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Description This is a map of Earth that I made based on George Orwell’s popular novel 1984. There are 4 colors on the map each representing who controls which territory. If it is to small you may want to increase the zoom of the page a little bit.

Blue represents Oceania, which follows a philosophy called Ingsoc in Newspeak or English Socialism in Oldspeak (Standard English). The novel states that Oceania is comprised of the Americas, the Atlantic Islands including the British Isles (Which is called Airstrip 1 by the Party), Australia, and the southern portion of Africa. By the end of the novel it is mentioned that Oceania has conquered both India and the whole of Africa, it is unknown whether this conquest is definitive or temporary. Its population is made up of the ruling political body known as the Party, which is divided between the Inner Party as the High class, the Outer Party as the Middle class; and the Proletarians (Proles) who make up the Lower class. Party members are selected by the potential each individual has, if one does not display sufficient talent then they become Proles. Members of the Inner Party are the ones who have the power and live in luxury compared to their fellow Party members. The Outer Party members have jobs that Proles could not do, such as working in an office at one of Oceania’s Ministries; they live in old decaying buildings and eat food that do not contain real food ingredients such as sugar and butter. The Proles are the workers of Oceania and comprise 85% of its population, they work in factories and other low caliber jobs; they live in absolute poverty compared to Party Members and are not even considered human.

Red represents Eurasia which has a philosophy called Neo-Bolshevism. It is comprised of the whole of the northern part of the European and Asiatic land-mass from Portugal to the Bering Strait. Not much is known about its citizens.

Yellow represents Eastasia which follows a philosophy when translated from Chinese to English is known as Death-worship or Obliteration of the Self. It comprises of China and the nations south of it, the Japanese islands, and a large but fluctuating portion of Manchuria, Mongolia, and Tibet. Unlike the other two countries which already existed in concept during the 40’s-50’s, it was only formed after a decade of confused fighting. Not much is known about its citizens.

Here is a shortened and edited excerpt from the novel, Section Two Chapter 9, Winston the main character is reading the book given to him from O’Brien. The books chapter is three and is called WAR IS PEACE.

The three super states are permanently at war with each other, and have been so during the twenty-five years leading up to the events in the novel. War however is no longer the desperate, annihilating struggle that it was in the early decades of the twentieth century. It is a warfare of limited aims between combatants who are unable to destroy one another, have no material cause for fighting, and are not divided by any genuine ideological difference. In a physical sense war involves very small numbers of people, mostly highly trained specialists, and causes comparatively few casualties. The fighting, when there is any, takes place on the vague frontiers whose whereabouts the average man can only guess at, or round the Floating Fortresses which guard strategic spots on the sea lanes. In the centers of civilization war means no more than a continuous shortage of consumption goods, and the occasional crash of a rocket bomb which may cause a few scores of deaths.

To understand the nature of the present war-for in spite of the regrouping which occurs every few years, it is always the same war-one must realize in the first place that it is impossible for it to be decisive. None of the three super states could be definitely conquered even by the other two in combination. They are too evenly matched, and their natural defenses are too formidable. Eurasia is protected by its vast land spaces, Oceania by the width of the Atlantic and Pacific, and Eastasia by the fecundity and industriousness of its inhabitants. Secondly, there is no longer, in a material sense, anything to fight about. With the establishment of self-contained economies, in which production and consumption are geared to another, the scramble for markets which was a main cause of previous wars has come to an end, while the competition for raw materials is no longer a matter of life and death. In any case, each of the three super states is so vast that it can obtain almost all of the materials that it needs within its own boundaries. In so far as the war has a direct economic purpose, it is a war for labor power. Between the frontiers of the super states, and not permanently in the possession of any of them, there lies a rough quadrilateral with its corners at Tangier, Brazzaville, Darwin, and Hong Kong, containing within it about a fifth of the population of the earth. It is for the possession of these thickly populated regions, and of the northern ice cap, that the three powers are constantly struggling. In practice no one power ever controls the whole of the disputed area. Portions of it are constantly changing hands, and it is the chance of seizing this or that fragment by a sudden stroke of treachery that dictates the endless changes of alignment.

