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TotalmentoTulio [2020-03-09 01:21:56 +0000 UTC]

Women's rights under Islam:

Read the article below and then check out some examples of “women's rights":

The Islamic Law manual, The Reliance of the Traveler, a document by the “moderate” Al-Ahzar University in Egypt (the same where US President Obama delivered a speech in 2009, strengthening the Muslim Brotherhood), defines it as Women's Rights the next:

1. Women should be circumcised (having the clitoris cut off)
2. They cannot leave the home without authorization from their father, husband or guardian. When they leave, they need the company of a man (relative).
3. They can only marry a Muslim (men can marry infidels).
4. They need permission from the parent or legal guardian to get married.
5. They can only marry once (men, up to 4 ... in addition to sex slaves [Quran 4: 3] ... and can marry as many temporary wives as they want).
6. They can be divorced for any reason, if the man only needs to say 3 times: “I get divorced” (they don't have the same right), known as “triple talal.”
7. Wives can get [Quran 4:34] - read why here.
8. Right of Inheritance: The part of the man must be twice that of the woman [Quran 4:11; 4: 176].
9. In cases of adultery or rape, a woman needs the testimony of four men [Quran 24: 11-20]. If she does not prove her innocence (even from the rape), she is stoned. 
10. The testimony of the woman is worth half the testimony of the man [Quran 2: 282].
11. Wives can be raped.
12. Except when in front of close relatives, they must cover themselves by showing only their eyes and hands [Quran 33:59].
13. Daughters can be killed by their parents, in the so-called “honor crime” - read more here and here.
14. Child custody belongs to the father, or the father's family if the wife (widow) is not a good Muslim.
These rights are applied differently in Islamic countries depending on how secular or radical they are. But all schools of Islamic jurisprudence agree with these rights (in other words, this is what Muslims learn as the Law of Allah with regard to women).
Where do these “rights” come from?
1. Female circumcision (mutilation of the genitalia)

2. Permission to leave the house:

m10.4 The husband may forbid his wife from leaving the house (O: because of the hadith reported by Bayhaqi that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said. “It is not permissible for a woman who believes in Allah and last day allow someone to enter your husband's house if he is opposed, or to leave it if he is averse ”). But, if one of your relatives dies, it is preferable to let her go out to visit them.

3. They cannot marry whomever they wish:

Do not dismiss idolatrous men [with their women] until they are converted. (Quran 2: 221)

4. Permission to marry comes from the guardian:

m3.13 (1) The only guardian who can impose his guard on getting married is the father of a virgin bride, or the father of her father, imposing means to marry her to an appropriate party (def. m4) without his consent.

5. Polygamy and sexual slavery (see note on “what is licit sex” at the end of everything):

Marry two or three or four women who look good to you; and if you are afraid that you cannot do justice (for so many) then one (only) or (the captives) that your right hand has (Quran 4: 3).

6. Divorce

n2.1 A free man has 3 pronouncements of divorce (O: because of the word of Allah Most High, “Divorce is twice, then keep kindly or release gracefully” (Quran 2: 229), and when the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) he was asked about the third time, he said, "it is Allah's saying, 'or release gracefully'").

7. Wives can get:

Good wives are devoutly obedient and keep what Allah would have kept in their absence. As for those, in whose part you fear rebellion, (first) admonish them, (later) refuse to share your beds, (and lastly) hit them; but if they return to obedience, seek nothing more against them. (Quran, 4:34)

8. Inheritance:

Allah demands respect (provision for) his children: to man the equivalent of two women,… (Quran 4:11).

… For men the equivalent of two women (Quran 4: 176).

9 and 10. The testimony of man is worth more:

Call two male witnesses among yourselves, but if two men cannot be found, then one man and two women judged to be able to act as witnesses… ”(Quran 2: 282)

o24.7 testimony of the following is legally acceptable when it comes to cases involving ownership, or property-related transactions, such as sales:
(1) two men;
(2) two women and a man;o24.9 If testimony pertains to fornication or sodomy, then it requires four male witnesses (O: whoever testifies, in case of fornication, witnesses who saw the offender insert the head of his penis into the vagina).

o24.10 If testimony is related to things that men do not normally see (o: but women do), such as childbirth, then it is sufficient to have two male witnesses, or one man and two women, or four women.

