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arbiter690 [2015-11-21 22:18:02 +0000 UTC]
What is Azog's relations and feelings among other Orc tribes (Moria, Gundabad, Dol Guldor, Misty Mountains) he rules, the Goblins who also dwell in Moria, Gundabad, and the Misty Mountains (Goblin-town), Ogres, and Trolls since all served him in the Battle of Five Armies and possibly longer for some before Sauron's calling at Dol Guldor?
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NinkSkoir In reply to arbiter690 [2015-11-22 02:55:13 +0000 UTC]
Azog himself is from Gundabad so I feel like he slowly gained status spreading his influence over the neighboring tribal lands, finally reaching Moria. Having an able leader as such some would probably welcome him with open arms. I think I lean towards not inheritance of status but definitely more as in earning it in his case. As for Goblin town they seem to have an agreement, co-existing cooperatively.
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arbiter690 In reply to NinkSkoir [2015-11-22 04:15:38 +0000 UTC]
Thanks and I thought maybe after losing his hand with at those times with much reason losing a hand would also be considered a death sentence if not treated properly to prevent a bleeding out should a critical artery be cut and also by infection of disease would have either another rival Orc or Goblin seeking the power and influence he wields from Gundabad to Moria in addition to being in favor of the Dark Lord as he's slowly returning.
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arbiter690 In reply to NinkSkoir [2015-11-22 18:59:12 +0000 UTC]
Considering Sauron is the Deceiver who crafted the many rings of power to be controlled by his own personal ring, made a deal with Smaug, learned all he could from Morgoth his predecessor and was his acolyte, and that he turned the 9 human kings into the Nazgul through blinding them with greed it's no surprise he would and it would make sense and also providing an opportunity to not only fulfill what he swore, but to also exact revenge for that was sighted in the movies well. It could also be first words and if he was stubborn still a show of force and making examples out of a few of his warriors might do the trick considering the facts that Sauron cares little for the Orcs other than needing their numbers for his war on Middle Earth. And I didn't have a chance to count how many Orcs were helping the wounded Azog, but I did see them regardless and thought it was only a few since many were focused in the battle against the Dwarven army. For another question I ask how did he come into possession of a white Gundabad warg? I've been wondering that since it is rare among other wargs and most likely difficult to find and train than other wargs.
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NinkSkoir In reply to arbiter690 [2015-11-23 17:37:35 +0000 UTC]
The White Warg is a Matriarch. Usually it's a position to be born into in our world, but it's ME so could be totally different. Since in my opinion Azog earned his status perhaps so did she alongside him. Orcs and their Wargs have special connection, a bond, alike a life long friend. Besides remember Wargs speak too! I would imagine he got her at birth, jus a tiny pup and they grew up together. The unusual color of her fur only emphasizes more Azog's uniqueness. Also perhaps just like in our world some hair colors or animals furs are more rare and so is Daisy in Middle Earth. They aren't albino's neither of them, they don't have red eyes or hyper sensitivity to the Sun.
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arbiter690 In reply to NinkSkoir [2015-11-24 03:15:09 +0000 UTC]
True and really interesting, however for those "evil" races they don't only have be albino to detest and be harmed by the sun for since many (if not all, I'm trying to figure it out) all have great disadvantages for because they were Morgoth's creations and because they were such "evil" and corrupt creatures, they were never being able to stand light, feared it so and need to be under the cover of darkness to move freely such as at night, what Sauron did in order to have his army lay siege to Minas Tirith, or even very large swarms of Bats blotting the sun so they won't be hindered by it (last part was upset that they didn't use another group of bats for that purpose as was done in the book). They have also other ways of getting around such as using the Were-worms as showed in the film and developed tunnel making and underground living away from the light which is perfect for Orcs and Goblins alike and understandable why they benefit a lot from living in the old Dwarven ruins and lost kingdoms. The Orcs and Goblins feared the Sun and were weakened by it and due to this rarely traveled under it unless it was blocked somehow or were not as held back by it. The Uruk-hai were the exception to this and were not weakened by it and could travel while it was in the sky during the day without being weakened by the sun, although they didn't like the light of the Sun, they could withstand it better than other Orcs (but as the Battle of Helms Deep intensifying of the light can blind them temporary, ). This was different for the others of it was the major weakness of at least some Trolls for if exposed to sunlight they turned to stone. Only the later trolls known as the Olog-hai were able to move under the Sun, but were wiped out in the 4th Age. The Great Spiders were known to detest light like the Orcs and Goblins, yet they thirsted for it and sought to devour it. This gave their enemies (Humans, Elves, Dwarves, and Hobbits) both reasons to be glad of, but also more reason to fear when the skies darken and they become targets to threats such as an Orc raid in a large number, a frightening number of Trolls, or a massive swarm of Goblins for any poor sap decided foolishly to build a settlement close enough to attack it with ease. This had been a problem for all of those listed here since they were first created in the 1st Age.
