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Description Now, I need to explain a few things behind this mini-comic:
This was heavily suggested by my friend and applies to some people I saw around the Internet who... well, annoy me a little bit.
It's okay to be any fictional character's fangirl, or fan in general. It's okay to crush on them, or make them your fictional hubby or whatever else, hell, even I do some of those things!
However, making a character something they're NOT, unless it's for your own art/comic fun, and not for what I'll point out later, is not okay at all in my book...
This applies to a certain couple of topic I've read about Jeff The Killer: to be more precise how some people make him pretty much a GOD when it comes to powers, abilities, and such. I've seen people claim he could beat any other Creepypasta like Laughing Jack, or Eyeless Jack, or so on, and react... well, quite aggressively to everyone who disagrees...
I've seen many Jeff vs The Joker topics and it shocked me how many people claimed Jeff would own Joker's ass any day and any time, and how aggressive they are towards those who disagree, even in a very polite and mature manner, bringing up some good points about how it could not happen.
Sorry to dissapoint you, friends, but... NO. He would NOT. Whether you like it or not.

I personally have nothing against Jeffy although I'm no longer really interested in this character at all. But I don't hate him. I even still like him, still draw him.
So don't take it as if I'm a hater of his because I'm NOT. At all.
However, let's face it: who is he?
Originally a 13 YEARS OLD KID who just went through some horrible trauma and started killing people. All he has is a knife. He has NO killing skills/real experience whatsoever. He has NO superpowers whatsoever!
Now, The Joker is no superhuman either. But you don't have to be a huge DC fan to know just WHAT this guy has done in his life. If not, and if you still have doubts about who'd win, I suggest you look it up He's killed hundreds. He tortured, he broke people's minds, he hunted them down, he made them lose their crap completely. He's very smart, very cunning, very, very dangerous and WAY more insane than I think Jeff will EVER become...
I just have no idea how anyone can even imagine Jeff EVER, in real conditions, winning against such a foe...
The only way I can see Jeff winning is him sneaking behind Joker and stabbing him in the back... and even this I just can't see ever happening~ 
The Joker would be long dead if this was so easy to do.
(All I can really see involving Jeff and Joker is Jeff picturing Joker as his senpai... HAH!)

Now, as someone pointed out, and what needs explanation, I do change characters as well in my fanart.    
Absolutely.
However, changing a character itself in your art is what I really don't have anything about, I do that myself and many people I know and like do, too. It's okay, it's fun, there would just be way less options we'd have to make various art of characters if we didn't change them at all.
Making art, writing fanfics, it's all perfectly normal if we love a character. As long as we can see the canon and non-canon line just fine... I make many characters either too weak or too strong at times, too. But everything has it's limits.
Another thing, and this is what I disagree with and target, is taking it to the next level - by making art and then attacking others who disagree with it, by searching up art/fanfics picturing said character as weaker than THEY think they should be (aka not a GOD) and then harassing people who dare not to picture the characters the way THEY think is right and worshipping enough.
I myself have gotten unbelievable amount of hate back these days, when I'd dare make Jeff lose to any other characters in my comics. I'd be called a bit*h, a c*nt, a wh*re, getting death wishes, screams at me how Jeff would beat everyone else with a blindfold on, and so on.
You can change a character to a fair point, have fun with it, and then know that - "I'm making this OOC as fruck, but hell, it's fun to me!".
And then you can change a character and make everyone who dares point that out regret that they were even born and dared to do so, simply because it IS canon to you that they're a god and beware everyone who disagrees...
This is what I want to point out now as I simply forgot back then - I'm absolutely NOT targetting everyone who just changes a character for personal reasons and do it consciously! It's fine, it's fun, it's entertaiment.
I'm targetting those who rant, who attack others, and who would rather murder you and bury your mauled corpse, than admit they made a character OOC/OP.

