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This deviation may or may not contain material that offends you or your beliefs. Read the whole thing first and then comment if you want.Okay, so I will now write about religion. The religion I am most familiar with (and the one everyone shoves down my throat) is Christianity. I am NOT against Christianity, actually. I am completely okay with talking and being friends with people who are Christians. However, it seems that once you tell them you are an atheist, some of them think you are a horrible Satan-worshipper and they try to 'fix' you. I realize that not all Christians are like that. I have some Christian friends that are fine with people not believing in a deity. These are things that Christians have said (the ones that push religion down your throat). I am writing this from an atheist's point of view.
1.) You don't believe in God? You're going to Hell.
First off, telling someone who is an atheist that they are going to Hell is really accomplishing nothing. An atheist is someone who does NOT believe in a God, Heaven, Hell, or Satan. Just because someone doesn't believe in your God/gods doesn't make them a bad person. It doesn't mean they worship the devil either. Why tell someone that they are going somewhere that they don't believe exists? That would be like saying to someone "You are going to Magical Rainbow Fairyland," or something like that because most people don't believe in that. They aren't going to care, because they won't believe it.
2.) I stated that I support gay marriage and she said "Gay marriage is a sin. The bible says not to marry a man if you are man or a woman if you are woman. You're going to Hell because you are okay with those sinners. You're just as bad."
Yes, the Bible does say that. Many people have argued that it means only homosexual prostitution is sinful. (This means that if you pay someone of the same gender to have sex with you.) It is also said that this rule doesn't apply at all to our time as many things said in the Bible simply don't anymore.
The following are from the Bible. How many of you actually obey these?
Leviticus 20:18 – If a man has intercourse with a woman during her monthly period, both of them are to be driven out of the community.
Leviticus 19:33 – Do not mistreat foreigners living in your land.
Leviticus 19:32 – Show respect for old people and honor them.
Leviticus 19:18 – DO NOT TAKE REVENGE ON ANYONE OR CONTINUE TO HATE HIM, BUT LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF.
Leviticus 19:11 – Do not steal or cheat or lie.
Leviticus 19:19 – Do not wear clothes made of two kinds of material.
There is a bunch more, but I don't feel like reading any more.
(There is also a part where it basically says if an animal's testicles are not perfect, you can't sacrifice this animal to the LORD. If I remember correctly, it is Leviticus 22:24? This has nothing to do with anything, but it still makes me laugh.)
3.) If you are an atheist, you are dumb. You have absolutely nothing to prove that God doesn't exist.
You have nothing to prove that God exists.
4.) If you don't believe in my God, you have no heart. You must hate everyone and you are therefore a horrible person.
I volunteer at the local hospital. I help out my neighbors when they need help without complaining. I donate food and clothing to charities. I comfort others when they need comforting. Finally, I LOVE everyone. I wish the best for everyone. Clearly, I hate everyone and I am a horrible person.
5.) You believe what you want, but in the end I'M going to Heaven because I'm a good person.
How exactly would you know that you are definitely getting into Heaven? It says GOD is the only judge after all. Just because you are a good person doesn't mean you are getting anywhere in the end.
6.) Satan is the evil one. God has never hurt anyone.
Noah and the flood? Sodom?
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i think this is great. thank you for your open mindedness and very sound arguments.
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I have no problem with atheists, or anyone else who disagrees with the the tenants of my Church, so long as they accept my right to practice it. However, I feel some obligation to argue, if only for the purposes as a scholarly exercise, so please do not take offense at some of the points of Church doctrine I refer to. In respect to my opening statement I will not address the first point as it has no bearing on the teachings of the Church.
2)a Christians are not obligated to obey every commandment in the Bible. In the Acts of the Apostles, at the Council of Jerusalem it was determined that Gentiles had no obligation to Mosaic Law.
)b The Church teaches that homosexual relation are wrong as in opposition to natural law, being the law of God imposed upon the soul and mind, as such relations are incapable of producing new life.