All of the disputed territories (colored in tan), contain valuable minerals, and some of them yield important vegetable products such as rubber which in colder climates it is necessary to synthesize by comparatively expensive methods. But above all they contain a bottomless reserve of cheap labor. Whichever power controls equatorial Africa, or the countries of the Middle East, or Southern India, or the Indonesian Archipelago, disposes also of the bodies of scores of hundreds of millions of ill-paid and hard working coolies. The inhabitants of these areas, reduced more or less openly to the status of slaves, pass continually from conqueror to conqueror, and are expended like so much coal or oil in the race to turn out more armaments, to capture more territory, to control more labor power, to turn out more armaments, to capture more territory, and so on indefinitely. It should be noted that the fighting never really moves beyond the edges of the disputed areas. The frontiers of Eurasia flow back and forth between the basin of the Congo and the northern shore of the Mediterranean; the islands of the Indian Ocean and the Pacific are constantly being captured and recaptured by Oceania and or by Eastasia; in Mongolia the dividing line between Eurasia and Eastasia is never stable; round the Pole all three powers lay claim to enormous territories which in fact are largely uninhabited and unexplored; but the balance of power always remains roughly even, and the territory which forms the heartland of each super state always remains inviolate. Moreover, the labor of the exploited peoples round the Equator is not really necessary to the world’s economy. They add nothing to the wealth of the world, since whatever they produce is used for the purposes of war, and the object of waging a war is always to be in a better position in which to wage another war. By their labor the slave populations allow the tempo of continuous warfare to be speeded up. But if they did not exist, the structure of world society, and the process by which it maintains itself, would not be essentially different.

The primary aim of modern warfare is to use up the products of the machine without raising the general standard of living. The problem was how to keep the wheels of industry turning without raising the real wealth of the world. Goods must be produced, but they need not be distributed. And in practice the only way of achieving this was by continuous warfare. The essential act of warfare is destruction, not necessarily of human lives, but of the products of human labor. War is a way of shattering to pieces, or pouring into the stratosphere, or sinking in the depths of the sea, materials which might otherwise be used to make the masses too comfortable, and hence, in the long road, too intelligent. Even when weapons of war are not actually destroyed, their manufacture is still a convenient way of expending the labor power without producing anything that can be consumed. A Floating Fortress, for example, has locked up in it the labor that would build several hundred cargo ships. Ultimately it is scrapped as obsolete, never having brought any material benefit to anybody, and with further enormous labors another Floating Fortress is built. In principle the war effort is always so planned to eat up any surplus that might exist after meeting the bare needs of the population. In practice the needs of the population are always underestimated, with the result that there is a chronic shortage of half the necessities of life; but this is looked on as an advantage. It is deliberate policy to keep even the favored groups somewhere near the brink of hardship, because a general state of scarcity increases the importance of small privileges and thus magnifies the distinction between one group and another.

By the standards of the early twentieth century, even a member of the Inner Party lives an austere, laborious kind of life. Nevertheless, the few luxuries that he does enjoy-his large well appointed flat, the better texture of his clothes, the better quality of his food and drink and tobacco, his two or three servants, his private motorcar or helicopter-set him in a different world from a member of the Outer Party, and the members of the Outer Party have a similar advantage in comparison with the submerged masses whom are called “the proles.” The social atmosphere is that of a besieged city, where the possession of a lump of horse flesh makes the difference between wealth and poverty. And at the same time the consciousness of being at war, and therefore in danger, makes the handing-over of all power to a small caste seem natural, unavoidable condition of survival.

War, it will be seen, not only accomplishes the necessary destruction, but accomplishes it in a psychological acceptable way. In principle it would be quite simple to waste the surplus labor of the world by building temples and pyramids, by digging holes and filling them up again, or even by producing vast quantities of goods and then setting fire to them. But this would provide only the economic and not the emotional basis for a hierarchical society. What is concerned here is not the morale of the masses, whose attitude is unimportant so long as they are kept steadily at work, but the morale of the Party itself. Even the humblest Party member is expected to be competent, industrious, and even intelligent within narrow limits, but it is also necessary that he should be a credulous and ignorant fanatic whose prevailing moods are fear, hatred, adulation, and orgiastic triumph. In other words it is necessary that he should have the mentality appropriate to a state of war. It does not matter whether the war is actually happening, and, since no decisive victory is possible, it does not matter whether the war is going well or badly. All that is needed is that a state of war should exist. Meanwhile no Inner Party member wavers for an instant in his mythical belief that the war is real, and that it is bound to end victoriously, with Oceania the undisputed master of the entire world.