And why is man's testimony worth more?
"The Prophet said," Isn't the testimony of a woman equal to half that of a man? " The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the deficiency of the woman's mind." Sahih Bukhari 3: 48: 826

And, of course, Allah said:

... And call to testify, among your men, two of them as witnesses. And if there are not two men at your disposal, then a man and two women, so as you approve as witnesses, so that if you speak wrong (by forgetting) the other will remember. … Quran 2: 282

11. "Wives can be raped." This statement does not make sense when viewed from the point of view of Islamic Sharia law, because according to her rape is violent adultery. If a husband forces himself on his wife, she must understand that sex is part of the marriage and the act cannot be called rape, despite being scolding. Therefore, according to Sharia, a wife is never raped, even when it does happen.

12. All must be covered, leaving only the eyes and hands visible:

Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters, and all Muslim women, to wear capes and veils covering your entire body (covering yourself completely except for one or two eyes to see the way). This is going to be better. They will not be bored or harassed. (Quran 33:59)

13. Parents can kill daughters (Islamic law manual Umdat al-Salik):
o1.1 Retaliation is mandatory against anyone who intentionally and lawlessly kills a human being.

o1.2 The actions below are not subject to retaliation:


(2) a Muslim for killing a non-Muslim;

(4) a father or mother (or their parents or their mothers) for killing their children or grandchildren. ”

14. The Islamic law manual Umdat al-Salik, law k13.2, says that the father is the guardian. Law No. 13 says that if a wife becomes a widow, this creates a "dispute" but she remains guarded, on condition that the children are raised as Muslims. If the children's grandparents feel that the mother is not doing her duty (to provide education in Islam for her children) they can argue that she is not in a position to guard, accusing her of being a (morally) corrupt person and taking the case to a Sharia court.



Parentheses: what would be “lawful sex” under Islamic law?

For man:

Sex with one of your 4 wives.
Sex with a woman “that your right hand has” (sex slave = non-Muslim woman… and there are rules for that too that even justify the rape of non-Muslim women - that's why Mohammed is the most common name among rapists in England).
Regardless of his marital status, a man can have sex with a temporary wife. The man can have several temporary wives simultaneously.
For woman:

Sex with your husband.
Sex with a "husband" under a temporary marriage contract (only if she is single, divorced or widowed - a married woman cannot arrange a provisional marriage: that would be adultery). 

That is, Islam favors male lust.

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TotalmentoTulio [2020-03-09 01:21:42 +0000 UTC]

News summary on Women's Rights under Islam and how they have been enforced - February 2020:

12-year-old girl dies in Egypt after suffering female genital mutilation. www.elmundo.es/internacional/2…

“A piece of meat”: how some Muslim men see white women. www.raymondibrahim.com/2019/12…

Pakistani court decides that men can marry underage girls after the first period - The decision was taken by the Sindh High Court on February 3, during the hearing of Huma Younus, a 14-year-old Catholic girl who was kidnapped, pressured to convert to Islam and forced to marry. The court also maintained the marriage (regardless of the kidnapping) and the forced conversion. www.globalcitizen.org/en/conte…

Pakistan: Parliament proves resolution calling for public hanging of child murderers and rapists
The non-binding resolution reflects outrage over high-profile child sexual abuse cases in recent years.
One might think that this is a good thing (after all, pedophiles have more to pay for crime) but it does not affect pedophilia approved by Islam, for example, adult marriage with girls.
 www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic…

Saudi Arabia: Saudi rapper faces prison by video called Mecca Girl Saudis have asked for the arrest of a rapper who released a music video for his song Mecca Girl, which praises women in the holy city as "powerful and beautiful".

www.dailystar.co.uk/news/lates…

Indonesia: ‘Strong sperm’ can impregnate women in swimming pools, says child protection chief
"Even without penetration, men can be sexually excited [by women in the pool] and ejaculate, causing a pregnancy," she says. "No one is sure how men react to the sight of women in a pool." www.independent.co.uk/news/wor…

A 10-year-old Somali girl dies after being subjected to female genital mutilation. elpais.com/internacional/2018/…

