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You know, this is actually a rather common battle people like to debate. I don't know why.This is a battle that takes place in the Tournament of Super-humans
Sora: Wielder of the Keyblade, Sora has traveled to many worlds, fighting back the darkness each time as he searches for his friends.
Link: Wielder of the Master Sword, Link is a hero through time, constantly saving his world from evil, and protecting princess Zelda.
Now these two heroes must face each other on the field of battle. Which blade will win the day? Keyblade or Master Sword? Who posses the more powerful magics? When these two are locked in a battle to the death, only you can decide...
WHO! IS! DEADLIEST!
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Link. Let's use the most Popular one: Twilight Princess Link (because he's the best t combat and OoT is overrated). He's not as fast as Sora and he can't use magic, but he is MUCH stronger. Yes Sora cut a building in half. A building made of dark energy, which is one of the only things the Kyeblade can cut. He also killed a castle-dragon thing. Again, made of the stuff the Keyblade is made for killing. Meanwhile Link has a real weapon: A sword. A sword that can kill anything that it's used on because IT'S A FUCKING MAGIC SWORD! On his own, TP Link can throw raging goats and huge gorons. (Don't need any strength powerup here!) He's agile enough to dodge a raging boar monster coming out of weird portal things, he can counter anything Sora has with the Hidden Skills, and he's an expert with all his weapons. The only edge Sora has is magic, which Link has dealt with before.
So again, Link wins.
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you realize Keyblades can cut more than that right? I mean it isn't like he has fought only beings of darkness, he can fight and damage a suit of keyblade wielder armor, a defensive item of warriors of the keyblade, I doubt you could classify that as a dark entity. plus even if it couldn't the fact every heart contains darkness would make that point moot, and he has fought users of the lights and good guys too, hurt them awful good. also if you think that Link is stronger when Sora could handle and keep on going after taking hits from Disneys Hurcules who cannonically throws freakings titans into space. and in the KH games, while tired as hell. Also, those skyscraper feats pretty much negate the fact that link can toss at him, I mean just hit them right back or beat them aside. and Sora is faster seeing as reaction commands are cannon. also raging boar monster? oh joy, it is like you forgot that he took on a lightning user so fast that she can make 2 speed clones of herself that fight along side her, 5 temporarily but 3 will vanish. also with reaction commands Sora could just power through literally any attack he gets thrown at him by link, figuratively or literally, your choice. regardless, Twilight Princess is not capable of handling sora on any level. and note we are just talking about base sora, when we get forms involved it just becomes a pointless slaugher not worth watching
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Except for the fact that Sora routinely gets his ass beat by people who by all rights should be weaker than him (just about every Final Fantasy character he fights), his keyblade doesn't actually cut anything other than darkness; it just smacks whatever enemy around like he's wielding a blunt object, and TP Link alone has been shown to have reaction speed high enough to counter light-based magic. His tennis match with Puppet Zelda is slowed down so the player can actually see what the fuck is going on. If it weren't a game, it'd look like all those anime fights where it's just a bunch of blurs and sparks. Oh, and then there's the mortal draw, which is 100% guaranteed to kill with no way to defend against it. Reaction commands be damned, Sora can't use them against an attack he doesn't see coming.
Or if you wanted we could use Composite Link, who is planet level.
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then Sora fighting a reality warper on the level of Xemnas and a world ender like Ansem pretty much leaves Sora at around planet level or above. also, those final fantasy characters that beat him like Cloud in KH 1 fights him in the early barely battle tested runt phase of his development. at the end of the game he takes on a world ending threat, as in could literally end worlds on his own, with no problems, you're using very early versions of Sora in order to justify Links chances at a win, try using the battle tested variant next time. also if everything that lives has darkness in it, and he can cut darkness as you admit. then all things that have hearts ... and even things that don't cause nobodies, can be cut. even if he can't use reaction commands against things he can't see you first have to prove that Sora has a slow enough reaction time to lose sight of a being who can't teleport, which sora has enough feats to make a very compelling case that he won't lose track of link which the only way he could get him to really lose track of him would be if he teleported constantly.
Also, guess what, that tennis match you mention, that excuse can be used for us as well considering how sora can be shown to teleport, move so fast it looks like he is teleporting, and there is actually a reaction command where Sora and his opponent move and perceive so fast all opponents and allies stand still until the next move is made, which is essentially him or his opponent teleporting behind the opponent winning the duel, then of course there is the fact that the dome of lasers attack starts off slow and gets faster and faster, either implying that they were getting faster or that they were always moving that fast and they were slowed down for the enjoyment of the viewer, either way not a good scenario for your side of the argument. we can say the exact same thing. Sora even has abilities which would prevent that little insta-kill like second chance which is an ability he learns as he progresses through his game a passive ability. and sora has countered and/or reacted to light magic too, so I guess him and link are on Par in that department.