All members of the Inner Party believe in this coming conquest as an article of faith. It is to be achieved by gradually acquiring more and more territory and so building up an overwhelming preponderance of power, or by the discovery of some new and unanswerable weapon. The search for new weapons continues unceasingly, and is one of the very few remaining activities in which the inventive or speculative type of mind can find any outlet. In Oceania at the present day, Science, in the old sense, has almost ceased to exist. In Newspeak there is no word for “Science.” The empirical method of thought, on which all the scientific achievements of the past were founded, it is opposed to the most fundamental principles of Ingsoc. And even technological progress only happens when its products can in some way be used for the diminution of human liberty. In all the useful arts the world is either standing still or going backwards. The fields are cultivated with horse plows while books are written by machinery. But in matters of vital importance-meaning, in effect, war and police espionage-the empirical approach is still encouraged, or at least tolerated. The two aims of the Party are to conquer the whole surface of the earth and to extinguish once and for all the possibility of independent thought. There are therefore two great problems which the Party is concerned to solve. One is how to discover, against his will, what another human being is thinking, and the other is how to kill several hundred million people in a few seconds without giving warning beforehand. In so far as scientific research still continues, this is its subject matter. The scientist of today is either a mixture of psychologist and inquisitor, studying with extraordinary minuteness the meaning of facial expressions, gestures, and tones of voice, and testing the truth producing effects of drugs, shock therapy, hypnosis, and physical torture; or he is a chemist, physicist, or biologist concerned only with such branches of his special subject as are relevant to the taking of life. In the vast laboratories of the Ministry of Peace, and in the experimental stations hidden in the Brazilian forests, or in the Australian desert, or on the lost islands of the Antarctic, the teams of experts are indefatigably at work. Some are concerned simply with planning the logistics of future wars; others device larger and larger rocket bombs, more and more powerful explosives, and more and more impenetrable armor plating; others search for new and deadlier gases, or for soluble poisons capable of being produced in such quantities as to destroy the vegetation of whole continents, or for breeds of disease germs immunized against all possible antibodies; others strive to produce a vehicle that shall bore its way under the soil like a submarine under the water, or an airplane as independent of its base as a sailing ship; others explore even remoter possibilities such as focusing the sun’s rays through lenses suspended thousands of kilometers away in space, or producing artificial earthquakes and tidal waves by tapping the heat at the earth’s center.

But none of these projects ever comes anywhere near realization, and none the three super states ever gains a significant lead on the others. What is more remarkable is that all three powers already possess, in the atomic bomb, a weapon far more powerful than any that their present researchers are likely to discover. Although the Party, according to its habit, claims the invention for itself, atomic bombs first appeared as early as the Nineteen-forties, and were first used on a large scale about ten years later. At that time some hundreds of bombs were dropped on industrial centers, chiefly in European Russia, Western Europe, and North America. The effect was to convince the ruling groups of all countries that a few more atomic bombs would mean the end of organized society, and hence of their own power. Thereafter, although no formal agreement was ever made or hinted at, no more bombs were dropped. All three powers merely continue to produce atomic bombs and store them up against the decisive opportunity which all believe will come sooner or later. And meanwhile the art of war has remained almost stationary for thirty or forty years. Helicopters are more used than they were formerly, bombing planes have been largely superseded by self-propelled projectiles, and the fragile movable battleship has given way to the almost unsinkable Floating Fortress; but otherwise there has been little development. The tank, the submarine, the torpedo, the machine gun, even the rifle and the hand grenade are still in use. And in spite of the endless slaughters reported in the press and on the telescreens, the desperate battles of earlier wars, in which thousands or even millions of men were often killed in a few weeks, have never been repeated.

