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Description Once again I find myself asking Marvel "How could you screw this up?"

Seriously, they had the perfect setup with this.  Spectacular Spider-Man #1 was meant to be a "Back to Basics" approach to the series.  A good jumping on point for the fans, and a series to entice people coming in from Homecoming.  MJ had been out of the books for several years by this point, barring a guest appearance here or there, but nothing major.  Marvel was laying heavily into the Pro Peter and MJ fanbase, with the first Renew Your Vows trade paperback being released, another Epic collection featuring Kraven's Last Hunt and ASM Annual #21, and tons of MJ merchandise coming later in the summer.  And they even celebrated it with the MJ variant covers, which got everyone talking.  MJ even made an appearance in the Free Comic Book Day special, with the author- Chip Zdarsky- talking about how eager he was to write Peter and MJ and their banter. 

Then Spectacular Spider-Man #1 comes out, and at the end we meet a woman... who claims to be Teresa Parker, Peter's supposed sister.

And MJ is not mentioned at all.  And there's no indication she will be in any Spider-Man book save for her counterpart in Renew Your Vows until October at the possible earliest.

To say that is a massive failure all around is an understatement.

But here's the thing- I kind of suspect why this happened.  Contrary to what some believe, I don't think that "Marvel" "Hates" Mary Jane Watson.  Her character makes them too much money for them to hate her.  No, what I suspect was that MJ was supposed to return in Spectacular Spider-Man #1 at the very end, hence the lead up.  However, then the whole "Legacy" thing with Marvel started to happen, and I suspect that the creators involved decided to hold off on MJ's return until the fall, as that is a sure fire way to boost interest in the title.  So instead they decided to change things around so that instead of MJ, it's another character that Johnny meets at the end of the issue (If you look at the page in question, Teresa's head looks a little wonky, suggesting that the head was possibly photoshopped in later).

Now, I'm of two minds of this.  For one, this is a massive failure on Marvel's part, and a big case of either false advertising, or an outright bait and switch.  You got fans all excited for SSM#1 with the possible return of MJ, and then the rug gets pulled out from under them.  And Marvel cannot afford to be losing fans at this point.  Not to mention that this is another in a long series of delays fans of Peter and MJ have had to sit through to not get closure on this storyline, but just a basic continuation.  On the other hand, if MJ does come back, and they are deliberately bringing her back for Legacy, which they are trying to advertise as bringing back classic characters and restoring important connections between others, then this might be a very good thing for fans of Pete and MJ. 

I suspect if MJ just came back in Spectacular at the end of the first issue, we wouldn't get much headway in regards to resolving the differences between Peter and MJ, or work towards a reconciliation.  I suspect it would be "MJ's back" and there would be the whole song and dance again, if even that.  MJ and Peter would just be "Best friends" with a hint of romance, possibly, with no major headway or work done to reconcile the two and reunite them as a couple.  It would be endless tease upon endless tease with the explanation of "We're waiting for the right story to tell" when asked if and when Peter and MJ get back together.  Which in turn would basically be "Wait until the sequel to Homecoming to keep baiting fans along." 

But if MJ does come back in the fall, then that may mean that the point of her return is to actually resolve her relationship issues with Peter Parker, and actually make significant headway on that story, if not resolve it outright.  At least, that is if Marvel actually decides to do that.

That's the problem.  I've got little faith in Marvel right now for them to do the right thing.  The thing with the MJ covers and Spectacular Spider-Man #1?  Yeah, that could because they were holding her off for later.  Or they could have just bungled it that badly.  And even if MJ does come back in the fall, that doesn't necessarily mean that the comics will actively work towards resolving the situation between Peter and MJ, and reuniting the couple again.  Given what we've seen from Legacy so far, it just might end up being the same old, same old, with Slott just doing what he was already going to do with ASM.  Peter starts work at a new job- Horizon University, or something like that- working in their tech department, coming up with endless gadgets to help him out in crimefighting, making goo-goo eyes at another woman, while Anna Marie Marconi serves as his sidekick and confidant, while Doc Ock and Norman Osborn wait in the wings, hatching their next plan.  And while MJ may show up, it's not for anything major, and just pops up in ever other issue for a few panels. 

