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<<<< JEHOVAH NISSI ( THE LORD OUR BANNER>>>
THE LORD JESUS CHRIST IS JEHOVAH-NISSI, THE LORD OUR BANNER. In the majesty of his person, the efficacy of his work, the merit of his blood, the perfection of his righteousness, the certainty of his triumph, and the glory of his second advent, Christ is the Banner of his Church. Under this Banner we fight and prevail. And to this Banner we rally
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Seems you kinda failed.
Because I proved so many points and all you did was burry your face and whine and say no no no no no.
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hmm and ur tormenting me 2... nah i didnt fail...
ur impossible cuz ur blinded.. i cant help a blinded man.. im not god
ur points and intepretations are utter rubbish.. u totally butchered the bible and its meaning
also..you all use ur own intellect.. which is not of god.. because you all interpretations differ from all others... and
ur frustrating me.. i have university to deal with
i have no time for you
and well if u choose to keep tormenting go ahead
im not gonna waste time on you ne mre...
guess ur the one who failed.. u didnt convince my soul ....
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You have come up with absolutely nothing original.
Every flaw I've pointed out in your logic I've given an alternitive.
You haven't proven anything. Not one single thing. Only that you have no idea what you believe.
Boy you just called the Bible rubbish.
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lol no i didnt.. i called ur interpretation of it rubbish..
yeah yeah ive heard this b4... i have flaws blah blah blah..
everything is not new to me..
ne wayz tell me happy birthday
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Birthdays were originally a pagan reitual in which on the aniversarry of one's birth family would gather and sing to ward off evil spirits thought to try to poses a person on that day.
I will no take part in something steming so directly from a pagan ritual.
You know why?
Because the bible says that things ungodly can not be mixed with things holy, or godly. For if they are one's worship would become tainted.
By celebrating birthdays you're taking part in a ritual directly linked to a paganistic ritual. No matter how much you make it about thanking God for your existance, etc. it's still an unholy celebration.
That's historically, and Biblically, undisputable.
Wanna know about any other pagan holidays?
Cause you probably celebrate plenty of them.
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is ok...id rather not talk to you ne mre
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You brush off every undisputable truth I tell you because you have nothing.
Bye.
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lol... HAHA.. wow ur so funny... ur insulting me now...
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No I'm pointing out how you duck out of every fact you can't dispute, instead of maning up about it.
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lol.. HAHAHahaha
man up to this.. ur interpretations are crap.. U MAKE A MOCKERY OF THE BIBLE.. u DEFILE IT.. u shud be ashamed.. u people live by ur own intellect.. and its disgusting that u all think u are better than everyone else..
u think u use the bible the most? guess what all religions have a holy book.. all religions make references to their holy books..
whamt u didnt realise that?
u think jehovah witnesses are rite? the mere fact ur forcing ur stupid doctrines down my throat pushes me away.. i never mind jehovah witness peole
BUt because of you.. ur making me hate them.. i have several jehovah witness friends.. and they are not as disgusting as you...
u make me sick... with ur crap
YOU DONT SHARE LOVE... where is the love??
if u go around talking to ppl like this.. they wud run from you.. because ur arrogant and ignorant
im fed up of dealing with u...
i tried to be friends.. but it makes no sense..
I want nothing to do with you again... just leave me alone... if your religion was correct.. i wud have been a jehovah witness by now... because im open and willing to learn
BUT NO>>>>>>>>>>>>> im ducking and running.. TAKE UR DOCTRINES ELSEWHERE
ur not a kind person at allllllllllll..... sigh... u truly turned me off
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its amazing....
haha.. and you knw what.. u wud still think ur right..
one last time... ITS TIME TO BE SAVED>>.. salvation is waiting...
believe in the holy spirit.. ur eyes would be opened
and the bible did say all 3 are one... i guess you were wrong huh? cuz it really was in the bible... HAHA
go back and study ...
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Prove it.
Show me. that's the one thing you haven't done one single time. Not once.
You referenced one scripture one time.
As well, everything you say about me and all witnesses believing in man made doctrines. You're basically taking all the things I said about and just repeating them back to me. No originality.
and as for all the HAHAHAHAs, they make you look more ignorant, because again and again and again that's all you do to respond when I ask you to show me. It's pathetic. You have absolutely nothing to show me.
So.... let me make this one clear as day to you WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT, JESUS, AND JEHOVAH GOD ARE ONE?