Great Britain: Woman converts to Islam, plans jihad to blow up St. Paul's Cathedral and says: "I want to kill a lot"
"Shaikh converted to Islam in 2007 after being impressed by the goodness of his Muslim neighbors, but later became isolated and apparently rejected conventional Islam" (that is, he submitted to the example of Muhammad). www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-51…

Photos that speak for themselves:
In Somalia:
A woman from Somalia has been disseminating photos of Somalia, before and after the infiltration of the Islamic ideological strand called Wahabism. She says:
“My culture versus the culture of the colonizers.
Rest in peace mother Somalia. I feel like I lost you forever in Wahhabism - a beautiful destroyed culture ”.
twitter.com/AniaAden

Indonesians are resorting to Islamic exorcisms to 'heal' members of the LGBTQ community, understand that there are women in this group spectrum. Muslim conversion therapists believe they can expel “deviant” sexual orientations using the power of religion. The exorcism process involves everything from prayers to lashes. In some cities, such as Padang and West Sumatra, these exorcisms are sponsored by the government. www.vice.com/amp/en_in/article…

Indonesia may force LGBT people to rehabilitate under the "family resilience" bill. A bill to be considered by the Indonesian Parliament would compel people with “deviant” sexual persuasions to undergo “rehabilitation”.

www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-20…

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SomwhereDreaming [2016-01-12 18:13:00 +0000 UTC]

Okay, so muslim mens are animals, because they need stuff to prevent them from being attracted to femals (because they cant stop themself), and still islamic countrys(yes, those with the Hijab) has the highest rape rates?

You surely see...you failed with this try.

North worth discussing the Hijab otherwise, i see enough comments as answer with sense already and support them.

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XellDincht [2015-05-28 18:21:03 +0000 UTC]

So by your twisted logic it is the fault of woman that get molested if they dont wear muslim clothes? because male muslims act like animals otherwise?

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fairlyoddme [2014-09-04 09:55:59 +0000 UTC]

I agree with all this except when you brought up the implementation of Shariah law, as Muslims we are meant to preach not force.

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Kingdomkey [2012-05-29 00:18:25 +0000 UTC]

I don't mean for this so seem sexist, ok, maybe it IS sexist but you as a man bringing up that wearing less clothes as a sign of freedom is a ploy by men to make them whores but saying being modest is the right thing to do... It doesn't make a strong case for me, as you are a man telling us what we should do. It is the woman's choice at the end of the day and it is about her relationship with God and how she interprets the Qur'an or the Bibles words as we all see things in different light.

Women that dress modestly still get raped and dressing in revealing clothing is not and invitation for someone to harass us.

It should not be the aim to blame victims, but to punish those that are in the wrong.

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Black-Jack-Am [2012-04-05 16:54:49 +0000 UTC]

Aside from a couple historical facts this was well put together, though I feel you don't see the other side of the argument. As a Jewish woman, I see both sides of this. I feel that while to an extent modesty is great, but implementing Sharia will not prevent rape. The reasons why Muslim nation have such a low rape rate is because a lot of instances of rape go unreported.

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Anony-mouse-cat In reply to Black-Jack-Am [2012-06-22 18:58:26 +0000 UTC]

This is very true. The USA has a high incidence of rape due to a broad definition of what constitutes rape (Which includes spousal rape and coercian), a high rate of report (of which much still goes unreported), and not as many barriers to reporting it. If, as in an Islamic country, you would be expected to marry your rapist, there is an enormous barrier to reporting that it occured and if a woman feels raped in her marriage she couldn't report it but yes, she can at least divorce him.
Islam raised women up from the status they had -at the time it came to be-. It has not since moved forward to offer protection from forced marriages, from being too young for marriage and child-bearing in an era when our years are much longer than they were then, and, when it is a state-enforced religion, it does not allow for people to follow the guidance and believe they way they feel they should - rather than how others feel they should.
Islam is as valuable and kind of a religion as christianity and Judaism and can be practiced in a safe and healthy way. I am a non-Islamic woman but I admire (and sometimes wear) Islamic dress to feel happy with myself and content with the coverage so people will read my dress and understand why I wear it. I also, sometimes, don't wear it and that, too, is what I want. I respect the right to have the choice.