None of the three super states ever attempts any maneuver which involves the risk of serious defeat. When any large operation is undertaken, it is usually a surprise attack against an ally. The strategy that all three powers are following, or pretend to themselves that they are following, is the same. The plan is, by a combination of fighting, bargaining, well-timed strokes of treachery, to acquire a ring of bases completely encircling one or the other of the rival states, and then to sign a pact of friendship with that rival and remain on peaceful terms for so many years as to lull suspicion to sleep. During this time rockets loaded with atomic bombs can be assembled at all the strategic spots; finally they will all be fired simultaneously, with effects so devastating as to make retaliation impossible. It will then be time to sign a pact of friendship with the remaining world power, in preparation for another attack. This scheme, it is hardly necessary to say, is a mere daydream, impossible of realization. Moreover, no fighting ever occurs except in the disputed areas round the Equator and the Pole; no invasion of enemy territory is ever undertaken. This explains the fact that in some places the frontiers between the super states are arbitrary. Eurasia, for example, could easily conquer the British Isles, which are geographically part of Europe, or on the other hand it would be possible for Oceania to push its frontiers to the Rhine or even to the Vistula. But this would violate the principle, followed on all sides though never formulated, of cultural integrity. If Oceania were to conquer the areas that used once to be known as France and Germany, it would be necessary either to exterminate the inhabitants, a task of great physical difficulty, or to assimilate a population of about a hundred million people, who, so far as technical development goes, are roughly on the Oceanic level. The problem is the same for all three super states. It is absolutely necessary to their structure that there should be no contact with foreigners except, to a limited extent, with war prisoners and colored slaves. Even the official ally of the moment is always regarded with the darkest suspicion. War prisoners apart, the average citizen of Oceania never sets eyes on a citizen of either Eurasia or Eastasia, and he is forbidden the knowledge of foreign languages. If he were allowed contact with foreigners he would discover that they are creatures similar to himself and that most of what he has been told about them is lies. The sealed world in which he lives would be broken, and the fear, hatred, and self-righteousness on which his morale depends might evaporate. It is therefore realized on all sides that however often Persia, or Egypt, or Java, or Ceylon may change hands, the main frontiers must never be crossed by anything except bombs.

Under this lies a fact never mentioned aloud, but tacitly understood and acted upon: namely, that the conditions of life and philosophy in all three super states are very much the same. The citizen of Oceania is not allowed to know anything of the tenets of the other two philosophies, but he is taught to execrate them as barbarous outrages upon morality and common sense. Actually the three philosophies are barely distinguishable, and the social systems which they support are not distinguishable at all. Everywhere there is the same pyramidal structure, the same worship of a semi-divine leader, the same economy existing by and for continuous warfare. It follows that the that the three super states not only cannot conquer one another, but would gain no advantage by doing so. On the contrary, so long as they remain in conflict they prop one another up, like three sheaves of corn. And, as usual, the ruling groups of all three powers are simultaneously aware and unaware of what they are doing. Their lives are dedicated to world conquest, but they also know that it is necessary that the war should continue everlastingly and without victory. Meanwhile the fact that there is no danger of conquest makes possible the denial of reality which is the special feature of Ingsoc and its rival systems of thought. Here it is necessary to repeat what has been said earlier, that by becoming continuous war has fundamentally changed its character.

In past ages, a war, almost by definition, was something that sooner or later came to an end, usually in unmistakable victory or defeat. In the past, also, war was one of the main instruments by which human societies were kept in touch with physical reality. All rulers of all ages have tried to impose a false view of the world upon their followers, but they could not afford to encourage any illusion that tended to impair military efficiency. So long as defeat meant the loss of independence, or some other result generally held to be undesirable, the precautions against defeat had to be serious. Physical facts could not be ignored. In philosophy, or religion, or ethics, or politics, two and two might make five, but when one was designing a gun or an airplane they had to make four. Inefficient nations were always conquered sooner or later, and the struggle for efficiency was inimical to illusions. Moreover, to be efficient it was necessary to be able to learn from the past, which meant having a fairly accurate idea of what happened in the past. Newspapers and history books were, of course, always colored and biased, but falsification of the kind that is practiced today would have been impossible. War was a sure safeguard of sanity, and so far as the ruling classes were concerned it was probably the most important of all safeguards. While wars could be won or lost, no ruling class could be completely irresponsible.

But when war becomes literally continuous, it also ceases to be dangerous. When war is continuous there is no such thing as military necessity. Technical progress can cease and the most palpable facts can be denied or disregarded. As we have seen, researches that could be called scientific are still carried out for the purposes of war, but they are essentially a kind of daydreaming, and their failure to show results is not important. Efficiency, even military efficiency, is no longer needed. Nothing is efficient in Oceania except the Thought Police. Since each of the three super states is unconquerable, each is in effect a separate universe within which almost any perversion of thought can be safely practiced. Reality only exerts its pressure through the needs of everyday life-the need to eat and drink, to get shelter and clothing, to avoid swallowing poison or stepping out of top-story windows, and the like. Between life and death, and between physical pleasure and physical pain, there is still a distinction, but that is all. Cut off from contact with the outer world, and with the past, the citizen of Oceania is like a man in interstellar space, who has no way of knowing which direction is up and which is down. The rulers of such a state are absolute, as the Pharaohs or the Caesars could not be. They are obliged to prevent their followers from starving to death in numbers large enough to be inconvenient, and they are obliged to remain at the same low level of military technique as their rivals; but once that minimum is achieved, they can twist reality into whatever shape they choose.

