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(Lame Stamp is lame. Also this is not harping on about non-fatal vore. I'm fine with it. I just find it rather pointless myself.)So be warned this is a rant about the term Endo-Vore. A term used to describe non-fatal vore.
OK so who the heck coined this term. Endo-vore. That is the dumbest name for non-fatal vore anyone could have created. Have they ever even opened a dictionary? Endo refers to something that is inside or within. It comes from the Greek word endon which literally means within. That doesn't make it sound like non-fatal vore that makes it sound like the predator swallows a person and then tiny mouths attached to the walls of their stomach continue the hunt within by trying to snap at that already swallowed character.
And if they were thinking its because the prey ends up inside that it fits then I have news for you. It doesn't. Literally every vorarephilic depiction involves the predator drawing the prey inside them one way or another. That makes it all endo.
I mean I guess the term could be applied to absorption instead but even that doesn't really work. Seriously who ever came up with the term is a numnut and I'd like to see what morons thought the term was so amazing that it should be repeatedly used until it stuck. Do you weirdos even English!
Sorry I really needed to get that off my chest. OK I'm not sorry at all. That was fun to type.
If you have any complaints feel free to scream at me. If you manage to come up with a reasonable counterargument that makes logical sense then that would be pretty impressive actually.
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Looked up 'endo vore' because I wasn't totally sure what it meant besides non-fatal and this was the first result. I couldn't be happier. This was amazing.
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Well thanks very much. I like ranting about various aspects within the fetish community. And I feel being a part of it lends more weight to my rants as opposed to the usual outsider ranting about how stupid fetishes are.
Critique and criticism is important to help shape and grow things. Help nurture a community. This includes casting out nonsensical terminology that just confuse people.
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Agreed. Generally having the community critique and fix itself is better than others trying to butt in and change it, haha.
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And others will inevitably still do that. And they may still have good criticism to share. All that is fine. But yes criticism works best when it comes from someone already knowledgeable about that community.
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Yep, exactly.
And criticism can be fun, too, like this rant. Was very enjoyable, haha.
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Certainly glad to hear it. I really love giving out criticism that might help people. Especially in the field of worldbuilding which is my main pool of knowledge (that and biology XD).
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Mhm! I've been working on my knowledge of worldbuilding as a writer. Personally I'm more of a chemist than a biologist, although I do have a fair amount of biology in my head, haha. It's a cool field!
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Yeah. I have a bit of an interest in chemistry myself. It's quite an interesting field. Chemistry and biology do overlap a lot so its not surprising we'd both have knowledge in either field.
I've never been much of a writer. Its definitely far from an easy skill to learn. I've always been much more of a visual artist.
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Mhm! I've been mainly thinking of going into chemical engineering, but biochem could be a really cool field too. I took college chem and bio the next year, and it was super neat seeing how they overlap.
Fair! I've gotten in lots of practice writing because of schools that encourage it, and I have a good time with it, so I've tried to hone that skill. It's gone fairly well. I'm trying to improve my art as well, but I'm definitely a stronger writer, haha.
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Yeah that all makes sense. I certainly wish you the best of luck in your career path.
One thing that bugs me is the misunderstanding that writing is easier than visual art. Its honestly far from it. Having to know an insane amount of rules on top of then figuring out all the intricacies of how the story unfolds and how the characters interact while being careful not to allow for plot holes and or immersion breaks that take people out of the story.
Its certainly far from easy. Especially considering people new two it could spend hours on what amounts to the writing equivalency of a stick figure.
Also on a side note I must say my scientific knowledge has really helped a lot with a great amount of my worldbuilding.
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Thanks! You too!
Oof, yeah. Art and writing both have their complexities, but I agree that writing is harder. Reading a TON helps, but even then, it's sooooo easy to start breaking conventions left and right. I'm good at the rules, but story intricacies and characters are still hard for me. I tend to hyper focus on one or two parts of them, which can cause problems for the rest of the story. Plus, writing a long story gets super difficult when you know what the ending is and want to jump to it, but that causes an immersion break and makes your character development unreliable and unrealistic.