Love for certain a character doesn't excuse such actions and opinions either. Now, I for example LOVE my dragoness scalesona, Sapphiresenthiss.
Yet I don't run around bragging how she could beat, let's say, Inheritance's Shruikan, or let's say, Deathwing into a pulp.
Just like I love The Joker but I know he just can't win against Batman or many other heroes.
I also love Caius Volturi from Twilight (the blonde bad guy who's constantly angry and wants everyone to die ) and yet I myself admit, in the last movie in Alice's vision, he got his arse kicked and owned in a way so lame it literally HURTS to watch, dying immidiately without even dealing any damage to ANYONE. Does it kind of sting, myself liking him a lot? And how! Do I wish he was stronger or at least as strong as some much less interesting characters I like much less or not at all? Of course!
As for myself, I even gave him some special powers in my little headcanon, just so he won't stay so pathetically boring and weak...
And do I still claim he's incredibly strong and can beat anyone? No. Canonly he's, sadly, still close to nothing special... Just the fact I gave him some powers doesn't make him stronger in world any other than my little fanmade world.
Simple!

Don't make them something they're not to this point, don't become one of those people who are so common around the Internet, running around, making posts and attacking other people who dare to say a character is weaker than what some make him/her.
Change a character you love in your headcanon, have all the fun in the world with it, but don't let that canon reality border fade away...
You can love a character, whether it's your own or not, but don't lose yourself in it. 



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Tamala1 [2024-06-24 00:10:43 +0000 UTC]

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Sapphiresenthiss In reply to Tamala1 [2024-06-25 17:47:02 +0000 UTC]

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Dancingllama9000 [2022-12-19 06:39:03 +0000 UTC]

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Sapphiresenthiss In reply to Dancingllama9000 [2022-12-19 11:24:08 +0000 UTC]

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Righteousdog03 [2022-07-27 11:16:53 +0000 UTC]

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Sapphiresenthiss In reply to Righteousdog03 [2022-07-27 11:18:40 +0000 UTC]

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Righteousdog03 In reply to Sapphiresenthiss [2022-07-27 11:19:14 +0000 UTC]

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199p In reply to Bizzarearmada [2021-11-01 18:24:27 +0000 UTC]

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Star-Cock [2020-05-25 05:06:13 +0000 UTC]

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Sapphiresenthiss In reply to Star-Cock [2020-07-13 17:06:30 +0000 UTC]

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MrYingYangDreamer [2019-11-25 06:16:18 +0000 UTC]

I read the Last panel in john dimaggio's joker voice cause it sounds like something he would say. anyone else?

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Sapphiresenthiss In reply to MrYingYangDreamer [2019-12-05 15:43:50 +0000 UTC]

Nope, always Hamill for me.

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MrYingYangDreamer In reply to Sapphiresenthiss [2019-12-05 16:12:25 +0000 UTC]

ok

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cherrygirl202 [2019-08-13 18:41:18 +0000 UTC]

HO THANK GOD THANK YOU THE CHARACTER IS SO ANNOYING

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Sapphiresenthiss In reply to cherrygirl202 [2019-08-30 20:21:05 +0000 UTC]

Jeff? It's not that the character himself is annoying, just some of his fans are.

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cherrygirl202 In reply to Sapphiresenthiss [2019-09-03 02:47:46 +0000 UTC]

Ya but let face it the fans of this character completely ruined his image

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EverydayMercenary702 [2019-06-09 00:43:23 +0000 UTC]

I never did understand where people get the idea of someone like Jeff being able to defeat Joker? Have these Jeff fans even seen some of the shit that Joker does to both heroes and villains alike on a daily basis? It's not a pretty sight.

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rainbowdashfanwhite2 In reply to EverydayMercenary702 [2022-06-18 10:15:56 +0000 UTC]

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Sapphiresenthiss In reply to EverydayMercenary702 [2019-06-09 20:30:37 +0000 UTC]

No idea, dude, like I said in the description, it's okay as long as you see the line between canon and headcanon which obviously those do not see.

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MsTeraLn [2019-05-24 02:32:42 +0000 UTC]

Hey, Sapphire!

I just found this comic and the Joker WINS HANDS DOWN!

Jeff's big mouth is a wasted space of big air, if you want to put it that way.