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2011anvil [2012-02-01 16:31:43 +0000 UTC]

v.neat good job

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mclili [2012-01-28 19:36:55 +0000 UTC]

Awsome

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Harmaasusi [2012-01-04 13:06:26 +0000 UTC]

I rather listen to Ayaan Hirsi Ali than you. [link]

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rojo-elaalex [2011-12-21 12:04:01 +0000 UTC]

Whatever we wear,
Wherever we go,
Yes means yes,
And no means No.

~Slutmarch Slogan, 2011


Clothes have nothing to do with it.

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abu-lihya In reply to rojo-elaalex [2014-12-29 10:14:28 +0000 UTC]

basically it's all about modesty 
many women i see don't even wear the headdress yet the wear modest clothing and so do all the men. So while clothes dont matter you shouldn't go out in nothing but your underwear.

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Acorn83 [2011-11-22 22:18:17 +0000 UTC]

So in countries where women are required by law to wear Hijab are men also required to wear Hijab?

And also, while I agree that the extreme sexualization of women (wearing make up at a young age, etc.) is overall bad for them I don't think forcing them the other way is a good thing either. I think the ideal society would be one that suggests modesty, and where parents control their children to keep them from ruining their lives before knowing better, but once they are adults they are able to make their own decisions and learn from their own mistakes if they desire.

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Junco9 [2011-11-07 21:24:11 +0000 UTC]

I understand what you mean and can agree with some of your points, but like other people have pointed out there are some flaws in your arguements.

I don't understand the logic that dressing modestly will automatically reduce the instance of rape. Sure, a woman in Hijab may give some would-be molestors reason to pause, others could just as easily use it as an excuse to harrass a woman. No matter who he is harrassing, the person who commits that act should be the one to blame, not the victim, regardless of what she was wearing at the time. What the woman was wearing won't necessarily prevent something bad from happening to her - for example, I used to work at a coffee shop where all employees wore uniforms. The men's and women's uniforms were almost identical, and none of them were at all provocative or revealing. All of us would joke about how badly they fit, and how they made us all look the same. At the same time, one of the men I worked with would take every oppurtunity to harrass me and other female coworkers, calling us rude names and accusing us of being sluts for reason other than he thought our reactions were funny. Like I said, none of us were wearing anything to provoke these comments, in fact we were wearing more or less the same thing the man was wearing! Because we were women, he saw us as acceptable targets. If one of us had been wearing a hijab, would he have done the same thing? Even if he would have left a hijabi woman alone, would that have made his harrassing the rest of us any more understandable or acceptable?

If a woman chooses to dress modestly as a way of expressing a certain set of morals, well, that's perfectly fine, and I have no problem with it - and I don't think anyone else should take issue with it either. But you can't treat hijab like it's some kind of armour - it's not. There are, sadly, some people in this world who will take the oppurtunity to do awful things to women regardless of her behaviour. Also, a crime like rape has in many cultures an association with shame for the victim, so, like another commenter said, many victims don't report it. Unfortunately, that means many countries probably have a much higher rate of sexual crime than it may seem at first. Simple statistics can be decieving.

So, while hijab could, like you said, help women to feel more respectable and honoured, you can't expect it to suddenly reduce crimes against women. Every society has a different outlook on how people can behave, and implementing shariah laws will not necessarily change any of those beliefs without a problem.

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KlinkHammer [2011-09-12 09:33:39 +0000 UTC]

apperantly equality isnt followed

the men still degrade the women despite this

and the men who do so will find many loop holes to use againts the woman

shariah has many loop holes, a good overhaul is needed if it were to be used effectivly in this day and age

the stoning part thats still practiced are of concern

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missyuna In reply to KlinkHammer [2011-10-10 12:28:09 +0000 UTC]

And how are women degraded then men then? Could u show some proves

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KlinkHammer In reply to missyuna [2011-10-11 06:30:08 +0000 UTC]

the law is is flawed and since men are the ones usually in the position of power, women are discouraged from joining, and the law it self puts more favor to men the women.

although, despite all of this in my country where muslims are the second largest religion, the sharia is not really followed to the letter so women are treated better than the more muslim states.

but i really think its the government of the muslim state and they're using sharia as a excuse, a more secular the government the better

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missyuna In reply to KlinkHammer [2011-10-11 07:18:46 +0000 UTC]

but how do you know that Sharia tells that women shall be degraded, do you have the law in front of you ?