Now this may be presumptuous, but I feel that in order for Spider-Man to succeed in the fall, Mary Jane Watson not only needs to come back, but reuniting her with Peter as a romantic couple needs to be the central focus of the first arc.  As in "Marvel, outright tell people that, yes, MJ is coming back and the first story is about her getting back together with Peter."  Don't have MJ just show up for one page at the end of the first issue, then only appear for two in the next, then one page in the third issue, then two in the fourth, then just for about three pages in the fifth issue, then disappear for multiple issues at a time.  Don't have her show up on the arm of another guy, and make fans go through the same "Will they or won't they" nonsense that is driving people away.  No.  MJ's got to basically be the co-star in the book.  She plays a major role in the first arc, to the point where she is basically the deuteragonist.  Hey, if Anna Marie Marconi can basically be Peter's sidekick, so can MJ.  The first arc is all about her relationship with Peter.  It's not the "B" or "C" or "D" plot.  It's the "A" plot, with everything else taking a backstage to that.  That's what needs to happen.  DC didn't wait around to get Clark and Lois back together for Rebirth.  They jumped right in and sorted everything else out later.  Marvel doesn't have time to waste with Legacy.  It needs to tell fans right away why they should care, why they should be invested, and why they should buy their product.  If they don't, then Marvel's in real big trouble.  And a real good way to get people invested is to promise them that the storyline they've been waiting for resolution on for so long is going to finally get some closure. 

That is, if Marvel is even capable anymore of listening to their fans, and doing what they want, rather than just doing whatever they want to do and telling fans they have to accept what they put out, no questions asked.
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Comments: 47

Jw4301 [2022-01-16 23:43:47 +0000 UTC]

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MightyMorphinPower4 [2017-07-16 17:10:15 +0000 UTC]

Agg they changing everything , People are already complaining about the new dr who

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SpiderFan1 [2017-07-01 00:50:37 +0000 UTC]

Teresa Parker is from the OGN, "Family Business". And as far as I can tell, she's the ONLY good part about SSM, assuming they keep the character the same as she was in that story.

The sad part is, I think even ASM is better than SSM, simply because I find Slott at least more competent than Chip. Even if Slott's characterization has always off, all the time.

RYV remains the best Spider-Title out, but I'm not a fan of what Stegman has done.

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Ziggyman [2017-06-30 19:17:25 +0000 UTC]

I can imagine the thinking heads at Marvel marketing dept. acting exactly this way in the last publicity stunt. They went overkill with their own hype.

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Eon101 [2017-06-30 07:03:10 +0000 UTC]

"Aw, *CENSORED*, I KNEW we forgot SOMETHING!" XD *insert epic fail horn noise here*

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MarkFanboy [2017-06-29 23:23:04 +0000 UTC]

At least I've got my Spidey back issues and my own comic book that I'm writing featuring my own version of Peter and MJ.

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MOMOpJonny [2017-06-29 21:34:15 +0000 UTC]

I blame DAN SLOTT & the editors of the Spider- titles. At least Brian Michael Bendis is giving her (some) time in his Iron Man title.

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RobertMacQuarrie1 In reply to MOMOpJonny [2017-06-30 05:11:59 +0000 UTC]

Personally, I blame a rigid adherence to trying to tie in with the movies for some inane "Corporate synergy" instead of actually telling stories that fans want to read.

I suspect the real reason MJ has been out of the books for so long has less to do with editorial "Hating" her and more to do with the fact that the latest solo Spider-Man film kept getting pushed back.

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MOMOpJonny In reply to RobertMacQuarrie1 [2017-06-30 06:11:43 +0000 UTC]

They have 52 titles. SRSLY!

Editors are going all over. They need to- NEED TO- change up their creative teams. Dan Slott is getting stale- like bread left in the sun for a week. And the Avengers book- TOO MANY. They need to trim HALF of those, because the average consumer can't afford all those titles.

Wait... what?