Jeff: All talk, no action. Score: ZERO.

Joker: All action, little talk. Score: 1,000,000,000 (you get the idea)...

Now, if you want to put Harley in this comic, I would love to see that happening. IF you have seen Suicide Squad, that is.

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Sapphiresenthiss In reply to MsTeraLn [2019-06-16 17:03:54 +0000 UTC]

Oh, definitely! 
Well, if you're talking about a regular mortal vs Jeff... Well, if Jeff planned things well, he'd win most of the times I believe.
But against mistah J? Lol, no XD

I haven't seen Suicide Squad. I'm a big loyal fan of the animated series' Joker

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MsTeraLn In reply to Sapphiresenthiss [2019-06-16 21:09:04 +0000 UTC]

LOL! I was talking about Mistah J! He is awesome, in a strange sort of way!

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Aslyx [2019-03-26 02:09:50 +0000 UTC]

Ashes to ashes, dust to dusted, i'm only saying this because Jeff was busted, he was pretty cool but now he is dead cause it's pretty hard to live after being shot in the head.  

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Sapphiresenthiss In reply to Aslyx [2019-03-26 11:14:34 +0000 UTC]

... Genius.   

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Aslyx In reply to Sapphiresenthiss [2019-03-26 21:11:14 +0000 UTC]

 

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doctor3uk [2019-01-15 01:55:38 +0000 UTC]

Joker would kill him barehanded.

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Sapphiresenthiss In reply to doctor3uk [2019-01-15 14:55:43 +0000 UTC]

 

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supernightrun [2018-12-01 16:44:53 +0000 UTC]

ya know whats funny? I really like seeing discussions about how, realistically, Jeff wouldn't stand any real chance against a seasoned killer, especially JOKER. I dunno, I just like all the facts, even if most are obvious (I mean really, a 13-14 year old winning against an adult? um, sure, lets go with that XD)

ahem, I'll be honest though, I also like seeing them because I know some angry (-insert killer here-) fangirl will throw a hissy fit (I sometimes copy paste their comments for inspiration. I just got a pair of edgy neko girls - one a bully, the other a "killer" - and the comments help me get into the mindset  )

back to the actual discussion, yeah, I can't see anything going right for Jeff against ol mister J. The joker would just fuck with him the whole time. XD

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BloodStalker500 In reply to supernightrun [2018-12-07 23:29:40 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, people talk about Jeff being some incredibly dangerous foe in a fight, but he really is one of the lowest-tier Creepypasta killers ever. The fact alone that people actually consider him an equal rival to Slenderman in combat - an entity that legitimately has power far above any human being and wields supernatural abilities beyond our comprehension - is an insultingly high wank in of itself.

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supernightrun In reply to BloodStalker500 [2018-12-08 00:27:42 +0000 UTC]

Oh boy, yes. I've witnessed those arguments! XD

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Sapphiresenthiss In reply to supernightrun [2018-12-01 18:32:22 +0000 UTC]

Actually, that's the issue with many people seeing their fav character offended by someone XD
I myself have feelings like this sometimes, it's just that I speak only when I feel that they're making a character weaker/stronger than they're in CANON. 
A discussion is fine, as long as all the sides stay calm and mature enough. 

And I couldn't agree more with you, bro XD

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supernightrun In reply to Sapphiresenthiss [2018-12-01 19:10:17 +0000 UTC]

oh boy howdy, yes! XD
yup, me too. 
totally, otherwise, more inspiration for my whiny emo twins XD

 
(a more lighthearted version of the situation I just thought of, btw)
Joker, in a comfy chair, reading the newspaper, back turned*
*jeff sneaking around towards the joker, knife in hand. Joker doesn't even bother to look in his direction "hey buckaroo! how's it goin?" *grin*
Jeff: ??? O.O 
Joker: You're not being quiet, and even if you were, you have a white hoodie on. Kinda hard to miss.
Jeff :I-you- ah-
Joker: oh dear lad, don't worry, all the best of us start out clumsy. Ah, by the way - that's a dummy in the chair
Jeff: ???
*chair is turned mechanically to show a joker mannequin in it. with a voice box in its lap*
Joker: and just so you know, kiddo"  "I'm right behind you XD
Jeff: FUCKWHATHUHHOWWHY??!!   