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KlinkHammer In reply to missyuna [2011-10-11 16:19:37 +0000 UTC]

tell me then

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missyuna In reply to KlinkHammer [2011-10-11 19:05:00 +0000 UTC]

basically, the Sharia law can be found in the Holy Book Qu'ran. You have read it?

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KlinkHammer In reply to missyuna [2011-10-12 10:21:18 +0000 UTC]

can you summerize the most important(the most well known) laws?
then i can tell you why sharia is flawed and easily exploited by politics

if there is, link me to a translated version on english

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missyuna In reply to KlinkHammer [2011-10-12 14:55:15 +0000 UTC]

I can't really say for sure , because I'm not a scholar, and I myself am a student. However though, there are videos that speaks in some point about sharia and the so called "involvement of Sharia in western countries", you can watch the debate from here [link] , "Is Islam threat to the west?". Sharia law is nothing simple, but very wide and complex depends on the situations and the people. It also handles with economy, social conflicts and various of situations, which his hard to handle even at the secular system in the west. But I can tell you this, Sharia doesn't degrade women, just to make that clear.
Oh, and here's a good site that exlains about fatwa and fiqh, although the Islamic law known as Sharia [link]

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KlinkHammer In reply to missyuna [2011-10-12 15:57:17 +0000 UTC]

if the koran is to be taken seriously as in THE WORD no metaphors and such, then its dangerous, a real threat

however if its like the bible its simply a moral guide NOT a law that is like "You will get imprisoned,executed,tortured,etc" then its is not worth to be fussed over

but i must wonder, why does most (or some) muslims go over board when their beliefs are insulted, buddhist dont give a damn, hindus just keep to themselves, Christianity(excluding the fundie minority) just dont care, would result to death threats to make their point.

enlighten me

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missyuna In reply to KlinkHammer [2011-10-12 22:05:07 +0000 UTC]

I need to make some points here. We are 1,5 billion muslims in the world. If the Holy Qu'ran is according to you "dangerous", then we muslims would have just done the same thing like almost all the terrorists do, like going war over and over. To understand Qu'ran, u can't simply take one verse that seems "violent" and tell now this is what Qu'ran teaches. In order to understand Qu'ran, you must intepret it in two conditions, intertextual and contextual. Taking one verse of the context, will simply break the message and delusion the entire context. For instance ,this verse which many islamphobes favor most is 9:5 "..And kill them wherever you find them..", not only is the translation wrong, but it has been taken out of a war context. So what I'm trying to say is that by readin Qu'ran is not piece of cake, you MUST interpret it intertextual and contextual, second, it is more referral to know and understand arabic, because sometimes you find words in arabic, that cannot be tranlsated in any language.Also, you cannot take a war verses and combine it with what happens at some situasions today, simply because they don't fit together and the verse is coming from a different timeline and different situation. To understand Qu'ran, it requires endless with study and holding a high wisdom, it's not enough by just reading a few sentence and then "be all and end all of it", it requires high intellectual understanding.

To understand the reason the wisdom behind the islamic law, you almost have to read and study Qu'ran, simple as that. For me, I'm a student


I agree with you though, muslims shouldn't go and threat other peoples lives because of some person said this and said that. Threaten someone is wrong, and that's it. But the person who insults, does not only get away with it,this person can be a professor, an author, an actress, a king or someone else who tells something about Islam to the world, and they spend money on the lies they produce, more and more people will get influenced in that "insult", and learn from it and use it to attack muslims. It's a spiral of consequenses. But STILL, a muslim cannot threaten other peoples lives, no matter how cruel and ignorant these people are. However, there are muslims around the world who condems the person who made the insult and also the muslim who tries to kill the person, because both are doing wrong, see ? But the problem is that the westen media NEVER bother to listen to us muslims, so they instead go to those who are doing wrong, isn't that obvious? Like that link I gave to u about the debate, such thing happens in every corner of the world, but do the western media even consider recording them, I think not...