The war, therefore, if we judge it by the standards of previous wars, is merely an imposture. It is like the battles between certain ruminant animals whose horns are set at such an angle that they are incapable of hurting one another. But though it is unreal it is not meaningless. It eats up the surplus of consumable goods, and it helps to preserve the special mental atmosphere that a hierarchical society needs. War, it will be seen, is now a purely internal affair. In the past, the ruling groups of all countries, although they might recognize their common interest and therefore limit the destructiveness of war, did fight against one another, and the victor always plundered the vanquished. In our own day they are not fighting against one another at all. The war is waged by each ruling group against its own subjects, and the object of the war is not to make or prevent conquests of territory, but to keep the structure of society intact. The very word “war”, therefore, has become misleading. It would probably be accurate to say that by becoming continuous, war has ceased to exist. The peculiar pressure that it exerted on human beings between the Neolithic Age and the early twentieth century has disappeared and has been replaced by something quite different. The effect would be much the same if the three super states, instead of fighting one another, should agree to live in perpetual peace, each inviolate within its own boundaries. For in that case each would still be a self-contained universe, freed forever from the sobering influence of external danger. A peace that was truly permanent would be the same as a permanent war. This-although the vast majority of Party members understand it only in a shallower sense-is the inner meaning of the Party slogan: WAR IS PEACE.

For those who bothered to read the whole thing thank for your time. I apologize that I could not shorten it any further; there was too much good stuff here. I hope you have learned something from this and are able to see examples of this in our own culture.

1984 was written by George Orwell in 1949, his last novel before he died in 1950, and is the copyright of Sonia Brownell Orwell.
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Comments: 40

Wisky-08 [2017-11-09 00:09:37 +0000 UTC]

Nice

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BaneEden [2013-12-14 22:48:27 +0000 UTC]

There's so much in 1984 that it really takes awhile for my mind to fully understand. I had to re-read the book about three times now, since I either lost track or I completely misunderstood the whole novel. I have an extreme love for 1984, it's very haunting in its own way.

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HyperSonicXdA [2013-08-23 23:05:19 +0000 UTC]

You know, this kind of world wouldn't have been very far off. If Japan hadn't attacked Pearl Harbor this might very well be how the world would look now.


For Eurasia, it's clear how that came to be. In the book it says mainland Europe was conquered by Russia. There's no doubt that that could've happened. After, the Russian army had completely devastated the Wehrmacht in the battle of Kursk, so without a D-day landing, who's to say Stalin would've stopped at Berlin and not moved on to France? No doubt he could. 


As for Oceania, well, the US had pretty much become the lifeline of the UK by the end of 1940 (lend-lease and stuff like that). Absorption into the US would be a simple next step. After all, that would excuse Britain from having to pay for those supplies. Latin America is a bit harder, but conquest or annexation would speed things up a little. 


And then there's Eastasia. Slight deviation from the book here, since in the book China is the central power, whereas if we follow WWII logic Japan would be the dominant force. Now, thanks to the US the British could supply troops to Burma and retaliate from India, but without it, the UK would be helpless in defending its overseas colonies. This would allow Japan to take some control of the contested area, until the US could seize it back later.


The establishment of a communist dictatorship is easy to explain in Eurasia and Eastasia (China and Japan both had an absolutist tendency), but in Oceania a second October revolution would be needed for such a government to take hold. Nonetheless, that would be possible.


In brief, America joining the war really did prevent a disaster. In other words, we owe Japan the world as we know it today. 

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theragonlord-d [2012-09-10 04:41:06 +0000 UTC]

If I were thrown into that world, I try to raise an army in the contested areas. I have read the book. first task build WMDs and blow them up in high atmostsphere over the major cities in the 1984 book prior to an attack. it will cause an EMP which equals mass chaos because big brother can't calm the people.

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WingedReaver In reply to theragonlord-d [2013-04-18 13:29:37 +0000 UTC]

The contested territories aren't left alone by the three superpowers. They are contested, as in, constantly fought over. Some day your army would blunder in on the clashes, and probably be annihilated.

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theragonlord-d In reply to WingedReaver [2013-04-19 20:00:30 +0000 UTC]

That's why first you go all assassin's creed and slowly influence and find those who want change. you rot it from the inside, plant seeds of doubt. In the book it seem like the war was really a thursday war: a simulate war. that really they just trade rebels to claim they are winning

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Jason-Jamey In reply to theragonlord-d [2013-02-10 15:00:30 +0000 UTC]

Read about a ton of it myself. But I know that even THIS isn't 100% safe.

