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This is my belated Pentecost image.
The Catholic Church is 1976!Just an image of Christ and His "Bride", the Catholic and Apostolic Church. (Catholic means "universal", so she is the Universal Church. And even if you're not a Catholic, all Christians originally came from the Universal Faith.)
The reason she is pregnant, is to symbolize the birth of new Catholics. The blue dress is to symbolize faith, and the white sash is to symbolize purity.
Hope you enjoy it.
Cathedral image came from cgtextures.
The Apostles' Creed
I believe in God, the Father, the Almighty,
the Creator of Heaven and Earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, Our Lord:
Who was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin, Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
He descended to the dead.
On the Third Day He arose again from the dead;
He ascended into Heaven,
and sits at the Right Hand of God, the Father Almighty;
from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Catholic Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting. Amen.
Jesus and Catholicism - God and Heaven
Art - =Porcelain-Requiem
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No. It's a symbolic representation of the Church, who is often called the Bride of Jesus.
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So lovely!Β
And you are apparently insane too!Β Good, I like having that in common with the people I watch 8P
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Only the fun crazy.
Thanks.
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Looks like Heresy, actually a visual metaphor.
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This is awesome! I definitely get the meaning behind it, and I'm glad you explained it ^_^ Really beautiful artwork here
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You're welcome!
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weird, but good concept. love the art!
jesus should have longer wavier hair i think. and why is the church pregnant?
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It's meant to symbolize the birth of her new children -- the faithful.
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oh i'm sorry, i forgot to read the description- my bad!
but yeah, the church IS the faithful.
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The Church is the dwelling place of the faithful which Christ established through His Apostles, and the faithful are the body of the Church.
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actually, the faithful are the body of CHRIST; which is the church. which in turn was established by christ through the apostles.
i'm inspired. beautiful work! reminds me of the shulamite and her shepherd lover (lord jesus is the GOOD shepherd after all).
oh, and the nail prints should be in the bottom half of the hands, not all the way down in the wrists. i know the greek word may mean both hand and wrist combined, but in the hebrew prophecies, its said specifically that they pierced his HANDS and FEET.
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I never said we weren't also the mystical body of Christ.
The placement of his nail wounds is based on the Shroud of Turin (which is believed religiously andΒ forensicallyΒ by many to be Christ's burial cloth.) The image shows the wounds on his wrists. Scientifically, he wouldn't have been able to hang by his hands so it makes sense.
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scientifically he WOULD HAVE hung by his hands- believe me, i read this on a website on hand anatomy with regards to the crucifixion. also, i took a real good look at Β the shroud of turin and my statement is based on my observation of the shroud. if you look closely, you'd agree with me.Β
and another reason is that the muscles in human hands are stronger than rope. also, it is said that his crucifiers nailed him to the cross with slightly blunt nails so as to increase the torment and pain( he was already scraped, beaten, wounded, punched, slapped, had his beard ripped off of his face, and was scourged and twisted thorny branches were surrounding his forehead). and it would hurt all the more if it were in the bottom half of his palm.
even otherwise, i shall let you have your way if you're still not convinced my friend, for it is up to everyone's own personal conviction as to whether the lord was nailed by his hands or wrists.
if the shroud of turin cannot show the wounds of the lord which were prophesied by the psalms and the prophets fulfilled meticulously according to the aforementioned, then the shroud cannot be trustworthy. besides, the crucifiers had no fixed way of crucifying people. they could hang people in anyway they pleased, so as long as the person suffered torment for the longest timespan imaginable.
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No, his hands would have ripped from the weight. He either had to be nailed by his wrists, or his hands had to beΒ tied with ropes to support his body.Β That website doesn't hold up in comparison to physics and all the studies that have been done on this.
The shroud has been studied forensically and it shows all the torture and suffering he endured. They counted the lashes on his back from the whips. They noted his shoulder was broken in order to stretch to fit the cross. They noted that his beard had patches where the hair had been plucked. They even found evidence of pollens from the time and region on it, and the type of blood. These are religious andΒ non-religious scientists too. So this isn't biased.
Since I find the shroud to be a credible visual source of Christ's suffering, I used it as a reference in the placement of his wounds. If you want to draw his wounds elsewhere, go right ahead.
