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"Holly Granger" commissioned by Warren Griffin.Character belongs to DC Comics.
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I really hated that they killed her off and brought back Hank Hall. All he did was act like a bad tempered big baby, smashing things for no real reason. He should have stayed dead, and Holly should have lived.
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oh don't get me started...
Killing Holly would have been fine if Hank and Dawn were written in any form of competent and well BASIC HUMAN REACTION
The Last time Hank saw Dawn... She was DEAD
How does Geoff write their relationship Hank is an irrationally violent asshole to EVERYONE including Dawn'THE ONE PERSON HE SHOULDN'T BE' and Dawn just a braindead bimbo constantly making excuses for Hank who isn't allowed to have redeeming qualities
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Don't get you started?
That boob couldn't write good characters even if he had a guideline!! Thanks to his amateur skills, Hank didn't even seem happy to see Dawn alive and well, instead he becomes what you just said. And Dawn being a brain dead bimbo? She didn't even mourn her sister's death! She should have harbored some anger towards Hank and he should be trying to make things right but nooooo!!
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It's not really a case of Johns having amateur skills; he just doesn't have any to begin with. Holly (a character of his OWN CREATION) isn't the only character Johns has completely blundered. Remember Rose Wilson/Ravager? In the 90's Marv Wolfman did a reasonable job developing her from a character who was completely reliant on her father, Deathstroke, to a character who had broken away from his emotional toxicity, and become completely self reliant. Johns gets a hold of her character (in his run on Teen Titans volume 3), and regresses her character back to what she was before any of her development; she starts following in her fathers footsteps; becomes a drug addict; and turns into a completely unlikable and unrelatable character. This is just one example of Johns fucking up something that's already great, and that doesn't even begin to cover how much he fucked up the Green Lantern stories, or as I like to call it; completely ruining every Green Lantern character just so he can suck Hal Jordan's proverbial character dick all day long.
There is a rumor that Dan DiDio discovered Johns working at a gas station, and if that's true, it would certainly explain why Johns can't write for shit. I would like to say that working a gas station job is probably the only thing Johns has the mental capacity for, but the thought of him working at a gas station just feels too offensive to all those who do work at gas stations.
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That explains so much about that fool!! He's pathetic he's horrible!! And his skills are an abomination!
This is why the comic characters suck terribly because of that boobs nonexistant skills. I could have done better than him.
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The simple truth about Geoff, is that he was nothing more then Dan DiDio's little 'errand boy'. Whenever DiDio wanted to push his 'murder for sales' mantra, Johns stepped right in and did whatever 'Master' wanted him to do. Of course, since DiDio lost nearly all of his control over DC, the "real" Geoff Johns has been revealed. The Rebirth storylines are nothing more then a PG, and PC version of the New 52, and the DC live action movies have all been critical flops. Speaking of the movies, one of the reasons why the DCEU has been so bad, is because Johns has been a creative consultant for nearly all of them. The only good news in all of this, is that supposedly Johns has been fired, after DC accessed the total losses of the Justice League movie.
The primary reason why Johns' style of storytelling doesn't work, is because it violates the primary (unspoken) rule of the "superhero" story; the rule that in the final end, the hero's actions souldn't be in vain. In Johns' work, that never happens. His stories follow this pattern; big threat build and then arrives; characters are pointlessly slaughtered left and right for (cheap) shock value; heroes who survive barely eek out a victory; heroes are miserable at the end, and there's no closure. Boy, doesn't that just make you want to care about the characters, and the story........... right........ The point is, superhero stories were created as an escape from many of the harshnesses of reality; they were created to let us imagine what we could be, not to be reminded of what we are. It was a time tested and proven successful 'recipe'. Johns, and all those other troglodytes in the comic industry who are just like him, thought (in their arrogance) that they could change the 'recipe', believing that they could make it better. Yeah, if you ever want an perfect example of a time tested recipe being randomly changed that didn't work out, look no further then the New Coke incident propagated by the Coca Cola corporation in the 80's. That's what Johns essentially did; he "New Coked" DC. When you look at the facts, it no longer comes as a surprise as to why DC is floundering so much today.
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... Look I'm gonna be blunt... You shouldn't take everything 1987 says at face value since his known for his ridiculous hateon for Geoff Johns to the point he will straight make shit up
Geoff hasn't been fired he's given up his executive position so he can go back to writing. He's gonna be working on the new Shazam
Geoff outright refused to kill Nightwing in Infinite Crisis, IE the character Didio is always trying to kill cause Didio hates the concept of legacy characters, If you really want four people to blame for DC's Descent into grimdark apathy its Didio, Berganza, Harras and... what was that fuckers name who ran the place like it was their frat house.