To start with, you'd have the natural disasters and other risks outside the planet to worry about.

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Jason-Jamey [2011-09-30 03:46:14 +0000 UTC]

Wonder how things would change if all of a sudden, Gordon Freeman entered the war.

He was able to tackle a situation like this with little or help before.

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Qaaf [2010-12-24 17:51:18 +0000 UTC]

Long description is long

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Fan-tastic [2010-07-30 02:28:15 +0000 UTC]

I could just have read it wrong, but it looks to me like Eurasia controls more territory than it should, namely in North Africa as well as the swath through Pahkistan and India. It would probably occupy these areas very frequently, but I don't see any evidence they were part of the homeland.

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SingingShooter [2010-03-12 22:35:36 +0000 UTC]

thank you a lot for making this, I am currently reading 1984 and all the different names and their locations were confusing me until now

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Richard-Onasi In reply to SingingShooter [2010-03-15 05:05:08 +0000 UTC]

Your welcome.

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rubixspoly [2009-12-26 03:46:20 +0000 UTC]

what is litterally the most unexplored country the world like what are the most unexplored countries

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ShadowSora94 In reply to rubixspoly [2010-03-11 03:14:57 +0000 UTC]

All the countries have been explored and stuff. 1984 takes place in a totaltarinistic Post-WWII world. But as a result of the war between Oceania, Eastasia, and Eurasia, many other countries have completly collapsed.

Either that, or the Party (the single-party of Oceania) just doesn't bother to talk about them.

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GeneralHelghast [2009-12-01 03:42:31 +0000 UTC]

Well, if the nation is called Oceania, then the capital has to be somewhere in Australia or New Zealand. Possibly Big Brother was Australian.

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GeneralHelghast [2009-11-12 03:17:30 +0000 UTC]

and if u mean oceania, you mean by australia becoming its own empire, colonizing britain for abusing australia and conquering south africa and America for ignoring it.

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ShadowSora94 In reply to GeneralHelghast [2010-03-11 01:54:39 +0000 UTC]

Well, I don't think it began there.

The book stated that Oceania began as a result as a mergence of America and the British Empire, not as a revolution in Australia. Why it's exactly named Oceania when Australia and New Zealand aren't even significent at all to the story is unknown- it's implied it's mostly named Oceania because of the oceans surrounding it's lands, serving as it's natural defense.

Oceania doesn't have a single capital.

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GeneralHelghast In reply to ShadowSora94 [2010-03-11 02:14:24 +0000 UTC]

lol. OCEANIA is in the Pacific, stupid. That means that I was right. But USA can't consume the British because they're a democratic-republic. Britain, however, is a monarchy, so britain had to consume USA.It fits more better than USA consuming Britain because as a democracy, USA isn't allowed to declare wars. Since you are pro-socialist, I suggest you keep your ideals to yourself because its socialism that is a command economy, but is not like communism.

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ShadowSora94 In reply to GeneralHelghast [2010-03-11 03:16:00 +0000 UTC]

NOW do you understand what i'm trying to say?

(forgot to include this in last reply)

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GeneralHelghast In reply to ShadowSora94 [2010-03-11 03:18:23 +0000 UTC]

yes

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ShadowSora94 In reply to GeneralHelghast [2010-03-11 03:19:28 +0000 UTC]

Ok, happy to see what got that cleared up.

I can't say I don't see what you're saying though, some things you say do make sense. However, it's just not what Orwell had in mind.

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ShadowSora94 In reply to GeneralHelghast [2010-03-11 03:13:04 +0000 UTC]

*sigh*

1.) I am perfectly aware of the geographical location of Oceania. Orwell just chose that name while writing 1984.

2.) The whole point of the story is to show the horrors of totaltarianism- to make a better point, rather then creating a new and imaginary world, he created a horrifying post-WWII world. And in it, he made it so America consumed the British Empire and the rest of the Americas.

3.) I'm aware of my country's government.

4.) I'm not pro-socialist, but I acknowledge that democratic socialisms can exist.

5.) I think it's safe to say that Orwell made America the bad guy for this reason- to show that even the people/countries with the best of reputations for what it stands for, can fall victim to greed and power. In this story, America fell victim and decided to consume everything around it for more power. Even the constitutional monarchy that was once a world power could survive the power of the most powerful country in all the world. Don't like it? Go ask Orwell about that when you die.