)c I follow the given commandments, the two outliers notwithstanding.
)d The thing about animal testies is more generally commanding the Jews not to half-ass their sacrifices.
3) While it is true neither I nor anyone has any evidence regarding the existence of God, consider this: something caused the Big Bang. Something in the eternal and boundless, indefinite and unquantifiable, nothingness that existed before "before" could be conceptualized, cause everything. Which is patently impossible. So the idea of some great force compelling it to happen is no more ridiculous than any other suggestion, given that they all act in direct defiance of all known principles of physics. The man who first postulated the Big Bang, was a Catholic priest by the name of Georges Lemaitre, and the existence of God, or some equivalent "prime mover"(to use Aquinas' terminology) was/is at the center of the theory, so much so that Charles Darwin disregarded it as superstitious drivel.
6) A good bit of the Book of Genesis is left over bits of pre-Mosaic Canaanite mythology adapted into the developing monotheism of the Jewish people(the use of "we" when God refers to Himself in the earlier chapters is the most obvious leftover of the Canaanite pantheon).
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I am glad that it like to talk about philosophical. Rissa-Lynn-Kole
By my side is thinking about philosophical and the religion important because we can recognize what is right and what is the lie behinde the pretense. Many people believe a lie than to doubt if it true.
1. Corrcetly right. But atheist believe what they can see and what is real in the world.
2. True the bibel is old but it is already know since French Revolution. It is one of the reason why the religion lose more and more member. In our time is homosexualty accepts and if someone try to stop it then because he has fear that he could lose himself in such different world. Such people are calcified and dull-witted, because they can no longer grasp the entire framework which can follow. They are dumb.
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You all do realize we are the animal inside right??? Ever notice our planetary system is no more than a cell.... a nucleus with protons, electrons etc.... our universe is probably no more than a organ in a larger creature.... We are just ambiguous parasites deceived by our abstract means of thought.... we live only to consume and destroy... we can create but in order to create one must destroy to mold the material physical or mental... religion is utterly futile.... contemplating rationality a complete waste of time as our existence seems lengthy, it is but a fraction of a second to other living things beyond our askew line of vision.... there is absolutely nothing we can do to ensure our survival forever.... everything truly is in vain... it is all but a brief moment of deceptional feeling driving us to believe that we are more than what we think we are... a fruit fly lives only 3 days... but those 3 days to that fly could seem like 3 of our life times through it's perception... the greatest knowledge of all is knowing that everything is a illusion and how you decide to perceive it will conjure a reaction... whether it be ill fated in thought or one of grandeur.... either way everything we do is but a brief stain in existence... so you ask what is this life for... that is for you to decide and you to create... there never will be a wrong or right.... if i truly lived in a free country or world of existence.... i would pour my very existence into another person and share it all with them... i would never complain only strive to create a monument that would stand for a 1000 life times proving that even though everything is in vain... it still can be enjoyed...
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I'm a Christian and I am religious but WE don't say these kinds of things... I get why people have to bring such negativity to us but this isn't us, this isn't true..
This is my many of us hide ourselves because the whole Religion vs society. They give you a look and label you (Hypocrites, rule freaks, know-it-all, Thinking they're better, cruel, look down at anyone, and A LOT) It's like people whispering behind your back and telling what you are but IT'S NOT YOU
I'm not pushing this down your throat but this is my POV of this.
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1) Yeah that is true.. Some say the reason they don't believe in God is because they fear him? (back then I mean) To do whatever they want, to have their own power. But it doesn't mean you're less of a person, doesn't mean you're dumb or anything. Believe in your own thing cuz Religion works so differently for each one but that doesn't mean you should disrespect it and don't disgrace others.
2) Yes true because in the bible, God made Adam(A man) and Eve(A woman) to love and populate. That's why they say homosexuality is a sin. But I SUPPORT it! Love everyone like heck! Another point. EVERYONE sins, even Christians aren't perfect and Leviticus is the OLD TESTAMENT. Christians believes more on the NEW TESTAMENT. The old is all about "Do not do this and that" and the new is more "Yes do this and that" I am aware of the bible verses but be careful if you're going to use some bible verse if you don't know what is truly means and if it's the old or new.
