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Siryeehaw [2024-05-01 01:49:11 +0000 UTC]
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BigMt26 [2023-01-29 04:09:08 +0000 UTC]
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icelordcryo [2018-11-07 13:13:15 +0000 UTC]
It would be nice to have a Legend or Key. What do all those swastikas, hammer & sickles, and Islamic moons mean? Major battles? Rebellions?
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MaddKossack115 [2018-10-11 03:16:35 +0000 UTC]
Hey! I'm definitely late to the party on this, but to explain why the "Oil Wars" flared up, I think the explanation is that only the most advanced superpowers (namely America, and possibly China) were the ones to use nuclear power to augment their energy demands, and the reason the rest of the world collapsed (first the Middle East, and then the European Commonwealth, presumably with Africa, Australasia, and South America collapsing in roughly the same time period) was that they did not have nearly enough nuclear reactors to supply their entire populations - and there's also the implication that the primary use of nuclear power was military (both in power weapons of war and the obvious nukes) to ram home the "War Never Changes" message.
Sources (two admittedly Fanon, but both explaining how nuclear power was a "recent" development for only the most advanced nations on Earth, and virtually non-existent in the non-superpower nations prior to them collapsing into atomic destruction):
* The Resource Wars Timeline (fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Resourc… ) which explains how the seeds of the American-Chinese war were laid by American spies sabotaging Chinese efforts to tap offshore oil in the Pacific (eventually leading to the establishment of the Enclave Oil Rig), which would result in China eventually retaliating with the invasion of Alaska - something to keep in mind also is the official Timeline (specifically the year 2049, when Mass Fusion, the first company responsible for fusion reactors, was founded: fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Timelin… ), and how close it was to the start of the Resource Wars in the 2050s (it'll come later in explaining my third source).
* Fallout Lore, Season 1, Prologue - The Great War (www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvqm_p… ): Timestamp cutting to beginning of Resource Wars is here (youtu.be/nvqm_pPD-aQ?t=291 ), which explains how the nations of the Middle East used their nuclear stockpiles to "settle old scores" instead of establish their own nuclear energy programs (which is semi-established in canon, as the Resource Wars had a (presumably terrorist) nuking of Tel Aviv "Like an exclamation mark on the end of a very bad year"), and how the European Commonwealth completely Balkanized into in-fighting over the oil/uranium deposits within their own borders.
* The Storyteller Season 4, Episode 1 - Mass Fusion (www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSP667… ): The parts cutting to Mass Fusion begin at this timestamp if you want to skip ahead (youtu.be/kSP667WjyOs?t=452 ), but this explains how A) fusion reactors (and very leaky and highly radioactive ones at that) were only created in the USA a mere decade before the Resource Wars began (with the first clean fusion plants, meant purely for military use, coming in the 2070s just before the nukes dropped), meaning China and Russia would only be able to develop them either a few years before the Resource Wars, or sometime mid-war (leaving the Middle East and European Commonwealth to completely collapse to in-fighting before they could develop fusion reactors of their own).
As a final sidenote, I do like the John Eden Easter Egg (perhaps as the template for the John Henry Eden AI, after it was granted powers of President (or "President", assuming the real heart of Enclave Power is still in Chicago, and JHE was the deluded leader of a splinter-faction limited to the Capital Wasteland) when some survivors of the Enclave Oil Rig's destruction made their way to Raven Rock.
