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Poporetto In reply to Paulthored [2017-08-01 05:14:52 +0000 UTC]

thanks for the suggestion I used to read using NIV too, but I find ESV faithful to the original translation too

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Poporetto In reply to Doctor-Why-Designs [2017-05-09 07:05:32 +0000 UTC]

Good observation! I'm not a master of translation myself, but it seems that the translation is closer to family rather than friends, as KJV was written in 1600, much has changed in the english language by itself since then. I usually use ESV as they translate directly from the original manuscript to the current english language

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Doctor-Why-Designs In reply to Poporetto [2017-05-10 01:31:05 +0000 UTC]

I grew up solid KJV, so, it sounds weird how modern verses alter the texts. 
Some newer versions completely remove whole verses and stuff and change the whole meaning of verses.
The ESV does contain errors, like for example in Mark 1:2-3, it credits only Isaiah the prophet, but in reality Mark was quoting from two different prophets. In verse 2 he quotes from Malachi 3:1, and  verse 3 is a quote from Isaiah 40:3.

The KJV renders it more accurately by saying 'prophets', rather than just naming one prophet.


Mr 1:2-3 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

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Poporetto In reply to Doctor-Why-Designs [2017-05-12 07:36:05 +0000 UTC]

ah I see

I don't think ESV contains error for that part btw, it's said in the footnotes that "some manuscripts says prophets"

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Doctor-Why-Designs In reply to Poporetto [2017-05-12 21:37:43 +0000 UTC]

The ESV and the KJV come from 2 different manuscript sources. The ESV comes from a manuscript that is known to be latent with textual errors, like missing and altered verses.
Such as 1 John 5:7-8

KJV
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

ESV
7 For there are three that testify: 
8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree.

Some say that later texts removed the mentioning of the Trinity from this passage was due to dealing with cults who were using this verse to prove there were three gods instead of just one.


The ESV also changes seems to make Jesus a lesser being than God with its rendition of Philippians 2:6

KJV
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

ESV
who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,

It sounds like two different things entirely.
In the ESV it seems like it is saying that Jesus was not able to grasp being equal with God.

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Poporetto In reply to Wedge009 [2017-05-09 06:54:25 +0000 UTC]

yeah this part definitely show that Mary and her family are just human, and they too subject to doubt.

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Poporetto In reply to DCLeadboot [2017-05-09 07:05:52 +0000 UTC]

no rest for the saviour!

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DCLeadboot In reply to Poporetto [2017-05-09 08:35:20 +0000 UTC]

Heh, indeed... ;;
Even when He died, He had to grapple with Death!

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Poporetto In reply to Kipporah [2017-04-24 02:08:29 +0000 UTC]

He's always hungry

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Kipporah In reply to Poporetto [2017-04-28 23:58:08 +0000 UTC]

Throws a fish

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FlosPietatis In reply to Rosie-Love98 [2017-04-27 02:49:39 +0000 UTC]

"Family" here is probably referring to the larger family of Mary and Joseph (ie Mary or Joseph's brothers, sisters, aunts, etc.). Back then, cousins and extended family were very close-knit.

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Rosie-Love98 In reply to FlosPietatis [2017-04-27 03:14:34 +0000 UTC]

True.

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Poporetto In reply to Rosie-Love98 [2017-04-24 02:11:39 +0000 UTC]

You're right, they should have believed, however the gospel shed light to us that at the end, Mary is just a human and even she didn't fully believed about who Jesus is  

Here is a sneak peek of the next part  tatcomic.com/book-mark-jesus-t…

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Rosie-Love98 In reply to Poporetto [2017-04-24 04:19:51 +0000 UTC]

Awesome !!

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Poporetto In reply to Purestrongpoem [2017-04-24 02:08:10 +0000 UTC]

Ahahahahahah I'm glad it made you laugh XD
Most of the people who followed Jesus at that time were following him for their own gain not because they want to submit to God, we can see it from Jesus' crucifixion, nobody came to his side. Hahahahahh indeed it was a happy cat

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Purestrongpoem In reply to Poporetto [2017-04-24 03:18:48 +0000 UTC]

Yep, I remember reading that somewhere in the bible before. I remember that Jesus was saying how they were just following him for the food and he scold them if I didn't remember wrong.

Haha yep.

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Poporetto In reply to tharsei [2017-04-24 02:10:25 +0000 UTC]

Indeed! The continuation of mark shows that Jesus' family didn't really believe that He is the son of God, and they're trying to take him away. Here is a sneak peek of the next part  tatcomic.com/book-mark-jesus-t…

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tharsei In reply to Poporetto [2017-04-24 17:38:49 +0000 UTC]

Thanks!  I think things can get a little complicated when one family member is a bit different than everyone else sometimes.

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