I always try to encourage people to keep on writing, even if their story is stick figure quality. If you don't practice you'll never improve. At the same time, though, if all you ever practice is stick figures, that's all you'll be able to draw, or write in this case. I try to give people honest critiques where I can to help them break out of that loop, but so many writers (ESPECIALLY ones involved in fetishes, transformation is a huge one for this) get caught up in writing effectively the same story over and over. Small buildup to the part with the fetish, long, heavy description of it, and minor falling action. That's all, and they all read the exact same way, but because you're focused on the fetish part, you don't notice. That's why I try my best to get out of that pattern and do more unique stuff. On DA, though, the majority of writers just fall into that pattern and never leave it.
Mhm! Having a good understanding of science and the way the world works is really helpful for worldbuilding. It can even be helpful when you're breaking the rules - making insane magic worlds can still follow rules, even if nothing makes sense on the surface.
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Indeed. Definitely a trap one needs to avoid. Its the sort of thing that often bogs me down so outside of roleplay I don't really get into general story writing. Preferring instead to talk about the worlds themselves.
Indeed. It should also be noted that one should also recognise what art mediums are and aren't for them and get out of them as quickly as possible or you risk wasting valuable time on it (like painting is not in any way for me. So learning the skill would not be of any value to me). If you've found the fields you love stick with them so you can get better. Perhaps look at other's pieces and learn from them. Critiquing others works in turn helps you to realise the places where you can improve in your own.
Art progression is a balancing act. Always have pride in your work so you don't end up becoming your own worst enemy. Constantly beating yourself up over your skill. But don't develop to much pride to the point of becoming an egomaniac like those MSpaint artists whose work never improves over the course of years because they believe they're already perfect and shun all criticism.
Yeah. Most valuable aspect is knowing that the only likely fixed law of physics is conservation of energy. That energy can't be created or destroyed. Going off of this as long as I hold to that I can establish my own variant laws of physics and my own magic systems and they'll fit within the world and make the world more believable. Which then adds to the immersion.
My knowledge of biology also helps me change and shape things to suit my needs morphologically too. Such as vore. Come up with numerous explanations for vore or enhanced flatulence production in my worlds.
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Yeah, it usually affects me to, but I try to push through that to still do the story writing. I enjoy getting the worlds I discuss out onto paper for other people to read and see.
Working on skills that aren't for you is definitely an issue. I've been considering whether or not art is for me, but I want to stick with it to have another medium to get out my imagination, and it works out okay. In general it's hard to tell whether or not a skill is something you should learn until you do it, haha.
Oof, yep. I usually tilt towards the more self critical side of things, always trying to improve and meet my own high standards. Been trying to do less of that and appreciate the art I do make. Better than being an MSpaint artist who can't do anything though, haha.
Yeah, stuff like that! Knowing certain laws of physics is super helpful. You can even just change one law without changing the others and build the magic system off of that. I know someone - another dragon who likes vore, haha - who has characters that exist in 4 dimensions. The abilities are all based off of the four primary forces of the universe. We even discussed one based on Schrodinger's Cat - a dragon that doesn't have an ability or trait until someone perceives it as existing as such. Science just makes worldbuilding so much fun! It can also be entertaining to just ignore all of it and build insane, nonsensical magic junk, but I don't often do that, eheh.
Biology definitely helps for this sort of thing, haha. Personally, I think the explanations people find for vore are fascinating. It's really fun to see what they can come up with to make it a reality in their worlds. I personally don't enjoy flatulence, but I can respect that! Combined with vore, you could make some pretty well-done reasons for it. Like eating an organism, using most of it for nutrients, and then storing part of it to rot with specialized enzymes that increase the amount of methane and other gases produced by decomposition, which then translates to, as you said, enhanced flatulence production.
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I can certainly agree with that.
I hate panting with a burning passion. Its way too messy and cleaning up is a nightmare. I reserve myself to pencil, digital and clay as my primary mediums. I also write lore pages around the worlds I depict. So I do still end up doing a lot of writing. Or well... Typing.
I've actually long held a close to perfect balance. I'm highly critical of everything I make. But I also adore every piece I have made getting here. However cringy it may be. At least I can get a laugh out of it.
Indeed. Sulphur gasses like hydrogen sulfide. That's what you really want to make that flatulence extra potent. But heck I even find ways in lore to colour it.