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By "wrist", what exactly do you mean? Because I have hypothesized, looking at the Shroud, that the nails did not go in the mid-centre of the palms, or between the forearm bones(where we usually wear a wrist watch). Also, Jesus' hand on the Shroud is kinda bent at the joint from having been placed over the other wrist. So, I too believe the nail-print is in the hand, and not the wrist. But the place where you have depicted His nail-prints is quite in sync with where the nail-print appears on the Shroud.Β
No, his hands would have ripped from the weight.
True that! In fact, the Shroud does not show the nail-prints in the forearms(which we usually call wrists) either! It's in the hardest, boniest part of His hands.
They noted that his beard had patches where the hair had been plucked.
Actually, His bifurcated beard is a result of plucking- the mockers took out from under His dear face a major portion of His beard, and ripped it with wrathful force, and this left blood dripping from His chin ou through the beard, traces of which are clearly deciphered in the Shroud.Β
NOTE: When referring to God and Jesus, always use the pronouns by typing the first letter in capitals. That shows respect, and is also indicative of Who is being referred to.
These are religious and non-religious scientists too. So this isn't biased.
True that! In fact, many of them have said to have come to the Christian faith by the Shroud of Turin! The Word, however, is the actual, Bible-recommended means of coming to God through Jesus.
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yeah, but the bible never directly referred to the dislocation of his shoulder to fit the cross, but it does say that all his bones were out of joint. i think the shroud is not graphic enough- jesus didn't look like a man on the cross. the shroud shows a handsome face, radiant even when covered with scrapes, punches and wounds. this could be the work of satan or his minions(you know how good satan is at tricking people).
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The Shroud is not Satanic. It is either the true burial cloth of Christ (which credible sources say it is) or an elaborate hoax (which is very unlikely.) Christ's radiance is simply his holy Divinity. Even in death, battered and broken, he was our beautiful Lord.
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i don't think so. it's not an elaborate hoax, but it is not possible to scan a cloth with an image on it and be able to find real bloodstains, snotty liquid from the nose, precise scourge marks, &c, &c.Β
i told you to see my drawing of a pieta with wounds copied directly from the shroud. it's called pieta(1). you will see i also referenced the shroud to draw a picture of christ. i took a good hard look at it too. yes, its the authentic burial cloth of someone, but if it were jesus', i'd find a verse referring to it in the bible. and yes, the bible DOES have everything in it. if you deny this, you are saying that the care and love with which god inspired the writers to write the things written in it is useless and moot- in short, you are questioning god. all catholics do that through the delusion that the bible isn't enough for faith. "faith comes through hearing, hearing by the WORD OF GOD".
i don't need "credible sources" to convince me that the turin shroud is authentic. my god and his word will do.Β
its idiotic how some people want to listen to men about the things of god, rather than god himself. i'll be praying for this to stop.
i'm so sorry!Β i was only being truthfulΒ . it's risky talking about god and jesus and the bible!Β
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You're being smug and ignorant. I'm not an expert in the field of forensic sciences, but I know they can trace things our human eyes cannot perceive.
The Bible is an abridged version of Christ's life. Not every detail is included. I'm not saying it a useless because it doesn't contain everything. I'm just stating a fact. It's a holy abridgement, but it's still an abridgement.
You like many other fundamentals have put too much emphasis on the Bible. You've leveled the book as an idol -- relying on it too much for everything. What if all the Bibles in the world were destroyed? What would you have left?
If you want to worship a book, that's your prerogative.
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You're being smug and ignorant./blockquote>
Whoa, dude, that's just hard truth! But he wasn't actually, in my opinion.Β
See, from his comments, I understood that he was only presenting his perspective of Catholicism and the Turin Shroud. The Bible isn't certainly enough for minute historical details which the Holy Spirit deemed unimportant, but it surely is enough for instruction, correction, reproof, and restoration! Praise God for His Bible.Β
You like many other fundamentals have put too much emphasis on the Bible. You've leveled the book as an idol -- relying on it too much for everything.