Also really? Sora has also beat people who are far more experienced than him by decades in the art of war, swordsmanship, combat, and magic, and yet you think that argument has any bearing on this situation, especially considering we are talking about 2 franchises where the best-laid plans of well-prepared evil creatures get beaten down by young heroes? then, of course, there was the time he fought a gene which are phenomenally cosmic beings which high-tier reality warping which sora still came on top from. oh and wait, if his keyblade can only cut up darkness. then how come in the data worlds, how can he beat down the characters that are literally pure data. and also leave large wounds in one of their damn head which is a specific reference to KH 2. plus if Link should ever become too active a target there is always the magnet spell to make sure he stays in one place as an easy target, then there is also reflectga which could turn that instakill tactics power against Link, or any other attack against him if he is close enough. plus Sora could always just heal himself if Link ever gets close to actually finishing him.
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Hey. Don't mind me, just going around on these Sora vs Link pictures and posts. Oh, if you want to know who'd win, you should check out the fight I did between to two. Or don't.
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Normal Sora and Link are a bit boring so I tried something else: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kET94F…
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Let's say a hybrid Link
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Then hybrid Sora wins(he would need to be a one to in order to make it fair)
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If link had the fierce deity mask, he'd have power greater than majoras mask. I'd say link
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Sora has 6 Drive Forms, 4 of which he acquires via story progression, the last two are another case.
Valor Form: Requries 3 Drive Gauges and Goofy in the active party and conscious, utilizes physical attacks
Wisdom Form: Requires 3 Drive Gauges and Donald Duck in the active party and conscious, utilizes magical attacks
Limit Form: Requires 4 Drive Gauges, and can be used outside of certain events, utilizes Limit Attacks
Master Form: Requires 4 Drive Gauges and any two active party members both conscious, handles both the Keyblade and Magic, also utilizes aerial attacks.
Final Form: Requires 5 Drive Gauges and any two active party members both conscious, can be unlocked by frequently using the first four Drive Forms after beating Roxas at the Station of Awakening, grants access to the true power of the Keyblade, making Sora a living weapon.
Antiform: Consumes all Drive Gauges, requires at least 3, and forces Sora to fight solo. Can be purposely triggered by equipping the Two of Destiny Keyblade as a primary weapon and activating Valor/Wisdom/Limit/Master Form, utilizes speed and hand-to-hand Combat at the cost of defense and healing effects.
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A sword vs a giant key? Yeah the answer is obvious. I like them both but Link wins sadly. Link fights real monsters, he goes around saving the kingdom by himself. He doesn't need a duck and a talking crazy ass dog to help his ass out. All he needs is a sword a shield and some other items. Link is a 1 many army. He doesn't even need magic! Badass!
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A giant key that can slice through buildings in half. That same giant key is wielded by someone who can move and react to lightning and possibly higher, and can move fast enough to seem to be teleporting. I'm sorry, those two points alone make Sora the logical winner. He could easily speed-blitz Link.
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Now we need a battle where sora vs cloud or cloud vs zak, or genesis vs sephiroth.
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Sora already defeated Cloud in Kingdom Hearts.
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But cloud was pretty weak in this game compare to Dissidia 012. (Have not played FFVII yet) Soras wins aganst the Organisation XIII Members are much more impresive.
I have only Played OoT so i do not know how strong he is in other games but in this game he is super weak compare to Kh Characters like Marluxia, Xaldin, ore even King Micky.
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are we using all Links? If so doesn't Link have all the power of the triforce in skyward sword, and doesn't the triforce of power basically give you god like power. The triforce of wisdom gives him massive amount of magic potential, and has much more years of experience, and wouldn't he have a fairy or two? Doesn't Nayru's love prevent damage? As for speed doesn't Link react to lightning bolts from Goht in legend of Zelda Majora's mask, and if we really personalized him, couldn't he have the deity mask, the full power of triforce, uses master sword unbreakable shield, and toughest armour, golden gauntlets and all his other weapons
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I personal find it stupid to use an all in one Link becuse such a Link does not exist in any Zelda game. You can corect me if I am wrong with this becuse Iam an Zelda noob.
The Keyblade has shown problems with a God with an home feald advantage. Without the Help of Hercules Sora would bin screwed. So if Link can make himself immortal Sora has a big problem.
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Sora beats gods of death ... and Xemnas ... Find me something good otherwise Sora wins with Keybeam to the heart
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Awww, wolfpack got mad at me that I wooped his ass in the debate~
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What a baby that guy is lol
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Link loses all the way.
