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I don't know if any of you remember !Pumpkintroll , but they decided to deactivate a while back. Before they left, they gave me permission to reup their stamps. Stamps have their original titles.Related content
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Do you want to know why child pornography was made illegal? To stop child abuse. Now please tell me how a real child can be a abused from 2 cartoon characters having sex. These characters aren't real. Not even mentioning the fact that they don't even look like real people to begin with.Β
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Well fiction can affect reality.
If you think a child giving a blowjob or getting fucked by an older person/same-age child, do you think that's okay because it's only fictional????
You're basically saying you're condoning pedophilia, even if they're not real characters.
Give me ONE comic picture example where a shota/loli is NOT abused, raped, giving a blow/handjob, or having sex.
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Yeah, because a bunch of teenagers who support Shota and Loli are pedophiles.
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Pretty much, it's like saying that all Furries want to fuck real animals.
It's just a blanket statement.Β
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Hurst?
But yeah, that's true, the dark side of the furries.
Now I'm going to wait someone reply in two years.
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You know that it helps to keep pedos from molesting children, right? Like in Japan, it worked quite well, but you know your stuff 
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It doesn't, it really doesn't keep anyone from doing anything, it just stimulates the ideas and make them more likely to happen, i'm 100% sure of that. and it influences people [who originally weren't into it] to get into it - also know this for a fact.
Basicaly by drawing/supporting child pornography, in any media, you're encouraging true pedophiles and yelling to the worl that 'it's ok!" to have a fetish of fucking kids ):
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It also helps non-pedophile to accept pedophilia like they accept homosexuality (that is different)
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Yes but it's a lot diferent. Homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone in any way ever, but pedophilia does so I see no reason at all to compare both in any way.
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How does looking at drawings hurt anyone? Where's the evidence? And what does this have to do with fetishes? Pedophilia is all about the way the brain is wired. Just like homosexuality/heterosexuality. Of course it's okay to enjoy drawn animations of fictional kids being banged, the same way it's okay to enjoy killing people in GTA. It's okay to enjoy anything that doesn't harm anyone.
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Indeed. I said they're different.
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Not quite, lol, where the hell you get that from? XD You know I know a lot about this kind of issue, what you're saying goes against the very basics of human psychology.
"Stimulates the ideas and make them more likely to happen, i'm 100% sure of that. and it influences people [who originally weren't into it] to get into it"
Well, first, only those go to search for this who likes them (basically have those kind of ideas. Human sexuality, and relation to other sexualities/fetishes (if not altered, e.g. because of morals) is like if you are not attracted to it, you find it disgusting. It's not like food, or music, you eat/hear it a few times and start to think differently about it. Sexuality has very stable grounds (for a reason), and protects it's own and refuses others.
And second, imagine a pedophile (who already thinks about stuff with children), only have limited options to release the sexual tension, no lolicon/shotacon, but there are kids at the nearest playground. You can figure out the rest.
But in the other hand, if there is lolicon/shotacon, then as you might already know, masturbation depletes sexual desire (obviously -.-).
So, know for a fact? I highly doubt that ^^.
And "fucking kids" is not about fetish. It's about being immoral and selfish.
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no, when you're in a hentai website, you will be exposed to that no matter how hard you try. like i said [did i? lol] i know people who got into pedophilia hardcorely simply because a random hentai site showed them too much.Β
Pornography does not satisfy one's perversions, it does not, it feeds them, like alcohol feeds alcoholism, i can give you data if you want, why do people insist in this falacy 'i watch porn so i don't need sex' this is ridiculous. when porn decreases your sex drive, that's because you're so so accomodating with masturbating that you're lazy to have sex and deal with other people's needs too, yet you're addicted to porn, so it's nothing like it
dude, i'm telling you, my 'friends' don't enjoy normal sex anymore. when i spend whatever 30 minutes looking at gangbang hentai i get a ridiculous urge to get myself in a situation like that, really goddamn bad, i'm telling you, it only encourages people.
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"when you're in a hentai website, you will be exposed to that no matter how hard you try. like i said [did i? lol] i know people who got into pedophilia hardcorely simply because a random hentai site showed them too much."
I search for furry/anime porn a lot, and there wereΒ a lot ofΒ vore, so I see at least one every time I search for porn, yet still have never like it any little bit, even though I'm very flexible and acceptable person. Also, I can tell you, I got switched out from a certain type of porn because watching it too much. None that you listed ever happened to me.