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Doggutsz [2018-11-09 14:02:00 +0000 UTC]

“However, making a character something they're NOT is not okay at all in my book...”

Regarding everything else written down below.

A. You do a lot of stupid things with Jeff I personally don’t agree with, but that does not mean it is not okay to do so.

B. Anyone can do anything with Jeff that they want to, getting yourself worked up because some people think Jeff would win from The Joker is fucking stupid.

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Sapphiresenthiss In reply to Doggutsz [2018-11-11 11:26:10 +0000 UTC]

Oh, you absolutely have a point here. But...
First of all, I'm not getting too worked up. It's simply quite annoying.
Second - I, contrary to many people, don't take seriously doing some things I do with a fictional character.

If you point something out that is OOC that someone does, you're simply right in my book. For example, you'd have full rights to tell me I made BEN way too weak - although I never read his story, so I'm not too sure how strong he's supposed to be - and I'd say it's indeed a fact because I kinda made him that one weak family member...
While if you try to do the same with people who think Jeff is a GOD and he couldn't win against Slenderman/L.J/E.J/Joker/Jesus Christ... well, bless your soul
I'm not getting 'worked up' by those who change some characters, hell, I do so myself. I'm just getting annoyed by not just harmless extreme fans - but those who will attack artists who picture Jeff weaker than literally anyone else - which I myself went through, going as far as being called a whore, a bitch, a cunt, getting death wishes and so on for merely making Jeff give up on the idea of a fight with E.J because he knew he couldn't win, and for sure both 'canonly' if they met, and not canonly at all - who will rather murder you and bury your corpse 150 feet underground than admit they're making a character OOC/OP and so on. 
I'm not targetting fans who love a character to the point the love is more than anything else, I'm targetting those who made it their life goal to scream about it, to target and attack and insult others who disagree with their opinion on Jeff being a God. They can make art like they want themselves, but getting on forums, YouTube, Deviantart, Tumblr and whatever else, ranting, screaming and wishing everyone who pictures Jeff a tad bit weaker than a Godzilla... well, I wouldn't call myself getting worked up here.
I hope we made it clear. And we apparently have different opinions on what's fucking stupid, so...

But right, I just edited and changed what you made a quote of as it indeed looks like I'm attacking everyone who changes a fictional character. It was absolutely never meant to look like this as I do this myself. Needed changes were done to make it more clear. Thanks for that, it indeed lacked a lot of more detailed explanation.

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Doggutsz In reply to Sapphiresenthiss [2018-11-11 13:16:55 +0000 UTC]

I have to agree on that. People attacking eachother because someone has a headcanon of Jeff being weaker than someone elses headcanon is also fucking stupid.

In my headcanon, Jeff is stronger than the average person and also carries a gun. Putting him up against a demonic monster like LJ would be unfair, he would immidiately die.

I personally think Jeff would win from Joker man vs man, being 13 forever is not realistic lol.
But Joker would win if he brought up his gang, since he is still a maffia boss.
But I understand you think differently of that.

What I meant with “fucking stupid” is the fact Freddy Krueger has 2 annoying puppies, a relationship with Michael Meyers, Jeff has something with LJ, I have seen shit in the comic that he gets bottle fed from a baby bottle or something, he does not even kill the puppy characters does not matter how annoying they are, they are all monsters/killers living in a house/mansion and eventually they meet fucking Lucifer and what not. You could say that’s for comedy purposes but we both know you also make naughty artworks regarding shippings or fetishes, (Which is totally fine)

You see, for me that is “fucking stupid” and a bit hypocritical, saying “You should not make a character into something he isn’t “ but your whole comic does that thing.

I don’t mind shipping or weird baby bottle feeding shit, that is your own choice to do so and I am glad you are having fun. But for me, personally, it’s dumb.

