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RobertMacQuarrie1 — Clone Conspiracy Rundown pt 7
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Published: 2017-03-31 23:56:14 +0000 UTC; Views: 4651; Favourites: 46; Downloads: 13
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I could go on, as there are plenty of things that could still be mocked- such as the fact that Slott is essentially just redoing the "conflict" with Gwen's clone that already happened in the first Clone Saga and had been resolved already- but I thought it would be funnier for Spider-Man to just just completely break down and try to rush to the end.Although it does bring up another problem with this story, and all of Slott's "Epics" really, in that he seems incapable of actually ending a story. He can never have his story end at the five issue mark. He's always got to have an addendum, or tag at the the end to tie up loose ends, or set up future plot threads. For some reason, this comes off as extremely lazy to me, since he's not willing to just extend his story by one issue, and is stuck with this dogmatic "Two/ Three/ Five issue" arc mindset. It shows a rigidity in structure that isn't healthy for developing one's writing talent, and his inability to wrap anything up cohesively indicates that he's just going through the motions in plotting these stories and really not doing anything to break up his schedule.
Come back here tomorrow for the final two parts to this series.
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This is why Nick Spencer should've wrote the Amazing Spider-Man right after Superior Spider-Man ended instead of having Dan Slott keep writing Spider-Man for an few more years!
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First Superior Spider-Man and now character assassinating Ben Reilly. It's like Marvel is trying to top the awfulness of One More Day.
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The more I read about this event, the more glad I am that I haven't been buying Spider-Man comics for the past decade or so.
And that makes me sad too. I WANT to read good, NEW Spider-Man comics!
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So has anyone organized the angry mob to lynch and behead Slott, Quesada and JMS?
I have practically abandoned the "Main" Spider-man Franchise for all the BS writing and changes since the 2000's.
First Clone Saga was annoying but tolerable till the later half, Bringing back Norman and having the dead baby was idiotic and a copout, Spider Totems and Morlun was way out the Spider-man style and aesthetic and unnecessary to the franchise, OMD was biggest pile of Crap I have ever seen, Spider-Island was okay halfway, Superior was actually interesting but crazy, Original Sin was unnecessary, Spider-Verse was mostly a certified F. U. to the fanbase, ParkerTech is actually a logical next step in growth that should have been handled better, and Clone Conspiracy is......FUCK!!!
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As polarising as his run as it was especially due to the totem storyline and Morlun, JMS was actually against the idea of undoing Peter and MJ's marriage and removed his name from the final part of OMD, hence why Quesada's name is there instead.
So the real target is Quesada as most of the blame is on him and he was the one who came up with the idea.
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Yet JMS brought that Spider-totem and Morlun nonsense, which led Slott to bring in the mess that is Spiderverse
But Quesada is the biggest Sinner for destroying the happiest and sanest Marvel couple of them all
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Well, actually Morlun was intended to be killed off for real as he was shot by his associate Dex in the end of JMS' first storyline but I think the higher-ups wanted him to be brought back to life in a future storyline, hence The Other. His run may have been polarising and that other divisive storylines included Sins Past, but JMS was indeed against OMD, especially publicly despising it during an argument with editor Stephen Wacker, though that resulted in Mark Waid throwing a jab at his Superman storyline Grounded, which was considered one of the most divisive Superman storylines and especially that it was the last Superman storyline before the New 52.
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But it still does not diminish his role in the decline of Spider-man. JMS has his weight in the mess that is the modern Spider-man series, though not as massive as the woes from Quesada and Slott.
By the way I checked your Ben 10 fic, it's pretty good, better than what Man of Action did and is doing right now
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It actually does and to be fair, he wasn't actually a bad writer since his Thor run is well regarded by fans and hence why he co-wrote the screenplay for the film. Yes, his Spider-Man run has had some divisive storylines but he's not the one responsible for starting the modern Spider-Man mess as you make him out to be.
In fact, the problems behind The Clone Saga and John Byrne's run that MJ was apparently killed off in addition to bringing back Aunt May instead of baby May was responsible for the current decline of Spider-Man. In fact, had Tom DeFalco stayed on as Spider-Man writer, then he would've have had kept baby May alive and being raised by her parents as Spider-Girl showcased his original plan. Of course, he's one of the several writers for The Clone Saga but he said that had he remained remained involved for said storyline, he would have had plans for Ben to have an ongoing after the storyline before Marvel higher-ups vetoed it after the controversial reveal that Ben was Peter and Peter was Ben disappointed many fans and killed him off.