As far as I know, normal people find pedophilia disgusting.
The most people I know watch mainstream lolicon. And here's the thing about it: it shows kids looking about 12-14, but fully developed features, which will ultimately be the factor for attraction, and not the supposed age of thatΒ drawing. Kids portrayed in lolicon, doesn't exist, for a lot of reasons. Same goes for shotacon, only the reasons are different.
"when i spend whatever 30 minutes looking at gangbang hentai i get a ridiculous urge to get myself in a situation like that" It does stimulate ideas and desires, fantasies, but don't confuse it with reality. It does really seem very similar, but it's actually the opposite. It's the same psychological thing as the 'high place phenomenon', when you randomly imagine yourself jumping off a cliff. I did felt an incredible urge to do a lot of super-hyper pervy slutty things when I watched porn, but when I got the chance (or even just realistically thought it through), I backed off, because of my morals.
Also, you seem to forget, that on the end of masturbation, the sexual mental images disappear, or even turn to disgusting, or make you feel guilty after watching it (experience). You're also forgetting, that we humans basically have very strong sexual desire, with or without porn. It's usually the sexual tension which causes one to look at porn, not vice versa (obviously).
Believe me, I don't know these stuff from second-hand, just I don't feel comfortable telling you why.
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1: not everybody is disgusted or chills out after fapping - the true pervs don't, i would know. and if one goes ahead and draw it then you're not disgusted or sick at all.
2: what i listed said may not apply to YOU, may not apply to may, but it doesn't make it any less true - it does apply to a lot of people and it is fuel to crimes.
3: it's just about how weak your morals are. one's might be weak enough to masturbate to it only, someone else's might be enough to act, simple as that. a really strong moral sense regarding child abuse would make you absolutely sick and sad to see child pornography of any kind, period.
if you find rape something monstrous you will not be able to have a boner for it, your morals will not allow. if you find the idea of an adult fucking a child monstrous you will not be able to masturbate to it, that is not saying if you do you approve of rape or are a child abuser or anything, absolutely not, but gives people plenty reason to watch it around you and to find it sick, and you can't say they're being unreasonable, logic says you're a lot more friendly to the idea even if you're not, goddammit, the CONCEPT TURNS YOU ON, that is a fucking lot! D:
and finally, 4: about how old they look in loli: you might be filtering your loli to see older-looking kids because from all my goddamn vast experience with researching it in many hentai websites for science, i have found about 80% = actually child-looking kids of 10 and less, including realistic artwork that are so so fucking creepy that look like they were drawn based on a real life scene.Β
plus statistics say that the more child pornography you're exposed to the more likely you are to act on it particularly when you're a tr00 pedo who lacks empathy [cos i think what stops pedos from being sex offenders may often be empathy rather than morals] [i'm not talking about YOU, nor saying that applies to everyone, not anything, just statistics]
i'm not talking about yourself so don't be so defensive please i'm trying to make some sense out of shit
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For statistics, do a research on Japan. But anyways, statistics are kinda shitty, it might be the reverse: those who are more likely to abuse children watch more child porn not vice versa. And I'm sure that real child molesters watch real porn, not loli/shota.
For empathy, yea, I think it's a better world for it. I think if someone has empathy, and not wants to harm children, will not do it, and if does not have empathy, will molest children, whether looking at lolikon or not.
"a really strong moral sense regarding child abuse would make you absolutely sick and sad to see child pornography of any kind, period." There comes the sense of reality vs. instincts. What makes someone sensible sad about that is the actual harm done to the child. If it's a drawing, then I think a sensible person should see that on a drawing this doesn't happen. About being turned, well, What I usually hear is that they enjoy lolicon, but they love children and don't want to see them being harmed. I can't really get more proof unless I'm not in the skin of various persons, none of us can, but I think it's about who is being a pervert basically, how much control or empathy they have in the first place, not what they watch.
Well, what suddenly came to mind is the psychological phenomenon called projection: we tend to reflect our emotions on external things (like sexual images); things don't have qualities themselves alone, they can only get as intense as it is in the person's head. And the other important thing is, yes, they can stimulate thoughts, but they exhaust them too, which is the key element.
