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kitsunescythe In reply to KClaws [2014-03-27 23:10:28 +0000 UTC]

Well, I don't think her "find someone like me" was meant to be taken so literally. I think she meant "find someone who loves you as much as I do," which would be Hinata. Also, Kishi has shown Sakura still loves Sasuke, and I don't know why anyone would make their main character, the hero, end up being someone's second choice, which is exactly what he'd be for Sakura.

But you're right, Kishi really needs to make up his mind, but I think he isn't just to troll us all.

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KClaws In reply to kitsunescythe [2014-03-28 10:21:23 +0000 UTC]

Interesting.

But we've seen the similarities between Kushina and Sakura. Both had been teased for something they couldn't control, got complimented by a love interest because of it, both have a similar shade of color, both have unusual speech patterns, and both have a temper. And if that wasn't what Kishi was going for, then why in the world did he have Minato compare Sakura to his wife?

Sakura's feelings for Naruto may be up for debate; but there is no denying that Naruto is one of the most important people in the world to Sakura right now, even if the relationship is platonic at this point in time. She's comfortable with his company, she wants to keep him safe, tried to take the burden of rescuing Sasuke from him twice (even if it meant destroying whatever bond they shared), and is right now pushing herself to the breaking point just to keep him alive. Those sound like strong actions of love to me, even if she hasn't realized it yet.

And if Naruto can't end up with Sakura because he'd be her second choice, then Hinata can't end up with Naruto because she'd be HIS second choice. It's not about who should be with who because of first vs second choice; it's about how the two people develop over time. If Sakura ends up with Naruto, it won't be because of "Well, Sasuke dumped me, so I guess I'm stuck with you." It will be because over the time she spent, fought with and helped him that she grows to love him instead and will not regret her decision. And just because she loves Sasuke now doesn't mean she can't change her mind later (and yes, the same does apply to Naruto and even Hinata). Really, there are no "rules" on how two people in fiction should get together. What's most important to me is how it's written with the plot.

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kitsunescythe In reply to KClaws [2014-03-28 19:44:55 +0000 UTC]

You make valid points, even if I disagree with the pairing. To me, Sakura and Naruto are more like brother and sister, and Hinata loved Naruto first, was the only one who never made fun of him, and was the first one to ever tell him "I love you." So unless Kishi kills her off, which he's had plenty of opportunity to do so, it would be outrageously unfair for her to just be left in the background to watch Sakura and Naruto together. And before you say it, I know life isn't fair, but this isn't real life and authors usually aren't that horrible to any of their characters (not the good guys anyway). And what unusual speech pattern does Sakura have? Hinata has an unusual speech pattern as well, if you'll recall (stuttering).

I think Minato's comment could just be Kishi leaving it up in the air again. The man is trolling everyone involved in the shipping war. If you want to make comparisons, look at it this way: numerous people have pointed out that Naruto has his mother's personality, so that being the case, why would his parents want him to end up with someone like her? Wouldn't someone like Minato make more sense for Naruto? And Hinata is like Minato in the sense that she stalked Naruto like Minato stalked Kushina, never made fun of Naruto just like Minato never made fun of Kushina, and she saved Naruto just like Minato saved Kushina.

And as for the second choice thing, Hinata wouldn't necessarily be Naruto's. Remember, the guy is not all that experienced with any form of love, which is what makes me wonder how he can even claim to love Sakura. He's never known a parent's love, has been hated most of his life, and even when he got friends that were pretty much family to him, no one ever said "I love you" to him before. So in my opinion, the guy probably doesn't really know what his feelings are, and from what we've seen, he doesn't really seem to take the time to think it over.

But in the end, what does it matter? It's just fiction. I just think Kishi's screwing with anyone who remotely cares about who Naruto is paired with. And if he's not trying to troll anyone, then it's because he's just not very good at developing romance sub-plots.

