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Copied from my Tumblr:(Legacy lesson (I will make this as short as possible, you will not regret reading.) Some of this is based of estimation from context, Please read all of this as I am promising you will see it is so worth it. )
People in this fandom tend to think Grievous legit is just some empty character with no emotion, personality, heart break, or hey hell the most obvious GRIEF. This is clearly not true but since a lot of the muns here do not put a second thought to this character (I mean the jedi, padawan, good-guy rpers who do not really think of Grievous much) I decided to sketch everyone up a little doodle of his transformation from Qymaen jai Sheelal toGrievous witch was a much longer and painful transformation than one shuttle crash and a medical procedure.
Qymaen was not even considered Grievous until a female confidate passed. You must keep in mind Grievous’ home world (Kalee) Was legit always (I mean as in daily, not always as in centuries. or for a portion of Grievous’ life) at war with the Huk’ who practically invaded and started it all up themselves by pushing the Kaleesh around from their dept. Qymaen was actually a skilled tactic worrier (duh) so keep in mind his life was more than likely 80% war. Given this you can take from context clues that whatever friends he has made in battle? he most likely watched them die by the Huks hand. so this is not a character that just lost his body, I’d say this is a character that lost his humanity. His ability to feel empathy lacks probably because he is sick of seeing his loved ones be hacked down or blown to bits.
I will make up a good scenario that more than likely happened to him.
I am saying, put yourself in this characters shoes, Imagine waking up to the sounds of war, grabbing your weapon only to exit your housing unit or tent to see a young Kaleesh scout return. Panicking this scout has news of an invasion by the Huk, who plan on invading your camp and are literally moments away. As you rush to alert the other Kaleesh the ambushing begins, You try to fight of the huk wile the scout fires off an explosive to warn the others. Now imagine watching your people, your friends, become victims of man slaughter. You watch and can’t do anything about it because you are busy fighting for your own life.
( Keep in mind the republic stepped in AND TOOK THE HUKS’ SIDE without asking any questions or learning the Huk where in the wrong. so there is where Grievous’ hate for jedi came from. )
and that could have just been considered the norm. Grievous was not some spoiled rich man with an easy going life who just decided “Up let me be a cyborg jut for the lulz” (at least not until the moron who made clone wars on Cartoon network decided not to do any fucking research (he should get hit by a car man ) Grievous was actually forced to be on his toes and alert. He was at war with another species and if you don’t know anything about war-
it is mindbogglingly anxiety educed. may I include PTSD can be most caused by war? or battle? War is not something for a soft person to be involved in. Grievous had to lack empathy for the Huk in order to survive, and stay alert and think outside the box for attack plans.
Okay now imagine that after a few victories over the huk you are promoted, eventually you find yourself ordered to carry out a mission. You enter your star ship with your men and take off. wile on your way you are over an ocean, pondering your plans, thinking about someone back home or even too exhausted to stay alert. Your attention is caught by a loud explosion shaking you from your thoughts. and your ship crashes into said ocean. When you wake up you are in a medical tube, half of your body gone. A man is standing in front of you telling you the republic shot your ship down, the republic killed your men, the republic caused your body to become this demolished, o where you could not even fight much less live longer. But this man also proposes a deal, if you would allow him to give you a new body, and fight for the Separatists, he will pay off the Kaleeshs’ dept entirely. Your people can finally be free.
A cold numb like cyborg is what you become. You are made mostly of metal. Your warm skin is replaced by cold metal plates, And you are told all of this was because of the jedi.
So now you know, Grievous is not just some asshole who is going after Jedi just because, and he didn’t become a cyborg for the lulz. He lost so much. More than you have ever lost, and yet is somehow able to keep himself going. But By fueling himself with undying hatred. He is not just some cold lifeless cyborg. Grievous is actually a man who has been torn down, and stripped of everything he has had but his tittle of a good worrier. Keep this in mind next time you see a re run of the clone wars and go “wow the guy who made this did a good jib, grievous is jst a reckless moron” because it is not true ad this character is HIGHLY under rated, .>. ))
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Desde que lo vi por primera vez,senti que algo ocultaba,y de hecho asi fue.Senti lastima por el,el no fue malvado en un inicio,hay mucho detras de esa mascara pero prece que todos ven lo de afuera y no ven sus ojos.
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and thank you for using the original backstory. This picture is so emotional and poignant, representing what became of him fantastically!.
I absolutely loved the stories and portrayal of Grievous in Clone Wars, I was just disappointed in his less than stellar new backstory they gave him :/.