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chaosBrushogun [2017-06-29 17:41:50 +0000 UTC]

the new spider-man kinda sucked anyhow, so the build up was pretty much a waste of energy.
lots of cringey humor, almost felt like something out of Ghostbusters 2016 in some parts.
maybe it'll get better, but this is a bad start

oh! and the stupid soap opera cliche at the end of a long lost relative, which will most likely be a clone, robot, or something that won't have any long term affect. 

just keep reading renew you vows at this point
in the mean time i'm reading ultimate spider-man. really good stuff

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AdonCa [2017-06-29 13:00:53 +0000 UTC]

At this point I can't even get angry anymore.  Not because it isn't awful -- it is.  But because at this stage I honestly cannot expect any better from Marvel.  For years now they have established that they buy into any publicity is good publicity, and seem to go out of their way to piss off their fans.  Sad thing is, they will keep doing it as long as people keep buying their stuff... even though every indication is that a lot fewer people are buying their stuff in general.

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tordi [2017-06-29 10:58:40 +0000 UTC]

But then we will not see Teresa actually be a russian spy andoroid from the N-sone, who it turns out is actually just a part of a plot from the Jackal from a parallel univers to give a larg part of new York cancer, but in a as shoking twist for the writhers as the readers it turn out that Teresa was actually the origenal spiderman all along and Peter was just a figment of the collective consciousness of the multivers, and that she was a bloger who actually sold her identety as an lesbian women to Mefisto as to gain the straight male privilege and ther by not face the harasment of pepole like J.Jhonna Jhemmson after she got doxst under the sivilwore, but now she vill onse again be in University study to be an reporter and faceing sexist hetronormative super vilans.

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tl34 [2017-06-29 10:43:36 +0000 UTC]

My Blood pressure boils again

Lucky that  Spider-man Homecoming is gonna cheer me up


Also this is why DC is dominating the comics since Rebirth. They fixed the DUMB SHIT and kept the good things going. MARVEL Keeps piling the SHIT and it's starting to clog and overflow with more waste.

And also how many sister-like characters Peter has now? There's Anya, both Jessica's (and Ulitmate Clone Jessica), and Julia

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Picassamia [2017-06-29 04:52:36 +0000 UTC]

Simple idea to help resolve the Peter/MJ romance issue: kill Mephisto.

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RidersofArmageddon In reply to Picassamia [2018-10-19 11:02:42 +0000 UTC]

Right on! BTW, the Devil never actually holds the power over souls (it's actually due to culture and legend, not truth). I sometimes imagine myself stabbing Marvel's Mephisto with the Sword of the Spirit (as found in a section of the 6th chapter from Paul's Epistle to the Ephesian Church).

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maxmax007 [2017-06-29 04:36:25 +0000 UTC]

Well ,good thing Invincible got a happy family

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Essteka [2017-06-29 04:25:02 +0000 UTC]

10 years. It's been almost 10 years since "One More Day" happened, and yet Marvel STILL hasn't fixed the mistakes caused by this story. Ugh...

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chaosBrushogun In reply to Essteka [2017-06-29 17:46:51 +0000 UTC]

"10 years. It's been almost 10 years since "One More Day" happened"

then get over it and move on
it's been 10 years and unless creative control changes at marvel, its probably not gonna happen. 
even if peter and mj got together again, you know they'd just write contrived story after contrived story of them breaking up and getting together again.

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Essteka In reply to chaosBrushogun [2017-06-29 18:14:50 +0000 UTC]

If Linkara from Atop the Fourth Wall is allowed to complain about OMD after all these years, anyone can complain about it as well, myself included.

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chaosBrushogun In reply to Essteka [2017-06-29 18:23:45 +0000 UTC]

id say he more jokes about it then anything. most of his jokes in more recent stuff never come off as actual anger.
i never said you Couldn't complain about it. im just saying expecting results after all this time is just a waste of time.

i'd personally just move on and find other spider-man books to read if mj and peter are that much of a deal-breaker for someone not to read spider-man. that's all

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Essteka In reply to chaosBrushogun [2017-06-29 18:26:20 +0000 UTC]

When did I ever said that I was reading the more recent Spider-Man comics? Not once did I said that.

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chaosBrushogun In reply to Essteka [2017-06-29 18:30:02 +0000 UTC]

...and? 

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Essteka In reply to chaosBrushogun [2017-06-29 18:34:01 +0000 UTC]

You said "just move on and find other spider-man books to read". I never read any of the Spider-Man comic made after OMD to begin with.