Also, respect for you not freaking out at me for giving harsh comments but rather respsonding very maturely, I saw someone telling you to kill yourself or something for making an image like this and all I can think of is “why can’t we all just have fun?”

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Sapphiresenthiss In reply to Doggutsz [2018-11-11 15:11:47 +0000 UTC]

Very true! That's what I mean.

And to be honest - if we make a headcanon of Jeff getting older, he kinda HAS to get better.
Almost everyone improves as they mature, get older and gain new skills.
So him staying at the same killing skills level he had at 13 while being for example 22 would be honestly very weird as well. 
What I dislike the most, is people claiming he's OP while STILL being a kid. Right now, right after his canon story ends. With his only experience being the one of his original story.

I can see him being a fair match to Joker if old and experienced enough. But really, we can't tell for sure because we don't know how much experience he would gain, how it'd start, and so on. All depends on that, so we can pretty much choose a side, give good, fair arguments, and such. And face the worst problem most fans face - kicking our character-loving self in the ass and not letting it get in the way of our judgement.

Yep, all of that is true XD
I'd say it's kinda what Family Guy is. I back then had no idea what Family Guy was until someone pointed that out, comparing my stuff to it.
Makes no sense whatsoever (for example some characters dying, then coming back to life, Meg getting burned until she's a skeleton, then a second later she's back to normal, Peter losing his hand and growing it back while the hand itself grows into an evil Peter, Brian having mutant dog-human babies with Stewie - which made even me cringe, even I didn't even come close to a TODDLER PREGNANCY - Brian losing his teeth and somehow having them all intact one episode later, more crossovers than even AWJTK could ever have... They even, too, have some slashers like Jason and Freddy who actually don't act like they should as well, Freddy getting paid to tell Peter a joke in his sleep, resulting in Peter crapping his pants in his sleep from laughter), has lots of gross humor in it, most of it's purpose is for shits and giggles and such. I'd say to a certain point even AWJTK has more sense... XD
And like Family Guy, you either love it, or hate it.
I personally got bored of this comic, it has really no sense whatsoever and I happily gave most of it up for other, a bit better planned ideas. I actually even wrote a journal a few months ago about AWJTK, it's probably still somewhere around in my old journals. The problem with it was I made it my challenge to improve on drawing humanoids. So I had the plot planned for like 10 pages. Then I'd just do anything random I could come up with.
Like you probably saw, I gave up almost completely on this comic and I MYSELF don't like it anymore. The only reason I didn't remove it from my gallery and it goes on, is people who like it and who I know would be deeply upset if I did so. Same reason I'm doing like a single page for a year now. Were it not for people, it'd be long gone and forgotten probably. Still thinking of deleting it to be honest. Which I most likely won't do because it'd make some people cry. Best I can do, is actually try and make it better in future pages, although this is too kinda hard because I don't really have much pleasure in planning anything this subject-related...
Like I said before, I explained the “You should not make a character into something he isn’t“ thing already, so no need to bring it up again as it kinda loses it's point after I made it more detailed what I meant in this little rant. I think it's way clearer now what I meant.

