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Description This is (I hope - if I manage to go through with it!) supposed to be part of a series.
Every now and then, I'll stumble across some discussion concerning strong female characters and the lack thereof in Tolkien's works. Every time I'll shake my head and count on my fingers the occasional strong woman in the Lord of the Rings or The Silmarillion that I can think of off the top of my head, and although (unlike certain Tolkien characters) I have two hands, I'll find that my fingers don't suffice. Which, considering we're talking about a fairly conservative author from the early 20th century, isn't too bad; especially considering how few strong female characters you tend to find in the fantasy genre (even so-called "feminist fantasy") on the whole.
I usually don't take part in these discussions anymore because they frustrate me.

But every time that happens I promise myself to make a series of paintings depicting Tolkien's strong women.

Well, it seems I finally managed to make a start! (I actually ment to be all chronological and start with Nerdanel, but then all of a sudden I felt more like dealing with Lúthien first.)

Lúthien must be one of the most-depicted characters from the Silmarillion. In almost all of the pictures, you have this dainty, doe-eyed, mournful maiden.
Which is perfectly fine, of course. But I wanted something different.
Despite all that may be said against Lúthien as a character (self-insert, Mary Sue, over-hyped nurse etc; the only part I agree with is, obviously, the self-insert, which can't be denied), there's lots in her favour, too. From the beginning of the story, she seems to be predestined to be your usual damsel in distress - and refuses to comply with that expectation. She stands up to her dominant father, escapes from imprisonment several times over, saves her lover's life at various occasions rather than needing him to save her, manages to heal a werewolf bite, sings Morgoth and his entire court to sleep, is one of the rare Silm characters who don't want a Silmaril for its own sake, sacrifices her immortality and convinces the Lord of Death to return her lover to life, without any silly "don't look back" games. If Mandos had had any strategic brains, he'd have enlisted Lúthiens help for the War of Wrath at once. (Or the Fëanorians. If Celegorm and Curufin had recognised their chance at that point instead of antagonising her, they might have gained two out of three at least...) In short, Lúthien kicks ass. The Lay of Leithian's hero is not Beren, nor Finrod either.

Now probably this is just my usual slightly odd self, but I don't see dainty, doe-eyed, mournful Lúthien dressing up in the skin of a dead giant vampire bat. Or wrapping Morgoth's entire court around her dainty little finger.
So I tried to go for a somewhat more kick-ass, killer queen, "ready to rock" kind of look. This is the result.

With random art nouveau ornaments because I love art nouveau.
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Comments: 28

Eatyourself [2010-01-30 22:32:32 +0000 UTC]

Oh this is amazing! The doe-eyed maiden thing has annoyed me for a while now. While I love looking at dreamy pictures of dreamy looking and possibly doe-eyed elves, Luthien's so much more than that. And yet just about every picture I've seen of her so far pictures her dancing (which she did, of course, but it's hardly the core of the story), or crying ( which she also, did, but...) ...well, you know what I mean! So thanks. And I think your drawing is wonderful.

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Qitian In reply to Eatyourself [2010-02-02 22:29:18 +0000 UTC]

Thank you so much!

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MatejCadil [2009-12-31 16:00:34 +0000 UTC]

Praiseworthy deed!

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Qitian In reply to MatejCadil [2010-01-05 13:56:45 +0000 UTC]

Mine or hers?

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MatejCadil In reply to Qitian [2010-01-06 12:10:25 +0000 UTC]

Both of course but I meant yours.
I do also like strong female characters and it's good to show there are many of them in Tolkien's work.

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Qitian In reply to MatejCadil [2010-01-06 17:23:49 +0000 UTC]

Thank you very much!

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Theophilia [2008-09-26 21:41:52 +0000 UTC]

Luthien's probably just more fun to do than Nerdanel though.

I agree with you, I don't like it when people try and make Tolkien out to be some "woman-hater" or something else ridiculous like that. I don't even think I'd mind so much if he didn't have any strong female characters at ALL! But he does. Just because they don't act like men by fighting alongside them (and *cough* both Eowyn and probably Haleth did just that), assert their "rights" and act like traditional women from all the old classic tales doesn't mean that Tolkien didn't understand women. Actually, I think he understood feminity better than perhaps some do now. Women really shouldn't try and be like men (fictionally or factually), because they'll fail. Men are men and women are women, that's all there is to it. *end rant.