Because I'll quote Psalms 83:18 "That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth".
Now if it wasn't time for me to goto bed I'd have half a dozen other SCRIPTURES FROM THE BIBLE stating that Jehovah is a complete sepporate being from Jesus. Let me know if you're not convinced by that one there though and I'd be happy to provide more BIBLICAL evidence. Something you're so keen on avoiding.
And if you'd like I won't even use the NWT. I'll go ahead and put up scriptures from the KJV, NKJV, Yungs Litteral Translation, even the NIV if the scriptures aren't completely distorted.
So far you haven't been able to touch me.
All you have are the same insults with not an ounce of anything to back them up.
Seriously.
You don't even know what it means to 'believe in the holy spirit, and my eyes will be opened'... Do you realise that Holy Spirit is something that witnesses most often pray for throughout the day. It's something they rely on for direction, mental, and even physical support.
The fact remains that Jehovah has obviously chosen his organization, he's given his own name to it.
As for you saying that God has so many names. God and Lord are just titles. Jehovah is qoted as saying 'I am the great I Am'. Although his name, YHWH - Jehovah, is used over seven thousand times throughout the ORIGINAL, Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic scriptures.
How many times is it in your bible?
And please once again, if you show me nothing else, just show me where the Holy Spirit, Jesus, and Jehovah, are difinitively spoken of, all together, being one being, or three beings in one being, however you think it is. Just show me where that is.
I'll give ya a whole week to research it if you need.
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HIS NAME IS NOT JEHOVAH!!!!!!>. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh GOD ITS ONE OF HIS NAMES>>> STEUPS... yuh so lame jed... swear nah and im not bothering to read ur disgustingly long message...
god.. u make me wanna leave deviant art and go shoot myself.id rather go to hell than read ur crap.. to tell u how disgusting u are.. UR TAKING THE BIBLE AND KILLING IT...
you rell stubborn 2.. flick....open yuh eyes...
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Dude chill out.
You're freaking out over a disagreement.
It's pathetic.
Prove that Jehovah is just one of his names. Where does it list other names.
Also, go back and read it (like you probably did) and answer my question I asked again and again.
You want to kill yourself?? Out of frustration over this... Take a chill pill, Jeez.
I'm asking you to show me things and all you're doing is calling me stubborn. That's dumb. I'm asking you to show me. Show me, Show me, Show me. What's stubborn about that?
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lol yeah cuz ur frustrating me.. and im not a dude first of all.. dudette be appreciated... thank you...
i mean come on man... god has so many names in the bible its endless.. how come u chose not to call him other names? the jews call him yeshwah...why u call him jehovah?
i call him jesus cuz the bible said only through that name there is salvation...
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Before you go on and finish this message, please, as I asked...
Show me where the bible speaks of Jesus, the God's Holy Spirit, and God himself, as being one entity, or three in one...
I showed you where it spoke of them as sepporate beings.
Like the Holy Spirit descending upon Jesus, ONLY after he was baptised. Meaning that if the trinity was true... and in all seriousness - God in the flesh didn't have God's active force with him... nor did he have any knowledge of his pre human existence untill soon before his death, years later. Jesus was in his early 20s when he was baptised.
You don't know what that means then. You're not supposed to call God, Jesus, it's 'through christ' because he was the randsom sacrafice, and "No one gets to the father except through me." - Jesus. Not "No one gets to the father except be calling him Jesus"
The ONLY true record of God's name is spelled out as YHWH. However that is not was God said his name was. All original documents containing his full name were destroyed and replaced with only part of his name because of unchristian superstition. The superstition that you're not supposed to say God's full name. Most biblical scholors agree, that his full name was almost certianly pronounced Yahweh. An 'a' incerted after the Y, and an 'e' after the W, turning YHWH, into Yahweh.
The bible does no list and endless number of names that God uses. I don't know why you would say that, because it's not there.
The reason I call God Jehovah, and not Yeshwah, Yahweh, YHWH, etc. is because that's not how it's translated language to language. The pronunciation changes. For example, in spanish, they say "Yahova"
The one name that appears in the original documents over 7,000 times (I'm talking the 5,000 year old parchment and stone) is YHWH. In hebrew it's spelled like this. [link]
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The cross is a former pagan symbole only integrated by late and former pagan, Constantine, 300 years after Jesus' death.