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KClaws In reply to kitsunescythe [2014-03-30 04:02:19 +0000 UTC]

Even if they don't get together, Naruto and Sakura's relationship does not scream "sibling like" to me. I think that more accurately describes Ino's relationship with Shikamaru and Chouji. Sakura hugging Naruto (more specifically, the WAY she did), then making a love confession (even if it was a lie) did not look like the actions of a woman interacting with her "brother" to me.

And quite frankly, I think Kishi has been cruel to Hinata in terms of getting with Naruto. After she confessed and bought him some time ( I wouldn't call it a rescue personally) to fight Pain, Naruto didn't even check up on her (yes, Katsuya informed him she was alive, but how could he have known that Sakura would heal her), and 100+ chapters later, says nothing about her feelings towards him, just that she's strong in her own way. If anything, I'd say Naruto's been kind of a jerk to Hinata. But would it really be so bad if she didn't get together to Naruto? I get that people would feel bad for her, but do you really think her life would be ruined if she never got together with him? Kishi might do it either to portray her as a tragic heroine, or to help her move on, which in my mind is a positive thing. And authors not treating their "good" characters badly/cruelly is simply not true; some people just don't have a happy ending, and most authors recognize that. Almost every character Kishi himself has created had some kind of personal tragedy, and not getting together with your first love in the series sounds like doesn't sound like much of one provided the said character can move on.

Sakura says "Shannaro!" much like Naruto says "Dattebayo". That's what I was referring to.

Minato=Hinata was made more for the anime, so I'd treat that with a grain of salt. Even then, that does not scream "STALKING" to me (to be honest, I don't think Hinata's behavior towards Naruto is stalking either; she's usually just there at the right time). As far as I know, Minato was probably just hanging out on that tree before he noticed her. 

Kushina wanted Naruto to find a girl like her because she herself would never be able to love, take care of, and guide Naruto had she survived. By that token, she also wanted someone who wasn't afraid to call Naruto out if he was acting idiotic. That's my view at least. In a way, she wished for Naruto to meet someone like her he could in a way experience the bond he would have with his mother. That, and Kushina would just feel better if someone similar to her could keep an eye on him. It may not make sense to you, but it's what Kushina wanted. Naruto's personality is certainly similar to Kushina's...and Kishi has spent the much time showing that Sakura is more like Naruto than she cares to admit. 

And Minato's comment is not Kishi trolling. Having Sakura think of Sasuke after turning that one guy down, that's trolling. Naruto holding Hinata's hand not as an act of affection, but to transfer chakra and to do the same to members of both sexes, that's trolling. Minato saying Sakura reminds him of Kushina (her temper, at least) when it's been established what kind of girl she wanted Naruto to find...that's meant to lead to something deeper. It may not ultimately lead to them getting married, but whatever does happen between them, that scene will be relevent.

So, Naruto doesn't know what love is? That's different from person to person. Naruto despite his tragic beginnings, is a compassionate and forgiving character who can easily relate to others. He learns from making friends and interacting with people. Throughout his time with Sakura, he has gotten to know her and genuinely admire her (when before it was just a standard crush), as she did him and both are willing to make sacrifices to protect the other even if it means they never be able to have the other's love in return. It's not that much different from most couples; it's all about spending time and getting to know one another. It parallels the feelings Obito had for Rin, and how Jirayia felt about Tsunade. One could say that Hinata doesn't understand true love as well if we have to go this route; though she always admired Naruto from afar, she never reached out to him when she had numerous opportunities to do so, took every fiber of her being just to talk to him, and during the current arc with fighting Tobi and Madara, it was ALL ABOUT HER BEING WITH HIM. Sakura may not have started off on the best of terms with him, but she never went out of her way to purposefully hurt him; she was too busy being bullied herself, and when Naruto and Sasuke sparred during their academy days, Sakura was the only one who didn't cheer for Sasuke (can't remember Hinata being there), and eventually learned to rely on him, cheer him on, keep him company not because she feels sorry for him but because she likes being with him, and ever since learning of the burden he carries as a jinchuriki, wants nothing more than to HELP him.