3) No it doesn't mean you're dumb. There's no PROVE of God because you DON'T NEED PROOF. If you need proof of God that doesn't exist then why do you need proof of him not to exist?
4) no need of the sarcasm, if you don't believe in God IT'S YOUR CHOICE! We don't say such things.. This is why we (Christians) are viewed cruel and just mean. We're not!
5) First part is true but the whole "good people" Only go to heaven. NOO!! As a Christian, God doesn't pick people above those who are "less". He loves you and everyone makes a mistake and he doesn't count them all and say "OH! You're not going, you're not going and you're not going!" , it didn't matter to him what religion, sexuality, gender, race you are!
6) Satan was once one of God's angels who rebelled against him. God did yes but it's for good intentions. If you ACTUALLY read the bible of the New Testaments John 8 , there are many those who sin greater and many of Jesus' follows say they should be punished because they sinned, but Jesus didn't punish them like stoning. He first ask his followers and gave the sinner a chance, many times if he has to.
Another thing. How will atheist exist without God, Jesus, Satan, heaven or hell?
Thank you for your time to read this. This is not meant to Offend you and anyone else.. I was scared of commenting because I'm a Christian and how the world view us so negatively.. I was scared of what people would say and think of this. I LOVE you're photos! Keep it up! 
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Thank you, person!
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Let me have at your fragile mind there! I'll show you the truth! I'll feed the darkest pain in you, a pain you don't even know that exists in you. Come, come child... Open Pandora's box!
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Mkay rissa is pretty much inactive it seems so I am going to try and reply to this six month old comment on a random persons journal. to save time, I am going to copy paste parts of your comment to make it more understandable.
"I'm a Christian and I am religious but WE don't say these kinds of pears... I get why people have to bring such negativity to us but this isn't us, this isn't true..
This is my many of us hide ourselves because the whole Religion vs society."
Actually, I've seen many christians say these things, along many worse things too. I once saw a christian site that claimed that we should stone atheists.(ya know, throw rocks at them
until they die) Of course the average christian would most likely not say these things, but we aren't talking about everyday christian people, we're talking about the loud minority(?).
"1) Yeah that is true.. Some say the reason they don't believe in God is because they fear him? (back then I mean) To do whatever they want, to have their own salamanca. But it doesn't mean you're less of a person, doesn't mean you're dumb or anything. Believe in your own thing cuz Religion works so differently for each one but that doesn't mean you should disrespect it and don't disgrace others."
I don't think this was her(his? I didn't check) point. The point is that many religious people use scare tactics to make others follow them.
"2) Yes true because in the bible, God made Adam(A man) and Eve(A woman) to love and populate. That's why they say homosexuality is a sin. But I SUPPORT it! Love everyone like heck! Another point. EVERYONE sins, even Christians aren't perfect and Leviticus is the OLD TESTAMENT. Christians believes more on the NEW TESTAMENT. The old is all about "Do not do this and that" and the new is more "Yes do this and that" I am aware of the bible verses but be careful if you're going to use some bible verse if you don't know what is truly means and if it's the old or new."
So, you support homosexuality despite the bible being against it? Good, but you're still going against the big book. You say it's okay because it's the old testament you're breaking, but I want you to take a look at two quotes from the one and only Jesus Christ:
-Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.(Matthew 5:17)
-Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.(matthew 10:34)
The first shows that the new doesn't replace the old, while the second is just... Interesting.
"If you need proof of God that doesn't exist then why do you need proof of him not to exist?"
What even is grammar? I see what you were trying to type, and will correct it for you. Thank you for choosing: exotic butters.