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Kaipi1988 [2018-08-14 20:45:21 +0000 UTC]
Hi! This is a beautiful map. Probably the best pre-war Fallout map I've seen yet. I think I can help with the explanation toward their nuclear technology along with their extreme need for oil. The Atomic age didn't actually start until late 21st century. I believe it was around 2065 that fusion was discovered by accident by the United States military and that started the Atomic age in which America went through its golden years with seemingly limitless energy. Private industry commercialized this for the Americans and the US was living the dream before the bombs fell. However, they didn't share this technology with the rest of the world. The US government allowed the technology to be sold by only select American companies and in turn the companies were able to charge a massive amount of money across the seas for things like fusion powered cars or fusion power plants. Considering most of the world was very poor due to the resource wars, the dwindling oil supply, radiation and other issues, pretty much no other nation was able to afford the technology in mass like the US was. By refusing to share this technology and refusing to share its last source of oil, the US set the pretext for the Great War and its golden age lasted only about a decade before the end of the world came. However, even with fusion technology, some things require oil and there still has yet to be a substitute for it. For instance, oil is the best lubricant on Earth for machinery and other things. It is also required in order to make plastics and is used even in modern day computer technology. Fusion tech probably could have saved the entire world had the US been willing to share it, but there still would have been a need for oil. Even then though, the US was investing in planetary exploration and had the US used the fusion tech to continue this adventure, new sources of oil such as the moon Titan would have made the US very rich and in the end the world's resource scarcity would have transformed into an abundance for those nations that survived the wars and famines. But... that is simply what could have been had different decisions been made.
Anyway, I love your map and it's awesome that you color coded it in regards to allies, territories and occupations as well as political affiliations.
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asqwerty3345 [2018-07-17 20:06:02 +0000 UTC]
This is one of the coolest fallout related things i've ever seen.
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erickrw5 [2018-04-30 01:20:01 +0000 UTC]
united states of brazil lol i imagined that.. and it's a really well done map!!
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Thegunkid [2018-01-16 18:06:47 +0000 UTC]
Im a bit late but with some knowledge of 1950s geopolitics I want to add some input.
Bulgaria and Albania should be part of Yugoslavia since they were going to join until Tito pissed off Stalin.
I don't know why half of Greece is Communist considering the fact the communists squarely lost the civil war in 1949, and the Greeks lost all their Asian territory well before the Second World War.
You should show the 1919 German borders as a dotted line on your map since West Germany rejected the present border until the 1970s; same for the Baltic states since the West absolutely refused to recognize their incorporation into the Soviet Union; Meanwhile Ukraine and Belarus should be marked due to the Soviet Union successfully getting them UN seats in 1950.
Vorarlberg would probably be part of Switzerland too. Germany's western border may have been far different if we take into account the proposals under the Bakker Schut Plan and Monnet Plan; Similarly Poland may have kept Lviv with the Curzon B line instead of the current border; to add, Konigberg was originally slated to become part of Poland while Stettin was to stay in Germany.
In the 1950s the political conditions for Catalonia or Basque to be independent were non-existant.
Sudan should be part of Egypt as the only reason Sudan is even a country today is that was the only condition the British would vacate the territory in the 1950s.
Somaliland should probably be a separate country,with the Haud part of it instead of Ethiopia. The Western part third or forth of Eritrea would've became part of Egyptian Sudan under the original post war proposals; Tanzania wouldn't exist and would still be the separate countries of Zanzibar and Tanganyika; The State of Katanga would exist as a US client; that said, DR Congo would probably still be called Zaire because that was it's main Cold War name.
Spanish Sahara would either still be Spanish or split among the 1975 Madrid pact line; on the inverse Morocco would probably have the pre-1956 borders due to the Spanish Morocco.
Now following the collapse of the European Commonwealth the United States probably would've annexed the Azores like it nearly attempted in the 1970s after the revolution in Portugal put socialists into power.
Bangladesh would still be part of Pakistan as East and West Pakistan, with Sikkum still being an Independent state; Gwadar would still be part of Oman; with the Portuguese colonies of Goa, and still intact.
Papua New Guinea probably would've probably became the 7th State of Australia or at least a Australian territory; But at the same time Western Australia may be Independent.
Over to Asia, the People's Republic of China recognized Mongolia as independent in 1949 in real life so including them as part of China is bemusing especially considering the fact it was de facto a Soviet vassel since 1919, meanwhile Hainan may have still been under control of the ROC.
Okinawa probably would've become a full US territory since there was an abortive attempt at statehood in the late 70s when it still under United State's sovereignty.
