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Diego and Ayelén (Argentina) with Melvin and Gigi (Falklands/Malvinas Islands, South Georgias and Sandwich).Yesterday was April 2 so I had to draw something, you know, the commemorations of the Falklands War. But I decided to present everybody something different.
Diego represents Argentina (he is the tall guy), Ayelén represent the Patagonia, region of Argentina (because of historical reasons she is represented apart and is Diego's wife).
Melvin represents the Malvinas/Falklands Islands (he is the kid with the googles) and Gigi represents the South Georgias and Sandwich (for historical reasons she is only one person).
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GRACIAS!
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Que lindos! >w<
Me gusta el diseño de la ropa
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Nicely done. Though I'd like to see how England reacts to the whole Falklands thing.
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Only the Islands remind that day. England only takes notice because of the yearly report they receive on that date from Argentina to the ONU.
Only some study guys know about it quite somehow, all the rest is a futbol rivalry only XD.
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I guess it's not as bad as before, right?
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It never was "bad" you know?- Argentina always is a very "easy going" country when is about such things. Although yes, we mark certain limits. Which ones England never learned to respect.
England is the most touchy one, If I must put the finger on the issue. Since they are quite scandalous and sensible about things that Argentinians consider that are "light" or "the past is passed".
Yes, we do commemorate stuff, but as you can see we don't have any grudge towards English people at all. Although I can't say the same from them to us XD hahahaha.
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Honestly, you must live in a different Argentina. Because where I live, this is a big issue and yes, people do hold a grudge over it. There's a reason why "ingleses piratas" is such a popular insult. There's a reason why "el que no salta es un inglés". Honestly, I think Malvinas is the biggest issue between us and the United Kingdom.
Conversely, 90% of the English people I know barely know about Malvinas and most consider it a small, almost insignificant war. Why would they feel otherwise. They won the war, and a war against a military government, nonetheless.
I'm honestly curious about your experience because it differs drastically from my own.
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My father was in that war, honey. All man in my family was at least in a war. And Im very much aware of all that and way more.
And "el que no salta es un ingles" is more for futbol stuff. And the whole World says that they are pirates, is not our stuff only.
Don't mix futbol with war.
And Malvinas is not what separate us, in fact, is what can unite us, as much between Argentinians as much between UK and Argentina.
Is pretty well known that even after that war Argentina battled alongside UK in the Golfo War.
And yes, British hardly know about the Falklands, they just know about futbol XD-
I don't hold a grudge, I hold a pending subject.
Grudges are signal of sickness, resentment and blindness in actions and choices. I don't like that ideology.
I don't teach grudge and resentment, and much less hate.
I teach history. Because history is what we are and will tell us what will be.
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I hope your father is well. My godfather was in the war, too. But I was not talking about the general population feelings about the war.
Interesting enough, there are no references to anti-English chants before the war. It is a very interesting fact.
I would say that a vast majority of the Argentinian population holds a grudge. Most won't even discuss the historical aspect of the war. Most will agree that Galtieri was a drunkard, but they would not even accept that Malvinas was, in the end, a useless, suicidal war.
I wouldn't say that Malvinas unite us. We have many points in common with the United Kingdom (or England, more specifically) and we have always admired/copy English uses (and French ones). Buenos Aires is a beautiful mix of Anglo-French culture and we used to be very close politically and economically to the UK. But the refusal to participate in WWII and the inexorable progress of the United States in the continent change it all, and we all know how profoundly anti-US our nation is. So, while I think that there are deep bonds between part of our society (the liberal, upper middle class/high class, highly illustrated part) that exceed the mere economic logic, I also think that Malvinas was a deep wound to this relationship and one that is still open.
Are you a History teacher? Cool. I'm a semester away from my degree and I'm working on my thesis right now. What's your field of study?
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I am more into Economic (economic history)stuff. All I know in history is...a hobby. Because teaching is not good in payment. I know, so materialistic I am. The same drawing. I study Busyness Administration, and in my last year.
Mi grandpa is very well, and my father too. They are very admirable people. They are self-made man.
I don't hold a grudge, neither my parents and my grandpa. That doesn't mean they don't keep claiming the islands. Of course, we get angry, but not as angry as we get with our own country's bosses sometimes.
Grudge and resentment is not something I favour, and I don't recommend to feel it. Because it takes to useless discussions and bad choices.