Jesus was not sacraficed on a cross.
That is a Pagan symbole.
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so what was he sacrificed on then?
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A stake, or tree. The original Greek word translated to Cross (in most bibles today) is "Stauros". It's true meaning is "Torture stake" an upright poll, beam.
"The Greek word for cross, staurosβ, properly signified a stake, an upright pole, or piece of paling, on which anything might be hung, or which might be used in impaling [fencing in] a piece of ground"
"The Jnterpreterβs Dictionary of the Bible states, with reference to staurosβ: "Literally an upright stake, pale, or pole... As an instrument of execution."
There are plenty of sources that explane that Stauros means an upright stake, in Jesus' case the more accurate meaning would be torture stake.
A question posted on yahoo answeres has some decent information. [link]
Some people argue that it makes no difference. But that isn't true at all. People are chosing to bring a symbol created by pagans for paganism, into their homes, and use it in worship practices. Above all that, Exodus 20:4 tells us that we should not create, therefore, not use graven images.
God comanded Adam and Eve to live one way. People assuming that today it doesn't matter how you chose to worship, that it all goes to the same god, are seariously mistaken.
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Does it matter?
All of what I said there is valid, and applicable.
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is valid.. but i dont believe in what u said... still believed my god died on a cross
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Why though? I just proved that Jesus didn't die on a cross... and that the symbol was created by ungodly people, representing something very unholy... Would you use a golden calf in your worship just because it was once incorperated into what would become Christianity, even though it was made for detestable reasons.
That's not very smart.
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no i wouldnt use a golden calf cuz ur not supposed to worship any idols.. and well ur theory about the cross ive heard before..but i knw when my god died on the cross it wasnt for pagan reasons ne mre.. cuz i was set free 
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It was not a cross.
And I really don't think you understand why Jesus died...
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i still think is a cross.. u see long ago.. they had to make a sacrifice unto god to be purified from sins rite.. and well..basically god sent his son jesus to die.. being the ultimate sacrfice.. so that everyone can be freed from their sin.. pretty awesome huh?
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Uhh... Well first off I totally just proved to you that Jesus was not sacraficed on a cross because it wasn't common practice untill 300 years later when Emperior Constentine came into power, he being a former pagan, brought pagan symboles into christianity. The Cross was not made a holy immage or symbole, it was brought in long after the fact.
That wasn't worded very well either... First off who is "They" the They that had to make the sacrafice..? And they made it unto God? what's that mean?
Do you know why Jesus needed to be sacraficed in the first place? The human race weren't born sinners, were we? Would God have made us to be imperfect?.. and especially us being made in his immage..
The Catholic Encyclopedia states that the teaching of the trinity is based off of tradition, rather then fact.
Jesus had a pre human existance as the Arch Angel Michael, weather you believe that or not, Jesus is also called "The first of all creation" That being, and God being the uncreated creator. It doens't work.
I have never been confused by the trinity's theory. I think it's really dumb when people say they can't even begin to comprehend it... That's pure ignorance. As well, Our God is not a god of confusion. The trinity being THAT confusing to someone... that contradicts what the bible says... you gonna contradict the bible?
Adam and Eve were both created perfect, physically, mentally, etc. The Old Testemant, being written pre-Christ states "An eye for an Eye". Satan the devil decieved Eve (who inturn convinced Adam) to eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge(of good and bad), which was the one thing God had comanded them both not to do. God caught them, and removed them from the paradice that he had created for them, because they had sinned. "Since all men and women are descendants of Adam and Eve and "all the world" has "become guilty before God" Sin, thus death entered into the world.
God required a sacrafice of equal value to the effects of what was lost through the first sin.
The first sin made Adam and Eve lose their perfection, thus, a perfect sacrafice had to be made.
Bulls, calfs, turtle doves, donkeys, they were all sacrafices ment to appease God for the time being. You could sacrafice a trillion of the most near-perfect animals the world had to offer, but even all thoes added up to something still imperfect.
Because of both Jesus, and God's love for the human race, Jesus volunteered, and was sent down by God, and put in the woomb of a good hebrew woman. Thus Jesus was born perfect. He was the perfect sacrafice needed.
Being more informed, Pretty awesome huh?
Please reply with lots, cause I've got an infinate ammount of information to share with you.
And pardon any typos... there's probably plenty of them...
