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Description What really happened in Jedwabne in 1941? According to the book by the liar - Jan Tomasz Gross and the verdict of a fake process (it was under communist occupation in 1949-1950)  - a group of about 40 Polish inhabitants of Jedwabne, inspired by the Germans massacred and burned in the barn the entire Jewish population of town, a few hundred people. The problem is - nothing in this story is  right, everything - from the number of victims, to the suspects of that massacre - everything is contradicted by hard evidence. Witness of the events in the process - as it turned out he was at that time in prison in Minsk and could not be at the scene. But the relations of two polish witnesses  - back then 9 and 13 year old children seeing the whole thing out of the window - claiming that crime was made by Germans - their testimony has been  declared not important as there were some minor differences in their statements . Ekshumation - was interrupted at the moment when it turned out that the bodies - not affected by any signs of murder with knives or sharp objects - had traces of shooting wounds in the back of their heads, and small arms and machinegun shells - there were no possibility that Polish civilians during the war under occupation had firearms, they hadn't got also that amount of fuel which is required for arson a barn. These are just some of the dozens  facts that did not match too the official version. Massacre in Jedwabne was one of many German crimes against the Jewish populatio.
from next year, our nation is obliged to pay the pensions of the Jews who survived the Holocaust - even though we were the most helpfull of all the countries under occupation when it comes to saving Jews from the German machinery of death. Still we are instantly under heavy and unfair anti-polish propaganda, especially when it comes to western countries.






Co naprawdę wydarzyło się w Jedwabnem w 1941 roku? Wg książki kłamcy Jana Tomasza Grossa i werdyktu pospiesznie przeprowadzonego dochodzenia i procesu - grupa ok. 40 Polskich mieszkańców jedwabnego, inspirowani przez niemców wyrżneli i spalili w stodole całą ludność żydowską miasteczka, kilkuset ludzi. Problem jest - nic w tej historii się nie zgadza, wszystko - od liczby ofiar, po osoby sprawców - wszystko zostaje podważone przez twarde dowody. Świadek zdarzenia w procesie - jak się okazało był w owym czasie w więzieniu w Mińsku i nie mógł być na miejscu zdarzenia. Za to relację dwóch świadków ze strony Polskiej - rodzeństwo - wówczas 9 i 13 letnich dzieci widzący całe zdarzenie z okna - twierdzące że za zbrodnie odpowiadają Niemcy - ich zeznania składane po kilkudziesięciu latach zostały uznane za nieważne, z powodu drobnych różnic. Eksuhmacja - została przerwana w momencie kiedy okazało się że zwłoki - nienoszące śladów zabójstwa nożami i tasakami - mają ślady postrzałów, i z broni krótkiej i maszynowej - nie było jakiejkolwiek możliwości żeby Polscy cywile w czasie wojny pod zaborami posiadali broń palną, nie mieli również paliwa w ilości potrzebnej do podpalenia stodoły . To tylko kilka z dziesiątek niezgadzających się faktów, pod Jedwabnem doszło do jednego z wielu Niemieckich pogromów ludności żydowskiej - mimo to oficjalna wersja podaje Polaków jako sprawców, mało tego od przyszłego roku nasz naród zobowiązany jest do płacenia emerytur żydom którzy przetrwali holocaust - mimo że jesteśmy najbardziej zasłużonym ze wszystkich krajów pod okupacją jeśli chodzi o ratowanie żydów przed niemiecką machiną śmierci.
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fisttotheface40 [2017-06-08 07:55:02 +0000 UTC]

Country in oppression
Nation in despair
One man seeking reasons everywhere

Growing hate and anger
The Fuhrer's orders were precise
Who was to be blamed and pay the price?