SO being the huge Grievous nut that I am, I love seeing that you stuck with the Backstory Warren Fu wrote about
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Grievous was never a monster to me. Something about him told me that he was not what he appeared, and when I learned his rue backstory, I cried for him. He is first in my heart when it comes to Star Wars, and he always will be.
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That's my honest opinion of him. I am very much on his side in this.
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Recently, I started thinking of Grievous and his dead lover, Ronderu, as fitting a music number titled "I Will Be There" from Frank Wildhorn's the Count of Monte Cristo musical. You could even argue that Grievous is the Star Wars universe's version of Edmond Dantes, minus the going to prison part. In that way, the idea works. I sometimes wished that someone would try to help heal at least some of those scars he carries around.
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I do not know about healing his scars, he has become fueled by nothing but hate.
Maybe if you took an odd approach to it he would listen? I do not now. I just think there is far too much to heal there.
Going through some shitty things in my life, I have been at that point where I was fueled by rage, I eventually grew into a sadistic asshole who has no empathy for anyone.n(And I love every second of it)
With that experience, there is absolutely nothing that can save him, seeing as he would be worse that I used to be. :V seems like if he wants any healing,he'll have to step up to the plate himself.
Now if we are talking BEFORE he was a cyborg, then yeah someone could have stepped in to try and help then, but now he is always surrounded by guards, and Dooku I doubt would allow anyone to tamper with their little weapon.
It looks like he is in a place where the only healing he can do, is slaughtering the jedi who caused the war to drag out. If he reached to the point where there was no one left to kill, I think he would go awol and loose it |'D
The poor reptilian has not the mental capacity to deal with over whelming rage, from what I have seen in the newer things. Before in 2003, he was far more tactical and refused to allow his emotions to surface, beck then I could relate, now he just looks weak with too much on his head. It is amazing to watch him silently suffer. But I a sure there is at least ONE way someone could have saved him from himself in the end. sadly that did not happen.
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Well then, I might be the oddball who wouldn't quit. I was considered weird back then, but no one ever tried to bully me for it because I seemed scary to them. Also, I have this knack for looking at both sides of an argument and choosing which side is more justified in its actions. I attribute that to my being born under the influence of Earth the year I was born; it means I have a penchant for fairness. But I would imagine he gets some satisfaction out of making Nute Gunray squirm, and I'd certainly join in on that. As for Dooku, that old codger can't live forever and when he "cuts out," someone else can "cut in" as it were. I seem to have a weakness for tortured men.
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I, as a child was a masochist at mind, resulting in sadistic actions, I loved making myself an easy target to get other kids in trouble or even expelled, I always acted instead of reacting. As of now grown out of that and strive for control over others, Likely merely speaking the right words I can get some buffoon to react and yell, I can get them steamed control their temper. I can make them throw punches or rage over my words. It is hilarious how I, a total stranger, can get someone to react so deeply by muttering uneeded logical factual based arguments against others just to get a reaction. And I always do, I absolutely love uttering "say hello to your motherboard for me" and to watch them realize I was purpusly irritating them, it is PRICELESS.
As for Grievous, I would say my sadistic behavior towards him would be more pleasuring than any other, It feel me to glee to see someone go through such deep trama. It makes me chuckle I just absolutely love it. After drawing this I keep gazing back at his tears in satisfaction. |'D Something about watching someone fall appart just isnt anything like getting a reaction. Thus why I am not allowed at funirals, I tend to spark some tension when I sit with a deep shit eating smile, I just can not help it even if I do not hate the people there I just can't hold back how much fun I am having. oi le.
Anyway back on topic, I believe if Dooku died earlier on, and Grievous had a far less sadistic master, or one that is sadistic in my way whom would reveal all the lies just to watch him go ape shit, he would have had some chance to heal. IF he found the right people or the right people found him. .>. witch inc the Sith side is not so caring and does not give a shit abut anyone but Sithis, will more than likely never happen unless said sith was becoming corrupted by the jedi ways.
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That, or this so-called master is very perceptive and puts the pieces together on their own. I would imagine not all of them would be sitting on their brain for someone to get that far. It's possible that, were Dooku to die ahead of Sidious' schedule, whoever stepped in to fill his place would notice certain things about the General and put two and two together without need for too much digging up dirt on their part.
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I could see a sith stepping into Dookus place, and digging over certain traits Grievous has, yes. You are probably right on that part.
Now if they where to care? that... is a new story. I am unsure but it would defiantly be interesting to find out.
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Yeah. That would be something. Of course, who's to say this so-called Sith doesn't have a few secrets of their own? That puts even more intrigue in it.