Yeah, it's a work of fiction. But the fact that so many people care about the characters like this shows just how well created they are. And if the sub-plot of NaruSaku's (Potential) romance isn't a good sub-plot, you've got to show me the others, cause those will blow my mind. Even if he doesn't put them together, the time they spent together as teammates will not have been for naught and was a beautiful thing in of itself. But this isn't the type of story without a pairing when you keep talking about generations, growing up and bonds, as well as never having to be alone again. Just on those points, you kind of have to make someone hook up with someone.

I'm sorry if this came off as aggressive; I tend to get excited when I'm doing rebuttals, and I know on this post I'm preaching to a completely different choir than mine. All that replied to me have been civil, and I hope you all recognize all this as passionate, not angry (especially since my main point was how even official translations get it wrong sometimes). I do understand the appeal of NaruHina; for me it's more about what makes more sense in the context of the story as opposed to what groups of fans (including me) WANT to happen. 

And if nothing else, I'm glad this didn't descend into Sakura bashing.

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kitsunescythe In reply to KClaws [2014-03-31 00:25:33 +0000 UTC]

Wow. Um, no I don't think you came off as angry, but honestly, I didn't read through everything you wrote there. Basically, I get your point is you want Sakura for Naruto. That's fine; to each his own. I still want NaruHina to happen, and you won't change my mind on that any more than I'll change yours on NaruSaku.
There are rebuttals to just about every point you made, such as Naruto didn't have to hold Hinata's hand to do a chakra transfer, and that it could still be a sign of affection even if it had a practical purpose as well. Also, I didn't see anything romantic about when Sakura hugged Naruto if you're meaning the hug she gave him after he came back from dealing with Pain. That just seemed like she was really relieved to see her friend was okay and was really happy/proud of him that he defeated Pain. And the only reason she made that confession was to make Naruto give up on Sasuke and come home, and she could've gone about that in a better way other than lying to him and trying to use his emotions to make him do what she wanted. And why couldn't she kill Sasuke? Cuz she still loves him. Why did she think of Sasuke when that one guy asked her out? Cuz she still loves him. Honestly, I don't think Kishi develops romance very well. For example, I thought that after Sasuke left the village and Naruto saw how much Sakura cared about Sasuke and wanted him back, Naruto finally understood that she wasn't going to go for him and he'd move on. But then no, he still keeps going for Sakura later. Really, I don't like NaruSaku just because I think Naruto's had enough crap in his life without ending up with a woman who smacks him around and insults him whenever he happens to make a stupid comment. There are ways of calling someone out when they're being stupid other than hitting and insulting them. Such as when Hinata slaps Naruto, for instance. And I know a slap is technically a hit, but really, if you've read the manga, then you know she didn't hit hard enough to hurt, just to get his attention.
So anyway, I could make other points, but as I've said, this is all fiction and whoever Kishi puts Naruto with (if anyone) is ultimately his decision. So I don't really want to go on with this. You and I will just have to agree to disagree. You like NaruSaku, and I can't stand the idea. I like NaruHina, and you probably feel the same way about it that I do about NaruSaku. Right? Right.
And I hope I don't sound angry either cuz I'm not. I just don't feel like continuing this discussion, especially when neither one of us will change our minds on the subject. But yeah, I'd like to thank you for not Hinata bashing either. I don't hate Sakura. I just don't like her for Naruto. End of story.

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derth44 In reply to baimin [2013-08-08 01:30:44 +0000 UTC]

well Kushina is bat-shit insane so I wouldn't follower her advice even if it was good.

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Koshej In reply to Mon10 [2013-07-26 10:14:27 +0000 UTC]

Here's MY view on the whole NH-vs-NS battle:

It's the only shipping war so far that I'm aware of, that actually HAS real-life implications to it.

Why?

Cause NaruHina is based on character growth and the value of true love (and same goes for SasuSaku from Sakura's side) - but NaruSaku is played out in a truly childish way, based on a mere school crush.

While even the latter might happen in real life, only the former actually has moral lessons to it.