Wicked propaganda
Turning neighbors into foes
Soldiers of the Third Reich searching homes

And then their former friends are watching
As they are round up one by one
Times of persecution's just BEGUN

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Dr-Richtofen-1939 [2014-08-06 22:28:00 +0000 UTC]

I like

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ugiel [2014-07-28 11:21:38 +0000 UTC]

O wielu rzeczach się nie mówi - również o tym, że w '40-tym żydowscy mieszkańcy Jedwabna (będącego wówczas pod sowiecką okupacją) "pomogli" władzy radzieckiej we wskazaniu "kontrrewolucjonistów" spośród polskiej ludności, która tam mieszkała, po czym zagarnęli ich majątki. Kiedyś spotkałem się z opinią, że gdyby Hitler mógł spojrzeć w przyszłość i zobaczyć, jak Żydzi obłowili się na Holokauście, to zapewne nigdy by na niego nie pozwolił Ale to już gdybanie...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=93bMPS… Tyle w temacie, jeśli chodzi o kłamcę Grossa

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propagangjah In reply to ugiel [2014-08-03 06:20:37 +0000 UTC]

oj dużo jeszcze kontrowersyjnych tematów do narysowania i do odkłamania, szykuje właśnie porządną petardę (Jakby kto z gazery wyborczej czy ABW pytał - to mnie tu nie było)

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ugiel In reply to propagangjah [2014-08-03 13:13:53 +0000 UTC]

Tylko uważaj, żebyś przypadkiem nie popełnił samobójstwa

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propagangjah In reply to ugiel [2014-08-03 19:22:10 +0000 UTC]

Heheh Nie planuję

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norriscarrejr [2014-07-25 11:54:50 +0000 UTC]

wow heavy and nice work.some history is harsh . i like you;er  work.

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propagangjah In reply to norriscarrejr [2014-07-25 12:25:38 +0000 UTC]

Thanks. Yes and there is lots of lies floating through the world about all this events that happend around here sadly..

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Razielus91 [2014-07-25 11:19:26 +0000 UTC]

Prawda - Nikt nie ma ochoty pomyśleć i logicznie przyznać, że to nie możliwe, żeby żeby zrabowana wieś miała środki, żeby przeprowadzić taką masakarę

Ta sprawa ładnie pokazuje wpływ syjonistycznych ugrupowań w Polsce
Każdy pamiętam o sprawie Żydów, ale o Holokauście Słowian to już tylko kilku wspomni

Świetna praca

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propagangjah In reply to Razielus91 [2014-07-25 12:23:53 +0000 UTC]

jest wiele stron medali w historii stosunków Polsko-Żydowskich w których się jawnie kłamie, i wiele stron o których się totalnie nie mówi. Ten rysunek to tylko zarysowanie samego czubka góry lodowej niestety..
Dzięki

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Razielus91 In reply to propagangjah [2014-07-26 07:36:58 +0000 UTC]

Zgadzam się. Na szczęście są ludzie (nieliczni, bo nieliczni, ale zawsze), którzy nie boją się o tym rozmawiać
Proszę

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Wolfkrieg88 [2014-07-24 22:59:31 +0000 UTC]

Wow naprawdę świetne! 

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Arminius1871 [2014-07-24 07:55:52 +0000 UTC]

Ah a very sad chapter, and it´s good that you show the truth.
I also read that the Russians said many crimes they did, the Germans did. So all lied somehow XD

Poland had an unlucky geographical position, it was really hurt badly.

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propagangjah In reply to Arminius1871 [2014-07-24 11:22:44 +0000 UTC]

the good example of what You say is massacre of Polish officers in Katyn - which was for years percived as Germans crime, and after like 40 years it appeared it was done by soviets. Sadly the JEdwabne case is still - till today - percieved like a Polish Crime, and even after 'communism falls' in 89' people who were sentenced wasn't never rehabilitated, and there are still movies like "Poklosie" which shows it like the official statement says. And yes - Jan Tomasz Gross - is still writing his "scientfic books: with statements like the JEws was more afraid of Poles, then the Germans in Warsaw Uprising, which is TOTAL ABSURD - but people belives him,

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Arminius1871 In reply to propagangjah [2014-07-24 12:49:35 +0000 UTC]

Yes I hate it, seems lies are stronger than the truth :/ But noone can hide the truth forever.
And I think as a patriot, it´s my duty to accept also the dark sides of my country´s history.

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propagangjah In reply to Arminius1871 [2014-07-24 13:08:00 +0000 UTC]

Oh the propaganda didn't get any weaker. Its also sad to say - but in fact it appears you Can hide the truth forever. Destroyed documents, burned books and libraries - I have lot of worries about how would world see this times in next 100 years or so, when there will be no people who remembers it.