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Sounds like a fun thing to roleplay.
sadly there is like... no rpers on da lol
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I RP. Mostly through notes.
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If I open up a closed chat would you like to rp there?
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Sure. Just tell me where it is.
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chat.deviantart.com/chat/StarW…
If anyone enters I can just kick them, the Description says closed coatroom.
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Try now chat.deviantart.com/chat/StarW…
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huh... guess we can just use notes :V
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Can you send the starter? I am in a bit of a mood now and I need a few minutes < w > if not I can send one in a bit.
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If it will help, I can do that.
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Lovely artwork, I love how you made Grievous' cyborg body look concealed by shadows, gives it a real sinister and mysterious look.
You also did a great little summary of his backstory. I remember when I was younger I decided Grievous was my favorite character merely because of how 'bad-ass' he looked, but it was after I read up on his history that I truly sympathized with the character and realized how badly he had been developed in the movie/TV show and I truly wish they could have been a little more in depth with him. So Grievous always has and still is my favorite character, and I'm glad there are still people out there who appreciate him as such.
You mentioned that you rp him which I respect you for, I for one have tried doing it and failed miserably X'D I just don't think I gave him enough depth, though now that I have improved with my writing I am eager to try again. But as you say not many people do Clone Wars RPs anymore, they're more interested in SW Rebels.
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thank you, I have done my researches into the character and observed him closely.
As for the roleplay, There are a few people who do, actually with the on of anons I get I think there are a LOT who want to rp with me but are too shy.
I would urge you to make a Grievous blog. I would not mind helping you start off or even supplying artwork of your own version of him, for your icon (like if you make an AU of him, or if you rp a certain style from one of the tv shows)
Actually I know two other blogs (kaleeshcyborg, and khagaan ) both role play him in short simple rp (As I write a fucking book for replies. x-x) but they hit him spot on, I think thy even do a better job than me.
If you make a blog the three of us would be glad to help, they helped me start off as well. it would be nice to have another fan/rper in our little Grievous group.
As for roleplaying with others, I can start you off with a public rp with you first, I have a Dooku rp ide blog that I wll be using for rping a lot. so if you want to start off with me, just shoot me a message. All of this is on Tumblr, btw.
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Nice, I'd love to at least attempt one. I don't have Tumblr at the moment as I forgot my log in details, but I should be creating a new account some time soon and I'd love to join in. Admittedly as of late I have been focusing on writing rather than RPing, though I do want to get back into doing it.
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Well nothing is stopping you. < v >
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yesssssss his sweet sweet tears. I shall collect them in my "Sadistic achievements" cup and drink them with maniac laughter.
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This is a really good sum up of Grievous' backstory, I know a lot of people who don't even think he's a cyborg because he has such little character development or at least none of it shows in episode 3 and it makes me really sad because he's my fave character and everyone should know more about him haha.
Although with Grievous what i think is sad is when I try to figure out how many of his memories of his home and his people and such were suppressed by the Muuns or the Geonosians.
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I am sure he has lost a good portion but overall not too much. You must remember that he became a cyborg in exchange for services to save his people from dept. so he DOES care for them on some extent. And if he cares so much, he must have some memories to see why he does.
And yes it is very sad that people glance at grievous and go "meh, not interesting enough"
I run a Grievous blog and not many even try to rp with me. And I am sure it is because I role play grievous ( and was told by other grievous rpers, and rpers in general that I rp him quite well) But meh. I guess I just have to wait to be noticed a bit before people ask to role play. I did just start off so I can't really say its because the character I have.
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Haha, yeah I'm pretty sure I actually follow your grievous blog and I think I only follow one other grievous rp blog, it never seems to be too active, but every once and awhile I see they have been talking with someone so that's kinda nice? I'm sure once more people see that you exist you'll get more starts.
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My blog is General-Grievous-cyborg, you may be following me, I think a few are.
And yes I am hoping so, I also have seen there are no Dooku blogs that are active for the public, So I made one o those too |'D
I haven't seen much of the clone wars fandom on that site, but it looks like most of them converted to the Rebels.
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yeah I'm def following you haha, and yeah, the clone wars characters kinda died once the clone wars ended, not a whole lot of people are incredibly devoted, either that or now they do just like Rebels, which is fine but I wish they were still here haha
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We still have some Obi wan rpers.... witch isn't very much but they are there |'D
It is still far more than I had in my fandomless phase.
We can always convert out friends whom we now in rl or in other fandoms shhh ( I am dragging my closest friend, bena into the fandom |'D)
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omg I did the same with one of my friends, I made her watch some of the movies and made her pay close attention to ep. 3 when grievous was on and next thing I knew she was watching clone wars haha.
