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Esvandetta [2013-07-27 05:48:56 +0000 UTC]
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This was an.... okay tutorial for very rough beginners. Anyone who knows a decent amount could see this tutorial and say "No shit." several times. While there were parts of it that much to desire when it came to variety and diversity, the main idea and techniques given here will prove quite useful in the long run.
Most beginning artists don't understand it, but wrinkles/folds in art are technically sections of shadow and light very close to one another, much like you said. They create form, texture and balance in a way that a simple line can't capture, but you are missing something here. While you mentioned gravity in your drawings, you forgot about pressure, cloth on cloth, forces pulling on it in more ways than just down and several more things.
Also... you tried to be entertaining by being "funny". Frankly, the humor here only made me roll my eyes and prefer not to actually read. This would work for someone just having fun and not being one bit serious, but a mature person who is actually serious about learning would get little or nothing from this. In fact, if I was going to take this seriously, I would have stopped after cloth-chan. Cute idea originally, but overused and obnoxious.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, you had a general idea going here, but you ruined it by giving fluff over meat. I wish I would have gotten more out of this, such as the difference between a diaper fold and a spiral fold. One thing you could have added here that would have change the game entirely is a way to take normal pictures and make the folds/wrinkles in them more obvious and easy to see. That way, younger artists would say "Wow. I didn't know that." and then do it, thus learning over long term without you lifting a finger any further than this.
My advice is... try to be educational over entertaining. It may not seem like it, but that will get you much, much further in the long run.
Good luck to you,
~TLA
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Shattered-Earth In reply to Esvandetta [2013-07-27 18:16:11 +0000 UTC]
Although i thank you for your time in critiquing this i guess i'm confused because I think i've said many times this is for the very beginner? You mention photos and types of folds but I've already linked to a superior tutorial in my comments that covers those things XD..? Or did you not read the description at all?
I agree the humor is juvenile though, but a lot of people seem to like it and I am aiming it towards juveniles, so eh, i guess you'd be out numbered there. Maybe i should make no joke versions if i had time rofl.
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Esvandetta In reply to Shattered-Earth [2013-07-28 01:10:38 +0000 UTC]
I usually don't check out links to other things unless the initial deviation genuinely interested me. Also, they looked like just more tutorials by you or "advanced" classes once you got the idea, so I didn't bother to actually click on them. >___> I kinda wanna kick myself for that.
As for the point of you mentioning that it was for the very beginner, that was honestly unclear to me. I won't deny that I overlooked the short intro at the very top. I just got to the actual tutorial... I know most would see that as a flaw in my reading, but don't misunderstand that I didn't getΒ that it was the basics, that was clear enough from the title. I guess I was just expecting more than the raw, dead basics that most learn in elementary school art classes... or at least I did. I learned the principles given here (and then some) in 4th grade right alongside the color wheel... and I came from a pretty crappy school.
All in all, I do realized that I put my foot in my mouth on a couple of occasions ^__^". I hope that I wasn't too much of a jerkwad in my critique. I tried to be nice, I genuinely did. My feelings for the most part after reading it was "Isn't this common knowledge? I can understand that some people need to be reminded that everything is in 3D, but that should be only a section, not the entire tutorial. What's this person thinking? This is almost insulting for young artists."Β
I wasn't angry when I wrote it, so it's not emotionally charged. I was just confused and, to a degree, disappointed. Perhaps I'm expecting too much. :/
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Shattered-Earth In reply to Esvandetta [2013-07-28 02:34:31 +0000 UTC]
Well to put this in perspective, most people do not know what colors make purple. You might have learned this but most people haven't, Β just take a look at the comments on the deviation >_>
Further more, I made this after i had done over 150 redlines for a critique club, and i made it because i noticed this very issue in a lot of people's art. So maybe you think it's obvious, but i can tell you many people don't. And I've never seen it addressed in another tutorial to really make those people stop, and that's why i made this one. I can show you dozens on dozens of pictures where people just draw "V" folds and all those mistakes, and you can show them any number of tutorials on DA and they would still keep doing it because no one has told them to stop and think about things as they are like this.Β
Clearly you don't think of yourself as a beginner that needs this kind of help, so I'm not sure what to say since i feel like you were disappointed because you didn't read the text nor the description that has an advanced cloth tutorial for no beginners, neither of which are my fault??? Β XD lol..
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Esvandetta In reply to Shattered-Earth [2013-07-28 02:54:01 +0000 UTC]
*sigh* yes I read what you had to say in the tutorial... T___T I did whether you believe me or not. If I'm not mistaken, it sounds like you see me as a common internet troll who randomly clicks on deviations and verbally tears them apart without reading a single thing, am I right? I'm not accusing you of anything, I'm asking. Do you honestly think that?