Now another interesting dynamic in the early cold war period was Indonesia, Indonesia at the time wanted to annex Malaya which was still a British Colony and actually had economic support of both the US, Soviet Union and China; now assuming the September 30 incident didn't happen and Sukarno remained in power I could foresee him atleast taking Sarawak with the Philippines exploiting the opportunity to steal Sabah.
Now going to the mainland, Vietnam South Vietnam probably would've won considering the Vietnam war was lost due to hippy culture which never existed in the Fallout universe as well as the fact the US had a full declaration of war on it; Likewise Cambodia and Laos would still be US aligned.
Up to Korea that's ambiguous, considering the Korean War is alluded to, I could foresee the US actually going through with the real plan of using Atomic Bombs against China to win the war which would explain why China became America's main adversary instead of the Soviet Union.
Jumping over to the middle east, Israel should be on 1967 borders, with the West Bank part of Jordan and Gaza part of Egypt; "Yemen" would actually be North Yemen, with South Yemen still known as the Federation of South Arabia; Bahrain would still be part of Iran.
To the Americas, we probably would've annexed Greenland considering we tried to buy immediately after WW2.
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gundel31 In reply to Thegunkid [2018-08-15 00:37:59 +0000 UTC]
Your recommendations are all essentially "let's make something happen that didn't in real life". The Fallout world may have diverged from ours after World War 2, but that doesn't mean it has to be completely alien to us. You also forget that the point of divergence may very well take place before China recognizes Mongolia (technically the POD is sometime in the 17th century, unless green-skinned aliens actually abducted a Japanese samurai in our world) and the Chinese government could just change their policy towards neighbors in between 1949 and 2077, especially after the mellowing of the USSR. Lastly, you don't know that Hippy culture didn't exist, and even without it the US was fighting a guerilla war that it couldn't win without burning down all of Vietnam.
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Thegunkid In reply to Thegunkid [2018-01-16 18:29:21 +0000 UTC]
To add, Southern Schleswig possibly could've been transferred from Germany to Denmark post war too.
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TheRoman899 [2017-07-18 02:19:21 +0000 UTC]
What did you use to make this map?
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RvBOMally In reply to TheRoman899 [2017-07-18 03:11:41 +0000 UTC]
Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop.
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Legionaire1776 [2017-06-09 21:13:07 +0000 UTC]
That's a big map.
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Comrade-Emperor [2017-04-21 07:31:36 +0000 UTC]
This is probably the best fallout map i ever saw.
Thank you.
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felixswi [2017-04-19 17:46:23 +0000 UTC]
Which font did you use?
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Tony2826 [2017-01-22 21:41:48 +0000 UTC]
I wanted to ask, where do you imagine Israel being, beyond just what's on this map? Because with Tel Aviv being destroyed in 2053, it seems like a good portion of that country would have been devastated as well.
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RvBOMally In reply to Tony2826 [2017-01-23 19:07:03 +0000 UTC]
I interpreted that attack as being very limited, and one that just made the rest of Israel more militant and cohesive.
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Tony2826 In reply to RvBOMally [2017-02-12 04:42:14 +0000 UTC]
That does make sense. And I know a lot of people do "what other countries had their own "Project Safehouse,"" but if anyone did, it would be Israel.
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Raptor-177 [2017-01-02 23:38:35 +0000 UTC]
What countries are there in the Middle East? I like to imagine Nasser's United Arab Republic succeeded grew, and there is a strong, industrialized Ba'athist state in the Middle East, while Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states coalesced into one.
Also, why is Iran a US ally?
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RvBOMally In reply to Raptor-177 [2017-01-02 23:40:05 +0000 UTC]
The Middle East was under the control of a Middle Eastern union until its destruction in the Resource Wars.
Because Iran was a US ally until the 1979 revolution, which never happened here because it's a 50s-based future.
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Raptor-177 In reply to RvBOMally [2017-01-02 23:43:35 +0000 UTC]
Ah, that makes sense.