I don't like either when people says that doesn't care about Malvinas, thing I hear sometimes, that takes a delicate nerve on me. Because I care and a lot.
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I don't think it's about what you recommend people to feel but about a simple observation: a good chunk of our society does hold a grudge against the United Kingdom because of the Malvinas war.
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Then you, yourself, don't think it's a light issue?
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I Care, but I don't hold any grudge. Grudge and resentment are characteristic of principles of mental illness (for that reason I don't recommend).
One thing is different than the other, and many people mistakes them often. And no. ITS NOT a light issue, is an important matter.
And since it is an important matter, it must be taken with care and dedication and professionalism, and not with bad feelings and hate.
And that way, we all learn about it and in a near future, the issue would be solved.
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I agree that resentment is a poor way to face life. But the fact remains that the majority of the population holds a grudge regarding Malvinas, something you denied.
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The word is not grudge, is just an important care and sadness.
Some feel just sad, others feel it as a pending subject, others as a lost and others as a symbol of betrayal and failure.
But as I said to the other comment, Argentinians are way more calmer about territory issues compared to UK, because they are way much proud than us, If that is possible.
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I disagree. I think it's a grudge that manifest in all its vitriol every time there's a chance. Like desecrating the Tower.
Argentinians may be less defensive of their territory (and yet Chileans are hated with passion) but you were talking about Malvinas, right?
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"Hate" is a very strong word, take care. And hate in itself is a mental illness. Its something totally...worthless and self-destructive.
I am very insistent on that because I know far well how stupid that feelings can make the people behave, and you know it too. We are in the same country XD.
Remember that my chars are individuals. They respond to their own feelings, and don't represent no one in particular.
Diego has at least 500 years of existence, and he passed many experiences that forged a personality. And well, he has his own personality.
He sort behaves like the diplomacy behaves. And certain stuff are ironic.
I was mostly speaking about diplomacy behaviour.
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Hatred is not a mental illness. It's just an emotion.
I'm not saying a thing about the character, just about your affirmation than Malvinas is not a big issue for Argentinians. It is, as you yourself have mentioned. Even regarding diplomacy, it's still a big issue. I think the only government who did not make a big issue of the islands was Menem's and even then Di Tella was all about "wining the islanders' love". I just... don't think you can minimise the importance of the war in the people's mind.
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I didnt't mean that is not a big issue in THAT sense, don't get me wrong. Is just that to care and resent something are different. We care about it.
But at this point of history is immature to act with grudge and hate.
And yes, hate is an illness: to be angry is an emotion. And as all emotion is bounded to the moment. The hate is constant.
Hate lead you to self-destruction and blindness. And I know that I am a bother saying this so much, but that is because that is why Argentina has so much troubles. Everybody says "I hate this" "I hate that" and seriously, that's so wrong and sick.
Because hate is not excuse for anything.
I aim to work in international relationships, and the Malvinas is my objective. SO, you don't have to think lightly of my words. I am seriously into this topic.
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And this is where I disagree, because I think the care often translates in hatred, in this case.
I don't see how hatred is a mental illness. I have never seen it defined as such in any Psychology book. Hatred is a negative feeling (you are right, not emotion) and can lead to self-destruction, but it's not an alteration of one's mental health.
Argentina's problems don't come from hatred, imho, but from structural economical and social problems that go back to the Conquista.
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Nah, you don't have to blame so far away troubles to something actual. Only If we are not talking about geology...
I have met people with serious cases of hate, they were lot in their own little world and lived in their own reality, pitying themselves and hating the rest: is an illness.
Is something that belongs to this new generation, that teach to hate and have grudges against old stuff, in place of to teach them to learn from them and make things better.
All the bases for to evade that is in the right education.
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I have to disagree. I think the issues we have are basically structural: we need to re-think the way we organise our society in all its levels. We had an excellent education until the mid 60s/70s and yet our nation was chronically corrupt, anti-democratic and economically unstable. Why? Education is only part of the solution, but not all of it, imho.
IDK. I think that some people may have some form of disconnection to reality but I've never seen hatred presented as a mental illness in any of the Psychology courses I've taken /shrug
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Well, Its something you will learn more ahead, and at the same time I hope not. Because I experienced it and it was disgusting XD. They are lost causes.
Education is everything. Because the only thing that the human can do for to make something is "to know".
"The know how" is the base of all the progress.