Aside from that I'm really curious of the relations of the Gundabad Orcs and their Wargs considering that while there are other Warg riders, but these I think that these are in comparison the Rohirrim since both value their rides and base much of their life around them as they are one; the rider and mount, partners with strong bonds. I would also like to know if they had tales of their own such as the fact that there were those truly known as wolf-riders (I think Goblins would still ride wolves and giant arthropods such as the Great Spiders and Scorpions (yes those two were first shown doing so in the Battle for Middle Earth II games/expansions but I really loved those games and its stories))and of the victories, defeats, histories, and etc. It would be another great opportunity to explore their culture and perspective of the known events through their eyes and what they thought of them and even the other forms of life they lived alongside with whether "good", "evil", or "neutral" since it's not as much explored as well.
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NinkSkoir In reply to arbiter690 [2015-11-25 16:48:38 +0000 UTC]
In tBotFA it was cloudy but then sunny as well and none appeared to be bothered by it, including the trolls and others. Also Azog seemed to not care about the sunlight whatsoever and remember in AUJ Yazneg pursued the group on the sunny day same when they got to Beorn's house... But yes the cave goblins appeared to not follow the company out the cave... And judging by the small, scrawny statutes perhaps they've been through some sort of inbreeding where each offspring born is weaker thus the inherent Sun issue. All except the Big G, he is huge. But still has some health issues XD.
Uruk-hai were also half human so perhaps that's the reason. Or whatever Saruman did...
Orcs also may hunt at night because they have excellent night vision.
I think everyone noticed how Azog treated his Warg. He pets her, talks to her, feeds her and even keeps her out of the danger of the battle... There is love, respect and a definite bond. I like your comparison to Rohirrim and their horses. And the bond happens naturally and it's lifelong. I do believe Azog grew up with his Warg. Also Gundabad Wargs are different as well! (Gandalf takes note of it!) They are bigger and much faster. Higher altitude - bigger lungs...
Every culture and race does have tales and I do so wish Tolkien put more into that. I believe they did. Orcs value battle prowess, experience and despite what's believed loyalty. (Also their females!) The Warg would never leave its master behind and vice versa. Same goes for real warriors. I believe also the reason many scatter in BotfA is because loosing the great leader as such is beyond belief and couldn't be fathomed by many.
Definitely would be of great interest to know everything from the Orcish perspective!
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arbiter690 In reply to NinkSkoir [2015-11-26 00:15:01 +0000 UTC]
All agreed, but note I said some of the Trolls were affected from the sun and the films diverted from the books in certain aspects which changes some/many things, whether they were good or bad changes is for fans and other to decide. I personally was upset for there were bats, but none were being used to block the sun and no massive armies of Goblins from the Misty Mountains save for the Goblin Mercenaries as both troops and as crew for the catapults (they had opportunities of bringing back certain goblin designs and weapons from the Fellowship of the Ring and even taking a look in the Battle for Middle Earth II for more ideas, but missed to expand on the image of an army of Orcs and Goblins side by side). I felt much of the information that was known and made by Tolkien was being ignored for not real good reasons, but was glad they included the Goblins, Wargs, and Bats in that battle as in the book. Goblins were a smaller breed of Orcs and were much more tribal than the Orcs in their communities and will hunt down whether by day or night the killers of their chieftain.The goblins of the Misty Mountain have a more flesh-colored skin and seem to be afflicted with various skin diseases and deformations that include hair lips, mismatched or skewed eyes, stunted growth, and crooked-growing fingernails, yet The goblins of Moria have a very green-colored skin tone compared to their Misty Mountain cousins with larger pointier ears and huge bulbous eyes that reflect their nature as cave creatures. Wished to see both variations in the battle to show more Goblin diversity and more of a picture of the Goblins than just of them and Goblin-town.