NaruSaku DOESN'T. Or even a WRONG one (beat your guy and he'll be yours, or keep getting beaten and she'll finally love you one day).

NaruHina is rather based on "true love is based on selflessness, when you are ready to sacrifice everything, even your very life, for the one you truly love". It doesn't have to be so extreme, but it definitely debunks egotism as a "love" feature, and defines "patience in love" to be different from ignoring abuse (quite practical in those unfortunate families where one abuses another, but the other keeps thinking it's "love").

To be short:

NaruHina teaches you to GIVE, while NaruSaku only teaches you to SUFFER.

I prefer to base love/marriage on the FORMER.

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Mon10 In reply to Koshej [2013-07-27 09:33:06 +0000 UTC]

Nobody's told me that before and I've to admit that is quite intersting !

I agree with your analysis, almost in any point.
As you said it it, it's difficult to understand how you can fall in love with someone who kick you all the day. But couldn't the strenght be a sort of quality for a girl ? Because Sakura's not only physically strong she also has a strong spirit ; and their relationship seems to be a little bit like the MinaKushi's one.
However, you score a point : the relationship between Naruto and Sakura seems to not have evolved a lot since the begining of the manga. It seems to prove that they can't be more than friends.

Hinata changed a lot and she loves Naruto for what he is. Be with her could be more pleasant for him, their couple life would be softer and full of love. A little bit too romantic and platonic to me but perfect for Naruto, for sure !
And you're absolutely right saying "beat your guy and he'll be yours, or keep getting beaten and she'll finally love you one day" : it's totaly absurd ! (but I like the form, it was funny Cx ).
Then, NaruHina seems to be more likely for the manga's end and such better for our hero !

But, I desagree with you about SasuSaku and, if you also want too, I would like to discuss about it.
To my eyes (and It's only an opinion), Sakura fell in love with Sasuke when they were younger only for his appearance and his dark side (...which makes girls totally mad about boys ! xD ). I think, it's only a light love of prebubescent teenager, a flower girl ; there are no real feelings (just as NaruSaku in fact).
Don't you think ?

Now, I've an other question. I don't read a lot of manga : do you think the feelings are as developed in shonen ?

To finish, even if NaruHina will happened, I think it's pity and very stupid that people insult NaruSaku drawings (and vice versa). Draw what we like doesn't mean that we think it's the true. What's more, DA is there to comment art, not to fight for opinions.
When we don't like the subject of a work, we can comment the quality of the drawing (coulors, lines, perspective, shadows, etc.) or simply go his way.
I'm upset when NaruSaku fans are barking on NaruHina piece without speaking about the work and conversely.

Posts as yours are well to debate ! And intelligent/civilized debates are very interesting ...But not on the drawings, I think, because it ask time and energy to be created and these debates don't help to improve.

Anyway, I'm glad to discuss with you, it's enough pleasant to share our points of view ! Thanks ! ^u^

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Koshej In reply to Mon10 [2013-07-27 20:25:49 +0000 UTC]

And thank YOU as well!

I'm happy that you agree about my NH points.

As of SS, I'm not much into it actually, though it does resemble VegetaBulma immensely.

Which is why I support it, even though I personally would rather have someone like Lee for Sakura - he's much nicer.

But Sakura still clearly shows her love for Sasuke (regardless of her reasons), so this and the above comparison make me choose SS, despite ot really liking it as a pairing.

Yes, I base my pairings on actual manga quotes/thoughts/events, NOT my personal likes (or I'd root for LS, which I still don't) - which is very probably NOT the case in the majority of NS fans...

Thanks for the discussion, really.

I only react (as in, burst out) on HATE postings, I actually liked a few NS pics that weren't assaulting NH/H.

But those are very rare recently, while the hate spreads awfully...

Ah, whatever...

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derth44 In reply to KuramasRage [2013-08-08 01:35:59 +0000 UTC]

well Hinata isn't strange she's just terminally shy. Nothing weird about that but wallflowers grow old fast. On the other hand Kushina is insane so her opinion on her son's choice in women can otherwise be disregarded. She's an Uzimaki, she's crazy like that.