Though a replacement scrappy for Peter when he was revealed to be Peter all along before the final storyline revealed him to be the clone all along, he was great as the Scarlet Spider and fans who liked him wanted him back to life in a future storyline. He did get brought back to life in a storyline but that storyline turned out to be a third Clone Saga that was The Clone Conspiracy: Dead No More and helmed by Slott.
So all and all, The Clone Saga is more or less responsible for starting the modern Spider-Man mess since it lasted for two years and that fans who support the marriage have turned either to RYV or the newspaper strips, now that Spider-Girl has ended its run. On the other hand, IRYO on the JMS run.
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Yeah the Clone Saga really started the decline and absurdity of the Spider-man franchise, yet the 2000's really made the impacts that damaged the franchise critically. And right now is just the "teabagging of the corpse"
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OMD is the one that damaged it critically, so not the entire Noughties thank you very much.
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what omega one-shot? i read it not really impressed. but i did like the kingpin scenes. though i gotta say gwen was a bit annoying there. peter said that this was done, just cause he didn't speak her name she felt ostracized. thanks to Ben scene i don't know if he was telling the truth about that or not. but i can clearly say that waiting for superior otto with extra hydra is definitely something i'd want to see. otto butting heads with cap to take over the world will be a sight to behold.
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When I read the last panel and Spidey yelled "GAAAHH!", it instantly reminded me of that one "I'm a Marvel and I'm a DC" video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy7Sli…
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Yeah, it's pretty crystal clear by now that Slott has no respect for Peter or his history.
I still can't properly rationalize why Slott would do all this besides getting a paycheck and/or indulging his fantasy of having "Super Awesome, Better then Peter" Superior Spiderman still be in the story even though Otto's story in that series was done last I heard.
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Sadly true. If you asked me a year ago if I wanted a Scarlet Spider story with Ben back, I would have been all for it, but now the character and book is going to have the taint of this mess going in, not a good way to start a series that is also a old favorite of many people coming back.
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I'm starting to think the only good thing Slott has ever done at this point is convince Marvel to commission Renew Your Vows.... because thank all that is holy I can read that universe instead and not deal with this dreck. The sooner this planned 'Meat and Potatoes/Marvel does Rebirth' thing happens after Secret Empire the better.
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Oh, I don't think that Slott for one second asked Marvel to commission Renew Your Vows.
I think Renew Your Vows was happening with or without him, and he was asked to be the one to write the story.
He just took credit for it.
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I agree. There. And ha e you seen the messages he has been posting in forums about Peter and MJ getting together? He sounds like a child having a tantrum and a massive hypocrite.
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Well on CBR forums he specifically stated that RYV would have never happened if it wasn't for him, since the Marvel office is apparently so universally against restoring the Peter/MJ relationship or marriage. Which is stupid given how nothing has been done with Peter's love life since OMD ended outside token efforts. Even the one promising idea of him and Carol Danvers dating got squashed.
But I'm glad he did because Gerry is killing it on that book, lovely and fun and Annie is such a great character and it FEELS LIKE REAL LEGACY/CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. Just nice having an option, really.
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Oh, yeah. And Slott also lies all the time.
He lies about behind the scenes information on the book, in particular about how "Every creative team since it came about wanted to get rid of the marriage." Which isn't true.
He lies about his critics and constantly claims that they are just out to get him.
He lies about Spider-Man Crawlspace and says that they are always critical of him, when they have been very praiseworthy in regards to many of his stories.
He lies about Bleeding Cool and says that they are just rumor mongers.
He lies about sales figures and always insists that he's always doing great, due to "phantom" numbers "ghost" fans who always outnumber the people critical of him and totally exist, just take his word on it.
The guy lies. It is his go to approach to solve a problem, or address a critic. He's doing great, we're just stupid, none of what we say impacts anything, and we are just to shut up and stop talking, because you can trust him, but he can't explain or prove anything he says.
Don't trust a single word this man says. In fact, if he says something, it's most likely the opposite.
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Surprised that you didn't bring up how they have Kaine dying from degeneration again...like in the 90's. Marvel seems to think 90's nostalgia will sell books. They bring back Ben, give Kaine degeneration and make Eddie Brock venom again because "nostalgia!".
I don't mind the scarlet spider book because it mentions that Ben will go through a redemption arc and become his old self again. Also, it's written by Peter David, someone who can actually write.
Sorry. I'm a sucker for redemption stories. It's another reason I hate superior. It tries to come off as a redemption story but Ock never actually feels guilt or remorse for his past actions and it's really just a story about an evil asshole that keeps getting away with doing awful things because of main character shields and everyone being stupid.
...sorry, this got off track. I still have hope for Ben Reilly and the new series.
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