6.) Why are you attacking me on all of this? I'm just trying to tell you about the novel, which you are confused on in some areas, which is clearly evident.

7.) One last time- while it would seem Britan is a better fit for becoming a supernation in such a story, it didn't. In fact, Oceania renamed Britan "Airstrip One", and it is refered to as such in the story. If Britan was in charge of everything, do you think they would have allowed themselves to just be renamed "Airstrip One" out of all things? No, Britan had no control in the whole matter. That's just how things were in the novel, ok? I didn't write it, i'm just trying to tell you about how it works.

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Legionare117 In reply to ShadowSora94 [2010-11-12 05:10:27 +0000 UTC]

I applaud you're dipolomatic solution.

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ShadowSora94 In reply to Legionare117 [2010-11-12 12:57:13 +0000 UTC]

People acting this stupid when I'm just trying to point out something about a novel before I was even born then talking about it like I had written it just peeves me off- just wanted to make sure I got the message across for good.

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E-FAUN [2009-08-24 20:40:26 +0000 UTC]

brilliant. Just like the novel

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DrunkardHu [2009-07-13 07:56:08 +0000 UTC]

I am really happy to meet other Orwell fans out there. George Orwell is indeed a prophet for the novel Animal Farm. Commies acted completely accorded to this novel nearly word by word.

I'll finish reading this when I done reading 1984 in order not to spoil it. Right now I am half way through it. At the point that Winston and Julia had their affair for a while. But nevertheless I really like this map you did.

A friend of mine (the same friend who got me into reading 1984) even mentioned the possiblity Orwell may unintentionally showed the Commies how to control the people. Whether Orwell foretold the Commie atrocities or the Commies read his book and did everything accordingly, George Orwell is the prophet of our time for sure.

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Richard-Onasi In reply to DrunkardHu [2009-07-17 02:40:40 +0000 UTC]

Thanks, he is one of my favoruite authors.

I hope you enjoy the book and the summary i wrote.

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Chris000 [2009-06-23 03:07:17 +0000 UTC]

I remember reading this book last year in English. George Orwell is a genius and accurately depicted what this day and age would sort of look like, minus the totalitarian psychotic socialist government. You certainly have a lot of time on your hands. I bet your fingers were bleeding after writing that!

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Richard-Onasi In reply to Chris000 [2009-06-23 17:23:31 +0000 UTC]

Yes he was, its too bad he died in 1950. I wonder what else he would have written had he not died then.

Yes that is more or less how they felt after I had finished it.

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Chris000 In reply to Richard-Onasi [2009-06-23 19:30:04 +0000 UTC]

It would have been interesting to think!

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GeneralZadrek [2008-12-15 22:01:51 +0000 UTC]

What a long summary... Quite possible among the longest ones I've ever seen or read.

Anyway, when I was reading the book, I was always wondering if the three super-states even existed, or if the whole war was just one of the Party's schemes to control the population. The constant, neverending war and the whole system was indeed rather... nightmarish. Still, very addicting and interesting book.

If I had to choose, I'd live in Eurasia!

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Richard-Onasi In reply to GeneralZadrek [2008-12-16 05:45:20 +0000 UTC]

First, I would like to thank you for reading the summary, I honestly believed that no one would read the whole thing!

Second, As stated in the summary the three super-states do not differ in idealogy or on the general level of technology; they could easily combine to form a world government. But that would end the war between them, which is the only reason for the division. Without the war their economies, which are essential for the Ruling Classes of all three nations to keep their citizens in their place, would change. Also there would be no enemy to rally the people against, which is neccesarry to keep them loyal to the Government.

And third, what prompted you to choose Eurasia? Western Europe and European Russia, which make up the nation's core regions, were hit hard during the atomic war and most of its major cities probably never fully recovered. They most likely lie in horrible disrepair. If I had a choice I would probably live in Oceania, somewhere in South America or Australia both of which probably suffered only minor damage as a result.

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GeneralZadrek In reply to Richard-Onasi [2008-12-16 13:15:32 +0000 UTC]

I chose Eurasia simply because its political ideology is at least somewhat familiar. We don't really get any information about the "Death-worship" or any other aspect of the Eastasians, but they just sound too weird and, well, suicidal... Oceanian Ingsoc on the other hand is rather nightmarish ideology (unless you're one of the inner party, of course) so, while I by no means support "Neo-Boshevism", at least I know (to some extent) what to expect...