If you gave fish to a man he will not have hungry for one day. But If you teach him how to fish, he will never be hungry.
Education the on the top of human necessities. There are others. But If you don't sate this one first, to try with the others is worthless.
But we went out of topic.
Anyway, I have a pretty diplomatic way of thinking to this times of life and experiences. Because all must be under control so we all can win a discussions and go home content; or at least that I try.
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Ella no está mezclando Fútbol con una guerra, ella se refiere a que estás confundiendo al otro usuario.
"It never was "bad" you know?- Argentina always is a very "easy going" country when is about such things. Although yes, we mark certain limits. Which ones England never learned to respect."
Te concedo lo de los límites porque sí es cierto (por ejemplo, con la extracción de petróleo en las islas) pero yo no describiría a Argentina como "easy going" cuando se trata de Malvinas. Esto, por supuesto, no tiene nada que ver con el fútbol porque nosotros les ganamos a ellos en el mundial 
Yo he hablado con muchas personas de todo el mundo, y me atrevería a decir que los argentinos (y en menor medida, tal vez los españoles) son los únicos que los llaman piratas.
Pero esto vas más allá de una palabrita inofensiva que les entra por un oído y les sale por el otro a ellos, estoy hablando de argentinos que cada vez que escuchan la palabra "inglés" o "británico" siempre responden con recelo que rencor. Nunca falta un grupo de argentinos que deje comentarios ofensivos (o no tan ofensivos, les sale de adentro) en youtube/DeviantArt/Livejournal/diarios online argentinos en el que las palabras "Las Malvinas son argentinas y punto" o "ingleses ladrones" se repitan en más de un comentario. Y ni te hablo de las cosas que dicen en la calle o hasta mi familia. Y te estoy hablando de gente que ni siquiera fue a la guerra.
Tal vez tu familiares tengan otra experiencia ya que estuvieron en el campo de batalla. Pero su experiencia =/= la opinión popular del argentino promedio.
Yo, en lo personal, no me tomo el tema de Malvinas como un "big issue" y estoy completamente enamorada de la historia/cultura británica (hablo con muchos de ellos, actualmente)). Pero, aún así, percibo lo que el "vox populi" argentino siente o expresa hacia los británicos.
"England is the most touchy one, If I must put the finger on the issue. Since they are quite scandalous and sensible about things that Argentinians consider that are "light" or "the past is passed"."
Ahí es cuando te equivocas, ellos no son para nada sensibles o escandalosos con el tema, al inglés promedio le importa poco y nada el tema de las islas y nunca "salta" de la misma manera que los argentinos siempre y cuando un argentino no los empiece a insultar primero. Y esto lo escuché de la propia boca de los ingleses, según ellos, nosotros somos los más "sensibles" y "escandalosos". Los únicos ingleses que pueden llegarse a sentir amenazados por este tema y, por ende, sensibles, son los habitantes de las islas Malvinas (que a penas superan el número para dejar de ser considerados un pueblo y, de paso, ni si quiera son ingleses per se...la mayoría son descendientes de escoceses y galeses). Y , por supuesto, los argentinos no consideran este tema como "light" o "pasado pisado", sino no estuviéramos reclamando tan insistentemente que nos devuelvan las islas, sino no habría argentinos que saltaran e insultaran ni bien escuchan/leen la palara "inglés. Pucha! Recuerdo que en una página de Facebook dedicada a arquitectura urbana alguien posteó una foto de la Torre de Los Ingleses (torre monumental) y estre los comentarios no podían faltar una larga sarta de insultos contra los ingleses, en un tema que ni siquiera discutía la guerra en sí. ¿Eso te parece a vos tomarselo "light" y no llevar rencores?
"Yes, we do commemorate stuff, but as you can see we don't have any grudge towards English people at all. Although I can't say the same from them to us XD hahahaha."
lol después de haber leído mi argumento, dudo que esta frase tenga algún sentido :\
Repito, los ingleses no saltan a defender su postura en el tema a menos que un argentino comience el debate primero (y eso si el inglés sabe de la existencia de esas islas). Muchos argentinos, por otro lado, ni les hace falta escuchar "Malvinas" o "guerra" para empezar con la sarta de argumentos e insultos fuertes de la nada, sólo con escuchar "inglés" o "ingleses" sin ningún contexto aparente en una oración.
