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Published: 2010-01-28 01:14:13 +0000 UTC; Views: 3411; Favourites: 82; Downloads: 44
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For .Uh... yeah so I'm still working on Christmas gifts. One more to go! I'll have it done by Easter... maybe.
Not doing this style again soon, but that's what I say every time I draw like this.
Character © Hyun
Art © Me
Texture © ~TheLotusPwns [link]
Edit: Improved the shoulder and the notebook rings, added more highlights.
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>.< I know how you feel, believe me!
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I really like this one. The colors are sweet and the details awesome.
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wooooooooow! I love the details on the scales!
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Beautiful dragon. I'm amazed by all those great details
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Thanks, I'm glad all the work on the detail shading paid off.
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This might explain the modest increase in pageviews on my page.
Every time I see something new from you, Siv, you're always doing something better than before. Are you a glutton for punishment, or do you genuinely enjoy drawing that many scales? 'Cause I have to say -- I really like them. This is probably the most detailed picture of him in existence.
As the others have pointed out, too, I really enjoy seeing the folds in the wing and ear membranes! 
Also, thanks for including a bunch of crumpled-up pieces of paper. That's exactly what a good writer does, and exactly what I need to do more often.
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Doing something better than before is improvement--I don't think there is an alternative to trying different things. And I loved placing all the scales and finding out cool patterns to place them in; it was the whole shading them one by one part that wasn't fun. It all started because I wanted to do a cross-hatch detailed sketch of the face, and the scales looked good so I just wanted to keep adding more and I didn't want to throw them away once they were there. I think cross-hatching everything would've been more fun and would've looked better...
And as I pointed out to them, the wings were really fun
The crumpled paper was random and I don't remember how I decided to do it. I'm glad you like it.
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Beautiful job on this. It'd be too bad if you didn't draw this style again, because it really has amazing results! Though I guess it might be a pain and a half to use... XD
I sure hope this isn't the size you drew this picture at! O.O It sure would be amazing to see it larger, for sure.
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Thanks! Yeah, I'll draw like this sometime in the future. I like the shading results, but I think I want to get better at initial sketching and composition before doing something like this again...
Original size is ~4600px wide and you would see ugly messy brush strokes at that scale.
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Heh, yeah, it's amazing how much a more solid sketch can impact the easiness of a particular drawing style. Of course, a better sketch can take a really long time to do, depending on how you have to do it. XD
Wow, that's huge. O.O I don't understand how people have the patience to work at that size - or how their computers don't roll over and die as a result. XD Still, I personally like to see larger pictures, brush strokes or no. But it doesn't make a really big difference.
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But getting better at sketching overall means that they're both faster to make and better...
It started at a tiny size, like 1000px, then I needed more and more for detail. I'm surprised my computer wasn't dying from it, yeah.
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Quite true. And you can start including more details in your sketches that will take some of the work away from the actual drawing process.
That's good, at least - I would not want to try and draw a sketch at 4000 pixels! O.O
What program do you use? I use GIMP, but even though my computer is pretty good, is struggles if I go above 3000 px. I wonder if Photoshop is better with large pictures.
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I use GIMP, but I work in Linux where it runs a whole lot faster. If you're up for an adventure or hate Windows, go try to install Ubuntu. It's complicated to install if something doesn't work perfectly, but it's worth it.
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Hmm, I didn't know the difference in speed between Linux and Windows would be that significant for GIMP. Though I'd be more apt to believe it with the Vista that I'm running.
I'll probably end up getting Linux at some point anyways, since it's a better environment for coding and such, but I haven't bothered to make my laptop a dual-booting machine. XD
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I've installed Linux on several computers (3 distros, 4 computers) but it's been different every time and it's never been smooth or consistent to install. But yes, GIMP was made in Linux for Linux and it's faster for me at least... don't know why. It could be the lack of background processes.
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Computers are weird that way, I guess. XD That seems really weird though. Why wouldn't Linux be more straightforward to install?
That makes sense. Use an open-source program on an open-source OS. XD I think Linux is better at using hardware graphics acceleration or something. However Windows does it isn't as efficient.
Or something.
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Well, it tries to be straightforward. If it all works and everything you have is compatible, it takes 15 minutes and everything is perfect. But Windows usually kills your bootloader and decides that its boot loader is better the first time, so you have to reinstall GRUB. Then installing Linux will have totally fragmented your Windows partition (make sure to defrag about three times before and once after or things will break) which can cause problems... And my first time installing, the installer wasn't compatible with my graphics card so it wouldn't load the screensaver so it froze at a black screen during partitioning. That was fun. And the last time I installed it on someone's computer, the installation went cleanly and then they wanted it removed, but the computer shut down randomly while partitioning and then Windows had to be reinstalled.
I dunno why it's faster, it's all magic for me. In one of my CS classes I'll probably eventually learn why it runs faster.