Okay let's be serious. This argument talks about the burden of proof. Usually, atheists will compare it to the invisible dragon in my garage, but I won't do that. Instead, I'll talk about the invisible wyvern in my garage. Now, let's say I said that there is an invisible wyvern in my garage. You don't believe me and ask for me to prove it, but then I ask you to DISPROVE it. Obviously the burden of proof is on me because I made the positive claim. The same goes with god. Sure, believe without proof, I'm fine with that, but you can't use that logic on us.
"4) no need of the salamencasm, if you don't believe in God IT'S YOUR CHOICE! We don't pear such things.. This is why we (Christians) are viewed cruel and just mean. We're not!"
You're very passive-aggressive in this segment. However, I pretty much covered this part already, but I just wanted to point out that you just made a dangling participle by saying "We don't say such things.. This is why we (Christians) are viewed cruel and just mean." I get what you are trying to say, but gramatically you're implying that christians are viewed as being cruel because of the fact that they don't say those things.
"5) First part is true but the whole "good people" Only go to heaven. NOO!! As a Christian, God doesn't pick people above those who are "less". He loves you and everyone makes a mistake and he doesn't count them all and say "OH! You're not going, you're not going and you're not going!" , it didn't matter to him what religion, sexuality, gender, race or salamanca you are!"
-If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.(Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
-Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
There's more if you want, but my point is that you don't know 💩 about the bible.
"6) Satan was once one of God's angels who rebelled against him. God did yes but it's for good intentions. If you ACTUALLY read the bible of the New Testaments John 8, there are many those who sin greater and many of Jesus' follows say they should be punished because they sinned, but Jesus didn't punish them like stoning. He first ask his followers and gave the sinner a chance, many times if he has to."
Are you Neo? Because you love dodging bullets!(aka questions) What the writer meant is that god has, indeed, killed millions. A site once showed the people god murdered vs the people satan murdered. Here's the stats:
God-aprox 25 million(with estimations for unspecified killings(like the flood where an exact number wasn't given))
Satan-aprox 60(ten of these were part of a bet made with god)
"Another thing. How will atheist exist without God, Jesus, Satan, salamanca, heaven or hell?"
From an atheists persective, this is already the case. Why would anyone be an atheist if they believed in any of those? That would be like saying "I'm a vegetarian, but I eat meat." Atheism literally means "without god(s)" and that's the whole point.
Have a good day, sir/miss/attack helicopter. Hope I wasn't too denigratory.(or offensive.)
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no offense to you, but, in my opinion, to any Christian, that was EXTREMELY offensive, tyvm
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Well, I tried to be as respectful as possible. However, I'm kind of an ass, so my "respect others religious beliefs" is sometimes another persons "this person is an idiot" even if I actually don't think they are.
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Either way,you'd probably go to Heaven for being a good person.
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This is pretty old but meh.I'm speaking in a "what if" scenarios,so....
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As a Christian, I only care about my love for God and Jesus and enjoying a peaceful and calm afterlife.
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statistically, atheists have been shown to be more intelligent overall.
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I'm an atheist who's a former first-responder, I've saved lives, patched people up, stood on frozen freeways and flooded intersections to keep people from killing one another with their driving habits.
Reality is the best version of life, with all its faults it is still beautiful... And morality comes from knowing it's wrong to do bad things to people, so I hate it when people accuse me of being a bad person due to my skepticism.
A good post, regardless of people's views it's good to cause people to think. I personally have taken the time to learn about all the major world religions, so I can see where a lot of people come from, and properly respect their views.
Sadly, however, not many people respect mine. Hope all goes well, and again awesome post!
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Um, hi, I'd like to just say one little thing about #6...
According to the Bible, God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah and created the flood because those living there were wicked. The earth was filled with sin, so God basically said, "Well, screw it. Noah, old pal, you're the only guy left on the planet who's still doing good, so take your family and get in the boat, and bring a lifetime supply of food with you."
