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Adeptus Mechanicus or Dark Mechanicus?
Sometimes i honestly can't tell the difference
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the dark mechanicus does have pointy ends here and there
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And chaos stars... I presume I don't fucking know
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This is awesome. Love that tattered red cloak.
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I would NOT want to undergo any surgery in the 41st millennium.
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Sweet Magos Biologis.
I wonder if he's Adeptus or Dark Mechanicus? That seems to be a mutant/cultist he's operating on, and the man is not well restrained.
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Of course he is Dark Mechanicus! i mean look at it!!!! he forgot to light the holy incense, or apply the sacred oils! I can't tell in a still image, but safe to assume he is also not re-sighting the songs of mending in binary chant.
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Well, all those things could be off-panel! We don't know!
And I'd always assumed the DarkMech had swapped most of their holy chants for "Fuck Mars, seriously, screw those guys, who needs them".
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Some do, some don,t... depends on the Hertek. A good example of how different Herteks can vary; A good example of this is Noman Ryne; he is a non choas worshipping heretek, but is also for the free distrubution of information. So he is basically a person running around teaching unsantioned lessions of the machine to people.
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I wasn't referring to Hereteks in general, but Dark Mechanicus specifically. The Dark Mechanicus is limited to the rebel branch that was essentially dragged along with the Chaos Space Marines to keep all their gear running in the giant pit of unreality where they live (and boy, those guys must have it rough). Although I'm sure even the DarkMech has numerous different sects and sub-cults depending on what Legion they're most closely aligned with, Chaotic leaders they've fallen in with, and random acts of Warp-muckery that might have influenced their teachings.
I'm pretty sure hating Mars and the Loyalists who absurdly claim the Emperor is the Omnissiah is a requirement to join up with the Dark Mechanicus.
Of course, there are countless other "Hereteks" who would be ordinary Techpriests but for some political foible or minor dispute with Martian dogma - it's a pretty big galaxy - but most of those wouldn't be caught dead stitching up a Chaos cultist.
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I think the Dark Mechanicus is just a misunderstanding. I think any group or cult of Hereteks would be considered working in the Dark Mechanicus, even thoa there not a unified force or even friendly to each other. I think it is just a Adeptus Mechanicus form of branding applied to where ever, however i will acknowledge original Dark Mechanicus was "Founded" by the initial tech priests who followed Horus into chaos, but its just a superficial tittle applied to Traitors of the machine god i think.
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Ah, maybe from the perspective of the Adeptus Mechanicus, but then they have a vested interest in casting out and eliminating any group that might threaten their tech monopoly. So it's completely understandable that they'd label any Heretek with "Dark Mechanicus: shoot in face, thank you".
The Dark Mechanicus is very much a thing and identifies themselves as such. Aside from the Iron Warriors, which are very closely allied to them, they also function independently from the Chaos Space Marines that have to trade them protection, bodies and material for their help. Ultimately they're the ones who manage the limited technological resources within the Eye of Terror and keep the equipment working for the Chaos Space Marines, most of whom don't even realize that you can't fix every single machine with a wrench-axe and that one servo arm that Techmarines have mounted on their backpacks. They also control the Chaos Titan Legios, which is pretty much the only reason that they haven't been fully absorbed into the Legions as servants.
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Cool, I think the Techmarines of chaos are Called Warp Smiths; but besides that, I actually didn't know most of that.
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Yeah, the Techpriests are Warpsmiths, and they enjoy a lot more prominence than in the Loyalist Chapters (again, because it's so hard to build and maintain stuff without the resources of the full Adeptus Mechanicus and Imperium behind them), but there aren't enough of them to do everything themselves. The Chaos Legions have thousands of machines, weapons, buildings, and entire space vessels to build and maintain; too many for the all the actual Astartes to manage even if they were all proficient with technology. Just like every Imperial Guard and Space Marine Chapter has a forge world supplying all their necessary equipment and vehicles, the Chaos Legions depend on the Dark Mechanicus to keep their war machines running and even creating new Chaos Space Marines.
So when the AdMech labels someone a Dark Mechanicus agent, they're probably just trying to get that guy killed as quickly as possible with no questions... but if they're right...
Well, the DarkMech does some pretty nasty stuff, as expected of any Chaos-aligned force. Daemonic engines, obviously, but also plenty of sexy forbidden experiments with xenotech and true AI.
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Ah, I see... I don't really know to much about the Dark mechanicus of chaos.
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As strange as it is to admit it after spewing all that information, neither do I. There's very little canon writing about the DarkMech.
I've always assumed that's because GW writers haven't exactly figured out where the DarkMech stand religiously in regards to Chaos. The Warpsmiths get a pass, because they serve the Legions, who all had their own reasons for turning traitor. The humans that followed the Legions did so because they'd have been killed and were easily influenced and replaceable. The Mechanicus doesn't really have either excuse, since their only beef with the Emperor was that he shut away a bunch of technology and declared it forbidden. Their devotion is to the Omnissiah first and always, and I've never seen a WH40K book that explains, or even mentions, the Omnissiah's relationship with the Dark Pantheon, or any theories thereof.
So they're really super-mysterious and stuff. We only know that they exist, and they're the ones that the Imperium has to thank for Chaos Titans being a thing.
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Man, that reminds me... wasn't there a rumor that the Omnissiah is really the C'tan god the Void Dragon? so it is all confusing if you ask me... there just Tech priests... because, Why not.
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Yeah, and there was even a book that touched on that (Mechanicum). But then it turned out that the Dragon was a literal dragon that got its tail whupped by the Emperor back in the Dark Ages (the real-world Dark Ages, not the future Dark Ages) and imprisoned on Mars and really didn't have anything to do with the Omnissiah, I guess? Also, there was a robot that killed people. It was weird.
