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Taxbane [2014-03-27 14:00:08 +0000 UTC]
What created the process of evolution?
Also, humankind is already acting as a "creator" as we genetically modify plants, microorganisms, and even cloning animals now days... Just as microorganisms cannot fathom their origins, let alone show each other scientific evidence of it, the same applies with humankind.... we just don't have the capacity to physically comprehend the big picture, we can only observe and opinionate as to the minutia of the infinite universe that we current experience.
Evolution and Creationism are not mutally exclusive concepts, as anything created can be modified later (evolve/adapt/mutate).
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Schatten-Drache In reply to Taxbane [2014-03-31 10:39:41 +0000 UTC]
I have to agree, but we just have to look at the blueprints/DNA and take a look if it looks like someone made it or if it looks like pure random and a lot of time and selection created it.
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Schatten-Drache In reply to Taxbane [2014-04-01 00:06:14 +0000 UTC]
Let's assume it would be designet with a scrappy code and a lot of bugs (deformations of those unlucky mutants) shouldn't we at least rename it into unintelligent design?
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KidSapiens [2013-03-04 00:33:04 +0000 UTC]
We won't need gods when we BECOME gods.
MAD SCIENCE FOR THE WIN!
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Beauty-Vintage-Me [2012-10-15 07:27:34 +0000 UTC]
okay okay... there are absolutely NO facts supporting evolution! At all. There is nothing 100% true besides gravity,etc but nothing besides those lines. Sure creationism is theory but so is evolution. It is not a fact, it is not a true law and it never will be. It just doesn't make sense to me. Maybe I am normal or something but more facts point to creationism than evolution. Seems to me than people are getting evolving mixed up with ADAPTING. There is a big difference. Okay, so I evolved from slime you say? Okay. So millions of years go by, ya da ya da... and there is a monkey from slime... hmm... doesn't make sense. How does a llama have a bear look alike? I don't see any resemblance. You also need to notice that the "men in lab coats" are relying on their popularity to get their ideas realized. To me, humans are not the wisest things you know. How can we say our ideas are higher than anything else? Animals are less sinful than we are yet the creator prefers us above all but yet we say that whatever we say goes? No logical to me. But of course, you can trust all the men in white you want but I think we have no idea what we are talking about. We don't know what happened, we never will until we go home.
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Schatten-Drache In reply to Beauty-Vintage-Me [2012-10-15 09:18:23 +0000 UTC]
Okey, suporting facts about evolution;
dog/wolf differences - it's man made
leg-bones of whales
different skin colors of humans
sickle-cell disease
and those are just the obvious ones
What has evolution to do with gravity? Besides we don't understand gravity as much as biology... ask any phyican of your choice....
What do you understand when you say Theory? I do this;
A scientific theory is "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment." Scientists create scientific theories from hypotheses that have been corroborated through the scientific method, then gather evidence to test their accuracy. As with all forms of scientific knowledge, scientific theories are inductive in nature and do not make apodictic propositions; instead, they aim for predictive and explanatory force.
-Wikipedia
So it must be unintelligent design, because of all those cripple & handicapped persons I meet in my past job....
...or did they addapt those traits?
I don'st say you evolved from slime, I say you evolved from an ape like creature, this evolved out of an ape, that evolved out of an ape-lemur and that evolved out of an lemur and that happend in BILLION of years
How does a llama have a bear look alike? Never saw a llama looking like a bear - but maybe homologous evlution is what you mean? [link]
I don't see any resemblance. You also need to notice that the "men in churches" are relying on their popularity to get their ideas realized.
To me, humans are not the wisest things you know. Yes, I know!
We don't say our Ideas are higher than others, we say- that we tested them, and as far as we know, it looks like it explains everything we see - does creationism do the same or does it just say 'god did it - belive us - we know it better!"
Animals are less sinfull? That one was good! Do you know Bonobos? They do nothing but fukcing each other, litterally - but male elephants are worse - in africa they jump on rhinos and kill them when they do that - i doupt they care for the rhino gender, ants do nothing but war, yellow lions kill their white offspring, because they are white, sure - they don't know how to do weapons - but that's the main difference
No logical to me. But of course, you can trust all the men out of the church you want but I think they have no idea what we are talking about.