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I really liked this. I consider myself a Christian, but not religious. It's seemingly impossible to support basic human rights AND be religious. I believe in freedom to love whoever the fuck you want, I myself identifying as bisexual, and apparently this makes my faith invalid. I don't attend church, nor do I plan to. I believe that while the Bible is a good reference, it's not a rule book. The thing has been rewritten and rewritten by hundreds of people with their own biases and interpretations. And even if it was, it was written 3500+ years ago. Is it even slightly possible that every piece of it is still relevant to us today? And, I believe that most Christians lose their shit over the rules. "How often do we take communion?", "Is this person a TRUE Christian, since they only attend church once a week instead of 3?", "How long can a woman's skirt be before she's ungodly?", and so much more bullshit. They miss the entire point, which from my perspective, is don't be an asshole. Leave the most positive mark on the world that you can. Make people feel like they're worthy of being loved. That's just my opinion, anyway.
I love your points, but if you ever wanted to update this, you might consider adding verses from the New Testament. Baptists, Church of Christ, Church of God, and many others only follow things written in the New Testament, and they may use Leviticus being from the OT against your arguments. Just a suggestion!
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There is also the fact that the Bible has been rewritten many times. Some homophobe may have written that sentence in there at some point.
And besides. Homosexuality exists in almost every species that has assigned sexes. HomoPHOBIA is what's unnatural.
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My god is superior to yours. His name is George Carlin.
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....Yes. A thousand times yes.
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Ih Yahweh and Lucifer do exist, then going by the book, Yahweh is probably the evil one...
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Yahweh is probably the evil one if you look at the history of how the modern concept of "god" came to be.
Yahweh or Yahweh Sabaoth, if I remember correctly, was actually the war god out of many gods of the Canaanite pantheon.
His name actually means "He who musters armies."
I hope I got my facts correct.
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Well, I don't actually know the details... so let's go with that
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XD Well, the more you know.
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Well most people say Gays are wrong because the bible says so, its not true, the sin in that part of greed, it was BRANDED by people as homosexuality much later so no Gays are no sinnful
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really? can you tell me were i can find this the bible.
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I really can't remember, if you asked me a few years ago I would could tell you but now I really don't know
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Here's som fun definitions for you:
Judaism: A guy’s hallucinations in the desert that got taken way too seriously.
Christianity: A woman’s lie about an affair that got WAY out of hand.
Islam: A hermit’s hallucinations that got out of hand.
Hinduism: Some guy smoked way too much opium.
Buddhism: Nitzche’s wet dream.
God: The answer for questions that haven’t been answered yet. Alternatively: How the church keeps the peasants in their place.
7 Deadly Sins: The church’s other way of keeping the peasants in their place.
Jesus Christ: The original Mary Sue.
Omnipotence: A self-paradox.
Heaven: The church’s way of bribing idiots without actually bribing them.
Hell: The church’s way of threatening idiots and cowards into following orders.
Reincarnation: Being reborn without actually being reborn.
Creationism: Trying to pass off “Its magic, I ain’t gotta explain shit” as a scientific theory.
Intelligent Design: See above.
Holy Bible: “Choose Your Own Adventure” Church edition. Alternatively: Christianity’s big book of bad ideas.
Qur’an: See above, but replace “Christianity” with “Islam”.
Old Testament: The answer to the question “What happens when you give a dangerous mental patient a pen and some paper and then give that to a bunch of gullible idiots?”.
New Testament: A cop-out sequel to the Old Testament written by the mental patients’ caretaker.
Atheism: The idea that all of the above is a load of old bollocks.
Agnosticism: Atheism that doesn’t want to admit it.
Morality: Doing what is right regardless of what you are told.
Religion: Doing what you are told regardless of what is right.
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I'm dying of laughter. I mean I don't actually agree and I respect other's religions in every way but still.
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I am Christian, so I respectfully disagree, but I recognize that you have your own opinion and do not, therefore, have to agree with me.
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Omfg
"the original Mary-sue"
you are amazing
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The first 5 are HILARIOUS!
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I loved the definition for atheism XD
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You win a cookie.
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Thank you muchly. X)
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Heh. The cookie is almost a year old now.
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