Que haya argentinos que se lo tomen "light" y sean respetuosos, los hay, pero no se si lo habrás notado, pero es muy difícil encontrar a más de uno que te hable de ellos respetuosamente.
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WOW... Me da fiaca leerlo.
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¿El famoso tl;dr?
Para alguien que escribió, y cito, "I teach history. Because history is what we are and will tell us what will be." me parece muy irrespetuoso de tu parte. En especial porque en tus dibujos, las explicaciones y detalles históricos que das son igual de largos. ¿Esperás que las personas lean tus descripciones pero no podés vos leer mi comentario? :\
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Bueno, la cosa es así. Lo digo desde que he hablado con ingleses,y comparación; somos un pan dulce.
Los ingleses son arrebatadamente ARDOROSAMENTE orgullosos de su país, en comparación somos muy "easy going"-
Tenemos muchas similitudes culturales y de personalidad, pero ellos son muy atropellados cuando es cuestiones territoriales- de tal forma que nos supera, aunque sea difícil creer-, puesto que su historia con cosas similares viene desde miles de años anteriores. Mientras que lo nuestro solo desde 1833.
Y bueno, a raíz de todo eso viene la cosa.
Aparte de que tenes que entender que Diego es un individuo con su propia personalidad. Y obviamente no representa a ningún argentino en particular; su personalidad fue desarrollada a través de todo lo que le toco vivir y la forma en que las sobrellevó.
No anda haciendo las inmadureces que muchos argentinos hacen,solo porque ya tiene mas de 500 años de existencia y medio que no da para que se comporte como si no supiese nada.
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Ow! Gente! Yo no hago cosas de Hetalia!
Es como decir que el tipo que hizo el cómic de Afganistan es lo mismo!
Creo que ese es el principal malentendido acá.
Diego tiene su propia personalidad guste o no. No hace nada para complacer a nadie de la audiencia. Tiene aspectos "estereotipados" de entendimiento universal; como comer carne y tomar mate. Pero más allá de eso su personalidad es histórica constituida a través de sus experiencias y como las sobrellevó individualmente.
Todos los Argentinos son diferentes, por lo tanto, el no puede coincidir con todos.
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Easy going...
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Creo que le estas pifiando mal, querida.
Y no entendiste de lo que esta hecho un tan, o no estas en el universo de Hetalia. Porque "Diego" es precisamente TODO, lo bueno y lo malo... si, incluyendo las "inmadureces" de sus hijos, con puteadas y alabanzas. Porque el es toda la ideologias y esta formado de ellas y de la historia con sus pifiadas y aciertos, ya sean cosas populares, de elite, izquierdas, derechos, centros y travesaños. Todo.
Si el es selectivo, lamento informarte que no es Argentina.
Ah, por cierto. No son personas. Son naciones.
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jajaja, ....owww... Nunca puedo ser fiaca, no?---
Ok... voy a hacerlo. Pero solo esta vez.....
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Exactamente. El insulto "pirata" no se basa en la historia de la navegación inglesa, sino en el tema de Malvinas. Y es un indulto muy tipico, muy español/argentino, y muy cargado de resentimiento.
Yo estoy lejos del nacionalismo (de hecho, me dedico a la historia inglesa, lol) pero puedo decir, sin lugar a dudas, que Malvinas es EL tema de conflicto. Vos hablas de la Torre de Los Ingleses: hasta no hace mucho, alguien habia puesto un grafitti que decia "piratas putos". Asi, nada que ver con nada, un insulto en una torre que nada tiene que ver con Malvinas. Ni hablar del odio visceral que apareció en algunos grupos en el casamiento del Principe William.
No sé, a mi me parece bien claro que Malvinas es un tema muy heavy de nuestro lado y para nada importante del de ellos. Y es logico: una guerra contra un pais bastante impotente (y en medio de una dictadura) por unas islitas en el fin del mundo no es un hecho de gran relevancia en la historia militar británica, más aún cuando ganaron. Para nosotros, que tuvimos menos de diez guerras en toda nuestra historia, fue un hecho enorme.
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Two sides of a story and all does that.
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They are more mad because of the FIFA world cup than anything else XD
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That makes sense. Here's to more good stuff.
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Aii este es uno de los dibujos más lindos que hiciste hasta ahoraa!! ♥
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Gigi es tan linda! me la quiero llevar a casa y hacerl mi hermanita!
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