Our kind of fundamentals "put too much emphasis" for important issues in Christendom and the Christian life and Christian doctrine in the Bible. For historical details of the events described in the Bible, we don't learn it from only the Bible. We have extra-biblical sources for them too, like for Jesus' physical descriptions, and extensions of His Passion narratives.
What if all the Bibles in the world were destroyed? What would you have left?
Uh, that's an impossible assertion. In fact, in history, there have been numerous attempts to destroy "all the Bibles in the world" numerous times. It just did not work. So, the Bible is very, very important. God did not give us this Book for no reason.Β
If you want to worship a book, that's your prerogative.
No one worships a book! No one worships The Book! We treat the Bible the same way you Catholics treat images, traditions, and rites. No difference. In fact, he is not an American, and has no acquaintance with the religious things in America, which you appear to be referring to. He and I are Indians, and our Christian history is quite different from yours. So you can't really argue about your American state of Christian affairs with a poor Indian kid.
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we don't worship the bible per se, but that's like you guys saying "we don't worship mary".Β
jesus fingers are unusually long on the shroud.Β
i understand i'm being rude. i'm sorry. i knew better than to argue over a picture. and we came so far!
i think i'll stop and just understand Β that you're a person in your own right and i ought to respect you and not mind the fact that you're an RC.
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Sola Scriptura is not a Biblical teaching. It's a man made ideology.
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can you give me bible passages which confirms this? and first of, what exactly is the "SOLA SCRIPTVRA"?
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Sola Scriptura means "by Scripture alone" or "only relying on the Bible." The Bible never says you must rely solely on Scripture.
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oh really?Β show me a passage from the bible. lemme see.
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Which passage? Because there are many of them. Here. Take your pick. catholicknight.blogspot.de/200β¦ and www.catholicapologetics.info/aβ¦
Luther started the ideology of Sola Scriptura, not Christ and his Apostles. It's a Protestant belief.
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well i'm not protestant, but i'm not catholic either.
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But you adhere to the ideology of Sola Scriptura based on your comments, which is Protestant.
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i think you've never heard of the brethren movement which took place in the 19th century in kerala, south india. you can look it up in wikipedia. these people are all around the world, most of them malayalee expatriates from kerala. their churches are known by the names of their localities. they are a lot like the church described in acts chapters 1 and 2. they share belongings, keep fellowship, gather once every week to remember the lord and worship him, and believe in god, the lord jesus christ, the holy trinity, the bible, and the doctrines of salvation, baptism, &c. they do not celebrate any liturgical feast or festival, neither do they have lent, saints' days, &c. they have no liturgical language, and are very simple in appearance- the bishops or elders wear no mitres, cassocks, or carry staves. deacons, evangelists, and the other ministers don't either. we believe in and practise believer's baptism, and keep the lord's supper(or eucharist). they do not believe in the lutheran teaching of consubstantiation, or practise child baptism. many protestant churches practise child baptism, which is contradictory to what the bible teaches about salvation and baptism.Β
sola scriptura is not an ideology or delusion. it is because the scripture is god-breathed. we rely on the bible because it is our only source of hope and instruction. we ought to rely on the bible. it may not contain enough and detailed information on the people described, but it does contain what we need to know about them. the bible, however, DOES contain everything we need to live a fruitful, meaningful, and devout and faithful christian life in this sin-dominated world. we believe that tradition and the apocrypha are not of god, but we do believe that outside information about the biblical people and places can be very helpful more often than not. so you see, we don't entirely throw out tradition. we just don't rely on it that much. it does not do anything to bring us closer to god, in my opinion. our faith is catholic, and we are protestant to the prince of this world.
the lord's prayer is not a prayer the lord told us to pray- it is the pattern of prayer. christ told us to (quoting the malayalam bible) pray ye AFTER THIS MANNER, not pray ye THIS. we should praise god and acknowledge his magnitude and power, we should ask him to show us in his word(the bible has been called bread numerous times in the bible) what he wants to give us today, we should ask him to give us the grace to forgive and to ask his protection form the evil one. and in the end, we must give him glory, in the name of his son jesus christ, and close with an amen. it's fine to talk to your spiritual mommy(this was NOT sarcastic), and it's also okay to tell her what you need. you have the COMPLETE freedom to believe in whatever you choose to believe in. i'm cool with it, really. all i did here was share with you what i believe.
please take the time to read this! this was just some info on my church and beliefs. thank you and god bless.