Besides darwin himself made clear how evolution could be marked as lie - by finding one single organ that couldn't be explained by evolution but exist - the church failed nearly 200 years of finding that one single organ..
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Lonewalker789 [2011-06-06 01:48:12 +0000 UTC]
mwahahaha!!!!!!! X3
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Titanium-Zen [2011-02-26 17:08:24 +0000 UTC]
Only Humans can Created things that are wired, life dose it's own thing
But awesome stamps lmao
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Schatten-Drache In reply to EbolaSparkleBear [2011-02-01 09:46:46 +0000 UTC]
killerbees was just a breedingexperiment - that's not genetic, that's like let a donkey mate with a horse, and that was made since the first donkey meet the first horse
The only difference with that bees was that some people bring the european bee and the african bee together in america... realy much genetic...
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EbolaSparkleBear In reply to Schatten-Drache [2011-02-01 20:20:26 +0000 UTC]
Killer Bees is still genetic. Just because it's not all done in a petri dish doesn't mean the genetic manipulation should be overlooked.
'New' species that are built from the ground up will still be using the framework from existing species as a foundation.
The only way you're going to get a totally unique creation is if you abandon the template for life as we know it.
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Schatten-Drache In reply to EbolaSparkleBear [2011-02-01 20:34:01 +0000 UTC]
If you call killerbees genetic, nromal breeding would be genetic, too - and that would make genetic a natural thing that wouldn't be bad (actually i like your definition)
but up to the text in tjhe stamp, it should be "designed" - that would mean you know what you do - and don't let it just happen
sure, they would use old species as reference - until our knowledge allows us to create a compleat new species
And in the last case - you would have to make a new definition of life, because if we would make it compleatly new - it wouldn't match to oour definition.
And that's the point where robots and simulated life start to become interesting - it is as high evolved as the first bacterias billions of years ago
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TitanoRex [2010-08-17 17:26:40 +0000 UTC]
Evolution revolution
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TaytheCat [2010-05-13 23:36:22 +0000 UTC]
Sorry to break it to you, but Creation is real.. evolution is not.
God created us all, and he has always existed. It's obvious evolution is fake anyways.
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EbolaSparkleBear In reply to TaytheCat [2011-02-01 01:05:36 +0000 UTC]
Sorry to break it to you but you god is fake and the book you profess to be 'his' word is copied and ripped off from previous cultures.
That goes hand in hand with the total lack of evidence that would even slightly suggest a god existed.
It's all fake and all believers are dopes.
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TaytheCat In reply to EbolaSparkleBear [2011-02-01 01:06:55 +0000 UTC]
Well, believe what you want. c:
Though I strongly disagree.
This discussion was over with a long time ago. Bye bye.
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EonOrteaShadowmaster In reply to TaytheCat [2010-11-14 18:41:13 +0000 UTC]
Evolution is proved by a multitude of things. Genetic similarities, physical similarities, the fossil record (which, while incomplete, is still fairly convincing), the fact that scientists can use the theory of evolution to make correct predictions...
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TaytheCat In reply to EonOrteaShadowmaster [2010-11-14 19:48:32 +0000 UTC]
No, you think that proves it.
God created everything, the end. (:
And no need to continue a conversation that started and ended a while ago
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Titanium-Zen In reply to TaytheCat [2011-02-26 17:05:23 +0000 UTC]
No i wasn't created By god i was created by.....well....i dont know D8 the air? probs or something i donno wired huh?
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TaytheCat In reply to Titanium-Zen [2011-02-26 18:27:22 +0000 UTC]
Listen, will you leave this conversation alone?
I will believe what I want, believe what you want.
Bye
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Titanium-Zen In reply to TaytheCat [2011-02-27 12:46:14 +0000 UTC]
Ok didn't mean that you can say your stuff on this stamp coz thats what we Believed in only i Believe in my self....to draw
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EonOrteaShadowmaster In reply to TaytheCat [2010-11-15 07:16:58 +0000 UTC]
You can't just throw evidence out the proverbial window just because it happens to contradict an ancient story (with all due respect towards your religion). Evolution is verifiable and falsifiable. It can be, and has been, tested. Creation, on the other hand, is untestable and cannot be proved or disproved. Therefore, I cannot see it as fact.