I also critique heavily in a manga-related group where I don't see wrinkling at all. Period. If I do see wrinkling, the people are admins like myself and understand how to draw/paint/shade/value (whatever you want to call it) wrinkles correctly as well as add them in lineart as lines.Β While I am glad that you noticed this problem and you were willing to do so, I'm sorry to have insulted you, which I obviously have. If my critique insulted you that much, you should have simply rejected it.Β
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PhaedrasArts [2017-07-07 18:10:28 +0000 UTC]
Im not a begginer myself but I always knew something was off with my folds and fabric. This helped understad fabric a bit better! ThanxΒ Β PS: I liked that you tried to make it intrensting with naming the cloth etch. it makes the whole thing fun. sometimes Β seeing these things furstrates me but that way i was calmer. I don't know how to explain it better.
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Dracina [2016-06-11 23:00:30 +0000 UTC]
Thanks for this, I had to draw a character in a baggy hoodie and this helped me a lot in understanding how to make it wrinkly.
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TapodJointer [2015-01-25 12:36:49 +0000 UTC]
Thanks.
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HaileyMarshall [2014-12-30 18:52:11 +0000 UTC]
In note of the critique posted, I feel that all of what was mentioned was just a matter of opinion.
1.) Humor is disruptive - opinion
2.) Stating what is obvious - opinion
I believe that people who look at this will CLEARLY understand that it is for the very beginners. And even as a person who has a somewhat decent understanding of drawing, I find this to be very informative and actually enjoy the humor! You're never too old to do basics, and sometimes you need to go back to the beginning to gain a fresh start. Thank you for the informative tutorial!
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Zarras [2014-08-25 23:03:29 +0000 UTC]
Despite what the critique said, I think this tutorial is helpful and the humor is quite motivational in my eyes. Not everyone learns in the same way and some people like it serious, some like a little bit relief.
Now as for me, this tutorial helped me with the basic understanding of how folds work. It gives you the idea you need, to get into this topic further.
Ps: I laughed at the arm with the apple because that is exactly how I draw folds LOL.
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Shattered-Earth In reply to Zarras [2014-08-26 15:12:44 +0000 UTC]
Thanks for the support! I was a bit surprised that they thought no one drew like this, because i know i did when i started and many others as we can see from the comments. I'm glad this continues to help those who need it <3
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AlisMeisVolo [2014-07-16 21:29:51 +0000 UTC]
thank you for the great tutorials :3
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Aqua-1234 [2014-07-14 12:23:49 +0000 UTC]
I LOVE your tutorialsΒ Β
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Black-Card [2014-04-13 23:43:53 +0000 UTC]
Daw, damn, this is hard
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Codliet [2014-01-19 21:06:45 +0000 UTC]
Ahh thanks for this! Β I think it'll really help when I draw clothes now. XD <3
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NadiaHarumi [2013-09-22 10:52:04 +0000 UTC]
Yay! Thankiees
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osama13 [2013-08-17 00:54:25 +0000 UTC]
that was very helpful thanks
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RareBel [2013-08-05 20:23:32 +0000 UTC]
Poor Clothe-chan D:
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RareBel In reply to Shattered-Earth [2013-08-19 14:05:41 +0000 UTC]
I forgotten all about this comment even though I read this every-time I start having issues with folds.
So I was Like well thats rude. Then read what the comment was about lol. Love the clothe-chan doodle though.Β
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milkcosmos [2013-07-15 15:13:30 +0000 UTC]
*favs for Cloth-chan*
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VoidSauce [2013-04-09 18:19:14 +0000 UTC]
Oh... Oh mai. This. I needed this tutorial.
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VoidSauce In reply to Shattered-Earth [2013-04-11 16:57:17 +0000 UTC]
Me too... I need to stop using lines. XP
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Wavedrake [2013-04-01 20:17:20 +0000 UTC]
mind= expanded @_@ Gosh this makes me visualize folds so much better, and makes me look at even my own clothes now, and I can seeee the rolls and masses in them, this is great |D thank you for making it!
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petiteUlis [2013-04-01 10:54:07 +0000 UTC]
I realized a few times ago that lines have nothing real, they were drawn for comprehension purpose or style but not because they existed like that. You are the first one to say that lines are symbolic, I'm glad to see this in a tutorial at least.
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Riemea [2013-03-28 10:09:00 +0000 UTC]
Really great! I have huge problems with drawing folds, and this was super helpful, thanks!
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LoneWintress [2013-02-15 04:00:29 +0000 UTC]
wow i'm just going to look at this everyday now.
/bookmarks
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LoneWintress In reply to Shattered-Earth [2013-02-16 00:09:32 +0000 UTC]
I tried to draw my clothes wrinkles but I failed asldfkas;lk
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LittleCho [2013-01-29 16:45:06 +0000 UTC]
many thanks ^^
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