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Dude, I'm just pointing out your heresy. I'm not asking for a word salad explanation...
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well then, i think we shouldn't point out each other's heresies and keep quiet!Β Β
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I don't commit heresies because I follow sacred tradition.
But nice try.
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what does "nice try" mean? what did you mean by that?
better be a child and believe simply, than be wise and prudent, and become heavy laden and overworked.Β
look, i think we're done here. i will not block you, but i think you should stop "pointing out my heresies". if you think they're heresies, i get points in heaven, so continue following sacred tradition. i will never be ignorant of anyone's religious faith; in fact, i appreciate it and encourage it! you, therefore, have accused me falsely of being "smug and ignorant". besides, even if i go to heaven or hell, what is that to you? don't worry! you keep upholding your traditions and such. i have ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM. continue studying various bible translations and reading all those 73 books of yours. continue making catholic art. go on doing your thing. if you don't want to take me seriously, or understand me well enough, okay! i'll get lost and out of your online life.Β
look, i came on this website to post art and get feedback. i never thought this religious debate would be started by an ouf as myself, and escalate it to this point.Β
besides, you speak out of context sometimes. out-of-context speakers annoy me to shreds.
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1.Β :Β a good effort or attempt to do something
Now you're playing the victim card? You chose to comment, peaches. Don't pretend like I'm somehow forcing you to reply.
If you didn't want to have a religious debate, you certainly didn't convey that. You just kept arguing and arguing. If you didn't have a problem with my faith, you wouldn't have been so quick to argue. You insulted my faith numerous times in your replies, and yet you claim you have no problem with it? Bull!
You've been smug and ignorant. You claim to know what the Bible means better than the Church does. You said yourself you're young too, which makes it extra smug.
I don't claim to know everything. I go by what the Catholic Church teaches -- the traditions that have been passed down since its founding.
I speak plainly and bluntly. That's not out of context kiddo. Sola Scriptura is a heretical man-made belief. Period.
After reading his comments, I don't think he was intending to insult your faith, or nothing. He was just stating that some of your practices aren't in line with what the Bible appears to teach.
And you know what? He actually believes Catholic mystics' writings and revelations to be true. He uses their descriptions a lot in his artwork(which, by the way, I highly recommend you to check it out- it appears very Catholic, and it seems you've taught him a lesson!).Β
I can't believe he didn't clearly ask you to explain "nice try!" in your comment! He told me, what he meant was to explain to him what he tried to do, not give the dictionary meaning of "nice try". Sorry 'bout that.Β
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YOU have misunderstood what I said in my previous comment. you are a terrible interpreter of my comments. and your comments tempt me to reply so much, i can't resist. i never claim anything, i've only told you what i learnt from the bible. i visited the links you gave me. it makes me very sad to say that it's YOU CATHOLICS WHO HAVE MISINTERPRETED THE HOLY BIBLE. pathetic.
i have very clearly admitted my mistake above. i can't believe you're so mean. mary would take more time to understand me and bring me on my knees than you would. did this person even READ my comment at least once?!
i should've asked my second question after my first. how stupid of me!
you did speak out of context. if you don't want to admit it, then YOU'RE the "smug and ignorant" one. very sorry to tell you, but you misinterpreted yet another bible passage- what i typed beneath the first line of my previous comment was something the lord himself said- i simply quoted his statement. i never act smug just because i'm a kid. all the kids in my church know their faith and bible well. they don't read it only at mass and church, and use it to pray the rosary. mary would be more than shocked if she knew that people have prayed to her and asked for her intercession. jesus tells such folks,"depart from me, ye workers of iniquity! i never knew you!".
the catholic church may be ancient, but it simply isn't the church which the apostles founded. it simply isn't. it's offices and practices; doctrine and beliefs; devotions and devotees; none of them are christian in the true sense of the world, and if i dare say this, they actually satanic and anti-christian.
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YOU have misunderstood what I said in my previous comment. you are a terrible interpreter of my comments.