The worse thing you can say about Geoff is he is the doofus that made it okay to kill the Titans and he royally screwed over Kyle Rayner.
Geoff was one of multiple creative consultants for the DCEU... which has floundered cause WB kept believing Snyder was the man with the vision. Snyder was a one trick pony who didn't know how to adapt.
Geoff has a massive problem with writing an ending, I ain't gonna argue that he always writes like the ending is the teaser for the next big story instead of write and ending and then tease.
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Look 1987 You wanna bash Geoff, Blame him for shit that is other writers fault and go on and on about DC is doomed, Fine... Take it to the PM and not clog the comment section.
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Ok, if I offended you with my comments, then I apologize. Sometimes I do go too far off on tangents. As for making shit up, I don't agree with that. I just go by what I've heard from the sources I casually listen to (like World Class Bulshitters); sources who fully dedicate themselves to investigating things like that. Johns being fired was a rumor that was highly talked about, which wasn't the full truth. In relation to the DCEU stuff, I wasn't referring to each individual movie (since they each have their own writing and directing teams). I was referring to the amount of control Johns had as one of the creative consultants; since Johns was in a similar position to what Kevin Feige has over at Marvel Studios (having the say in which direction the overall story of the connected movie-verse takes). I'll admit that I should've explained that better, so I apologize for that too.
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I'm just mad about Holly. Nothing more.
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ill defined and depending on the writer
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Boy does that sure sum up how her character was handled.
It's really sad that fanfic writers can give characters like Holly more definition then the actual professional writers who create the very characters.
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Alright fine
Yes, Holly having the Hawk powers makes no sense, even with the throwaway line that the other Lords of Chaos did it... The other Lords of Chaos are all depicted as evil as sin and the idea of working with Order for Balance is sickening to them... thats ignoring that the idea of Balance is from the Two Renegades from each side trying to coexist and the fact that the only person who could give her the Hawk powers is Dead
Yes Dawn is consistently referred to as an only Child in the original run... Its comic books people get siblings/relatives all the time Get over it.
Yes the Granger divorce doesn't make logical sense in that If you want Dawn to stay the introverted girl who never grew up anywhere, She needs to be with her Mother since Maire's job is consistently cited as the reason for moving so much. but lets be honest the spilt choice was for Daddy issues... its post Mass effect 2 no one likes Daddy issues anymore
Also why is Holly the only one with issues with her parents shouldn't Dawn... oh wait
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...I know the shirt is an Aerosmith reference, but at first glance, I thought of Hall's & Oates' You Make My Dreams.
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That have been a good choice
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I figured they needed some form of shared biological trait
and I could logically defend the hair being different cause you could argue the Granger's are elderly and their hair's turned gray and lost its coloring so one of them could be the red head
But the eye color between Dawn and her parents has always been the same... so I flipped a coin between Green, Brown and Blue
Yes this means Hawk and Dove suffers from KH syndrome where ALL the heroes/heroines have Blue eyes 'Cept Axel'
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Wait, am I only one getting a feeling that something is wrong here?
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Looking at her, if you told me she was the avatar for war I'd call you a liar.
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Thats if you buy the notion 'War' is a strict set of personality qualifications, "Angry, Aggressive, Confrontational" which basically comes off like having a very childish view of War. People fight wars for lots of reasons... Its like expecting every Soldier to have a carbon copy of the same likes and dislikes. People Fight for their own reasons, Someone who enlists is different from someone whose drafted, someone who joins out an idea of obligation is different from someone who joins trying to dodge a jail sentence etc etc
Frankly I hate the idea of the powers should define the personality... Cause unless you are exceptionally creative, you just get the same person with minor differences over and over and over which was holly's problem, very little effort was spent trying to differentiate her from Hank... Flipping the gender just had them add **** like the terrible decision that Dawn and Holly should have a madonna/Whore thing going... You know the most stereotypical tone of Female duality.
Now if you mean like just general aesthetics... Holly never struck that image cause they could never decide what image that was.
Up until they decided Dawn had to be some new age Hippie granola girl libertarian wet dream... Dawn didn't look nor act like the Avatar of Peace and then when they decided to be blatant about it... well
imgur.com/a/O7gCI
Subtlety wasn't their strong suit and it was them ultimately missing the pint of the character.
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Deciding what her shirt and eye color would be
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It was Either Aerosmith, AC/DC or Flock of Seagulls
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I was just mentioning what the other options were unless you're saying the only right answer was aerosmith
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The shirt had lyrics from Aerosmith’s song “Dream On.” So yeah, the only correct answer is Aerosmith.
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