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yes they are, japan is the fucking rape capital but rape rate as low because it doesn't get reported.
ye ye we know each case is a case, some people may feel exhausted, some people may never want to do it, some people may get more and more into it and get inspired, some people must start thinking it's perfectly fine - we know both happen, and to me, that's enough harm
you know, the only thing, what pisses me off and makes me absolutely against child pornography in any way is that i know it influences, i know it slowly makes it ok, i know it does, it's a basic social phenomena
there is a huge rape culture in japan simply because it's encouraged, it's in every porn website, everywhere, cases are laughed at, women are slutblamed, women aren't listened, everything tells them it's fine to rape so they do and it becomes a thing! you don't have to be born a psychopath [=lacking empathy] to become a monster, humans are prone to being disgusting and i think encouraging it in any way should be considered as wrong as it gets because it gets somewhere.
so the more ok we are any kind of child pornography, the more it's considered fine, the more ok it will be in people's perception. i have seen people argue that there's no harm to real children and years later argue that children are sexual too and that there's no problem in fucking them if they're willing [= if you convince him, because children are easily influenciable while adults are fucking manipulative and sick]
Everyone deserves a childhood.
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"i have seen people argue that there's no harm to real children" Those are the arguments of the real pedophiles, who are still in the state of delusion, not the ones who watch lolicon,Β don't confuse the two. These ideas are way before looking at any kind of child porn or loli/shota.
And I don't think real stuff will be considered fine, cuz the very first argument lolikons bring up is that no real children is being harmed, and that what makes it okay. You cannot use the same argument for real child porn. So whenever lolicon/shotacon's harmlessness is confirmed, it also confirms the harmfulness of real child porn. The more right lolicon gains, the more real child porn loses (not like if it had any right at all in the first place).
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what? that's what you're arguing, that lolicon is harmless cause no one real was involved.
but it's not an argument, it's an excuse. a very cheap one. 'my desire to fuck children is nothing like your desire to fuck children because i look at drawn children' do you think a large amount of people who say so aren't lying? real pedophiles and child abusers are fine with fapping to drawn children so what the difference is?
lolicon doesn't make any one any less interested in real child pornography, nor does it make it any weaker - it only makes make some curious to see the real deal.
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"real pedophiles and child abusers are fine with fapping to drawn children so what the difference is?" Real pedophiles and molesters look at real stuff not silly lolicon. Lolicon is for those who are not fine with real children being harmed. Does it make more sense that way?
"lolicon doesn't make any one any less interested in real child pornography, nor does it make it any weaker - it only makes make some curious to see the real deal." Β I think you don't know real pedophiles at all... Sorry if I sound rude, but I think you're just making up a hypothesis.
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they look at lolicon too. why do you think they don't? that's naive. you think in japan they could get around without looking? lol no
i'm not, i told you i know people who got into it from looking at lolicon and if you're sexually aroused by child pornography of any kind you are a pedophile [which has nothing to do with being a child abuser] so i know pedophiles, and i know lolicon can get people into the real deal. seriously, i mean no offence but it's very naive to think everyone who likes lolicon is automatically nice and pure and doesn't look at the real shit and doesn't do anything. most don't even mention liking lolicon so you know very little no matter how many lolicon friends you have o.o no fandom is made of only nice people, particularly those that require having a corrupted set of morals to be in. hell, even furries, about at least 13-17% are actually interested in zoophilia, you think loli fans couldn't possibly be? that's seriously naive o.o humans suck
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I see what you mean, but I think then the blame goes to the people, not to lolicon/shotacon. we're not able to see into their heads, maybe the opposite happened, they looked at it by looking at. The other possibility I think is that they had no oppression against it when not exposed, so when exposed, they could like it, otherwise would be ranting against it. But who doesn't have an oppression against it? Probably a pedo (it's kinda the same what you said).
But on the contrary to it, most lolicon sites don't allow realistic 3D stuff, cuz that is were they find it disgusting, disturbing (like real stuff), so I don't think there's no difference.
But even if what you said happened, the fact that there are people who get into it by looking, and there areΒ alsoΒ plenty who do not, implies that there is a conscious choice behind this.