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amandas-sketches In reply to JSH-ART [2013-07-24 14:56:38 +0000 UTC]

It is very controversial. 

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Koshej In reply to JSH-ART [2013-07-24 07:30:15 +0000 UTC]

Um, you do remember WHO Naruto had a SCHOOL crush on?

(Hint: NOT Hinata.)

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JSH-ART In reply to Koshej [2013-07-26 06:34:32 +0000 UTC]

Yes, but again she said and I quote: "The first girl that comes 'YOUR' way" not Naruto going 'HER' way, with Naruto, Kishi does love these type of brain teasing, but you can look at it either way.

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Koshej In reply to JSH-ART [2013-07-26 10:04:51 +0000 UTC]

Kishi IS Kakashi.

Nuff said.

You FAIL.

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JSH-ART In reply to Koshej [2013-07-26 14:11:33 +0000 UTC]

well that's mature, you just turned a rational discussion into a negative blah, I'm just saying it's iridescent, but that's how Kishi's manga is like, he throws you one blunt bone and then almost an invisible one, unless Kishi is very blunt about everything, which by this point is unlikely with all these mind boggling twists, then you must read the material in a way to see through the words and not just at them. Emotions between characters in Naruto is a perfect example, in the beginning Naruto and Sasuke seemed like enemy rivals when in fact they were like best friends, but at first you can't notice until they're tagged against eachother in training, when they're pitted against each other it shows. I'm just saying Kishi, from fact, likes to layer his manga with enigma, we can only guess and assume.

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Koshej In reply to JSH-ART [2013-07-26 14:24:37 +0000 UTC]

Exactly WHY I said Kishi is Kakashi, he's all about "underneath the underneath".

I wasn't trolling, rather pointing out this fun fact.

Nice that you agree with it.

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JSH-ART In reply to Koshej [2013-07-26 14:27:18 +0000 UTC]

Oh, sorry...

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Koshej In reply to JSH-ART [2013-07-26 14:50:35 +0000 UTC]

No prob.

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derth44 In reply to thesage2600 [2013-08-08 01:39:03 +0000 UTC]

ehhh on one hand you have a stalker (Hinata) and on your other hand you have a women who destroys street corners with her fist (Sakura) so take your pick.

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Koshej In reply to thesage2600 [2013-07-24 07:31:47 +0000 UTC]

615 says otherwise.

"Thanks for being BY MY SIDE", stalker or not.

And I won't even start the whole "Hinata is NOT a stalker" thing...

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VergilX In reply to thesage2600 [2013-07-24 05:35:22 +0000 UTC]

Hinata is not a stalker! Manga chapter please and not filler episode!

What Pierrot do in fillers are never happened in canon manga! So good that people counts fillers too. Of course, I hate it in both shippingers and anti-hinata shippingers, who uses fillers and not canon manga chapters.

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yuureiburu In reply to VergilX [2013-07-25 06:34:31 +0000 UTC]

Yes, Hinata is not a stalker.

She was a stalker.

Lol, I sounded like I really give a shit about straight pairings, haha xD

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thesage2600 In reply to VergilX [2013-07-24 05:39:41 +0000 UTC]

Chapter 238 before Naruto leaves for his training trip with Jiraiya.

Also, she is shown constantly to watch Naruto when he trains while hiding behind walls and tress in canon. That is stalking.

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Koshej In reply to thesage2600 [2013-07-24 07:32:43 +0000 UTC]

Canon MANGA?

You only mentioned ONE chapter, are there more?

Do LIST.

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thesage2600 In reply to Koshej [2013-07-24 09:01:59 +0000 UTC]

Yes, canon manga. Another chapter is...Oh, whatever chapter Hinata confessed and I believe when they talked before his fight with Neji (I can't look it up right now, will later...).

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Koshej In reply to thesage2600 [2013-07-24 10:52:34 +0000 UTC]

www.mangapanda.com/93-442-11/n...