And I've probably ranted to her about how badly grievous is portrayed like 3 times, especially when she got to the 'grievous' lair' episode and they just threw away all this strong backstory he had. I'm not sure if it's true or not but apparently Lucas is the one who actually like, wrote that and such and that hurts me deeply because I just, I need Grievous to have a sad backstory if he just wanted to get better and better at fighting and such and that's why he 'upgraded' himself then that's lame and I've heard that before.
But yeah, slowly I will get my other friends into the fandom as well it's just a matter of finding the time
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Something about watching his hearbrekingly hard work to struggle to keep the Huk at bay and protect his people is just the most amusing.
I am a HIGHLY sadistic person, I really enjoy Grievous' pain |'D So I have no problem writing it out huehue.
But hey hell as depressive as I can be can make his cannon back story (the new one) as depressive as the first. am very good at ripping peoples hearts out lol.
Plus it will give any other grievous fans something. I am sure I can make it a very interesting one. It just takes key skills like instead of "let me become a cyborg for the lulz" maybe he was being consumed by an illness in witch became Grievous. A hollow shell of his formal self. Like an inner monster he tried to fight off with his all but eventually fell victim to its sadistic manipulative behaviors. Like he is trapped inside his own head now whilst this being is out slaughtering innocent people. The up grades could have became a key to control him into this transformation :V
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ohh~ That is a good way to look at that backstory, I instead just took the line of "I submit to no one, i chose them" more as just defensively saying that no one made him turn into a cyborg because he hadn't wanted to. Goodness I need to refresh myself on what is actually canon and what I've picked up from other people because it's all kinda of intertwining. I remember reading that he would of rather died in the shuttle crash honorably than be turned into a cyborg. But now since he is a cyborg he won't let anyone under him talk like someone else chose things for him and he doesn't have control of his own life.
There are other things that make that not exactly possible such as the statues they show in the episode clearly show that he is still mostly organic but his arms are robotic, I kinda pretend those don't exist, even though some people think this is the true canon I just prefer the old one, maybe if they went deeper into his backstory in the show I would like it better, but it's so skin deep and boring.
And yeah I'm a pretty sadistic person too haha, i was going to say that in a comment before, but I was worried you might think that's kind of a weird thing to be to a character.
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Nah, I love causing misery in others, let people just be glad I am starting to do so to fictional beings now lol.
And it is only as boring as you make it, he could have possibly lost his arms one at a time in battle, maybe wile this happened, he was too busy trying to comprehend the death of a fellow comrade?
As if that person was so important to him, that he froze in battle to gaze upon the lifeless body of said person.
Or maybe the other arm was lost from arrogance, we all know Grievous can blind himself with arrogance often. But maybe this arrogance was from a code of honor, the arm was lost because he embarked on a camp of Huk that where not prepared for battle. So he preformed a great act of honor and held off his men and he allowed the huk to prepare themselves for a true fight.(as it could have been a pathetically small camp, and the fight would have been too easy) After doing so he could have slayed the shit out of that camp ground but a huk caught him off guard by playing opossum, and severed a limb?
We can make any of it interesting to some extent, though the original back story from Legacy was the best one of them all
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yeah, I could see that, but I have to agree the the original backstory was the best. I'm hoping that someday he will get some real recognition and maybe they can take points from all the backstories he's been given and take bits and pieces from each to make the best backstory. Or once they give him recognition they could really mess it up haha.
But anyways you have good ideas for grievous and it's really nice to see.
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I have always observed the character, every since episode III came out he stood out o me.
Just recently I started my researched on him. This is how I am able to accumulate such ideas into small stories at the top of my head.
And it would be amazing if someone with my potential and grave knowledge of his character would rewrite it canonically.
Maybe I can go to collage and work my way into that position at Disney, since the person in charge of what is and is not cannon obliviously just favortized his beloved oc (Anikans padawan) forcing her onto the entire fandom like some immature teenager who just crapped out a sue. It is like when they started the new cartoon they said "Let me only focus on the characters I give a shit about, and just fuck up all the ones I dislike because I have no idea how to do my job and am unprofessional to the ways of an extremists" Guy should just fucking off himself tbh, If I took charge of what was going on, everything in the cartoon would NOT be cannon, his pathetic muse would have never existed, and EACH character would be as equally written. I would do my actual researches unlike the director, and release some REAL Star Wars episodes.
I would do ALLL that with my mental disabilities.. that is sad that a disabled person can do more than professionals. This world.