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KlinkHammer In reply to missyuna [2011-10-13 01:32:42 +0000 UTC]

I said POLITICALLY its dangerous, easily exploited by a corrupt leader, it happened with the bible (ie dark ages) here in the the more civilized mordern era, we are smarter than our ancestors, we know better than them, the islamic lay, the bible anything written before the age of enlightenment was based on fears that are just imagined or simply paranoia. just look how iran, iraq, and pakistan turned up they take things that in my opinion should just be kept on their own household, not shoving it on someone elses throats.

i wont study arabic unless i have to, but maybe someday

muslims where im from are completely friendly, i had a buddy who was a muslim, and i know a TRUE muslim never threatens anyone, this is what i truly mean by it being exploited the taliban have been doing it for decades, the middle eastern countries ive mention use it to strike fear on either their own people or foreigners, with stoning and beheading and the like. have you heard of the abu sayyaff of the philippines?

the real reason why the west is biased againts islam is because stoning and beheadings(especially the televised by the taliban) have made them think you are a threat. the taliban are real cam whores, but if ALL muslims show they are here not to be an ass but rather a people who is willing to help with progress

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mutaffing [2011-09-11 08:47:37 +0000 UTC]

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missyuna In reply to mutaffing [2011-10-10 12:37:58 +0000 UTC]

there is no "muslim countries" -_-

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rokujo-kouichi [2011-09-06 17:03:26 +0000 UTC]

Ancient egyptian don't considered women evil lol or devil

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MathildasDoubel [2011-08-20 22:35:49 +0000 UTC]

First, I fully respect Women choosing freely to wear a Hijab.
Wearing modest clothing and even cover their head is also not something that is limited to Islam, I know atleast from Christianity and Judaism, that there are also groups that practice this. (they just don't call it Hijab). Just because something is not islamic also doesn't mean that these people run around nakid in any period. For example in the high middle ages in europe most men and women wore some kind of head covering, may it be a veil, a hood a hat or a cap. The catholic church even wanted the people to be fully covered when they had sex with your partner. They had these special nightgown, which covered everything down to their feets but with a little hole in it to make it technical work...but please don't ask me of people really used it, it sounds really uncomfortable.


what I think that is offensive is, that you say you want the shariah, so the islamic law being also forced on people that are not Muslims.
Actually people, may they be Muslims or not shouldn't be forced to be sentenced by a law that will make them loose their life or the physical integrity of their body. I beleive that god gave a human being a body, a soul and a life for a reason...humans a state or a religion should not damage this present.
And as far as I know, the scharia allowed coporal punishments and is not generally against the death penalty. (If i'm telling stupid stuff, I'm sorry).


Also, statistically the most violations and abuses of women, men and children happen inside the family. this means they often get violated by their fathers, sons, uncles or brothers or by very close friends, not by some random hooligan.
Of course there are hooligans that are violant and become sexual criminals, but the problem is that a lot of the violence happens inside the family and the victims keep their mouth shut because they don't want to lose their family or because they are too ashamed.
(I'm not talking about islamic families specifically, but about families in general regardless of the religion.)

No person should hurt another person totally independently of waht the victim is wearing. Even if they run around in their birthday suit, the people should respect them as what they are: humans.
What ever a person may wear and if they had „f*ck me“ written on their forehead, it should never be used as an excuse to force sexual actions upon them against their will.

What I personally don't get is, why men shouldn't be allowed to wear women cloths or the other way.
I mean... it's not like they hurt anyone by doing so...

everyone should wear, what they want to, as long as they aren't in places, where they insult other, for example in a church or a mosque.
Just wearing a veil doesn't make you better person and wearing a miniskirt doesn't make you slut, even when i decide wearing a miniskirt over my head doesn't make me another person...it just makes me look pretty stupid.
first foremost it should be the person that counts and not a piece of cloth. (this excludes of course cloths and symbols that are against the humans right or extremely offensive, like uniform parts of certain dictatorships for example.)
But when people decide to wear the Hijab because of cultural or religious reasons, they should do that without being bothered by some stupid law.