Hence why it's called "the Lay of Leithien"

Yeah I always thought that was an interesting part when they dressed by like a werewolf and a vampire. Pretty cool I though.

Very nice picture all in all. And like the Art Nouveau too!

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Qitian In reply to Theophilia [2008-09-27 18:59:39 +0000 UTC]

Men are men and women are women, that's all there is to it.

Actually I'd just say "People are people", and that's it. People are so different that it's hard to pinpoint just what is typical for either men or women (well, except for some basics!). For example, I am a woman who enjoys martial arts and archery and who can do a lot of work on our house that might traditionally be considered a man's work - but at the same time I really enjoy cooking and sewing, music and painting. Why should I ditch all that just in order to be more emancipated? (Actually the scene in the SEE of Two Towers, when Éowyn has cooked this awful soup, annoys me a lot - why on earth should she (the only surviving female member of her family!) be unable to cook just because she's interested in swordplay and heroism? Stupid cliché!). My almost-husband, on the other hand, is a man who enjoys baking and ballroom dancing - and at the same time he's an excellent craftsman, a martial artist too, and he likes to fiddle with his computer. So from my own life, I'd say it's nonsense to limit people to either "female" or "male" activities or talents. People can just as well do both - without bothering to care whether they look like a "typical" woman (like I do when I stand in the kitchen and cook a meal!) or a "typical" man (like Jörg does when he's sitting on the roof adjusting the satellite dish).
But of course that's exactly what's wrong with many feminists: They presume that there's a difference between men and women that absolutely HAS to be bridged - whether the individual people want to or not! Would I be happier if I no longer cooked or sewed and if Jörg no longer played with the computer? Definitely not!

Aw, actually I like Nerdanel. I did the lineart first, too - but then somehow Lúthien pushed herself to the foreground.

And thank you!

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Theophilia In reply to Qitian [2008-09-27 20:29:32 +0000 UTC]

Heheh, well of course that's very true. But I wasn't talking about activities. Sure there are things women generaly do, or men generally do, but I don't think there are any *set* rules.

I was talking about the diferent Natures of men and women. I think a lot of feminists try to erase that line. Which isn't possible. There are simply fundamental differences between men and women. For example, I heard this story a while ago (I don't know if it's true or not, but it'll illustrate my point) about a women sociologist or something who wanted to perform an experiment. She thought that the differenes between the sexes was mere social conditioning so after she gave birth to her daughter, she began testing out her thory. She treated her daughter how she would a son. She gave her boys toys and clothes, etc, etc. And thne one night as she was passing her daughter's room she peeked in and saw her daughter tucking herself in bed. The little girl hugged a toy truck beside her and said "Goodnight Mr. Truck!"

Oh I like her too (the only person strong enough to keep Feanor in line! At least for awhile) I just think that Luthien might be more fun to draw. But perhaps you think differently.

Yep, you're very welcome!

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Qitian In reply to Theophilia [2008-09-27 20:42:27 +0000 UTC]

*laughs*

That's somehow really adorable. The story, I mean. (Kind of like the Ancient Greek myth where Achilles' mother hides him in a women-only society and has him brought up as a girl because she was prophesied that he'd die in battle and she wanted to prevent him from becoming a warrior, eh? Then when people tried to find the boy among the girls, the children were given the choice of lots of toys - all of them girl's toys except for a wooden sword - and Achilles was the only one who chose the sword. On instinct, so to say. Or was it some other Greek hero? No matter.)
Yeah, social conditioning does play a part, but it isn't everything. *g*

They've both been a lot of fun, really (as was Aredhel, for whom I've also prepared the lineart already). Actually as long as I don't have to do any tricky background, any picture is fun.

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Theophilia In reply to Qitian [2008-09-27 20:47:27 +0000 UTC]

I had never heard that story before! Interesting.

So who do have lined up then? 'Cause there are a LOT of women in the Silmarillion. Any of the Valier or just elves and men? (well, women. ).

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Qitian In reply to Theophilia [2008-09-27 21:11:20 +0000 UTC]

"Only" Elves and mortal women and even a few hobbits. It's no effort for a Valie to be strong, so I'm afraid I'll leave them out.