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so if u knw why jesus died.. why did u ask me? the they i was referring to was the people in old times who sinned and had to make a sacrifice to be cleansed
Secondly of all.. because of adam and eve sin... everyone born was born into sin after that.. does not mean we are born sinners.. but we were born into it therefore purfication needs to take place..and i dont understand where the trinity thing came out from because i did not contest it...
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You said your god died on a cross. Usually when people say that their god, or God died on a cross it's because they're involved in that falce doctrine.
I asked you because I don't believe you really understand.
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so u dont believe in the trinity? dat's what ur saying... i dont thin u understand .. the way ur fighting with me.. ur using facts and wadeva.. i dont sense any faith in you.. ur doing everything based on ur judgement and things that man can prove
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Through something you said I was lead to think that you believe in the trinity, that was not ment to be the main focus of what I said, it's just something I feel strongly against and wanted to address. Having faith in something you believe, when history and the bible it's self show that it's not true, or has been distorted is not faith in the bible, it's faith in the teachings of man. I see a huge majority of professed christians have a lack of complete understanding of many biblical messages, as well as not understanding the propper contest, thus distorting it's message - missaplying it.
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i believe in the trinity cuz the bible says all are one.. i mean why god cant manifest himself in 3 ways.. he is god.. im not a professed christian.. but it makes it sound like ur trying to change my belief with ur man made facts.. ur the one throwing facts at me when i dont need it. i knw better.. i wud learn more in time... ur telling me i have faith in man made facts.. ur the one who is telling me jesus didnt die on a cross.. u put ur faith in history.. why doesnt everyone else think jesus died on a stake? u wanna tell the other people 2? why just tell me... share ur message with the world.. go out and preach to other what u belive.. i dare you... however i wud never believe what u tell me.. sorry to put it this way.. im not being ignorant.. but id rather not have my mind clouded...
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You're doing the opposite of what you're telling me to do.
I know all of what I do because JWs have gone back and translated from original texts and looked at the whole history of christian and pagan symbols. That means ONE translation, directly from Latin Greek and Hebrew to English. Yours is the one that's been messed with. The masses have been mislead, and you're following suite. You should stop believing what you're told by "Everyone else" and look at historical facts. They tell a dramatically different story. I know this from personal study, something you're obviously lacking.
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Don't you understand that the originaloriginaloriginal Greek word that has been rendered "Cross" in so many bibles, doesn't even meen cross? It just doen't mean cross.
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I do tell other people. It's one of Jehovah's comandments, "Go, therefor, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father..." I do all the time.
You don't understand the trinity either. The theory is not that God manifests himself in three forms...
Everything I have told you is strait from the bible, things I myself have read, and researched, things you can't dispute by just stating what you think. What you think, is faith in man. What I study, is faith in Jehovah.
That was a terrible paraphrase too, "all are one". The bible says that when a man marries a woman, they become one flesh, one soul, etc. That obviously doesn't mean they become one in the same. Jesus and Jehovah work in perfect unity, and have a perfect understanding of eachother. Thus they will act as one.
Do you understand the Holy Spirit, where that fits in? Cause you haven't mentioned it..
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i thought u were jehovah witness.. i swear u all the hardest to deal with..
But guess what i did my research.. and yeah your religious views are all over the net and wadeva
yeah i read what the greek word means... but i dont think there is something ur quite getting with me...me and u and getting tied up some where.. lets eliminate the trinity for now ok..
Now u made the biggest mistake by telling me i cant dispute..
1) Romans crucified on both crosses and stakes.. When crucified on a cross it was meant for intense pain.. the body goes through alot of pressure.. no one knws for sure what jesus died on..I agree it was a pagan symbol.. but like u dont believe in change..when JESUS died on it.. the whole meaning of that pagan symbol changed.. cuz people were set free.. that whole pagan thing was eliminated as salavation was gained.
2) If Jesus died with His hands fastened above Him only one nail would have been necessary to fix His hands to the 'stake'. Yet we find that Thomas said that he would not believe Jesus had risen from the dead unless he could put his fingers in the prints of the NAILS in Jesus' hands! (John 20: 24, 25). Thomas made NO reference to ' feet ', only the hands, and by using NAILS (Plural), it is clear that more than one nail was used to fasten Jesus' hands.
