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Published: 2012-07-18 01:36:51 +0000 UTC; Views: 2076; Favourites: 43; Downloads: 26
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Please disseminate widely, thank you! This does not give permission to alter or claim credit for this re-mixed work, for which I retain all copyrights. The original illustration is in the public domain.If you disagree with the views expressed here, please be sure to read my Policy Statement BEFORE you post: [link]
In a recent change in policy, WOMEN ARE NOW BILLETED IN COMBAT ROLES ON AMERICAN SUBMARINES: [link]
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I drive a bike, and it's only half rusted thank you vary much. Seriously though, nice job.
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Wow, you really did a great job on this one. I really like how you made it seem old with the background and how it seems like the woman was done in watercolours. Everything about this is just so amazing.
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You don't understand.
These are re-mixes of existing poster art, and in this case, the original IS a watercolor. You can see it here: [link]
You can read more about how I work and why I do it this way here: [link]
Glad you like the work.
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Surely, my Comrade Political Commissar kiddeth the masses.
Ahem. I stand convicted of not fact-checking this one. I can only say that I was preoccupied with the message, which had gone through several iterations to reach the point at which I published it. It never occurred to me that the brass wouldn't let women serve on attack subs, but I guess I understand the logic.
I really like Howard Chandler Christy -- the watercolorists are my favorite "school" of propaganda poster painters: Christy, James Montgomery Flagg, Norman Rockwell, and Gerrett Beneker being my favorites. But when I saw the original [link] I just knew I had to turn it's message around somehow. Sorry if I overreached.
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I retract my previous mea culpa. WOMEN ARE NOW STATIONED ON AMERICAN SUBMARINES. See:[link]
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You did a good job with this one. I definitely like the message-turnaround. Now, if only we WERE allowed on subs...lol. But, I also totally understand why they don't want mixed crews... could get ugly, very much so.
The message is great, though, and well portrayed.
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Nice , especially since I wa sin the Navy. Although they still don't allow women on submarines.
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In a recent change in policy women are now billeted in combat roles on American submarines: [link]
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lol looks like I'm behind the times now XD
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I was just going to point that out, actually! Though I think they're starting to consider it at this point.
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In a recent change in policy women are now billeted in combat roles on American submarines: [link]
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That is very interesting. They haven't yet made it through their training, it will be interesting to see what happens down the line as training progresses.
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I'm betting on the women. After the intensive military selection process they've been through and the grit it takes to deal with the male submariner culture, these officers should prove to be outstanding. I trust you saw the line in the story where one of them said "At the end of the day, what we want to do is drive the submarine, and the chances that we get to do that are extremely rewarding."
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Yep. Exactly. LOL!
Same goes for the volunteers the USMC get for the officer's program. I note that they (the USMC) are actually handling it correctly. Whereas the Army just hand-picked their candidates for the Ranger school and went "they will pass no matter what" (last I heard that was where it's at), the USMC is taking volunteers-only. Which means they'll have girls that are WANTING to do it and will give it every effort... and they won't be creating an environment where the guys have to go "but they just passed them through anyway."
The manner in which it is done makes a HUGE difference.
I hope they do well, all of them, actually.
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Well, see, there you have it: it's not the dog in the fight, it's the fight in the dog.
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they would have to make an all female crewed sub or have to completely redo all the submarines to add the extra facilities needed for a blended crew
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Well, exactly. A blended crew on current ships would not work. It would be a keg waiting for a spark if they tried it currently... I think it would probably be cheaper economically speaking, to run an all female crew than trying to refurb or rehab the inside of an existing sub.
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exactly. But they don't wanna have to move the current crews they have in the submarines atm. The most they will do is wait till they have a brand new ship ready to launch then train an all female crew for it. They're not about to just take over an established ship especially since they don't even offer submarine training for women atm.
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Bingo. It's not the sort of thing that could be implemented overnight. It would need to be planned out and put into motion well in advance of an actual ship being ready, specifically because there currently has been no training for female members of the branch in that field.
It would probably take them a few years to get the gals trained up, and then you're talking about a ship with an all-FNG crew, no vets or experienced seaman on board, so that also cracks open a whole new can of worms as well.