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Yeah I guess, but like I said George Lucas wrote most of the scripts for the show, so he prob kinda knew what he was doing. I mean maybe he wanted Grievous to have the backstory he gave him in the show, perhaps later if the show hadn't been canceled they would of gone back to it and explained it better.
But I agree that someone needs to give Grievous a bit more credit or screen time or whatever, he's a good character who needs more people to know about him and his actual backstory, and not just see him as a character who is a great threat to Jedi but then Obi Wan kills him easily. It makes it hard to see him as such a threat unless they saw the 2003 cartoon Grievous, the the CGI clone wars grievous only makes it harder to believe that he was ever a threat until maybe season 4 or 5, and even then he doesn't kill any Jedi, it doesn't do him much justice.
I'd absolutely love if they would make a movie on him. They wouldn't even have to use a ton of CGI or anything, the heights of some of them might be wrong, but I think it would be worth it to see more make-up effects in movies again.
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actually something just hit me. I think I know why Grievous is not in the show a lot, and gets very little screeen time in anything.
Okay o imagine this, you have a bag of chips, and a high class dessert. You can much away mindlessly at the chips all day, they are in such a great supply that you just pig out. The chips aren't that good but you crave them on an odd level.
Okay now to the high class dessert, it is the best thing you've ever tasted in your life. And you take it slow to enjoy it. But since it is so small it is gone very soon. But you are glad you had it, it was amazing.
now if you had very little chips, and stuffed yourself with the dessert, wouldn't you be so sick of the dessert? it will no longer be desired.
Main characters re the chips, Grievous is the dessert :V They probably didnt give him much because they knew he would be in such high demand at the time of production and release (Notice the Grievous action figures and merch is MUCH more expensive than the other merch) So not only are they making ore and getting attention from it for marketing, but they are also making us crave more of him, and the other characters that got almost no screen time. a good example of this is shadow the hedgehog, he was BELOVED in the first game and everybody wanted a prequel about him. But boom, Shadow the hedgehog and Sonic heroes comes out, now eevery body hates him.
am just pulling a guessing card, here.
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Yeah, I suppose I can see that, personally though I just think that he wasn't the main focus in the movie.
And I say I'd love for him to get more attention but in a way I also don't I'm not exactly sure how he would turn out if a lot of people were in this fandom. I'd hate for the small fandom there is for him to get huge, but then all the new people just ruin him, like you see too much weird stuff and you get tired of it so you kinda drop out of the fandom. Personally I'm in this fandom for the long run, I've been here for awhile now like, 2008 when the clone wars show came out (although it wasn't until about a year ago that I really did anything in the fandom since star wars in general was like a weird, taboo, nerd thing to me and then I just kinda gave up haha). At first I liked grievous because as a kid I really liked skeletons and his mask resembles that so I just thought he was cool and then I liked him as a character because I got a little sadistic too and he and a tragic backstory.
And his merch is usually more expensive because there is less of it and now it's all mostly 'collectible'. I have a lot of merch of him now and I hope to get more but I don't really have the funds to spend on things such as a collectors plate that has grievous on it or these little doll things I found. One day I hope to get a hold of one of those life size busts from sideshow collectibles. Or I guess could make one someday when I actually have money to buy the things I'd need, like a vacuform machine or even a kiln.
Also with merchandise when episode 4 came out Star wars was gutsy enough to sell just the boxes for toys since they couldn't get the toys made fast enough, and eventually would mail the toys out to the people who bought the boxes, I doubt merchandise would of been a reason to not give him a ton of screen time.
Like I said I personally think they didn't give him a lot of screen time ever just because he wasn't the main focus. It could also be the fact (at least for episode 3) that animation takes a lot of time, and it was 2005. He was a very complex character so animating him and rendering all the images of him (which would of at least been 25 fps) could take a lot of time and they didn't want any set backs due to one character.
As for the clone wars cgi show it was only a matter of yeah, wanting Ahsoka to have a ton of screen time. While personally I don't hate Ahsoka, I do think she shouldn't of had as much screen time as she did have. Although perhaps Ashoka was made because it is a kids show, and they needed a more relatable character, someone who is younger and still learning.
Now the 2003 cartoon I have no complaints about how little grievous was in it, maybe because he was actually portrayed as a person the jedi should fear a bit. But also the entire 2 seasons aren't all that long anyway, and for half of the time it might of been even before grievous was a threat.
lol sorry for the long message, but it's rare that I can find a person that I can have an actual discussion about grievous without feeling like they are shoving their head-canons down my throat. I hope that's not what I'm doing to you here cause it really sucks when people do that, if I am I'm sorry for that too.
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