Also with the connection between Azog and his Warg, it almost puts to disbelief that they were an evil breed of demonic wolves, suggesting that they were inhabited by evil spirits, especially since the origin of this breed is unknown (perhaps they were among the creatures bred by Morgoth in the Elder Days) though despite that they were not ordinary wolves for, as Gandalf remarked, that the carcasses of the dead Wargs slain when they attacked the Fellowship as they traveled to Moria during the night were gone the next morning. More insight into the Warg species needs to be known along with a great many things that are ignored. So far two breeds of Wargs are seen in the films; the eastern Wargs seen in the Lord of the Rings trilogy are noticeably more hyena-like in appearance. According to what I found an eastern Warg measures about 5 feet at the shoulder, and could be up to eight feet in length from snout to hindquarters. The head has a short muzzle full of huge fangs, small eyes set on the sides of the head and ears at the back of the skull. This arrangement gave greatest sensory range while keeping its vulnerable areas protected, and the long prehensile neck gives it reach, flexibility and power when biting into flesh. There the forelegs when muscled hump above them, allowing it to move at high speeds to tackle potential prey. Apart from its ruff, the Warg had short dense fur, which would have kept injury from tooth and claw to a minimum. Not all damage could have come from the men and beasts it was attacking; Wargs were ferocious and could quickly turn on other members of their pack as well as their handlers. Coloration and patterning of the fur doesn't seem to vary throughout the breed. Powerful haunches and a dewclaw allowed the warg to climb. The Gundabad Wargs were more wolf-like, had more varying colors of fur, and a faster breed of Warg and (by my observation) are more bonded and organized with their pack than the Eastern Wargs. This was what I could find on the wiki and to me it still seems less and much more to learn about. Another thing I learned that Azog's Warg was killed in the Battle of Five Armies, but I not sure I saw its body anywhere (must be in the extended edition) on the battlefield or on Ravenhill so maybe it was assumed dead and went rouge, returned home, hunted, or died of wounds. Either way I was both glad cause it was a mighty foe and at the time I viewed it as my enemy, but also sad by its lost as a rare creature and the world may never see its like again.
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arbiter690 In reply to NinkSkoir [2015-11-27 21:58:56 +0000 UTC]
The Bats were in the book as well and used for both blotting the sun and its light and providing aid for the Goblins to attack from the skies which worked until the Great Eagles killed so many Bats that the sun broke through causing the Goblins and their forces to retreat in addition to the death of Bolg killed by Beron after he mortally wounded Thorin. Legolas' appearance should have been limited in the second movie since the Company were Held in the Woodland realm where he does live and is son to the Elven King Thranduail and unless there was a more true reason from his continued appearance in the third movie he could remain there as well, otherwise no. Tauriel should've had a much more better role as either a Commander or a General during that and put more into her so she stands out more and truly be an amazing character despite not appearing in the book in addition to keeping the relationship as JUST friends with mutual respect instead of a forced romance. I'll miss that Warg (wish I knew the matriarch's name if the Orcs do name their Wargs as Humans and Elves name their Horses), but would she be alright with Rimkaur since she was mated to Azog? She could possibly be her rider right in honor of her former partner for they are a pack?