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As is yours on Link winning. Fortunately, I can provide feats with my opinion that help prove Sora can indeed win.
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Link. Let's use the most Popular one: Twilight Princess Link (because he's the best t combat and OoT is overrated). He's not as fast as Sora and he can't use magic, but he is MUCH stronger. Yes Sora cut a building in half. A building made of dark energy, which is one of the only things the Kyeblade can cut. He also killed a castle-dragon thing. Again, made of the stuff the Keyblade is made for killing. Meanwhile Link has a real weapon: A sword. A sword that can kill anything that it's used on because IT'S A FUCKING MAGIC SWORD! On his own, TP Link can throw raging goats and huge gorons. (Don't need any strength powerup here!) He's agile enough to dodge a raging boar monster coming out of weird portal things, he can counter anything Sora has with the Hidden Skills, and he's an expert with all his weapons. The only edge Sora has is magic, which Link has dealt with before.
So again, Link wins.
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Not as fast as Sora is an understatement, seeing as Sora can move literally faster than the player can see.
Link has lifting strength, not striking strength.
Those buildings were completely solid. And the world that never was is neither dark nor light.
Cool lifting feats, not striking feats.
That boar monster that's huge and nowhere near as fast as Sora, who's much more maneuverable than and agile than Link?
His hidden skills require him to be able to react faster than Sora. Not happening.
Soras edges are magic, speed, striking strength, reaction time. As for Soras magic itself, Magnet can easily toss Link in the air for a kill, Reflect can tank any of Links attacks and reflect the damage back.
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Really? No striking strength? Tell that to the Darknuts, various giants, fucking cannons and the ball and chain. Every one of those requires a lot of strength to block and counterattack (or use in the case of B&C)
And Sora moving faster than the player can see isn't really a valid argument, as you can only see so much on the screen at one time. The times that Sora's blitzed around the whole area while apparently warping? He was just off-screen.
But it WAS all built by Xehanort, who makes literally all of his creations out of what? Oh yeah, Darkness! So the world may not be darkness, but it has the same properties.
Second verse same as the first.
Yeah. Your point? He still hits like a fucking tank. And you can block him with ease.
Well that's what the shield bash is for. Reaction commands can't activate if you've been staggered.
No, Sora's edges are Square Enix hax. And he's always weakened whenever the plot demands it soooooooo... Your points are moot. Sorry, but if a character isn't consistent in their feats, then their feats can't be taken at face value. And before you say "but Link is inconsistent too!" No he's not. In each of his games, he remains the same character. He gets stronger and better at fighting and STAYS that way! He doesn't suddenly lose all ability because some twit in the plot said so.
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Poorly worded on my part, but I was pointing out how lifting strength and striking strength are different.
And what we do see are plenty of reaction commands of Sora moving fast enough to dissapear.
The building cutting feats take place in the Kingdom Hearts that Xenmas ( a nobody who's element is NOthingness) created.
You block the boar with the help of Mida, and the point wasn't the boars strength but its speed.
Shield Bash is also only usefull if Link happens to be faster than Sora, which he isn't.
Plot induced stupidity exists. Sora rarely fights in proper cutscenes and those that he does are relatively around his level of strength. Most inconsistencies happen between different games, and are well justified. Kh1 his journey begins, CoM has him lose his memories, KH2 he's been asleep for a year so plenty of atrophy could have happened, Codedd is a data version of Sora, 3D has him back in his KH1 body and purposefully forgetting his abilities to start fresh. THe SOra I stick to is his KH2 incarnation since his feats in 3D involve him being in dream worlds, making them harder to qualify.
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Okay, fair enough. However you ARE aware that lifting strength and striking strength are very similar, right? Both require the use of arms in very much the same way. The only difference is how the muscles flex and contract, but we're getting into seriously nitpick-y territory there so we'll leave it at that. So comparing them is kinda pointless. And I'd also like to point out that Sora frequently loses to or stalemates against other human characters (See KH1 and a few instances of KH2 for that), so either everybody else is as ridiculously overpowered as Sora, or his magical OP "fucking everywhere at once" skills are weakened when fighting human opponents.
As for the boar, you can block it with just your shield. Pretty sure anyways. Haven't really checked since the GameCube version so I really wouldn't know too much. But my point being Link can react and avoid creatures of magical nature with great ease. A lot of the boss fights aren't too different from KH except for the way you fight them. Both series have huge hulking monsters that move around at near-supersonic speeds and require a lot of smacking with a lump of metal in order to be killed. And if Link can react to lightning and light itself (the various tennis matches in the Zelda series. It's canon that they move much slower in the games in order to make the game fair because counterattacking ACTUAL lightning would be too difficult for the player. The various EU stuff and they Hystoria, to a certain extent, clarifies this.)