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Heh, wow. >.< I wonder what's more to blame, Linux or Windows? XD I'd assume the latter, because somehow I doubt Microsoft wants you replacing their OS so they didn't try to make it particularly fun to do.
Yeah, there's probably some very reasonable explanation for it... But the weird thing is, why would a professional company like Microsoft let their OS be outdone by an open-source one? Again, this leads me to think that there's an explanation for it. XD
I really like your gallery, by the way. Haven't take then chance to look through it until now. XD Tossed you a watch as well since you draw plenty of dragons.
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Ehh I like to blame Windows. Windows reaaallly likes to make it difficult to have other operating systems, to the point where it's nearly impossible to put Windows on a computer that didn't come with it. The only reason they have the majority of the market is because all computers come with it and it's hard to install over it, not because it's superior.
Haha, my gallery is disappointing because I make like one deviation a month, so the old stuff in my gallery is extremely old. Thanks for the watch though, I'm planning to draw more this year.
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As far as Windows vs Mac, I consider the former to be the lesser of two evils... But I really have no opinion regarding Linux, because I have so little experience with it. As far as which one is easier to install another operating system on top of, well, I've never even tried that before, so I have no clue myself.
Hey, don't worry about that.
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Macs are a lot easier to install other operating systems on, in my experience. Sometimes they'll even come with tools to help you. However, Macs are extremely expensive for being so close to Linux... One day people will start producing nonfree software for Linux like they have for Macs and I'll be able to do away with Windows.
Yeh srsly, went from ~3 favs per deviation to ~50 favs just with Dragon Artists, and got 4 watchers through the group with this picture. :/ But I suppose watchers and faves never meant much for me--they're for the person doing the watching and faving, not for the artist.
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Macs seem to have a lot of things going for them... except them assume you know nothing about computers. 
Though I guess if I had a Mac it would be easier to get Linux on it...
Good grief, that's a huge jump. I probably never got more than 5 extra favs from any groups. XD But yeah... while it's nice to get a little attention, it really doesn't do anything for the artist. Of course, when you take this stance, why even post art on DA at all? Getting recognition is obviously worth something to us, even if it's not much. Still, you can't disregard the people you can get to know when a conversation gets started (case in point XD).
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$1000 for a $600 laptop isn't worth it, though, and I still want Windows right now because it's great for gaming. I pretty much treat my 7 partition as a console.
Most of the people I meet online through my art are awesome, and it's good to get critique however far and few between they are. I've improved a lot through talking to other artists... for example here's something from before I joined dA: [link] Also, you may realize that half of everything I draw is for someone else.
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Ha, that's a great use of a Windows partition. XD Not that you'd need it for anything else anyways, if you primarily run Linux. I would assume so, at least. How easy is it to find programs for whatever you want on Linux as opposed to Windows?
Wow, you've really come a long way in a year then. That's really impressive. O.O
Hee, yeah, I can attest to the improvement-through-talking-with-others as well. Some artists out there are really good at giving tips at ways to improve your art. There's also lots of them who are willing to talk about their own and the process they go through.
Yeah, I had noticed that. Is that just something you do, or do you draw more art for yourself that you don't post? It's really great that you can do that, though... I personally haven't ever done any art for someone else cause I would feel bad for the person receiving it.
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Ubuntu's repository has ~26000 packages and maybe 5000 programs. All free and can be gotten in one click. So... yeah, pretty easy. Unfortunately they're six months to a year old, but that's my fault for picking Ubuntu for the easiness.
dA wasn't the first place I joined. That was over two years ago actually--probably just over three years old. Yes, that is an ancient relic from 2006. And yeah, the improvement is more owed to the awesome people of the internet than practice alone.
Well, I start several pieces of art for myself, but because no one is expecting them I never finish. What I don't draw for someone else is either very fast or for a reason like school. There's only one picture in the last year that does not fit into that category, and it's 354 days old so the claim is almost perfect. I'm going to break that soon if I finish a reference sheet for Siveran (I've started* one) but then again I've "started" one about four times before.
*have a layout for but have not drawn on yet
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I don't know much of anything about the different types of Linux. My only experience with it was a dual-boot Win98/SUSE Linux (dunno what version) machine. Based on what you said, I'd guess that the bunches of packages and programs aren't a part of every Linux OS?
Oh, okay. Amazing, everyone always starts drawing so much younger than I did. XD That's still impressive, though. You really have come a long way, regardless of who you choose to attribute that improvement to.
When you do do art for yourself (or at least start it), what sort of art do you tend to draw?
Do you do art in school, then?