Don't blame Porcelain-Requiem for your own inabilities to keep on any kind of coherent track in expressing your opinions. I could hardly comprehend what you were trying to say half the time, myself.
and your comments tempt me to reply so much, i can't resist.
Again, don't blame P-R. That's your problem. You also just had to get the last word in before blocking her, even after all of the creative and numerous ways you managed to insult her faith whilst simultaneously trying to evade an inevitable backlash by being a two-faced flatterer. (Your attempts at complimenting her artwork and trying to be besties out of nowhere are utterly transparent, so don't even.)
i visited the links you gave me. it makes me very sad to say that it's YOU CATHOLICS WHO HAVE MISINTERPRETED THE HOLY BIBLE. pathetic.
And you know for a fact that Catholics have misinterpreted the Bible, do you? Screw 2,000+ years of the steadfast traditions of The Church which have survived criticisms and attacks (verbally, physically, and spiritually) for centuries; the Gospel according to aericmon is the ultimate truth! Alert the Pope!
i have very clearly admitted my mistake above. i can't believe you're so mean. mary would take more time to understand me and bring me on my knees than you would. did this person even READ my comment at least once?!
I think P-R has read all of your comments with a remarkable amount of patience I know I could never have had. For someone who has 'ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM' with Catholic beliefs and traditions, you exhibit a great deal of arrogance, judgment, and rudeness. Even before your little temper tantrum here, you had the complete disrespect to refer to Catholic tradition and rites as 'cow dung', to repeatedly presume that Porcelain-Requiem has never read the Bible and is ignorant of her own faith, and you have incessantly tried to skirt around your own arguments through insincere flattery. You're not fooling anybody here by throwing out a few ass-kissing compliments in between your comments of 'cow dung' and sneering at Catholics as being 'pathetic'.
i never act smug just because i'm a kid.
Could have fooled me!
mary would be more than shocked if she knew that people have prayed to her and asked for her intercession.
Mary already knows that people ask for her to pray on their behalf. Surprise, surprise!
the catholic church may be ancient, but it simply isn't the church which the apostles founded. it simply isn't. it's offices and practices; doctrine and beliefs; devotions and devotees; none of them are christian in the true sense of the world, and if i dare say this, they actually satanic and anti-christian.
Gosh darn it, you just can't swing a dead cat these days without hitting some Satan-worshipping Catholic who's out causing all sorts of mayhem, following and upholding the traditions of the apostles and The Lord Jesus, hailing Mary just as the angel Gabriel himself did, baptising people left and right, feeding, clothing, and educating widows and orphans in third world countries -- upsetting the entire balance of the universe and throwing off all of God's plans by praying the rosary and reading the Apocrypha...
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Whoa, dude, you're roasting him bad!Β
Yes, I agree- I've found many Bible references to Catholic practices, but that's not enough, is it?
How do you know that Mary knows that people ask her to pray on her behalf? I mean, has this been revealed to you guys in some way?Β
I actually know that kid well, man. He's really short of temper, and lacks patience when sharing with people his beliefs. It's okay. I mean, I don't think anyone can remain silent when their faith and religion is suddenly insulted bluntly and painfully.Β
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Oh, it's you again. Aren't you just the brave little soldier, replying to a deactivated account! Any day now, you'll get that internet medal and will finally bring honour to your family. What an adorable little sock puppet account you have, I love it.
Coming to beat the horse which is not only dead, it's decayed to nothing but a pile of bones -- have you actually been losing sleep on this one for almost a year now that you had to start shit up again? I am so sorry that this old argument has bothered you for this long. Personally, I had forgotten all about it, since I'd had bigger and better problems to nurture, but I appreciate you serving as a brief distraction. It's like a breath of fresh air.
I actually know that kid well, man. He's really short of temper, and lacks patience when sharing with people his beliefs. It's okay. I mean, I don't think anyone can remain silent when their faith and religion is suddenly insulted bluntly and painfully.
Oh, I'll bet 'he' has a lot of problems, for sure, if 'he' has really been nursing year-old wounds this whole time. Next time apply some ointment to your burns, you'll feel better sooner. Now why don't you toddle off and go play ball in traffic, like the other kids do.
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