As for fetishes - fetishes are supposed to be something specific that turns us on sexually as far as I'm aware. Myself being asexual, contrary to popular belief of some people, I don't have any sexual fetishes, nor do I get off to my artwork. While it definitely can feed the fetishes of some people - what can't these days? - I just draw what I more or less enjoy drawing, so if it were to involve ME personally, it's no fetish to me. Just so it's clear.
Like you said, it's totally fine though. I have many favourite artists who do art that feeds their fetishes I'm personally not so fond of (for example DragonessLife - foot and sitting/crushing fetish, Gillpanda - obesity fetish), but god damn it, do I love their art for it's style, and so on! I don't really care for their fetishes until they're brought up to a level that becomes simply too much for me, I just enjoy their art as long as said fetishes don't become too extreme. 
And even when I can't stand it - I can't stand vore for example, I simply can't watch it, can't read comics involving it which is the problem with DragonessLife's art because it has lots of vore in it now and then - I just skip such arts/comic pages and such, and enjoy the rest. If I decide to go on a commenting spree, I'll simply skip pages/arts involving stuff that makes me uncomfortable. Or comment about something else about that page that doesn't involve said subject if there's something I really like there. Let them do whatever floats their boat! If it pleases them, in a sexual way or not, where's the damn harm in it? We're not FORCED to look at their artwork, whether it's vore, gore, yaoi, obesity, or whatever else. When finding out what it is about, we can quickly hit the Backspace button, cross them out of our to-watch artists, and move on.
I can understand there can be some exception that can, when we accidentally come upon them, leave us pretty scarred for quite some time, especially if we're young. I remember when I was in my teens, I was looking for some Indians comics and I found one that I thought was very interesting... until I clicked a random page from a thumbnail and saw said Indians skin and roast a woman alive while cutting her to pieces. I'll hold myself back from describing what else they did to her, or rather to the parts of her. I don't know how the hell it even got to be accepted there on this site without proper censorship. The art was also WAY too detailed... I remember being emotionally shaken for like a couple of hours and the image couldn't leave my head. Might be where my strong dislike for vore came from... So there's that, I can kinda understand people reacting kind of extremely to something like that, it being a fetish or not, if it is, then we all have all the rights in the world to question the artist's mental health, although I'd still just run away from it like a Road Runner. Those are very extreme exceptions though and it's still silly to me to foam from the mouth with rage over something like moderate obesity, bondage, yaoi, foot or size fetish, or so on.

I won't freak out at you because, unlike some people, you had a point here. I should've made it more detailed - like what it says now that I fixed it - and it indeed looked like the biggest hypocrite ever talking XD Sometimes we just need to look at something we already wrote to realize we failed to really show what we meant here. 
It INDEED looked like I was attacking everyone who changes a character to fit their ways, and hell to the no, I'd never do this.
Hope it's more clear now that it's edited.

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Doggutsz In reply to Sapphiresenthiss [2018-11-11 17:26:47 +0000 UTC]

Woah that is a lot of text!

Yeah, people all have different headcanons of Jeff and some even write their own background story for Jeff. My version of Jeff is this huge ass guy that has great fighting skills and a nice collection of weapons (I think it's stupid some people think Jeff is completely useless without his knife). But I like having discussions with people about ''Character vs Character'' with realistic arguments and not getting your panties in a twist because some other characters happens to be stronger. I don't see Jeff as an immortal, OP demonic monster thing lmao.

Yeah I can understand why you don't like the comic anymore and I am really sorry for calling it ''fucking stupid''. You see, it's not your fault, but since I am a big Jeff the Killer fan, I mostly try to look up some cool art here and there. I have nothing against seeing things like ''Jeff x Ben'' ''Jeff the Werewolf'' but eventually the only thing I was constantly seeing was ''Worm Jeff'' (God I hate Worm Jeff, sorry), ''Jeff the Killer feet inflation'' and eventually, your comic, with especially those really weird pages. I also like really weird things, including Family Guy, but when people say ''Ignore it, look away'', it is very hard when I only see two cool Jeff artworks I like and all of the other art is all of that ''weird stuff''

No I am not a rabid Jeff fangirl, it's just that I have never been an actual fan of something, but Jeff and his character is kind of special to me since I discovered him in 2011 or so and it just grew onto me. I don't care how many people will tell me how ''edgy'' he is or ''It's 2018 and he's old'', I use Jeff as a coping mechanism. Wether it be for my rage, whether it be to laugh at derpy things he could do or even if it could be sexy stuff. I was and still am very mentally unstable and Jeff helps me cope with a lot of things. I don't care about the fandom and I don't care if his character dies, he will probably always be stuck with me and I don't care. But sometimes when I just want to see a cool or nice artwork I get overwelmed with really weird things. That is not your fault and I don't hate your comic or anything, I just got a bit angry because I have seen it EVERYWHERE, even on Pinterest and what not. I also just did not understand why it was so popular while other people who also made great comics didn't get one comment. So I am sorry if I came off as very rude to you.