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Sakura136 [2011-07-14 22:04:36 +0000 UTC]

pujaantarbangsa,i don't mean to offend you in any way and if my comment offend you,i'm really sorry but...i prefer die that to wear a hijab and all the kit...really,it wouldn't help,i would be grieved to wear these,i like short,jeans,t-shirt,tank top and wear something who cover ALL my body would sad me...and i think that laws would not help,sensibilation yes,radical clothing,no.Hope i made you understand my point of you

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Person-no-254 [2011-05-07 21:26:42 +0000 UTC]

I think the hijab, when worn by choice, is an absolutely beautiful thing, a sign of faith and love for the religion of Islam-

But there's a mentality that has been continued over the years by both secular and religious society that it is a woman's fault if she gets raped, due to her clothing/actions/demeanor. I understand that there are things you shouldn't do in certain places: I wouldn't walk down a dark alley in a bad neighborhood in a miniskirt, tank top, and high heels.
But a woman who does and is raped did not deserve it any more than a woman in a floor length dress and/or hijab.
People(men AND women) who rape others are the committers of the crime.
Maybe modern society is too free with sexuality/nudity- but rapists are the ones who cannot control their own needs, for sex, for power over someone else (which, most often, is the real reason for rape.) THEY should be punished. Everyone should be free to express themselves, and in my opinion, that means expressing their god-given sexuality in whatever way they want, including choosing not to express it in public.

I feel like the "protection against immoral men" is the weakest argument to support the hijab. However, I do agree that many people stereotype Islam and other religions into oppressing women. If a woman chooses to wear hijab, it's her own choice and she hasn't been oppressed! But it does need to be a choice. And the blame for immorality should be put on the immoral people who commit crimes, not the people who can express their sexuality and not harm others.

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friedchikkin [2011-05-03 07:55:34 +0000 UTC]

subhaanallah! I am blessed to have run into this!

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KlinkHammer [2011-03-02 13:52:51 +0000 UTC]

gotta ask tho, about shariah law, there some rape incidents that the man is let go and the woman who was raped is the one persicuted, but i admit that i do not know where it happened (but i suspect iran, iraq, or saudi) and the persicution of "witches", i do not say this as an insult but to know a muslim's side

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asharikinomiya [2011-01-09 13:47:04 +0000 UTC]

So, basically...Women of Islam wear this clothing so they are not viewed as objects of sexual affection?

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Nanakonomidori [2011-01-02 21:37:16 +0000 UTC]

First of all Why should a person not wear clothes of the opposite sex? those are just clothes and naturally people were naked.
people should wear what they feel comfortably with

Secondly Religion is what you believe so even if You wear clothes with a non believing joke or whatever else so what? What You believe is inside You

And Hijab does NOT prevent molestation. Woman get touched, raped, killed in Islamic countries and no one gives a damn.
Oh yeah sure they in Qran maybe it said that woman and men are equall well none of the Islamic countries seem to care either.

And also I am against woman exposing their bodies like that because they just have no respect for it yh, but You don't have to go so extreme man seriously. Wear normal clothes and what You feel comfortable with. That would make everyone happy.
it should be the womans choice.

And also the teasing bit is right, but there are still decent men out there and as I said I'm against showing off Your body like that.
Also people say that Hijab makes the man liek her for who she is. Bullshit man. How can they Love each other if marriages are arranged?
all of this just contradicts itself.

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twoplustwoisfreedom [2010-12-21 21:23:27 +0000 UTC]

Just because rapes arnt reported doesnt mean they dont happen..
Im offended by alot of the points you made.. You didnt help Islam on this one. you made yourself look ridiculous

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LarissaFae [2010-11-30 09:26:37 +0000 UTC]

A beautiful message, except for one huge, glaring flaw:

Being Western is not a sin. Being Western is not a sin. Being Western is not a sin.

Can we PLEASE get over this "West vs. Islam" b.s.? I am Western. I have ALWAYS been Western. And I am a Muslim. This is not a contradiction.

And for those who think the "Islamic world" is SO superior to the West, let's talk about honour killings, female genital mutilation, forced child marriages, suicide bombings, the eradication of women's rights, killing Muslims & non-Muslims alike, AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S UN-ISLAMIC ABOUT FAR TOO MUCH OF THE "ISLAMIC WORLD."