It's an interesting thought, and I'll certainly be watching from my sideline as it goes or fails, whichever way it goes - but something like a sub, you just can't blend a crew very well at ALL. Would be asking for an explosion of trouble eventually. Just a matter of 'when' not 'if', with the way subs and crews are traditionally set up and traditionally function.
I think it would be interesting to see what happens with the idea, though.
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you also have to consider they need trained officers aboard as well. Unfortunately new officers tend to be outright stupid and eager to prove themselves. Also there is the biological aspect. Submarines stay underwater until a) they need to resupply after 5-6months or b) there is an emergency. They will have to have a whole new set of regulations concerning biological waste disposal from sanitary napkins and tampons not to mention when women are in regular daily contact with each other their periods "sync". The Navy has been stalling over implementing female sub crews because of all the logistical issues that come up with the situation. I expect it to be at least another decade or more before we see a female crew. They will have to rewrite certain protocols and basically build a ship specifically for a female crew.
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Possible. I also know that certain birth controls are long-standing (good for 5 yrs), and have a "side effect" of completely stopping the menstrual cycle. I know there's been no rules or regs written that female soldiers "must" accept these methods of birth control, but it would seem common sense to me, and perhaps in certain extenuating circumstances (such as sub duty), it might be something that they could require as a condition of the assignment.
That would at least alleviate some of the logistics in terms of cycles syncing and the extra biological waste, etc. I know a lot of women who do use long-acting BC while on active duty (implants, etc), just for that reason, for not having to deal with it on top of everything else.
And the problem of trained officers was part of what I was hinting at with my last post when I mentioned winding up with a crew that has no experienced officers aboard and all the damage and harm THAT could lead to. A mix of new and seasoned crew is doable, a crew that is 100% green could be extremely deadly and go down hard.
But yes, I agree with you, it will probably be at least ten years. I'm not saying it's impossible, just that it isn't realistic just yet, would take a lot of time and effort and forethought and planning to make it work. Definitely not something we'll see anytime soon.
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While using certain types of BC have a chance of stopping a menstrual cycle they aren't guaranteed to work. There are also health conditions which prevent many women from being able to use hormonal BC. Legally there is no possible way the military could ever require BC of any kind. They can offer it(atm anyways) but they can't force you to take it. That would be almost as bad as the debacle that happened when the military tried outlawing unauthorized pregnancies in an attempt to stop female soldiers form getting knocked up in order to avoid deployment. It ended up with many women in different branches who were not going to be deployed and were planning a family being arrested and loosing their benefits. Basically the military can't rule over bodily functions without repercussions. They will have to work around it in order to make a female crew work. They'll have to redesign the sick bay in case of unpredicted pregnancies( because sometime you actually can't tell till a few months in)and/or miscarriages. Usually a sub's sick bay is a miniature ER/OR since they rarely surface unless its a life or death situation. They'll need added equipment and room for a gynecological setup and doctor.
As for crew training they'll have to start with officers first. They'll have to do a blended crew of some small type even if its only taking a few female officers out for small ranged training. It'll have to be step by step including simulations and dry dock runs to get the officers and crew accustomed to the mechanics and inside of the sub. I expect it will take them years just to work out the logistics and write out the new statutes. Then a few more years to build the subs and implement training of a crew. They will be an experimental crew so they will be the first and only ones out for awhile before the higher ups decide it actually works and they put in commissions for new ships and crews. But if it does work well there will be a demand for female sailors both for crews/officers and core-men trained in gynecology and surgeries. Not to mention culinary crew members. ( The Navy is awesome in turning people into actual chefs instead of just galley cooks 
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Can I have a bit of background on this one, please?
Sorry, not from the States, and so don't always have all of the background information required.
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The original was a World War I recruiting poster for the U.S. Navy. In it, the model is saying "Gee, if I were a man, I'd join the Navy," reflective of the sexist policies of the time. As deviant ~Zirobo notes immediately above, I took that sexist message and turned it around 180 degrees. You can see the original here: [link]
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I love how the original poster was sexist and you completely turned it around.
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My boyfrien'ds mother has the original poster hanging up in her house. I like what you did with it here though.
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