''I don't have any sexual fetishes, nor do I get off to my artwork.''

Most artists also don't get off their own artworks and just because you are asexual, does not mean you cannot draw the things you draw.

''If it pleases them, in a sexual way or not, where's the damn harm in it?''

I have to agree on that and honestly, I have seen your art a lot but I chose not to comment on them because as you said, I am not forced to look at it and I would have felt like a dick telling you ''Yur coMiC SuX!''
As I said, I am a fan of Jeff for like 7 years now, I always cringed of ''Sexy Jeff art'', but as you said, it does not harm anyone. I eventually accepted it and did not cringe but rather ''Oh Jeff does look a bit handsome'' stuff like that.

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Sapphiresenthiss In reply to Doggutsz [2018-11-11 18:26:49 +0000 UTC]

It's just not often that I get to have a conversation like this and I really enjoy it

Like I said, YOU can picture characters however you like - as long as it's not making them something you're not in a way, like, making them a non-human, immortal, a god, etc, you know what I mean. And it still stays being a headcanon.
Your Jeff is strong and skilled while in his canon story he has very little experience and is a kid. 
My Caius Volturi has hypnosis powers while in his canon universe he's a powerless, overreacting wimp who died 5 seconds after he joined the battle.
A human stays a human. However, I suppose we COULD bend the rules here?... An example is Michael Myers - he was a normal boy until he killed his sister... and then became immortal? Sure there's a few movies later that Curse of Thorn thing, but... it was never mentioned in earlier movies, he just kinda became a superhuman with no explanation at all. Myself being a HUGE Michael fan - him being my top fav slasher - I kinda disagree on him being fully immortal and I'd like him to regain a bit more of humanity left and be a little bit more vulnerable (gets up 3 seconds after being shot in the chest, fully regenerating shot out eyeballs quite fast, too?).
I can understand that with Jason or even Freddy, as they're both technically dead and stuff, but Michael? 

I can understand how you feel. I keep stumbling upon stuff I dislike, too. Honestly, all we can do is simply block the person who uploads them...
Apparently then their art won't show in our search. Or look at the titles/artist icons and not click them.
When I look for slashers art, I can constantly see people making Jason and Michael speak. A tiny thing, but god damn it, it's so annoying to me for some reason... XD
Their silence is what's so cool about them. 
Thing is with us - what's stupid to you, may be cool to me, what's cool to you, I might find stupid as well. That's how the world works. If we all liked the same things, the world would be incredibly plain...
''It's 2018 and he's old'' - you can place your headcanon in any timeline you want. There's no "now" unless it's stated it's happening in a certain year. If we were to think like this, I'd be forced to always picture Michael as a 60-something years old guy, the Game of Thrones' or Witcher's characters - medieval times - turned into DUST after all the centuries, and so on.
You can choose, you can even warp the timelines if you wish so if the world is fictional, who the hell cares?