For the ace of cards, I can tell you my story: I know it's differnt strokes for different folks, but I'll tell you at the end why I tell this. I'm not really comfortable with it, kind of a tough thing, but I need to tell it anyways. So form the from when I was 15, I experienced a pedophilic attraction. At the beginning, I was heavily deluded that it doesn't harm, I downloaded a lot of real stuff, and when I realized (got the info from someone who were abused), I deleted all my stuff in rage, but I knew that I need to find a substitute or my urges will just increase, so I switched to non-3d, non-realistic drawn stuff, And the result were as planned, I watched a lot of them, and my interest in children lowered close to zero, and afterwards in lolicon/shotacon too. I spent a half year without loli or shota, and at the and of the half year, my disturbing thoughts started to rise again. Then again a dozen of lolicon/shotacon, and now almost a month without it, and I have absolutely no interest in children. In the past I had two opportunities to get off with a little boy (the same kid, the son of my mother's friend). They left me alone with him for more than an hour, and I did not do anything with him, cuz I was afraid that I will hurt him. I know it maybe just me, and I don't see how it is for others;
So here's the important part: if lolicon and shotacon (shotacon in this example) really makes people more likely to act, then considering the amount I watched, I would have been no exception. And I don't even have strong will, I always struggle with obligations. But I was "exception", so I think it's not lolicon/shotacon is what encourages people, it is themselves, their choice.
Really, if you think it, alone, they are just scribbles on a paper; the penis/penetration can even be made with two strokes placed on the correct position. I think it's only humans who give the actual meaning to it (again, projection). So again, in overall, I don't think lolicon/shotacon is to blame, only the people themselves.
For furries, they have human body shape, only the non-sexual parts are animalistic (head, tail, skin, etc.). They can be zoophiles too, but the two are unconnected.
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i never said 3d. peeeeeeeeeeeeeople maaaake lolicooooooooon duuuuuuuuuude when the number one furry artist is a convicted rapist and pedophile [FOR EXEMPLE] thinking loli fans couldn't possibly be anything less than so nice is still naive as all hell [and i know what furry is i never said anything to define them wrongly i was just giving an exemple]
now, you think the fact that YOU never did anything is enough an evidence to speak for the whole loli-watching pedophiles?
you are wrong.
and i give up.
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"now, you think the fact that YOU never did anything is enough an evidence to speak for the whole loli-watching pedophiles?
you are wrong." Lol, no, I meant I think it's a matter of choice.
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Loli/Shota are in no way supporting actual child abuse, because they are drawings. Most lolishotas don't even like children. You simply know nothing about our culture, yet you bluntly claim to be the all-knowing god.
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I agree with you on this stamp. Both forms are totally... eeeghhh... cringe-worthy. Am I right?
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DUh, so much hate. The main thing is, child molestation was made illegal, cuz it causes physical and psychological damage to the children. Shotaco and lolicon was not, because that don't happen if someone start to draw on a paper.
Also, shotacon and lolicon is used in japan to supress child molestation crimes, with a great success. So hating on these two won't help any.
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Shotacon and Lolicon is a Japanese term for child poronogaphy.
Shotacon is hentai porn of young boys usually twelve years of age and under. It's also quite similiar to yaoi, except the children are much younger.
Lolicon is hentai porn of all underage children. The best example is the anime called "Boku No Pico". Do not watch the anime because it is messed up!!
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o_o Boku No Pico was loli? I thought it was shota.
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Whoops, I meant shotacon. It was one of the first shotcaon anime ever!
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Oh xD
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Oh okay thanks. It's very bizarre how things like that develop.
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Here's another stamp idea "Like Shotocon and lotiacon then you're on a list"
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There's a reason why I never got into Lolicon and the like....... and that reason was called "common sense".
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Aw man, Pumpkintroll's gone? Damn shame; he made some fine stamps. Poor chap pulled out in the line of lulzy duty.
Anyway, I love how worked up people get over the loli/shota thing on the Internet. You say "don't jerk off to kids" and the apologists start going off about "but the cultural sensitivity, and the issues, and the differences, and the blah blah blah..." There's a serious difference between drawing a cute picture of a girl/boy and drawing something sexual into the contents. Some of that stuff is really, really sick.
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Totally. I'm seriously starting to get sick of this "everything's acceptable!" bullshit that seems to be pervading our culture today. Ok free love and all that shit, but now pedophilia and bestiality? WTF world
And trufax, what you said about pumkintroll. They deactivated a month or so ago, but I don't think they really give any reason why. I was really sad to see them go because their stamps were pure awesome. But at least their memory can live on
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