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chaosBrushogun In reply to Essteka [2017-06-29 18:38:23 +0000 UTC]

that's your problem

i moved on past one more day and fully enjoy most of what iv'e read post OMD.
there are plenty of other books to enjoy and letting one relationship retcon ruin your enjoyment is just stupid in my opinion

whatever though. you do you and keep waiting for them to retcon OMD. plenty of old comics to read, plenty of other versions of the character in media. 

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Essteka In reply to chaosBrushogun [2017-06-29 18:42:25 +0000 UTC]

When did I say I wasn't reading OTHER comics? Plus, it's not like I'm spending all my time every day complaining about OMD. My comment from last night was the first time in months that I complained about that crappy comic.

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chaosBrushogun In reply to Essteka [2017-06-29 18:47:52 +0000 UTC]

Then why even bring it up?

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Essteka In reply to chaosBrushogun [2017-06-29 18:50:59 +0000 UTC]

...Because OMD was the beginning of Peter and MJ no longer being together and Marvel refusing to let them being back together, with what RobertMacQuarrie1 was complaining about in this latest comic being the latest example of Marvel's overall attitude towards this couple. DUH.

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chaosBrushogun In reply to Essteka [2017-06-29 18:54:35 +0000 UTC]

ok, so were back the original issue
marvel isn't gonna change this set up unless new creative control takes over. this is one aspect of marvel comics and is honestly worth oversight if someone still wants to enjoy spider-man.
my point still stands that i think complaining about omd is pointless and a waste of time at this point

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Essteka In reply to chaosBrushogun [2017-06-29 18:57:37 +0000 UTC]

I don't think complaining is pointless at all, no matter what the subject is.

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chaosBrushogun In reply to Essteka [2017-06-29 19:01:10 +0000 UTC]

I think it's pointless when it's clear no result will come of it.
You said yourself it's been 10 years and I'd rather it actually be a creative decision to put them back together, rather than being forced to by fans.

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Essteka In reply to chaosBrushogun [2017-06-29 19:02:34 +0000 UTC]

Whatever you say...

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Lezithian [2017-06-29 04:10:53 +0000 UTC]

And everyone thought RYV was going to be Marvel pulling a Superman Rebirth. They only got to the halfway mark in it....now just stick em in the 616! Sadly, I don't know if we will ever have OMD end with current Marvel heads....and ohhhh yes, everyone wants it over, but the staff doesn't.

Such a shame too, since RYV seems to be kinda starting to pick up traction. How much traction? Lemme tell y'all a story.

So I have a subscription to RYV at my comic store which is great. I go in this month and get my hands on issue 8. Awesome!...but I notice something on the shelves of the shop....there is no RYV8 being sold on the RYV shelf. It's like it wasn't even there. I ask the clerk and they tell me they immediatley sold out of that issue. This shop doesn't get variants of comics mind you (they find variants stupid) so they didn't even get the RYV Venom MJ variant cover that apparently was in high demmand....but I notice this is happening in other places too....RYV isue 8 is sold out...just cause of the premise and story.

It apparently was a hit with readers, because the next day I go into the shop, the only issues they have left are issues 1-4 with a single issue 5 and the trade they were selling was gone. 

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Dragon-sword In reply to Lezithian [2017-07-06 16:38:11 +0000 UTC]

While RYV is getting really good, I honestly don't want them to pull a Superman Reborn with the series. Partly because it'd just be ripping off DC again. But also because I would honestly like RYV to stay it's own thing. As for the Mainstream Spider-man, I want them to finally undo the deal with Mephisto and give Peter and MJ their marriage back. I've already said how it can be done in a comment on Linkara's One More Day review here .

And what to do once the marriage is restored? I would like to see Peter and MJ raising Annie in her toddler/baby years. We could see what it's like for Spidey having to adjust to life as a parent. Maybe contemplating on whether or not he should hang up the mask. Also, I would want them to acknowledge how this changes the timeline. Not all in one story, but revealed bit by bit as the series goes along.

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Lezithian In reply to Dragon-sword [2017-07-09 17:18:04 +0000 UTC]

Now that's some good quality ideas and thoughts right here.