BTW, is there any way to contact you directly on this map?
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RvBOMally In reply to Raptor-177 [2017-01-03 05:50:41 +0000 UTC]
You can go ahead and make the mod, if you give me credit for the original map and link the work to any descriptions. However, I don't think I can be too much help on background. What you see is what you get,
more or less.
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Raptor-177 In reply to RvBOMally [2017-01-04 08:53:31 +0000 UTC]
Ah, so you took inspiration from that map indeed, but changed a lot of stuff around... interesting.
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werejaguar [2016-11-10 22:45:10 +0000 UTC]
there is no reason why oil should not disappear the demands, even with fracking would be bad. Although electric vehicles should have made up that slack as well as other sources of energy. I could see climate change as a bigger cause than what they said.
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RvBOMally In reply to werejaguar [2016-11-10 22:59:37 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, that aspect of Fallout lore doesn't really make sense.
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UraniumUtopia In reply to RvBOMally [2016-12-29 18:49:03 +0000 UTC]
I guess that with their reliance on nuclear energy a lot if not all of their electronics use transistors, which if I remember correctly, require plastics to make. Plus, I suppose not everyone has a Nuclear Powered car. Still seems pretty flimsy though.
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werejaguar In reply to RvBOMally [2016-11-10 23:26:34 +0000 UTC]
I don't think the makers really cared about the pre-war history and more so about the game play
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dsivis [2016-10-28 23:20:51 +0000 UTC]
Really like this map.
Only quibble would be the small size of the Sahara Wasteland. I'd expect it to be bigger, maybe even crossing the Mediterranean.
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RvBOMally In reply to dsivis [2016-10-29 00:01:37 +0000 UTC]
It doesn't get that bad until after the Great War, which involved far more warheads.
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AzrielMoha [2016-09-13 14:01:44 +0000 UTC]
Any thoughts on how Indonesia's doing before the Great War? Personally, I think Indonesia is in a major fuel shortage (well the whole world is) with everyday increasing protesters, riot and extremists attack. Is there any possibilities major USA companies such as Robco and General Atomics expand their corporations in Indonesia?
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RvBOMally In reply to AzrielMoha [2016-09-13 17:42:12 +0000 UTC]
Indonesia is under American occupation after a failed communist uprising and America's thirst for oil got the better of them. Major US companies were starting to build factories there, taking advantage of cheap Indonesian labor, but the Great War started before operations could officially begin.
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Bullockbill [2016-09-04 21:44:55 +0000 UTC]
Hello everyone! I just finished posting my first alternate history scenario. Not very original, but if you're board and you have nothing else to do than consider checking it out. (It has however been posted three times by accident. Does anyone know how to delete journal entries?) I just want to hear some opinions about it, especially as to weather I made any huge errors.
bullockbill.deviantart.com
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erty10089 [2016-08-05 03:46:35 +0000 UTC]
In your opinion, where would the frontlines of the sino american war be?
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RvBOMally In reply to erty10089 [2016-08-08 00:16:31 +0000 UTC]
According to Fallout canon, Alaska and the Yangtze.
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erty10089 In reply to RvBOMally [2016-08-08 17:07:57 +0000 UTC]
Thanks! By the way, I've always wanted to know, what program do mappers here use? Also, in this imagining of the fallout world does the uk survive? I've had a fanfic sort of thing where the British make it through in a similar manner Las Vegas does.
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RvBOMally In reply to erty10089 [2016-08-08 18:14:57 +0000 UTC]
I used Illustrator and Photoshop here.
I have no idea if the UK survives. Maybe, maybe not.
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JakeRulez17 In reply to erty10089 [2016-08-07 04:19:19 +0000 UTC]
In-game, the beginning of the war had front lines in Anchorage. The American counterattack in mainland China, beginning in 2076, had events such as the Gobi and Yangtze Campaigns. Shanghai, Nanjing, Beijing, and Shantou were all said to either have been invaded or had their supply lines cut off.
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