the dog pack should be, that's A LOT of dogs to get through...

So much possibilities!

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caspion161 In reply to NazRigar [2015-03-20 12:33:55 +0000 UTC]

yeah so many ways to die and all of them are able to change the future

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mexicanzilla [2013-11-18 04:29:20 +0000 UTC]

as long as it does not nd up like australia and a certain uncarismatic toad...

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masonday [2012-01-10 18:28:46 +0000 UTC]

Cool

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f14ace [2011-06-10 06:49:07 +0000 UTC]

Sorry, but introducing non-native animals into an environment is not only a stupid idea, it has backfired time and time again. We don't need lions an elephants running around loose in North America and there is no way in hell this will ever get the approval of the public.

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Meerkatmatt2 In reply to f14ace [2012-11-16 22:16:53 +0000 UTC]

well the idea of rewilding is to introduce animals that take up similar niches to other prehistoric animals that used to live there, we should start with animals driven out of their historical home ranges before introducing new species. also elephants and rhinos in Australia is a stupid idea.

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NazRigar In reply to f14ace [2011-06-10 07:20:57 +0000 UTC]

Actually yeah, I know. This is a much older deviation from when I was more ignorant on the subject.After learning about Australia... I think it's best to keep things the way they were... Cane Toads are a bitch.

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f14ace In reply to NazRigar [2011-06-10 08:03:03 +0000 UTC]

Besides, why would we need grazers and such from other continents? We have native grazers (bison) readily available over here. We've already got enough invasive species to deal with (African bees, Asian carp, European starlings and blackbirds, iguanas and pythons in Florida, etc...) Australia has problems with rabbits, which have no natural predators over there.

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NazRigar In reply to f14ace [2011-06-10 10:01:50 +0000 UTC]

Which is strange really, for a country known as "The Death Zone", it has no large predators to counteract rabbits. It's kind of sad that people a lot of times call Aussies "savages" for daring to kill therabbits, when no one gives a damn that their only trying to do so because they have no other alternatives to preserve their already dwindling populations of marsupials and reptiles. Why do those people make such a large complain so much about rabbit deaths, but have absolutely no qualms about the killings of the equally invasive and annoying Cane Toads? Is it because they're "uglier"?

And oh about the Africanized bees? Yeah... I just watched a documentary on Animal Planet about them, there's a reason why their called KILLER BEES. And just to be curious, are Iguanas really an invasive species? I understand the pythons, and even then for all the fight they put up, American Alligators and Crocodiles there are still very dominant, but iguanas? What ecological imbalance are they creating?

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TeamArtists [2010-11-23 19:24:42 +0000 UTC]

Mark: U gonna draw more paleo-art?

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NazRigar In reply to TeamArtists [2010-11-27 16:33:22 +0000 UTC]

Sorry for the long response... but yeah most likely. I love paleontology related material!

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KilldeerCheer [2009-12-13 04:51:44 +0000 UTC]

I don't know... the wolves may have a chance.

During the Pleistocene, I'm sure the dire wolves could compete with American lions and Saber-toothed cats...

I don't know?

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NazRigar In reply to KilldeerCheer [2009-12-15 11:44:24 +0000 UTC]

Hmmm... possibly, but remember Dire wolves were much stockier than today's wolves.

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KilldeerCheer In reply to NazRigar [2009-12-16 21:54:22 +0000 UTC]

True.

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FakaPokeBio [2009-04-19 14:38:10 +0000 UTC]

Ahhhh North America a few thousand to a million years ago, (I think) the realm of cheetahs.
This is amazing. I think there are some animals that can survive such events. Like wolverines and coyotes. Wolverines are small but are like bears and can even scare some bears away. They also can and take on wolf packs. Because coyotes are spreading all over the continent and are becoming extremely successful.

That's all I can write correctly.

I'm a much better speaker.

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NazRigar In reply to FakaPokeBio [2009-04-20 14:19:12 +0000 UTC]

I guess when the coyotes and wolverines are having no trouble with the new guys, wolves are getting a tough time, in fact I bet lions killing wolves would be a coyote's dream.

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FakaPokeBio In reply to NazRigar [2009-04-20 23:39:06 +0000 UTC]

They'd be opening bottles of some alcoholic beverage in honor of the lions.

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SOIRUN [2009-04-19 14:03:56 +0000 UTC]

well that's nothing new to me,and this is not the first time they planned these proejects but to me most of the reintroductions as you said that they could fall,like for example: a specie of river shrimp(this specie was very foΒ‘undamental as food source of some species of fishes) that lived in a natural park in spain,the biologist thought that if they introduce the "american cousin"of that shrimp would be better..but they were wrong.But it's not a bad idea to reintroduce species,but also you should have to reintroduce the predators to have them in check.
I'm lucky that my country isn't doing that.(because in the pleistocene my country was like the african savannah,with tigers,lions and lots of herbivores)
Oh and cool pic btw.

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