And all THAT was before the C'tan got retconned into being glorified attack dogs of the Necrons rather than the overlords. So I'm pretty comfortable writing off Void Dragon entirely, particularly when it concerns Chaos worshipers (who don't care about the C'tan).
It's extremely confusing, but that's kind of what I like about the lore. It's like you're really trying to piece together the truth of an entire galaxy based on scraps of legend and disparate battle reports, exactly as an actual resident of the Grim Darkness would. Is the Emperor really a god? Probably not, but this chick totally repelled a daemon by invoking his name once. Are the Chaos Gods actual gods? Probably, but then again they have to be born of the swilling emotions of mortals, just like ordinary daemons, who nobody thinks of as gods.
It's all tantalizingly complex.
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True dat, I seen many things in lore that is Fact, some that is fuzzy and confusing, and flat out Head cannons. I personally think that the dragon imprisoned on mars is the C'Tan Void dragon. And is in fact the Omnissiah... mostly cause that would be the most interesting plot twist if it ever comes to reality. Just imagine the Adaptes Mechanicus splintering again as loyalties between the emperor and the Omnissiah are chosen in a bloody revolution. And picture how the rest of the imperium would react to this... or maby the Adaptus tries to keep this revolution quiet cause they know what would happen if it gets out. Man something like that would be epic... shame it would never happen...
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It WOULD actually prompt the AdMech to take a more active role in the 40K galaxy, which might actually prompt GW to release an Adeptus Mechanicus army.
The odd thing about the Dragon on Mars being the Omnissiah is just... there's no immediate reason to make that connection. The Dragon isn't some sort of mechanical wonder, and humanity wasn't blessed by any technological age of prosperity or anything while the Dragon was supposedly on Earth. It possessed no apparent traits that one would expect (and want) from a Machine God. C'tan or not, I could never find any reason why any Techpriest might think the Void Dragon is the Omnissiah, especially after reading Mechanicus. In the book the Dragon was just some creature that had been imprisoned long ago on Mars, and all the neat forbidden stuff used by the traitors was all Chaos-tainted technology locked away in a completely different vault.
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Well the theoretical idea behind that theory is that the C'tan VoidDragon is an embodiment of extremely advance Technology, so it is not out of the question to assume the Machine Cult (who worship machines) would be influenced by the Void Dragons presence. the only holes in this theory is that the adeptus mechanicus hates necrons and there tech; but you could argue that if the void dragon is the Omnissiah, that the Techpriests of mars simply forgot that detail in lore over the 1000's of years. But that is Head Cannon territory.
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Well, the AdMech hates xenotech basically as a rule imposed on them by their alliance with the Imperium; hatred of aliens and their machines is simply the dogmatic standard, and breaking that is one of the most common heresies within the AdMech. So anyone who would commit as serious a heresy as worshiping the Void Dragon wouldn't be swayed by the fact that it was a non-human (even within the orthodox cult, there are many who doubt that the Omnissiah was the Emperor, or a human like the Emperor).
What seems weird to me is that there just doesn't seem to be anything about the Void Dragon worth worshiping for a tech cultist. Is it an extremely advanced technology? Nobody really knows, but there aren't any other accounts of Techpriests falling in to worship other astounding examples of Necrontyr tech, most of which might as well be divine magic to them. The Void Dragon certainly doesn't do anything for the Adeptus Mechanicus, unlike the Emperor and His Imperium. And unlike Warp entities, C'tan aren't capable of receiving mortal prayers and granting power in answer, so any prayers to the Void Dragon is guaranteed to do jack diddly. So what's "Tech God-like" about it, besides it being an incredibly powerful being that has something (maybe) to do with technology?
I really wish Matt Ward hadn't mucked up the C'tan lore. He probably set Mechanicum heresy back two thousand years.
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Hmmm... shall we agree this is all Matt's fault then, and call it that?
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The Void Dragon? Well, technically, that was never his idea, but yeah, sure, we can do that.
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But any plan the Void dragon was origenally in was probably Dropped when the Necrons were Retconned.
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Unless they're making a whole NEW plan which explains it in a different way.
There was a new branch of books by Graham McNeil that focused more on the Mechanicus; I read the first one, Priests of Mars, but haven't gotten to the sequel.
It's extremely strange following the development of the Horus Heresy while constantly dipping back into events happening 10,000 goddamn years later.
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I found this image on google when i was looking around for example on augmetics and things. I am highly impressed with this... LOVE IT!
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I would have accepted 'fantastic' or 'amazing'...but 'fantastically amazing'? That is ridiculous.
Thanks!
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Okay that is an awesome new face design for a tech priest
I mean it's still techpriest-y but a refreshing change
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I think you've perfectly captured the lore of the tech priests with this piece, as well as showing us a glimpse of the dark truth of technology in 41st millenium, excellent work.
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wow....just.....wow........I can't even say.....
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Spectacularly creepy, this illustration really captures the inhuman feeling of the tech-priests from the original rulebook.
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hmm. the dead guy looks like one of the Dark Vengeance cultists...
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The thing that the ....other thing are whatever he does looks like he's scavenging that dead thing with horns on....and claws....but its very good but to me its just th ecreepiest warhammer related thing i've ever seen....
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I always thought that this guys are one of the most creepiest of the characters Warhammer 40000. You never know what they are thinking because they have no face. You never feel what they feeling. They have no emotions. They are standing between cold and pragmatic machine and faithful and zealous fanatic.
Thanks for awesome art, ning!
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