So far the list has - beyond Nerdanel, Aredhel and Lúthien - Galadriel, Haleth, Morwen, Aerin, Erendis and Ancalime. And from the LotR Éowyn (of course!), possibly Ioreth (nor sure though), Rosie Cotton and Lobelia Sackville-Baggins (AND her umbrella!). And perhaps Dís, although she's a little obscure - but I want to add a dwarf woman to the mix!

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Theophilia In reply to Qitian [2008-09-27 23:38:55 +0000 UTC]

Dís is Thorin's sister? I think? I don't remember who she is really.

Sounds like you'll be very busy with all those pictures.

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Qitian In reply to Theophilia [2008-09-29 17:47:38 +0000 UTC]

Yep, that's her! Mother of Fíli and Kíli. There isn't all that much known about her, and frankly she doesn't seem to have gone through more than Idril (who is NOT on my list); but she's the only dwarf woman with any name at all, so I'm tempted to add her. The token dwarf woman, so to say

Ah, I'm always busy with pictures. This project is harmless compared to the insane Silmarillion project, or Fanart100.

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Theophilia In reply to Qitian [2008-09-29 20:08:19 +0000 UTC]



So why don't you want to do Idril?

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Qitian In reply to Theophilia [2008-09-29 20:38:46 +0000 UTC]

Because she's not all that exciting. I have so many elf-women with more interesting stories and more strength, why should I do relatively passive, boring Idril?

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Theophilia In reply to Qitian [2008-09-29 22:15:56 +0000 UTC]

Meh, I don't know, I just thought that out of the women you've chosen she at least has a story (Ioreth doesn't really, that In know of anyway. ) I was just wondering. From the previous message it didn't sound like you were much of a fan of hers, to say the least.

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Qitian In reply to Theophilia [2008-09-30 08:07:05 +0000 UTC]

Well, Ioreth may not have much of a story, but how many Gondorian women with names and characters of their own do we see at all in the LotR? At least we know that she's a country girl who's made her way to (and in) the big city, and while she's not the smartest, she's certainly memorable

Whereas the Silmarillion holds more than enough Elf princesses with "a story", and Galadriel and Aredhel, I think, represent the strong Finwean princess far better than Idril does. So she marries a mortal. Big deal. If she (like Lúthien) had to overcome a massive heap of opposition from her family in order to do that, I've completely forgotten it - but the way I remember it, Tuor was (thanks to his "messenger of Ulmo" status) eligible enough.

I'm not a fan, that's true - but not more. I don't hate her or anything. I just think that there are more interesting and more representative characters.

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Theophilia In reply to Qitian [2008-10-04 14:37:02 +0000 UTC]

Ah okay. Well I can't wait to see the rest of the series!

Oh, by the by, how do you italicize letters on here?

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Qitian In reply to Theophilia [2008-10-12 19:59:44 +0000 UTC]

Working on it!

You type < i> in front of and < /i> behind the part you wan italicised - only without the spaces between the bracket thing and the i.
Using b instead of i will give you bold, using u will give you underlined, using s will give you struck out.
(I hope this works - my html skills are shaky at best.)

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Theophilia In reply to Qitian [2008-10-13 00:09:05 +0000 UTC]

Okay thank you very much! I tried it out and they worked, so thank you!

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fegie [2008-08-20 05:20:32 +0000 UTC]

Brilliant. Lúthien does indeed kick ass. I've been wanting to draw something with her taking mastery of Sauron's tower; maybe now i definitely will...

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Qitian In reply to fegie [2008-08-24 18:52:28 +0000 UTC]

I hope you will; looking forward to it already!

Thank you!

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fegie In reply to Qitian [2008-08-25 04:35:27 +0000 UTC]

Aw, thanks. ^ ^;

You're welcome.

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Aranov [2008-08-18 23:37:37 +0000 UTC]

Epic win. Well said. Gorgeous piece [Art Nouveau for the win!] and this Luthien is definitely the strong heroine I loved from the story.

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Qitian In reply to Aranov [2008-08-24 18:52:06 +0000 UTC]

Thank you!

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razzigyrl [2008-08-18 23:27:50 +0000 UTC]

Adoration! I've been meaning to re-read Tolkein, and this gives me a good reason to. And I love the art-nouveau bits! I hope you continue this series, it's nifty.

!yoJ

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Qitian In reply to razzigyrl [2008-08-24 18:51:46 +0000 UTC]

Thank you so much!
Have fun on your re-read

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