OK, ONE found. Though she's not actually HIDING, more like "watching from nearby".

www.mangapanda.com/93-103-8/na...

Wrong example. HE found HER. Check the middle left panel - Hinata is facing the training post, while Naruto is surprised by seeing her there. And makes HER "eep" by startling.

ANY MORE?

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Sonamy-Channel In reply to thesage2600 [2013-07-24 07:31:04 +0000 UTC]

You obviously never read chapter 615 where Naruto thanked and acknowledge Hinata who he saw was always at his side the whole time. That's not something Sakura was complimented about and watching Naruto SD: Rock Lee no Seishun Full-Power Ninden and Fillers don't count since they're not canon. And at no time in the manga was Hinata called a stalker. her watching Naruto while in class and in public was her inspiration to become stronger and change herself when she saw all the burdens and problems he stood up against when no one believed in him. That's not something a stalker would do.

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Koshej In reply to Sonamy-Channel [2013-07-24 16:28:46 +0000 UTC]

Two major points I AGREE with:

1. Hinata was never CALLED a stalker in-canon.

2. Stalkers do BAD stuff for their "victims", which obviously isn't true about Hinata - quite the contrary, multiple times.

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thesage2600 In reply to Sonamy-Channel [2013-07-24 09:07:40 +0000 UTC]

That is exactly what a stalker would do! I swear you people don't know what stalkers are...

Anyway, nice of you to point out in 615 the way he thinks her and then proceeds to ignore her the rest of the time. And, since you people use the "he likes a girl who abuses him" excuse as a reason against NaruSaku, NaruHina is him "liking a girl who watched his every move, even his private training to inspire herself because she was too gutless to go out there and try and help him, prefering the inspiration his many failures and tenacity over him actually being by his side to prevent said failures until she felt good enough about herself."

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Sonamy-Channel In reply to thesage2600 [2013-07-25 01:06:56 +0000 UTC]

Stalker (dictionary definition): a person who harasses another person, as a former lover, a famous person, etc., in an aggressive, often threatening and illegal manner; a person who pursues someone persistently and sometimes attack the person with whom one is obsessed.

This doesn't not define Hinata in the manga as she never did any of these things. If she did, Kishimoto, the creator of the manga, would have said so. Rather, he had Naruto acknowledge how Hinata had always been at his side and that his life was no longer his own because of that.

Sakura never had feelings for Naruto even as now. When Yondaime teased him about the idea of Sakura being his girlfriend, Sakura didn't blush once. Instead she got violent on Naruto in front of Yondaime, her teammate she was suppose to heal mind you. Minato thinking about how Sakura's violent temper reminds him of Kushina is not a basis to say that NaruSaku is canon. The man was dead for over 16 years and he doesn't know Sakura at all just from a first impression. And right after that, the subject never came back up again. Hinata later stated how she wants to stay at Naruto's side forever and never once did Sakura say that. Instead Sakura was question by Sai about her feelings for Sasuke right after Sasuke's arrival in the battlefield.

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Koshej In reply to Sonamy-Channel [2013-07-25 10:50:28 +0000 UTC]

Yup, the only stalker-Hinata we ever saw, was in SD, and even that was in a MOVIE (aka inside fanfiction), not as an actual SD event.

Whereas even SD is replete with NaruHina moments, Hinata saving Naruto, and Neji thinking of a NaruHina wedding.

Minato's opinion never mattered to begin with, exactly due to what you said - being DEAD.

Also, the in-seal Minato didn't mention the pairing topic either.

So the only thing that got confirmed was that Sakura and Kushina both had temper problems.

Minato DIDN'T say: Oh, son, what a nice GIRLFRIEND you have - she reminds me of MY WIFE.

He merely said that Sakura reminds him of Kushina - which is pretty obvious anyways.

Not that Minato's or Kushina's opinions actually matter in Naruto's love life - they were DEAD for 99% of his life.