As for vore. Yeas so many ways I've come up with to explain it. And when you have a proper magic system you can also build biology around these magics. Heck in my NSFW universe Lusterious I have a full biological structure thought out to explain penis vore. XD
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Yeah, painting isn't my favorite either. Same with charcoal, it's too messy. Really cool medium, but the dust is everywhere. I only do pencil - no drawing pad. I'd like to experiment with clay sculpting though. And typing is still writing, haha. Writing by hand is a much more arduous process.
That's good! It's really impressive that you've managed that, haha. Most people can't.
Colored farts? Pfffft, nice. That's pretty funny honestly.
And yeah! Magic systems and biology are great. I personally don't like NSFW stuff, but a full biological structure for that kind of vore is impressive and hilarious, haha.
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Indeed it is. And it wastes a lot of time one could be using for learning their other writing weaknesses.
I mostly use Crayola's Model Magic these days. Its light, easy to mould, air dries and precoloursed. So its very convenient. Not the strongest of materials so a mouse can certainly eat it. But it won't go shattering on the floor like a normal clay object would.
Yeah. Not sure its something I'll ever understand why though.
Colouring farts allows me to lend a lot more impact to such things So yeah. I often find a reason in lore for those colours to exist.
I'm pretty proud of that. The way most people depict penis vore makes me wonder if they actually know testicles exist honestly. Like its not just a bag of skin full of cum. XD
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Yeah, exactly.
I'll have to look into the Model Magic! Sounds like a useful material for a beginner, haha. Easy to use and air dries. Real clay is definitely cool but sometimes it's pretty inconvenient.
For a lot of us, it's just hard to find that balance because we've taught ourselves to hate everything we do. X3 For reals, though, anxiety and depression can damage it a LOT and make it super difficult.
Haha, fair enough. I wonder what the meaning behind a pink fart as opposed to a yellow fart is. Curious things. Reminds me of a species in a book I read - they were a sentient, evolved fungus, and they communicated through bursts of colored spores.
Yeeeeep. While I don't like NSFW stuff, I've seen some of it (in this community it's next to impossible to not), and it's pretty wacky. Zero attention to how bodies actually work. Which like, yeah, penis vore is pretty out there, but most people just kinda assume you can... suck... with it... and it just works. Plus no other anatomy besides the shaft. Most people just do it that way because they find it hot and don't want to go through all the other stuff since that's not the point of the drawing, eheh.
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I'm here because I googled "endo fetish" to figure out what that qualifier meant, and this explained it very nicely. Yeah that's lame, just say "non-fatal".
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Yup. Couldn't agree more. Safe vore could also be used and I do believe many do use both safe and non-fatal so I'm very happy about that.
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Not to criticize you but the last sentence of the second to last paragraph says "Do you weirdos even English!" not "Do you weirdos even know English!"
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Yup it does. Well spotted. This sentence is actually intentionally grammatically incorrect.
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I'm a pretty outspoken and opinionated individual. Can often lead to me butting heads with people. Nice to see you on DeviantART.
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The proper term is 'soft vore' if memory serves. Endo-vore makes no sense and there's absolutely no context to it, IMO.
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Soft vore these days refers to vore that doesn't show anything graphic. Honestly I like this distinction of soft vore and hard vore better than the original. I feel its better to divide them by how graphic they are than whether the prey lives or not.
The endo is derived from endosomatophilia. Which is a fetish revolving around wanting to be inside someone or have someone inside you. However shortening it to endo just doesn't work as I ranted about up there. I just use the term non-fatal. It makes sense and totally works. Its also not to long so even the lazy can viably use it.
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Because people kept trying to shove digestion into every old term then non-fatal, no digestion, no death people had to keep coming up with new terms to make it clear. I still go by non-fatal but it is a bit annoying when some people seem to just assume that means digestion with reformation is okay.... Without asking. So yeah, that's why we have such a weird term for it now.
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Yeah. As I have stated in an earlier comment I'd be fine if people used "endosoma" since like vore it is basically a meaningless word. And a meaningless word can then be given a meaning. Endo on the other hand is a well known term with meaning in everyday language and this just creates confusion and quite frankly also sounds really dumb as it (like I said in the actual rant) conflicts with vore as a whole.
Now I think its perfectly reasonable to use soft-vore to describe less gory or graphic depictions (whether or not the prey still dies) and hard-vore to depict the more mature and graphic aspect.