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Arminius1871 In reply to propagangjah [2014-07-24 14:16:00 +0000 UTC]

When that people don´t exist it can even become better. Look, 30 years ago, everyone believed the Versailles dictate was good
and Germany was the only guilty one. Then when the old generation was away, the historians slowly say, wait this was definitly
not just germanys fault, but the fault of all nations, and we even see 1914-1945 as one big conflict that continued from the first
to the second world war.
How will historians see other events in 20 years? History is made good or evil by the current living generations.

Oh btw. did u hear in all german, french and british cities, radical moslems shout anti-jewish sayings and burn flags of Israel,
they did even attack football players from Israel in Austria. And our news never say clearly who is making it.
They are clever, they mention old news where Neonazis did sth years ago, and said 20% of the population is antijewish.
But they never say, who! And its not the Germans, French or British, its the islamic immigrants here. That´s not racist, that´s fact,
anyone can check it in online videos.

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propagangjah In reply to Arminius1871 [2014-07-24 14:27:49 +0000 UTC]

It can even became better - but not for Poles sadly - as we don't really have much to be ashamed about - rememberence of that days works on our case, the less veterans we have - the more insolent lies about Poland gets - In 1950 no one would ever think that half of the world would speak about "polish concentration camps" trully beliving that Poles was the executioners, not the victims - but today - whole lots of Americans thinks Poles was the Nazists, or claims that Stalin did nothing wrong.. The longer period of time passes - the more agressive lies about us we hear.
I can imagine that - I've seen some pictures, as you see propaganda works diffrent then in 39 - but It works. You at least has lots of movies that shows you good way - in Poland its much easier to get your movie finansed if you wish to show the fall, not the rise. I'm not even mentioning the US war movies and how they show Poles, and again we have very little ammo to defent ourselves

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Arminius1871 In reply to propagangjah [2014-07-24 15:03:43 +0000 UTC]

Mh how about the polish movie industry, can you not create something that gets international attention
with pro-polish themes? Or would you only have leftist movie makers? XD

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propagangjah In reply to Arminius1871 [2014-07-24 15:18:12 +0000 UTC]

Its difficult. We have lots of movies about our history, but those which are trully historical correct has difficulties to find investors, and if the movie is relased - it doesn't even go to cinemas abroad. If the movie is anti-christian or has some additions of "Polish bandits" in place where AK soldiers should be, or if it's about brave but senseless dying - It does have investors from Germany, Izrael or Russia - the movie goes to the worlds theatres and recive some weird awards. There was this movie "Walesa" year or two ago - about a former president who - everyone in Poland knows he was an agent and a traitor - but If you want to show soviet agent as a hero - you'll get no problem with finding funds.
If you would like to make movie about our greatest hero of WWII - Witold Pilecki I've painted lately - well, there is no such a movie. There were once movie about his death - and it was extremely low budget - and produced strictly to TV.

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Arminius1871 In reply to propagangjah [2014-07-25 09:02:43 +0000 UTC]

Ah that´s shit man, I´m sorry for that. But it´s rather similar here,
you won´t find any proud movies from the Bismarck time or sth like that
only guilt shit from the world war XD

But at least they made a rather cool series about german history from Karl the Great
to the Weimar Republic. If you are interested, even when it´s not Poland, you can
watch this compilation. Usually there are 20 parts a 45 mins, but this is a compilation
in a short 1,5 hours:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSGFmt…

Just if u have a boring weekend or such XD Don´t wanna bother you of course.

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propagangjah In reply to Arminius1871 [2014-07-25 12:04:07 +0000 UTC]

Yeas but guilt shit or not - stalingrad or dass boot - rocks, those was great movies
We've got some nice movies about earlier eras - like with fire and sword trilogy - about 17th century- but eeven If I like theese movies hussars looks there rather funny, not that powerfull. And some nice - but historicaly changed movies made in PRL like HUBAL - but
there is no word about soviets in it like it would never happened.
I'll check it out If I got a few moments

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JacekIINowy [2014-07-24 05:56:11 +0000 UTC]

Dziękuję za obraz, jest wspaniały!
Równie wielkie, jak nie większe, podziękowania za komentarz!
Musimy bronić swojego dobrego imienia.

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propagangjah In reply to JacekIINowy [2014-07-24 11:23:04 +0000 UTC]

Dzięki!
Oczywiście mamy dużo do odkłamywania..

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