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arbiter690 In reply to NinkSkoir [2015-11-28 02:34:51 +0000 UTC]
It will be as painful as to the image of Thorin's funeral in my mind when I read the book and in the extended edition when I saw it again there, but it will be worth it for both sides must be hurting once again after the end of the war between the Dwarves and Orcs at the Battle of East Moria with Azog losing his left hand and many Orc warriors and for the Dwarves for both the high casualty count, the death of their king, and the disappearance and capture of Thorin's father when Azog recognized he was wearing the last Dwarven ring of power and brought him to Dol Guldur where they not only acquired it and have now in total 3 Dwarven rings of power, but tortured him physically and mentally for a very long time. I wonder if Rimkaur will be fortunate enough to acquire the bodies of both Azog and Bolg before they are lost forever (or at least something of theirs since their bodies might be harder to save considering they would be burned along with the others or lost)?
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LinnScarlett [2015-08-22 22:28:45 +0000 UTC]
Wow, that's really incredibly for a first digital colouring! I really need to step up my game! Love the dramatic shading in particular.
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NinkSkoir In reply to LinnScarlett [2015-08-22 22:58:03 +0000 UTC]
Thank you so much dear! I am quite proud of him
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WingOfDestruction [2015-08-20 06:21:18 +0000 UTC]
Oh, my sweet Jesus!!! XD You're improving so fast!I love all the details and you girl should definitely start drawing colorful drawings!! XD You rock!
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NinkSkoir In reply to WingOfDestruction [2015-08-20 15:41:12 +0000 UTC]
Oh wow you just made my day girly!!! Means so much you say that, makes me so happy!
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Marin1233 [2015-08-13 08:07:23 +0000 UTC]
WOW!!!! He looks really cool here!! I like how the armour is turned out!! And the background!!!! It's absolutely amazing!! The sky matches his stern face expression and pose very well!!
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NinkSkoir In reply to Marin1233 [2015-08-13 15:44:58 +0000 UTC]
Awww thank you my darling! I'm so glad it turned out so! I really wanted to make it matching and with a bit of mystery! (Those two last emojis !! )
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NinkSkoir In reply to Mitheriel [2015-08-12 17:58:41 +0000 UTC]
Thank you so much my dear! I'm so happy it turned out that way!
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darksidentic [2015-08-11 20:59:03 +0000 UTC]
This is great! He looks so real, I swear he just blinked! You are really good with coloring!
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NinkSkoir In reply to darksidentic [2015-08-11 21:07:27 +0000 UTC]
Oh my goodness, THANK YOU SO MUCH deary! He blinked! Aww I love this compliment!
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darksidentic In reply to NinkSkoir [2015-08-11 21:33:57 +0000 UTC]
Well it's true! Few more pictures and he will just jump out of screen!
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SentinelSpockNimoy [2015-08-11 20:33:17 +0000 UTC]
I love how his armor/tunic/whatever you want to call it emphasized his large, muscular build, while also making him look important, like more than just a brute strength grunt, but also a smart cunning leader. Very true to his character.
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NinkSkoir In reply to SentinelSpockNimoy [2015-08-11 20:48:53 +0000 UTC]
Totally agree! I loved his armor too, fitted his body perfectly and was unique in its way, that neck detail is badass!
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SentinelSpockNimoy In reply to NinkSkoir [2015-08-11 20:51:56 +0000 UTC]
Yes. Yes it is.
Badass white orc is badass. Just seeing Azog angry would make the fighting Uruk-hai wet themselves (now that would be amusing to see)
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NinkSkoir In reply to SentinelSpockNimoy [2015-08-11 20:56:48 +0000 UTC]
Haha I second that as well! They flee for the hills after a single 'Azog's signature furious stare'!
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SentinelSpockNimoy In reply to NinkSkoir [2015-08-11 21:02:05 +0000 UTC]
Azog: "And all I said was that I hate Mondays." (who doesn't?)
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SentinelSpockNimoy In reply to NinkSkoir [2015-08-13 17:17:18 +0000 UTC]
(just saw Movie Sauron in all his armored badassery and is busy hugging him and squealing like a fangirl)
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