Furthermore, saying "God did it, the end" is a useless explanation. It does not tell us how things work, it does not tell us what they are or why they are, as opposed to scientific theories, which do quite a good job at that. It is a lazy answer, saying "We're not meant to understand anything about it, so we may as well give up". That is not the way to learn. That is not the way to make progress.
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TaytheCat In reply to EonOrteaShadowmaster [2010-11-15 15:25:47 +0000 UTC]
I hate telling you again, but I didn't want this conversation to start again. c:
You'll see soon that God created everything... and there's nothing more that needs to be said.
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EonOrteaShadowmaster In reply to TaytheCat [2010-11-16 12:45:14 +0000 UTC]
Nevertheless, what about all of the evidence that points towards evolution? You can't just ignore that.
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TaytheCat In reply to EonOrteaShadowmaster [2010-11-16 15:11:26 +0000 UTC]
Listen, I'm not going to fight this with you anymore.
I honestly respect what you believe, and I wish just to leave this be. Alright?
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EonOrteaShadowmaster In reply to TaytheCat [2010-11-16 18:46:17 +0000 UTC]
Of course. Your religion and beliefs are none of my business, and you are perfectly entitled to them. Facts are another matter, of course, which is why I confronted your statement.
This wasn't a fight, by the way. We were comparing knowledge. I wasn't being hostile.
Don't feel like debating? Fine by me, but you should have thought of that before commenting in a place like this.
Have a good day.
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TaytheCat In reply to EonOrteaShadowmaster [2010-11-16 23:34:56 +0000 UTC]
Listen, I regret ever posting that, ok? I have learned a lot since then, and I don't do those kind of things anymore.
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Sekele In reply to TaytheCat [2010-06-30 15:37:05 +0000 UTC]
prove it!
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TaytheCat In reply to Sekele [2010-06-30 20:19:45 +0000 UTC]
I already did xD
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Sekele In reply to TaytheCat [2010-06-30 21:41:57 +0000 UTC]
no you didn't
you just kept-on rambling nonsense without any rime or reason
evolutionism has proof, creationism doesn't
evolution was actually witnessed and documented on several occasions
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TaytheCat In reply to Sekele [2010-06-30 21:42:58 +0000 UTC]
Actually, it's the other way around.
Creationism has proof, evolution doesn't.
And if you really believe that, then show me proof.
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Sekele In reply to TaytheCat [2010-06-30 22:31:55 +0000 UTC]
ok, so let's rock
First we have to establish what evolution is (since I assume you don't know the basics - otherwise we wouldn't be here)
Evolution is a process by which a species changes over generation as a result of selection.
This may be caused naturally by the environment and it's conditions, or may be caused by humans as a result for selective breeding.
The natural direction is more common.
Basically each specimen (read as individual animal) of a species is born with it's unique individual traits.
Most often than not these differences don't do much, but often can make a difference.
If this individual characteristic is making it harder to survive in it's environment (like white fur in a forest, or having weak legs) there are high chances the animal will die before being able to pass it's traits to it's descendants.
If these characteristic however help the subject (like having white fur in an Arctic environment, or being a good swimmer) the subject will live longer and have more descendants carrying these traits and having an advantage over their peers
This way the species adapts to it's environment
When the conditions change, so does the way of evolution.
The human caused direction is basically when humans choose which traits a species should have, and then helping the subjects with these traits to have more descendants (like the ability to lay more eggs, or grow more wool)
Now with this stuff out of the way (which is something everyone with a grade-school education should know about), let's go to the actual proofs.
1st
The development of immunity to antibiotics amongst bacteria.
This is an issue that has been plaguing doctors for the past several years - bacteria have become resistant to antibiotics.
This is a great example of evolution in work!
In a normal environment, bacteria with characteristics that would help them survive the use of antibiotics would be very rare. The other non-resistant bacteria were still more plentiful and would take-up space preventing the resistant mutations from spreading much further due to lack of space and resources.
But now look at what happens when we add anti-biotic.
All the bacteria die, except for a few of those whose different characteristics helped them to survive.
Now with all the other bacteria dead, the survivors have no competition and can reproduce as much as possible - passing on their resistance.
Repeat that, and you have a species of bacteria against whom even the strongest anti-biotic prove useless.
[link]
2nd
I'll use a more down-to-earth example here
The dingo
When settlers came to Australia, they brought their dogs. Some of them went feral and were forced to live in the harsh environment of Australia. As a result, a new species arose from the guard, hunt and shepherd dogs originally brought on the island.
