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Published: 2017-11-09 12:36:07 +0000 UTC; Views: 1662; Favourites: 18; Downloads: 2
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Plants have feelingsFirst of all, if you're really serious about this and no amount of scientific evidence will sway you - then it purely comes down to numbers. If a blade of grass is of the same importance to you as a dog, then it makes no sense to feed up livestock on millions and millions of plants, and then kill the animal to eat. This would result in far more plant casualties, which you'd surely want to avoid as a dedicated plants-rights activist. Better to minimize those plant casualties by just feeding yourself on them, rather than feeding many times more to animals, right?
But let's be sensible - plants lack brains and lack anything else that neuroscientists know to cause sentience. Some studies show plants to have input/output reactions to certain stimulation, but no study suggests sentience or an ability to "feel emotions". You can plainly understand the difference between a blade of grass and a dog. Comparisons between the two are completely absurd.
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What about the Venus fly trap? (Although, I think it’s best not to eat that kind of plant)
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Trivia: "pupa" means "butt" in the Polish language.
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I know. Can't you see the butt on my logo?
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eh, I never seen a vegan complaining about that too.
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Animal agriculture is the leading cause of global deforestation and climate change. Ethical vegans are vegan because of that.
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but finally, I found one.
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I see thousands of people complain about that? That´s why Loggers and Polluters are the bad guys in almost every movie that even mentions the rainforest? I am one of the people who complain about it on every given opportunity; which is never; because we as a species almost universally agreed that it sucks? It just happens that the people whose livelihoods depend on it (or the ones who make a profit from it) sort of don´t like to hear us telling them that they are an evil leech that should be thrown into a fire?
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We, as a species, have agreed deforestation sucks... until we find out that the production of bacon, cheese and eggs is the leading cause of it. Then our moral framework does a massive backflip and suddenly makes it awesome.
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What is an animals use? These days they dont help farm so how are they useful for society?
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How does being useful to your goals determine one's moral value? Also, what is your use? Animal agriculture is the leading cause of climate chance and pollution, so how are you a useful creature if you participate in the leading cause of the planet's destruction?
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My use is the ability to have detailed conversations, such as this that animals are incapable of doing. Also sure I'm killing the planet, but manufacturing companies also are destroying the planet, and I see both of us using some form of 'planet destructors' as we are both using manufactured goods-meaning that using something that supports world destruction, your preaching on stopping it.
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How does speaking human language determine your moral value? Do babies and heavily mentally handicapped people have detailed conversations? No, but that doesn't make them of less moral value. And the same applies to animals. Humans are the most destructive lifeform on the planet. So please stop saying that you're the most useful for something irrelevant like speaking English. Speaking English does not make up for funding the leading cause of global deforestation, habitat destruction, ocean deadzones, greenhouse gas emmissions, species extinction etc. (which is animal agriculture) and with your abcense every other living thing would benefit. When it comes to who is the most useful (from a neutral perspective) humans would be the first ones to go. So instead you should be grateful to be alive and stop acting as if you['re some kind of god who has the right to enslave other earthlings.
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You're right. By his/her logic, before I was 5 or 6 (I'm Autistic, I wasn't able to speak until I was 5 or 6 years old. Now, I've made up for far more than the lost time. I'm a chatterbox, I love to talk.), it would have been fine to kill me. And you're right, humans WOULD be the first to go. I'm really thankful for God for not killing us, but we shouldn't kill other animals then.
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Intelligence doesn't decide, suffering does.
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Speaking doesn't determine moral value, it determines overall value. That and humanism- based off of the era the term is used, it means "doing what we like without fear that God will send us to purgatory". What i mean is that since humans find other humans interesting they'll try to raise babies and mentally handicapped people to be useful for society. For people who cannot contribute to society we remove them from the picture and don't consider them a part. Some people will always be detrimental to society, that is what assassination is for (if you have enough money you'd be amazed at the gruesome things humans would do for little). From what neutral perspective? Animals and plants have one central thought 'How do i keep living?' If we're talking about a creature so smart and so strong enough to wipe out all humans (based on this day and age and our militaristic advancements) than would that creature not try to exploit its privileges? It would kill us then fit our society to it, eventually becoming what we are. PS gods don't enslave earthlings humans do.
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Speaking doesn't determine moral value, it determines overall value.
No, it doesn't. All animals communicate, just in a different way. Just because they don't communicate in your language doesn't mean that their lives matter less. Language is completely irrelevant to the question wether or not it's morally justified to harm others.
What i mean is that since humans find other humans interesting they'll try to raise babies and mentally handicapped people to be useful for society.
A lot of heavily mentally handicapped people will never be able to contribute to society. By your logic, that makes them morally inferior and makes it fine to enslave and kill them. But I argue that your logic is absurd. If a rabbit determined morality the way you do, they could say that you are useless because you don't contribute to rabbit goals. It is a very arrogant way of thinking, I hope you realize. Like I said: with the abcense of destructive people like you, every other living thing would benefit. So again: stop pretending that you're so special to this planet. The world does not roam around you.
As for your last argument: this narrows down to "might makes right" and is not a moral justification to enslave and kill innocents.
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(Forgot to add) morals are crap, money overcomes it easily- so it doesn't matter what my meaningless ideals are.
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If you think that plants have feelings, yet you argue that some animals aren't sentient, you're a freaking idiot. My friend tries to argue that some animals are not sentient because they aren't dolphins. it was...tiring.
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