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Sonamy-Channel In reply to Koshej [2013-07-26 19:10:45 +0000 UTC]

Tell this to the hardcore NaruSaku fan that are trying to ride that whole scene hard. C'mon, Kishimoto made a cover featuring Naruto and Hinata holding hands and looking at each other with everyone else having their backs towards them as everyone but the two of them were facing the Juubi.

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Koshej In reply to Sonamy-Channel [2013-07-27 20:09:05 +0000 UTC]

I do and then I do again, and again, and again...

No use - for THEM (those hardcore ones, of course) it's a 100% confirmation of NaruSaku by Naruto's parents.

So, until we get a REAL NaruHina moment (probably Naruto actually saying he loves Hinata), it will "count" forever.

That's what I pretty much hate about those hardcore NSers - they are hard-set on the premise that NS is already canon, so they ignore and bitch-troll any proofs that negate it.

Which most of the time also leads them to attack Hinata, cause she obviously is a viable rival for Sakura, so she must be shown in the worst light ever - usually being FALSE, of course.

Sure, Sakura-hating is guilty of the sme, but I objectively (as much as it can be called so in this case) see way more CANON faults in Sakura than in Hinata.

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Sonamy-Channel In reply to Koshej [2013-07-28 03:21:18 +0000 UTC]

Many NaruSaku fans, esp. the hardcore ones, will want to negate any proof or scenes of featuring NaruHina in a prime moment when it actually counted.

Example, Neji's death: Obito nearly broke Naruto's spirit and zeal to fight after Neji's self sacrifice and his manipulation. Hinata was the one that saved him, though she had to literally slap him to do so but even that had a purpose in showing character development and how much Hinata had grown and matured from the shy, timid and confident-less  girl she was. There was no romance in that scene but the NaruHina moment in that event spoke volumes in how Naruto acknowledge Hinata for always being at his side.

That acknowledge moment was never given to Sakura but to the NSers NaruSaku is canon because Minato made a joke through a question if Sakura was his son's girlfriend and Naruto being Naruto gave a dumb insincere reply to his dead father resulting in Sakura violent temper.

What a random ninja wanted to tell Sakura that he was attracted to her and wanted give her a love note not knowing whether or not he survive the war, Sakura thanked him and turned him down saying that she's in love with someone else and a vision of Sasuke appeared, not Naruto, but to the NSers, NaruSaku is canon.

When Pain attacked and demolished Konoha, killing many and wounding hundreds to thousands, Naruto was angry and fought back against Pain, the man who killed Jiraiya, Kakashi though indirectly because he died of chakra exhaustion and later he killed Shizune. He killed Pa and injured the other toads, Naruto dealt with that. When Pain wounded Hinata however, Naruto flipped out and went 6 Tails, then jumped to 8 Tails and finally je reached 9 Tails. Naruto said so himself that when he saw Hinata get hurt he lost it and bonded his heart with Kyuubi's hate wanting revenge against Pain for hurting her. Mind you, after everything else Pain did before that point Naruto maintained control, but when Hinata got hurt by Pain, a line was crossed and Naruto went berserk. But in spite of all this, NaruSaku is canon to the NSers.

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Koshej In reply to Sonamy-Channel [2013-07-28 08:05:40 +0000 UTC]

Well, to be honest, all of that is only a counter to (of course, employed by NSers) "Naruto doesn't CARE for Hinata" - it still doesn't show that he LOVES her.

Still, NH-LOVE has chances, and those grow bigger with time. NH-CARE never even was a question, as far back as Exams.

NS-LOVE rather had chances pre-Pain, but those diminish with time, especially clearly shown in Sakura's reaction in 631 - she hasn't changed a bit on that grounds. NS-CARE eventually happened aroud Shippuden or something, but it still is no proof for NS-LOVE.

The major stupidity of the shippers, is to claim that CARE=LOVE (for both sides).

But it's clear that NH-CARE has big chances to grow into NH-LOVE, while NS-CARE shows no signs of this ever happening so far.

Which really makes NSers into dumb shippers, rude saying or otherwise.