However digestion with reformation is technically not non-fatal. Since the body is destroyed death with a resurrection is still death. Common sense and logic can easily establish some set in stone terms that should only need to be changed if the words comprising their definitions change (which they obviously will in time but not for fair while).
Smaller communities means that words within those communities evolve faster without a solid definition. Giving them a solid definition ties them to everyday language which has more people speaking it. This presumably would slow their rate of mutation.
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I agree with most of what you said, I am just explaining why this happened and it also boils down to lazy people, endo is a lot easier to type then endosoma. You gotta consider the source after all.
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True. That said laziness never has an excuse. If one wants something shorter I'm sure there is something short that can serve as a replacement.
Capture vore might work. It doesn't conflict to much. Or maybe ampl (short for amplecti which is Latin for embrace) vore. Maybe even lectus (Latin for bed) vore could be a term we could use.
I dunno. I'm sure there is a suitable replacement out there.
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There probably is and yeah, laziness is never a good excuse but there's nothing we can do about it.
Capture vore wouldn't be bad at all, it doesn't give off the soft feeling as much but while those others I agree with and are nice, they are not easy to remember and people won't know the meaning behind them because it's not directly linked to vore or anywhere inside the body. People are picky....
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Yeah. And somehow I don't think fleshbed vore will go over well. XD
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Hehehe, well I see no issue with that~ But yeah, people probably won't accept that.
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And honestly that's good. Its good that people are picky. This is a whole community so nothing short of the best should be the thing that sticks.
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People keep changing the definitions of everything vore-related for quite sometime.
For example: Soft Vore, to the original Soft Vore community, is supposed to be vore without pain, death, digestion, etc. without the need of Respawning (or reformation as everybody calls it). It's supposed to be... you know... Soft. Like soft-core porn where it isn't that serious. Then newcomers show up and say "Yeah, let's add digestion and death to that" and it now means, to the new Soft Vore community, a vore scenario where the prey is harmlessly ingested but can be killed by digestion, asphixiation, drowning, etc. and the original term was changed to Non-Fatal Vore. But then some newcomers thought of the idea that the prey somehow respawning after dying in a vore-related scenario or being partially digested but survives means that the scenario is considered Non-Fatal, so that got added to the Non-Fatal Vore definition and the original term for Soft Vore once again needed a new identity. So they went with Endo Vore, Endosoma, Endosomatophilia, or just Endo. Turns out that it was being treated like the Fantastic Voyage, complete with people dying, so they tried changing the name of the original defintion, again, to Safe Vore. But then people got the idea that vore-related deaths with respawning counts as safe (even though the action counts as not-so-safe), and so the original term Soft Vore, again, needs a new defintion, and then it got the name "Extra Soft Vore".
Bottom line is: The definition, like every term, changes and depends on who is saying it. For me, when it comes to Soft Vore I stick to it's original protocol.
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Really. From what I have observed soft-vore means vore without anything gory or violent shown (chewing, visible digestion etc) while hard-vore was stuff that did show such content. Honestly I think it probably works best.
As for endo. Yeah I do know where it comes from and I'd be OK with people using "Endosoma" or any other derivative because like vore its a meaningless word in our language that people can give a meaning too. Endo is an already known term in our language that clashes with every single form of vorarephilic depiction. Hence it probably shouldn't be used at all.
I for one don't count respawning as safe. Even if the character comes back being digested is still very much painful.
I myself am less of a fan of reformation than I am of soft vore. Soft vore at least makes sense as a fun fetish activity. And while reformation has huge lore potential people never take it. They just say "it happens because magic" and turn it into a lame excuse to not lose their character.
If you don't want to lose your character that's fine but if you're going to roll with the idea actually put effort into it.
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I think it means non fatal vore where the prey lives in the predators stomach forever...that would be my only assumption.
Because regarding non fatal vore, the rest of the time, the prey exits through one way or another and therefore isn't inside the predator anymore.
Tell me if I make any sense at all.
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I honestly hear it used more for less long lasting cases. More so its probably derived from the vore subfetish Endosomatophilia but still if you're going to make a shortened term you should make sure it either makes absolutely no sense so that you can teach people what it means (like vore) or it still makes perfect sense with the specific thing you are depicting. Endo just clashes with every other variant of vore.
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[Insert screaming here]
(Sorry couldn't help myself 
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