3) AND HOW DARE YOU even have the thing to tell me that i have faith in man? HOw could u even defy me like that? YOU tell me your stuff is from the bible.. JEHOVAH WITNESSES barely even use the bible .. you all have a book or something like that rite?
4) And yes when a man marries a woman they become one.... but like you dont catch the understood concepts.. its like ur oblivious to it..God can manifest himself in 3 forms whether or not he wants 2... HE IS GOD!!.. and the bible does talk about the trinity...so therefore the bible being the book we are supposed to believe.. then i will belive..
5)There is no jesus and jehovah.. my god has several names.. There are Names.. but there are also scriptures saying.. That salvation is through jesus christ.. NOTE THAT NAME.. Go do your research..
Jn.3:16 God...gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him, should...have everlasting life.
You know what his son name was rite? exactly..
6) Back to you and this trinity.. Obviously there are not 3 gods or 3 beings.. God sent his son.. which is the earthly form of him.. you even know why god came into earthly form? God is a holy spirit because he lives in us and is amongst us... GOd is the father cuz he father of all creation.. HE CAN MANIFEST 3 FORMS... BUT ONE GOD JESUS CHRIST...
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Yeah, alot of people like to smear Jehovah's Witnesses for some reason.
Where is it indicated that the symbole became holy? Where is any proof of that? I don't believe anywhere in the bible does it say that a symbol went from being pagan, to acceptable, even holy. If you think that's just logical, then that is faith in man, because it's not in the bible.
Lol we use the bible more then any religion as a whole. Nearly every single statement made in any of our litterature and bible aids is linked to a scripture, or scriptures that proves the point. Every week we go through several chapters of the bible in out congregation, as a group, also, many people make it a goal to systematically read through the whole bible every year.
We have many many bible aids that serve to go into greater detail of Jehovah's purpose, as well as the Watchtower and Awake magazenes.
Jehovah's witnesses are also fulfilling biblical prophecies, such as teaching the good news through the inhabited earth.
Not once does the word Trinity appear in the bible.
When jesus was baptized God's Holy Spirit descended upon Jesus. The bible States - βAfter being baptized Jesus immediately came up from the water; and, look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw descending like a dove Godβs spirit coming upon him. Look! Also, there was a voice from the heavens that said: βThis is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.ββ
So if Jesus was God, then woudln't he have the holy spirit in him already? He only had Jehovah's holy spirit once Jesus became baptized.
Jehovah alone is βGod Almighty.β Genesis 17:1. John 17:21, 22, says "21 in order that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, in order that the world may believe that you sent me forth. 22 Also, I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one." Notice how it says "in order that they may be one just as we are one"
One scripture offered as support for the Trinity is John 5:18. It says that the Jews (as at John 10:31-36) wanted to kill Jesus because "he was also calling God his own Father, making himself equal to God."
But who said that Jesus was making himself equal to God? Not Jesus. He defended himself against this false charge in the very next verse John 5:19: "To this accusation Jesus replied: 'the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees the Father doing.'"
By this, Jesus showed the Jews that he was not equal to God and therefore could not act on his own initiative. Can we imagine someone equal to Almighty God saying that he could "do nothing by himself"?
Yeah.. Salvation through christ, fyi Christ wasn't Jesus' last naam, but rather the definition of Jesus' purpose. But I'll ge to that in a moment.
John 3:13; 6:38, 62; 17:4, 5 all tell about Jesus' pre-human life in the heavens. the latter part of John 8:28 states "I do nothing of my own initiative, but just as the father taught me I speak these things" Did God teach a simply lesser part of himself? 17:4, 5 consist of Jesus praying to God to return him to heaven after his sacrafice to the place he held before the world it's self, the place by Jehovah's side. Not in Jehovah.. but by his side. Jesus was an angel before being sent to earth. Jehovah created tens of millions of angels before creating the earth, in Genisis ist's said that the angels rejoiced. Satan was an angel before becoming known as the Devil, as well as the millions of other deamons that were once angels whom had sinned by following Satan to earth. Many deamons manifested them selves into fleshly bodies, had sexual relations with women whom had children that were the cause of Jehovah flooding the earh in Noah's day.