Of course it could be that the Eurasian "Neo-Bolshevism" is Neo-Bolshevism as much the Oceanian "Ingsoc" is socialism... But I wouldn't know it until it was too late.

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Richard-Onasi In reply to GeneralZadrek [2008-12-18 03:54:54 +0000 UTC]

You have got a point. And after thinking about it I have revoked my statement about living in Oceania. I would gather up a group of Proles and Thought Criminals from the Outer Party, like Winston, and take them to South America. There we would build a space craft in secret and use it to construct a space colony. It would be similiar to our space shuttles, meaning reusable. It would be used to take supplies up to the construction site, located probably at L5, and reenter to pick up more supplies. We would probably not be discovered, we would be using random launch sites deep in the jungle. The three super states have little to none space cability so we could not be followed. It would take a long time but the chance for a place where men can be free would motivate us to success. It would have to be able to produce its own food ,air, and power so we colud stay indefinitely.

What do you think?

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Neetsfagging322297 In reply to Richard-Onasi [2012-02-20 13:54:22 +0000 UTC]

One thing I have thought, a group decides to hijack telescreens transmissions and present a video showing Big Brother himself, Big Brother greets his people then denounces the Inner Party, accusing it of betraying the revolution and its own principles.
Even more, he insists that Emmanuel Goldstein is not an opponement hidding in ennemy territory but the one that lead this betrayal, to become the true current leader of Oceania, silently sabotaging it from within and preventing victory against the ennemy but that the ennemy´s own incompetence have thus so far prevented it from defeating Oceania, even after a generation of warfare and knowing everything about the Oceanian military.
He explains that the treacherous monster eventually came to that realization also and have build a serie of hidden shelters, including an outragely luxuous palace for himself, to survive the atomic war he intend to start in order to destroy Oceania, betraying even his foreign supporters in doing so.

He end his message with a call for glorious revolution against Emmanuel Goldstein and his deranged lackeys.

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GeneralZadrek In reply to Richard-Onasi [2008-12-19 11:53:56 +0000 UTC]

That would be extremely hard if not impossible. While building your launch site you'd be at constant risk of being detected, and I'm not sure from where you could find all the raw materials and technology needed to build a spacecraft (from the "rocket bombs", perhaps?).

Besides, if one of the superstates detected your colony (sooner or later that would happen), all three of them would suddenly be very interested in space research, just to come after you and make you love the Big Brother/Comrade Stalin (or whoever "leads" the Eurasia)/Great Leader Mao (or whoever "leads" the Eastasia)...

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Richard-Onasi In reply to GeneralZadrek [2008-12-19 15:22:08 +0000 UTC]

I admit it would be hard, but our desire for freedom would spur us on to success. And if they came after us we would develop nuclear missiles and fire them at the surface and wipe them out. I would feel sad about all the innocents we would Inadvertently kill but once we destroy organized society we could rebuild again.

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Tonoski In reply to Richard-Onasi [2009-05-05 02:56:24 +0000 UTC]

Yeah! Someone's got too much imagination

I think you forget to state that is by war that the Party can direct peoples' hate away from the Party or Ocenia itself. I don't think there is much loyalty as there is a "frenetic frenezy" . Moreover if there is no war between the 3 States, then there wouldn't be Peace, since "War is Peace"

Mmmh I guess "space exploration" is something the book lacked of, obviously because space explorations dates from the 50s and the book was written in 49.

Oh and I would TOTALLY be Eurasian too, they have the biggest territory, hence the biggest safety zones in the world.

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GeneralHelghast In reply to Tonoski [2009-11-12 03:16:08 +0000 UTC]

lol, dumb anarchist. peace is peace. war is war.

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Richard-Onasi In reply to Tonoski [2009-05-09 09:29:01 +0000 UTC]

First thank you for reading the summary and commenting, it took a while for me to type it up and after I was done I was worried no one would read it.

I didn't state it out right but it is implied when it talks about the qualities of Party Members and how there must be a continual state of war because this focuses their attention on the external "threat" so they do not notice what their Government is doing. There is little true loyalty in the older Outer Party members or the Proles, but these people don't really matter to the Inner Party. The younger generation (the one after Julia's) is pretty much completely brainwashed to have absolute loyalty to Big Brother. There is a war it is just not a true war (like the world wars), its purpose is to destroy what is produced so that their is no surplus, this keeps the people's standard of living from rising while focusing their attention on the "war".

There are alot of places in Siberia where one could hide and have low chance of being discovered by the Government.

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