Well... It's not my fault they, EVEN THOUGH I IN 99% OF CASES DID NOT AGREE FOR THAT, re-post my shit everywhere they can, dude.
Look at this that way - you get annoyed by that. How do you think I feel, knowing and hearing my art is being more or less stolen and reposted everywhere else without said reposters even bothering to say "Hey, can I do that?". I reported them multiple times in the past. I gave up on fighting that because it simply has no sense... Best thing is IF they even bother to leave the watermark/signature on, and not remove it, which makes it a full art theft.
 I also just did not understand why it was so popular while other people who also made great comics didn't get one comment. - you nailed it. And for that, I also have no answer because I have no idea. Perhaps because it was funny and people like to laugh? Or it was drowning with Yaoi which also countless people love?
But you also can't blame me for it. And believe me, being 'popular' isn't all daisies and butterflies either. When I finally got away from CP fandom, I was so relieved. I finally have peace. I might get a thousand comments less per week, but at least they're something more than rabid little fangirls fighting in the comment section, or raging haters. I kinda miss how 'popular' I was sometimes, but if I had a choice, I honestly wouldn't want all that 'fame' back.
You may have noticed or not that I don't almost even upload my CP related stuff to CP groups for said reason.
I don't say my other art is perfect, but some things of mine make way more sense than AWJTK. And yet it gets like... 1/10000 of the attention? Oh, well!
The whole further point of this comic was to be hilarious. I myself am not super picky when it comes to humor. I laugh at pretty much most things that are related to comedy. I like laughing. That's why I prefer to draw some silly, hilarious things. I said that once years ago - don't we have enough problems and sorrow in our world? 
I'll still be drawing lots of silly things for a reason as above - I like that. I like making people laugh instead of making them cry
Long time ago, when I started getting 'popular', I started trying so hard to please everyone. I was affected by every hate filled comment I'd get, I think all the beginning artists dealt with that. Now? Now I don't care anymore. 
The REAL truth is - you CAN'T, no matter what, please EVERYONE. No matter how great your art is, no matter how flawless the plot is and how well characters develop, there will ALWAYS be a few people who'll be unhappy with it and complain about it because (insert reason).
If some of AWJTK watchers couldn't find anything real to complain about - aka they were alright with the silly humor, lack of sense, etc. - they'd complain about what? About how my comic is weird because THERE'S ONLY ONE FEMALE CHARACTER, and she hardly even counts because she's a WEREWOLF, not a busty human woman. Why are the rest of them male? Why don't you add more human girls? And so on.
And you know what's even better? There was this one person complaining years ago. They wrote a journal about how they HATE my comic, can't stand it, how it makes them blind and hurt... and then pointed out EVERY SINGLE THING they disliked in this comic, starting from page 1 to page 200-something
How did they even get through all those pages, memorizing all of what they hated so much, to then write it down and bawl about it, tagging me directly and attacking me with that, is beyond my imagination... And I thought I lacked life and had way too much time a few years ago...

I focus on pleasing myself and those who like my silliness now, on being happy with what I draw, and I'm very happy when I can make people laugh. That's all.
I have quite a few more serious, planned, or even sad ideas to use in future in my art - mostly involving my Mulan comic - but I'll always return to things being funny and senseless. I myself in real life, when in good mood, am a comedian. I'll joke constantly if I have a good day. I have a comedy book in progress. And I really like making people laugh.
Not everyone likes it. Some people need to see any sense in something, or have it being a certain type of humor to find it funny, they're simply more 'picky' like my sister, she for example doesn't like my sense of humor/art at all and it's totally fine, it's not her, nor my fault. My mother and I will laugh at most of things and my art and writing makes her quite literally cry from laughter at times.
Some people can't live without romance/love movies (which I can't stand), some dig darkest horror movies. Some like dogs, some like cats, and often hate the other.
That's why there's really no sense in arguing who's right and who's not, if something is silly and fucknig stupid or funny and great, because ALWAYS, you'll have those two groups of people - those who hate it, and those who love it.   

I'd say you gave off a bit rude vibe, but at least you DID come up with some right points, contrary to many comments I used to get, even a quite recent one under this very picture.
The problem is not with Jeff - but with a certain type of his fans and this little comic wasn't even meant to insult Jeff himself, but those certain fans, the Jeff shown here not being even the 'real' Jeff, but the quite twisted version of what they claim he is.
I hope we got it all explained now

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Doggutsz In reply to Sapphiresenthiss [2018-11-11 18:36:50 +0000 UTC]

I read the whole thing but I am just too tired to respond to everything you wrote. However, I have high amounts of respect for you and I agree with almost everything you have said in this comment.

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Sapphiresenthiss In reply to Doggutsz [2018-11-11 19:17:47 +0000 UTC]

Thank you. Glad there's no hard feelings and it didn't end up in a fight

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Doggutsz In reply to Doggutsz [2018-11-11 17:29:54 +0000 UTC]

Sorry for the spelling errors and weird grammar. I'm currently too tired to do a spellcheck lol

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PuppyBaby15 [2018-11-07 02:40:19 +0000 UTC]

now lj is op, he aint even alive

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