A man once asked Jesus: "Lord, are those who are being saved few?" How did Jesus reply? Jesus said: "Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able."βLuke 13:23, 24. Did Jesus fail to answer the man's question? No, the man did not ask how hard it would be to be saved; he asked if the number would be few. So Jesus merely indicated that fewer people than one might expect would exert themselves vigorously to receive this marvelous blessing
You butchered quotation of John 3:16 is a reference to the future of man kind, not something that happens to an individual at death. People don't become angels or deamons when they die, Ecclesiastes 9:5 "The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all. And they have no more reward, For the memory of them is forgotten. 6, Also their love, their hatred, and their envy have now perished" When you pray, you pray through Jesus Christ because he was the randsom sacrafice, through him, through his personal sacrafice we will some day have the opportunity to live in a perfect world, the paradice that Jehovah had initially inteneded the earth to be. Read Revelation 21:1-4 and put that together with Matthew 5:5 and tell me how you'd explane that.
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Haha wow ur amazingly impossible... and also blinded.. but i shall not fight with u further.. and u need to stop saying i have faith in man... and umm best of luck with ur evidence.. but u got it all wrong still.. and im not the only one who would tell u that..
u definitely would never be able to understand the trinity
and Jesus had to be human .. If he wasnt.. then god wouldnt understand from human perspective.. yes god has emotions and he feels.. god needed to knw what we go through.. hence creating the manly form of him. being the saviour for us...
and ur telling me i have butchered quotations and stuff.. but honestly ur not worth the fight and guess what u wud never convert me to ur twisted perception of god...
You jehovah witness to me do not exemplify christianity.. something is missing from you all and very soon you would realise..
till then take care 
Mwaah
oh and religion.. i dont like that concept.. im born again i have a relationship with god.. its not about law.. its about that personal relationship that has me on fire for christ.. and you out of all people can never out that
ttyl.. god bless you
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I just unloaded a huge ammount of information, I was kind of hoping for a real reply. I never throught this was a fight, I've been trying to converce and explane what I believe. You seemed to get very upset in your previous message though.. I asked you to show me how the cross became holy, without just using your opinion.
I sited so many scriptures, and when I said your butchered version of John 3:16, it's because there were so many parts missing, it was kind of turned into something else, with slightly different suggestions.
Fail what?
I've done nothing but state what the bible says, what research and history shows, and you're telling me I fail? What part of that turned me into a failure. I provided so much evedence, with biblical scriptures that backed up exactly what I believe.
I said you had faith in man, because you were providing so little scriptural.
Don't fight me. Argue the scriptures, provide proof that I'm wrong. That's what I feel I've done for you, and you're now just shutting me out?
Why?
Either I proved you wrong and you can't admit it, or you're right and you refuse to teach me.
Refusing to teach someone about the bible, goes against what the bible says. Don't mean to twist your arm, but if you know you're right then you should be showing me through scriptures, how I'm wrong.
Like when you said that Witnesses rarely use the bible, I ramped it up and used plenty of scripturall quotes..
So please, take the time and reply.
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Trust me u proved nothing to me lol.. many people have thrown the world of interpretations of the bible at me.. lol.. and u dont have to teach me ne thing ... and its kind of unfair that ur taking advantage of me.. im young and i dont knw much ... im now tryna get back my life rite with god after i messed up... im now tryna read the bible... so i wont knw much... but still ur evidence even though biblical.. ur explanations for normal scriptures... dont cut it..and daz why i dont provide much scriptural evidence...
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Well I'm only a year older then you, and I've only started believing in christianity in the past couple years.
I believe you think I'm incompetent because you're bias against Jehovah's Witnesses, and you don't like how I ran circles around you.
If you read what I have to say, do all the same research I think you'll have a hard time even convincing yourself that I'm wrong on a large majority of what I'm saying.
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i dont think ur incompetent.. who am i to judge..? i read what u say and u did research.. but there would always be different views on christianity and what not.. i just dont choose to believe.. u have ur evidence and ur research..but i dont fall for it i guess :S
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What's to 'fall' for though?
I've been providing information that you're not really looking into. Would you be apposed to learning more, coming into a new understanding, a greater understanding, just because you disagree with it now?
I was completely against everything Christian, after being taught just a little, and being open minded, I actually had a desire to learn more.
You need to see me as a person trying to teach truth, not someone spreading lies.
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1)we cant believe everything in this world.. if we open our minds to everything and believe everything is right then we'd be messed up
2) i grew up into christianity , therefore being who i am.. there is no need for me to open my eyes more because i knw the truth already. YOU NEED TO SEE IT NOW..