Heh, I've never even attempted a reference sheet (it would help a lot if I had a character to make a reference of 
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Well, every distribution (type, flavor, etc.) of Linux has its own repository and they're all slightly different. While GIMP is probably available in all of them, some less-known things wouldn't be. Ubuntu's repository is large but everything is a little outdated because they make sure a version of something is stable before adding it. There are other Linuxes where you are the person testing the new releases, and those can be just as bad if not worse. Generally, if you want something newer than what's in the repository, it'll be available somewhere else online.
Well, I had two art classes in high school. I'm a Physics with Computer Science major now 
I've never finished a reference sheet so I don't know how long they take, either.
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Well, I suppose there's benefits in waiting for a program to really be stable before distributing it with the OS. I thought that they were just slackers and didn't update any of the programs very often. XD That makes more sense, though.
In your opinion then, is Ubuntu the best distribution of Linux? Or how does one even go about determining that? XD
Heh, that's two more than I had...
A better question would have been what you usually draw, but it looks like you answered that anyway. Who is Siveran? Just a character of yours?
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Ubuntu is one of the easiest to learn, I think. It comes with everything you need and there's a large number of people supporting it. Fedora is about equivalent to Ubuntu, but Redhat-based instead of Debian-based. I've used both, and have preference for neither. However, Fedora has a nice help database that is sometimes useful. There is no best distribution of Linux, much like there is no best programming language--any OS based off the Linux kernel can do the same things with some effort, and the rest is just preference.
I didn't learn a whole lot in my art classes because the teacher didn't lecture. She just made us do art in different media, like paint, ballpoint pen, felt-tip pen, oil, and clay. It was fun and I now can use a variety of traditional media, but I only have the space in my dorm room for digital. I think it would've been better if she taught us some art theory and drawing techniques along with the rest.
Yeah, Siveran is just the red furry dragon who was previously blue. The link before was the oldest drawing of Siveran
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I have no idea what the difference between a Redhat-based or Debian based OS is.
Hmm, that's a good way to think about it. I guess, in that case, you're almost better off just trying a bunch of different distributions and deciding which one fits your style better. I know the aren't exactly comparable to programming languages, but I suppose a similar approach wouldn't hurt.
That seems a little pointless. Half of why you take an art class is for the theory... though it's sure nice to be able to pick up on new media as well. That's one aspect that you can't learn from the internet.
Huh, that's an interesting color change. XD He looks really neat, especially in newer drawings where you've obviously developed him better. Interesting that you tend to draw him anthro, but it actually looks really good on him.
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Debian and RedHat have different package managers (apt vs. yum) and different install methods. Other than that I don't know of any differences, either, but I'm sure there are many. I'd start at either Ubuntu or Fedora just because their installation is easy.
Yeah, I wish there was more theory to the art class, but apparently none of the fine arts classes at my school taught any theory. Photography talked about methods of developing photos, and I think pottery was just like my art class but with clay being the main focus.
I've only drawn him anthro twice... once when I joined dA and once recently. And I didn't come up with him for any reason; I used to draw at night a long time ago (I hate people in real life seeing my art, I don't know why, so drawing when no one was awake was the best answer) and that was the second or third dragon I drew. I gave him my online name Siveran so I guess he became a dragonsona of sorts.
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Hmm. So I guess in that light they aren't too different, huh? Or at least the differences are more subtle than I was originally expecting. Thanks for the suggestion, though; it's definitely helpful to have a base to start at for Linux instead of just choosing a distribution at random. XD
That's interesting that your whole school would miss that facet of things. Was it just not considered part of the curriculum? Or maybe you just had a small handful of teachers who taught the classes, who didn't include theory?
Oh. I guess I got the impression that you tend to make him anthro since you said you hadn't drawn him quadruped for a long time.
Heh, that's still when I draw. Always has been. XD It doesn't help that none of my family knows I draw (and I don't tell them, for whatever reason), so I try to keep it hidden anyways. But I've never liked people being around when I draw. It's odd, cause I sure don't mind watching other people as they draw, cause I know I'm not being critical of their art.
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We had three teachers for fine arts: one each for pottery, art, and photography. All of them were somewhat crazy. Also, it might've been that due to lack of money the class couldn't get books, but that shouldn't have stopped the lecturing.
Siveran came from the number 714, somehow, which was my favorite number (7) and my age at the time of the name (14). It was a long time ago and I was a random kid. And no, he meant nothing more than just being a nightly drawing until naming him. =/
Ooh, and as a random thought, if I changed his name with age then he'd be named Sisevin now and at 18 he'd be named Satan.
Yeah, I like to watch other people draw, and I'm fine with people online seeing my art, but I hate it when people IRL see my art. It's probably because they put it where I don't want it to be. My parents put up a bunch of my art in the house, and it's embarrassing... then a friend of a friend decided to print some out and put it up in his room. Then, people keep asking me to do things totally unrelated to my dragon drawings--for example, to edit a photo to have someone be driving their dream car, or to draw a mascot knight to put on the front page of their website, or to design an ad/pamphlet/presentation.
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