Let's talk about how Shariah and fiqh have been twisted and perverted. Let's also talk about how America is the ONE country in the world who's ideals, freedoms, and laws are the most Islamic, despite not being under Shariah law --- which is different in every single country it is active in.

This "West vs. Islam" crap has GOT to go. Seriously. It is a set of behaviours that are unIslamic, not an entire hemisphere, not a single country, and I get infuriated when Muslims get SO up in arms over "the horrible West" and yet IGNORE the atrocities that their own cultures perpetuate.

Again, brother, this is a very informative piece, and I apologise for the tone of my reply. But PLEASE remember that for every unIslamic bit of culture that comes out of a non-Muslim country, there are far worse things that come out of Muslim countries. We need to work on perfecting the Islamic community before whining about how bad others are being.

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missyuna In reply to LarissaFae [2011-10-10 12:31:23 +0000 UTC]

I agree to this, and yes to say this, there really is no "Islamic world" or a "muslim country" for that matter, simply because they don't follow Islam -_-'. I am a muslim, and I live in West, but I practice my religion as any other muslim out there

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kfirpanther3 [2010-11-24 11:03:50 +0000 UTC]

I hear in the west that people there say the Muslim lady is oppressed but after seeing a documentary that in one part a muslim woman said: "We aren't oppressed, we're just showing we're muslims."

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Morzhalyth [2010-11-05 05:19:02 +0000 UTC]

Ya know, I never thought about it like that.

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mim-chan13 [2010-09-23 23:24:17 +0000 UTC]

Hmm, I'm not completely on base with all of the arguments here. But this was very informative, and I think that the more people know, that more they will be respectful. Thank you for this.

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stupidpervo [2010-08-05 23:43:53 +0000 UTC]

the christian once implemented his own version of shariah in amarica, it was called the witch trials [link]

it seems im not being fare after all the women in those pictures were all from Pakistan, well then lets look at honor killings ,[link] how do they protect wemen?

when shariah dose start actually protecting women let me know, until then قد تحمي إله بناتكم من الشريعة! الله أكبر

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stupidpervo [2010-08-05 23:21:17 +0000 UTC]

is shariah what protected these women? [link]

i am also amazed at how willing so many Christians are to apologies for Islam, probably cause their scripture holds the same things [link]

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Demo-box [2010-07-29 01:34:03 +0000 UTC]

you very conveniently spiked over ancient Persian civilization
[link]
i think your stats on yankee rape are out of date or made up shit [link]

also ,dress cods do NOT prevent rape or any form of crime for that matter, only the persons respect the human rights of the people around him will determine weather or not he commits a crime, and if he doesn't respect the equality of the woman then the only thing that will protect her is a gun , NOT shariah
[link]

if i have daughters i know that shariah will NOT make them safer, honor killings much?
[link]

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Demo-box In reply to Demo-box [2010-07-29 01:35:58 +0000 UTC]

also this [link]

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draumstafur [2010-07-13 19:18:42 +0000 UTC]

Hello

I am Christian, and thank you for explaining the hijab to me. I never got why the women wore those, but now I see why, and respect that. You're great for doing that in such a way that didn't seem like you were talking down to the person reading it (I have tried to watch some videos on the matter a while ago, but the tone set by those talking just put me off).

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FoxyWoxyVixen16 [2010-06-14 12:40:22 +0000 UTC]

Get your facts str8... egypt was very good to women.

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shougar [2010-03-26 22:29:45 +0000 UTC]

I have a little question. I've read in another muslim deviation that women DO wear make-up. Why? If a women is wearing make-up and a hijab that doesn't cover the face, isn't she atracting the oppositive sex?

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LarissaFae In reply to shougar [2011-12-30 10:55:25 +0000 UTC]

Late reply is late.

Scholars differ in their opinions, but the basic idea is that you shouldn't be SEXUALLY appealing to the opposite gender. There's nothing wrong with looking nice, or made up. It's when it goes from looking aesthetically pleasing to sexually pleasing that the problem starts.

Some say that to avoid that, women shouldn't wear make-up at all, but it comes down to one's intentions and the culture one lives in.

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