This can in fact be applied to most of the species that went feral.
If you compare them to their domestic counterparts, you'll find out that they are of a completely different breed.
3rd
The exact same thing can be said about the opposite process.
Domestication is a great example of human-caused evolution.
Just look at the many breeds of dogs and cattle. The different kinds of grain and fruit. The history of these is often very well documented even centuries back
Some of them don't even resemble each other any-more (seriously, just look at how different a rottweiler and a chihuahua are)
These all came from a common ancestor, but due to different characteristics being supported in their various bloodlines, often radically different variations arose.
Now that we can see that evolution is real and how it happens around us on a daily basis, it suddenly isn't so hard to see how all the worlds species walked down this path for eons and grew into the various forms they are now.
The fossil records are natures own documentation of this long process.
As you see, there is indeed evidence for evolution, and even everyday examples of it!
I hope you appreciate the effort I underwent for someone like you.
I's clearly much more than you ever did.
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TaytheCat In reply to Sekele [2010-06-30 23:00:03 +0000 UTC]
I read the whole thing, and I still completely. You aren't gonna change my mind, you know. And that doesn't prove anything.
Here is something from the Bible to help you out:
1In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
3And God said,"Let there be light," and there was light. 4And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. 5God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.
6And God said,"Let there be an expanse[a] in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters." 7And God made the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse from the waters that were above the expanse. And it was so. 8And God called the expanse Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day.
9And God said, "Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear." And it was so. 10God called the dry land Earth,and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good.
11And God said, "Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, on the earth." And it was so. 12The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their own kinds, and trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 13And there was evening and there was morning, the third day.
14And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons,and for days and years, 15and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth." And it was so. 16And God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars. 17And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18 to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19And there was evening and there was morning, the fourth day.
20And God said, "Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the heavens." 21So God created the great sea creatures and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22And God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth." 23And there was evening and there was morning, the fifth day.
24And God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds—livestock and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to their kinds." And it was so. 25And God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds and the livestock according to their kinds, and everything that creeps on the ground according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
26Then God said,(O) "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
27So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
28And God blessed them. And God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth." 29And God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. 30And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food." And it was so. 31 And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.
Genesis 2
The Seventh Day, God Rests
1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done. 3So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.
Genesis 1 and 2:1-3
That's what really happened. It doesn't happen by accident or chance, it happened because God created it. The things on this earth are to complex to happen by chance. And you know? I know about evolution, I went to public school for many years until this year, where I went to private school. So if you could imagine, I have been learning about evolution for years. And one of our lessons in science was about evolution, not to believe in it, to see how unbelievable it is. I go to a Christian school, so unlike my other schools I have friends who actually agree and know that creation is real, and so is God.
Now, I want you to explain to me the Law of Biogenesis.
Actually, let me.
It means that one living organism can come from another living organism.
Evolution defies that law completely.
Just let me finish by saying that there is one thing that you need to believe to be saved.
You must believe that Jesus is the son of God and that his blood saved you.
Look how much effort i didn't put into this.
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TaytheCat In reply to EbolaSparkleBear [2011-02-01 23:14:41 +0000 UTC]
You honestly don't know what you are talking about~
Just leave it be, ok?
You believe what you want.
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EbolaSparkleBear In reply to TaytheCat [2011-02-02 00:22:08 +0000 UTC]
Religion is fake and for the weak minds who believe they're special and get to live forever if they follow an imaginary person's code of conduct.
Your religion is ripped off from other religions, all you have to do is look at the FACTS. But you can't and won't because doing that means learning the truth.
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Sekele In reply to TaytheCat [2010-07-01 09:30:35 +0000 UTC]
updating my previous statement
even if first life didn't originate from chemical reactions, it STILL does not rule-out evolution
In fact, once again it just supports it
All the worlds lifeforms still originate from one common ancestor and have acquired their various shapes and traits as a result of adapting to external conditions.
Therefore the law of Biogenesis DOES NOT rule out Evolution, but it DOES rule-out creationism!
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TaytheCat In reply to Sekele [2010-07-01 18:18:13 +0000 UTC]
Can't you see?
God is self-existing, God created Adam and Eve, and we come from them.
And it does not. Some people claim we started as bacteria, bacteria is not living.
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