3) I looked at all ur evidence.. i looked at everything.. they're pretty good.. but the fact that u disagree with most essential stuff to christianity is just enough for me to disagree... you have great evidence but..once again as what i said in number 1..i have not been able to see much of a difference created by jehovah witness' in the world..
4) time for you to get to know god a bit more personal
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The best way to understand Jehovah is to read the written testimant he left us, and to get to know him, is by praying.
If I need to see it, who's gonna show me?
Because I've been taking in alot more information then you these past few years, I don't see how someone else could teach me more.
I grew up having nothing to do with christianity, I was completely unbias when I started learning, I came to believe that the trinity, for example, was a false doctrine, because there was alot more evidence that it didn't exist, then there was that said it existed. The bible doesn't support the idea of the trinity, not even John 1:1, the most common scripture used to defent the trinity was misstranslated. Coming into the true meaning of the verse draws a clear line between God and Jesus, and doesn't even include the Holy Spirit. The three together are never spoken of as being one in any way.
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ur being taught wrongly.. im not gonna argue with u further on this ne mre.. ive had enough... I dont agree with ur interpretations.. and please dont try to tell me what is right and wrong ne mre ok? cuz u refuse to understand by point of view on things because u think ur the only right one and you have the correct interpretation and you have the evidence...
-I dont like people like that... and ur really beginning to stress me out by forcing ur views upon me... STOP IT...
- Im done.. u live with your religion... ok?
- Do not comment on any thing else concerning the cross again.. take ur pagan views elsewhere its not wanted by people who believe and have a strong belief in jesus christ
- Finally... Jehovah and his others names are many names for God... But only through jesus christ is salvation and you would find that out through the entire bible.. think outside your beliefs and try a different interpretation for once instead of being stubborn and not understanding.
- The same way you refuse to hear me out, then the same way i refuse to hear you out..
- Do me one favour though.. try different churches and it would make sense to you after a while..
- and i knw u like this word plenty "evidence".. ur evidence is wrong.. its misinterpretations of the bible.. if u believe in what ur teachers say then that is faith in man.. try to get closer to god
- Worship him in a way u never did b4.. try to hear his voice.. try to feel his presence.. he is real.. and i knw u will be saved
- God bless you.. mwaah..
- Enjoy ur day
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yeah, your third - is correct, I don't t hink you know what it means though.
You really don't have a clear understanding of what the bible teaches at all.
No it won't 'make sence after a while' because what 'other churches' teach is flat out wrong.
They don't teach from the bible, not like Witnesses do.
And that's why I believe it, because it's strait from the bible.
You seem to be ignorant to that fact though.
What we teach is coroberated throughout the bible. You're not understanding what I'm telling you about the trinity and it's roots in the warped views that professed christians had, hundreds of years after Christ's death.
The bible does not teach the trinity, and I dare you to show me where you believe it does. Because I have more answeres then you'll ever hear. You continually refuse to provide scriptural proof of anything you believe, while I've thoroughly done that for you, about what I believe, and know to be truth.
It can't be a lie if it's from the Bible.
If you had actually looked up all the scriptures I showed you, you'd have to be really really stubborn to not ask yourself any questions, as they clearly go so against what you believe.
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omg you're so wrong if u think we dont use the bible.. trust me.. we use the bible as much as u all do.. we go more indepth actually... lmao... we use it as a sword.. u all just read and interpret based on ur minds understanding so wrong...
its like ac hild reading a book and not able to learn in depth.. u all are surface learners.. and DONT EVER SAY OTHER CHRISTIANS ARE FLAT OUT WRONG
who are you to judge? definitely not god...
and im not stubborn.. ur the only stubborn one.. trying to force ur way upon me.. lol i read everything u said to me and wadeva.. but once again i said i dont agree with ur interpretations...
and ur also stubborn to not try new things
ur stubborn to keep persisting
ur stubborn to not understand i dont wanna believe in ur interpretations
UR stubborn to not be kinda and understanding and Have respect for what others believe in
I'm free. if i convert to ur laws.. i'll be enslaved.. i have salvation.. im waiting on you
no i wont give up on you.. il pray every day that god opens ur eyes
Born once die twice
Born twice, die once
think about it
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How about born once and ya don't die. Ever.
Cause the bible talks about that ya know.
Millions living will never die.
You don't even know what heaven is.
Spell stuff right.
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