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Sonamy-Channel In reply to Koshej [2013-07-28 14:16:37 +0000 UTC]

NSers will try to use filler episodes that aren't canon to the manga as leverage to support their stand on NaruSaku. They often use the non-canon filler episode featuring Shizuka, a non-canon character, to say that Naruto himself said that he's in love with Sakura even though Naruto never said that. If Kishimoto made the book cover showing Naruto holding Sakura's hand instead of Hinata's, many would right there say that NaruSaku is officially canon. But Kishimoto never did that.

Hell, even in the RTN poster, Kishimoto drew Hinata and Naruto together showing their interactions from both sides of the two universes, though RTN Hinata gave everyone else the finger who thought otherwise of her love for Naruto (Menma). That was the first movie written and directed by Kishimoto himself and even he showed the idea of Sakura saying she'll go on a date with Naruto was a farce because all she did was pull and drag harshly him by the ear while venting her anger after an argument she got into with her parents. And to add salt to the burn she still preferred Sasuke's company over Naruto's saying that if Sasuke was here with her instead of Naruto he'd have understood her. But to NSers, NaruSaku is canon because Minato saw that Sakura has violent anger management issues like Kushina.

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Koshej In reply to Sonamy-Channel [2013-07-28 14:28:36 +0000 UTC]

Worse, Sakura wasn't even shown in the whole chakra-sharing process.

She was LATER shown being Kyuubified as well, which kinda made sense after all (EVERYONE was) - but this was so matter-of-factly, it was actually funny.

The whole LONG moment (spanning a few chapters) was about Naruto and HINATA, not SAKURA - which is why SAKURA wasn't even shown at all.

And yes, Minato compared them based on their NEGATIVE qualities, which is one way to NOT support NaruSaku.

RTN was quite NaruHina (Hina=>Naru) as well, and NOT NaruSaku (not more Naru=>Saku than always, and NO Saku=>Naru at all).

We even had Saku=>Sasu moments, despite Sasuke being a flirt and not being exclusively with Sakura, SHE still wanted him to be so and was upset whe he wasn't.

Sakura never said anything about her supposed love for Naruto to ANYONE, at ANY TIME during the whole movie.

In the end, it didn't bring NaruSaku even an inch closer to becoming canon, and same goes for 631 actually.

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Sonamy-Channel In reply to Koshej [2013-07-28 23:25:13 +0000 UTC]

All the movie did was support NaruHina even more because in both worlds, illusion and real, Hinata still loves Naruto (Menma). Her love is genuine and not some obsession or stalking crush like many like to demean her as. The only difference was that RTN Hinata was more assertive in what she wants and she wouldn't stand for rivals for Naruto's (Menma's) affections.

Kiba told Naruto not to act like a tough guy just because Hinata arrived on the battlefield to help against Madara, Obito and Juubi. He singled Hinata out because of what Naruto was doing and who he was trying to impress, and it wasn't Sakura. There was so many NaruHina moments, some of them epic, throughout the war and none those kind of moments took place between Naruto and Sakura. But some said that Naruto acknowledged Sakura first because he told her to heal Kakashi. Yeah, being instructed to heal their team captain has volumes of romance between teammates. Hinata was ready to die to protect Naruto and at no time did Sakura ever so herself ready and willing to die to protect Naruto because NaruSaku is canon.

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Koshej In reply to Sonamy-Channel [2013-07-28 23:36:07 +0000 UTC]

Nothing new.

And no one knew.

(*Fool ya fool!*)

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Koshej In reply to thesage2600 [2013-07-24 16:33:29 +0000 UTC]

Point number TWO:

Where was Sakura AT ALL?

Hinata at least WATCHED him - even if she benefited from it herself.

Sakura was like in 616/617 - NON-EXISTENT.

Or maybe she was training in Kamuiland???

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Koshej In reply to thesage2600 [2013-07-24 16:30:53 +0000 UTC]

Fanfiction much?

Check out my links above.

Training in a forest ISN'T a PRIVATE activity.

Like someone said, DON'T confuse CANON with SD.

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