I like your thoughts on showcasing how the timeline was altered as the series progresses. That is a nice idea that can explain to everyone what has changed and what hasn't. 

Dunno bout annie being a baby currently though, mostly cause I saw her as another version of the the clone saga baby. She'd be 8-9 currently in the comics that would mean wich would be cool. She could hang with other iconic marvel kids.

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Dragon-sword In reply to Lezithian [2017-07-09 18:43:43 +0000 UTC]

Thanks. But, I thought the Clone Saga baby was Mayday and that Annie is the daughter Peter and Mary Jane would've had if the deal with Mephisto had never happened.

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Lezithian In reply to Dragon-sword [2017-07-17 03:02:30 +0000 UTC]

I've always though Annie was another incarnation of the clone saga baby...

Then again, Gerry Conway has admitted he has yet to decide what time period Annie was born and if clone saga even happened at all.

It's already confirmed that RYV world is the same timeline as the 616 as most people fit the same age such as Normie, Peter and MJ (Peter in the 616 tends to have a vague age but is said to be around his late 20s or early 30s). So Annie was probably born soon after they were married. Knowing this, She is probably either the baby from clone saga, or a baby that would of happened if they uhh...got a bun in the oven a bit earlier

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Zefram [2017-06-29 02:49:06 +0000 UTC]

Pretty much.

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TheScarletMercenary [2017-06-29 02:29:50 +0000 UTC]

And again, I must remind everyone of my strategy, "If you don't like the direction they are headed, Bail out" or the shorter version "Don't like it, Don't Buy it."

Gonna make an art piece about that in the future. IF I remember....

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RobertMacQuarrie1 In reply to TheScarletMercenary [2017-06-29 02:39:13 +0000 UTC]

Actually, studies show that is the worst way to affect change, as the people making the product will have no way of knowing what the problem is that is causing people to drop the product without feedback.

Complaining has a far better success rate, as that allows the people in charge to determine what the problems are and the best way to resolve them.

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TheScarletMercenary In reply to RobertMacQuarrie1 [2017-06-29 02:51:52 +0000 UTC]

How many of your complaints have actually been successful? The way I see it, Dan Slott is still on the Amazing Spider-Man book. If they do actually listen, they must not care.

Are they actually changing their direction? Cause with what I'm seeing with Legacy, It's nothing but nostalgia hooking without any actual change, making them even more money, to them it's buisiness as usual.

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RobertMacQuarrie1 In reply to TheScarletMercenary [2017-06-29 04:47:15 +0000 UTC]

Well, DC fans managed to get Rebirth. 

So certain changes can happen.  They may take a while, but fans eventually do get their way, one way or another.

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TheScarletMercenary In reply to RobertMacQuarrie1 [2017-06-29 05:08:15 +0000 UTC]

*Sighs* I'm not sure what to think anymore. Got word that the Marvel Heroes game is taking out the Fantastic Four stuff, so that was a day killer for me... Mainly because of my plan for a Marvel Animated universe included an Fantastic Four series in the Phase 2 section...

Maybe it's all the negative side of things that's getting me down lately... The more cynical and pessimistic side telling me "It ain't happening, so forget it..." I guess me being the "optimistic, idealistic dreamer kid" is holding me back on seeing the real world...

I mean I heard sales are low because of "bad press." And maybe Marvel Legacy will be hit hard and they will get the messege, but again, I don't know...

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Aros001 In reply to TheScarletMercenary [2017-06-29 03:33:16 +0000 UTC]

He's basically in a situation of "Do this or do nothing" and in this case doing nothing guarantees nothing will happen, while getting your voice out there can at least attract others with the same voice.

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TheScarletMercenary In reply to Aros001 [2017-06-29 03:35:07 +0000 UTC]

*Sighs* I honestly don't know anymore.....

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NinjacopEx [2017-06-29 02:29:12 +0000 UTC]

Wolverine Publicity Stunt!

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tl34 In reply to NinjacopEx [2017-06-29 10:44:21 +0000 UTC]

Aka MARVEL's Classic dick move for sales

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NinjacopEx In reply to tl34 [2017-06-29 17:59:52 +0000 UTC]

Yep, And they can't get sued.

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