My main point being Sora has a lot of inconsistent bullshit hax and probably wouldn't win if we took bits from EVERY source each of them have. Ihonestly think the Birth By Sleep trio is stronger than Sora by far. Unfortunately I have no idea who could fight Link to replace Sora. I also dunno who we could put them in a fight against if we went away from the whole Zelda vs Kingdom Hearts debate.
Thank you for being civil through all of this.
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They have some similarities, but I'd say they are different enough to not be too interchangeable, especially since a strike is more about the weight and the speed swung, and lifting strength would allow the user to move a weapon faster. And it should be farely relevant somewhat as Link has had items in the past that can affect his lifting strength but not his striking one. Also relevant since this Link here happens to be the strongest physically in the series.
Given that characters are different from their canon counterparts (and alot of the humans are enhanced by evil magic in the first place) them being magically OP is a fair claim. Even characters on your side are affected by this, besides the obvious trio of Donald Goody and Mickey. The summon characters had a strong enough will to survive their worlds destruction as gems. Beast had enough strength of will to survive his own worlds destruction period. Skellington can access elemental spells, etc etc.
I don't think it's possible to block his boar form. I don't recall anything in the Hystoria claiming that the tennis attacks move at actual lightning speeds. And the Historia is the only canon source outside of the games as far as I know.
My point is that most of the inconsitancies are justified as storywise interferences. And those that happen within single games are either Plot Induced Stupidity (Sora's great and clever in battles. Not so smart outside of them) or he fights people near/above his level.
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Wait, the mangas and crap aren't canon? Well. There goes my reaction speed argument then. Still, my pride as a Zelda fanboy refuses to let me back down.
So instead we'll stop talking about that and move on to something else because we'll just be going around in circles all day. Out of the BBS trio, which do you think is the strongest?
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I don't think they are, they're too inconsistent from the canon, and nothing that happened exclusively in the manga is brought up in Hyrule Historia. other than the prequel manga which is also probably non-canon, but written by the same author.
Strongest...hmmm well I don't know. Aqua is a good contend or. Might not be as physically strong as Terra, but she was the one chosen to be a keyblade master. Plus her specializing in magic is a great advantage, epsecially with magic becoming more and more OP as the series goes on. Hell, she literally recreated the land of departure into castle oblivion.
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Sooooo... Ventus doesn't even get a mention?
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Hmmm I'm not too well versed on Ventus. Most of what I know of that Trio comes from reading as I've never played BBS. That'll change when 1.5 + 2.5 come out for the ps4 though.
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Okay, neat. Basically he's the nimble DPS guy who can take about 5 shots to the face before death. Terra's the tank with no dodge invincibility frames and Aqua's the squishy wizard. You'll play through all 3 of their stories anyways but I figured I'd tell you their playstyles so you could play your favorite style first.
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Link fighting Sora is no different than Link fighting Cloud.
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It is. And If you are referring to DeathBattle, please, that episodes been proven wrong already.
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Their info is logical and has been represented faithfully in the videos. I guess your just made that your fav character just got defeated by Link.
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Not really since Link is my favorite of those two. And logical? A lot of their info is badly presented.
Link being a tactical genius? His ONLY combat intelligence feats comes from finding very obvious weaknesses in monsters. These weaknesses are easily found by the player as well.
Ten generations of experience? Never proven in the games that Link retains all the knowledge and skills of his past lives. If he did, then why is TP Link being taught hidden skills by the Heroe's Shade (MM Link)? Why don't all Links know skyward strike? Why does Spirit Tracks Link not know the Hurricane Spin, when WW Link was taught it twice?
Link having faster reaction time? The only evidence they used was a gameplay mechanic. One that only allows him to face opponents. One that doesn't compensate for him being able to react to Cloud, whom we've actually seen capable of reacting to bullets and bullet speed attacks.
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You seem to have a good point, but I'm still going for Link in this battle.
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How so? Sora is simply far too fast for Link. One reaction command has him capable of moving fast enough that everything (including lightning magic) seems to have stopped. Others show Sora moving fast enough to look as if he were teleporting. More show him moving and slicing through giant buildings fast enough to appear on the otherside, before the buildings even collapse.
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Well, thanks for crushing my hopes.
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Sora, speed is too much for link, strength ... Sora bitch smacks Herkulies (I know I spelled it wrong), Durability, far outweighs link. He has also defeated gods before, that and you think that anyone who survives Xemans can be beaten by this primitive ... no just .... NO. Link vs Xemnas ... Xemnas kills him with a yawn.
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