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NatsuDragonHeart In reply to STEHANOOOOOO2210 [2016-08-18 09:44:21 +0000 UTC]

At least she's changed, right? Lucy is really nice to forgive people that do such awful things to her, huh?

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Wolfninja137 In reply to STEHANOOOOOO2210 [2016-06-12 22:08:42 +0000 UTC]

*forms aura swords* Who doesn't? >D

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nykena In reply to STEHANOOOOOO2210 [2015-02-06 04:54:11 +0000 UTC]

Im in let me find my find my chainsaw

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LucyDragneel89 In reply to STEHANOOOOOO2210 [2014-07-24 04:17:28 +0000 UTC]

ill come with you. Shank her

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Dragonslayer-ETOILE In reply to IloveLN [2017-02-07 09:51:44 +0000 UTC]

Don't think Loki can be used underwater, but it kinda makes sense. But Minerva stole her keys and whip, so she couldn't.

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smaliorsha In reply to IloveLN [2013-05-22 13:47:23 +0000 UTC]

She wanted to keep them in the end as strongest characters in the end, but Minerva stole her keys...

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MischiefsHeadache In reply to SasoDeiLover7 [2013-03-14 21:19:11 +0000 UTC]

Quite the contrary, I was annoyed with Laxus for hurting Gajeel. Also, Fairy Tail wizards are not cruel enough to torture someone who has obviously lost the fight. Another point: In the episode, someone had to STOP the event. Minerva would have kept going until Lucy died or Natsu burned someone's ass off. One last thing: You're picking fights with people over the internet. I would appreciate it if you would cut it out.

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Wolfninja137 In reply to MischiefsHeadache [2016-06-17 02:23:30 +0000 UTC]

I don't mean to be rude, but if anyone was picking a fight, it's you. The only thing SasoDeiLover7 did was state an opinion. It was nothing worth starting a fight over

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SasoDeiLover7 In reply to MischiefsHeadache [2013-03-15 00:19:29 +0000 UTC]

1: Because you're Mashima and you know how all Fairy Tale mages think? I recall Laxus being a Fairy Tale mage who certainly did not fit your guidelines. Same as Evergreen and Bixlow. Wait? Did you mean REFORMED, whipped into submission mages? You know, the ones who lose most of their personalities.
2: I don't blame Minerva for continuing, Lucy is a bad fighter, and really, winning is winning, let's not pretend that winning by a landslide is more gratuitous than winning by a margin.
3: Just because Minerva proved her superiority does not mean she would kill her.
4: I'm allowed to speak my mind. I did not pick a fight, I have said nothing offensive to anyone, and if your idea of picking a fight is stating my opinion, I have nothing else to say to you. I cannot converse or "fight" if no one replies, yet, I don't see your entire "picking a fight" comment on the group of people who responded to me.

What? Just because I defended an unpopular character, I'm in the wrong? Nice mentality there. I really appreciate THAT.

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SUPER1051 In reply to SasoDeiLover7 [2015-05-11 23:57:22 +0000 UTC]

HOLD UP u are so wrong about everyone loving laxus I HATE HIM even wroser then mashima cause he doesn't care about ANYTHING I DON'T even think he is a badass just a jackass and u also 1. need to calm down and stop making some ppl feel bad for mashima she is a character thats simple and thirst for pain lucy WAS a bit weak and possibly if she had the perfect timing LUCY WOULD BEAT HER ASS OFF 2. lucy is not  a bad fighter try fighting fire with a pet. seem alright? 3 she didn't had to go that far hurting her causing serious pain ALSO if u were burned ALMOST to death u would feel how lucy feels.



so what? idc if u defended a unpopular character u are wrong yes i appreciate u  being a bitch. u mad? or ur tired? mmm am not sure about that whatever u say ur still not defending mashima the other episodes it showed her being PROB a insane girl am i wrong?   WOW THANKS!  

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Wolfninja137 In reply to SUPER1051 [2016-06-17 02:33:31 +0000 UTC]

Yeesh, fool. Might wanna chill out for a minute. I get what you are coming from, believe me. But what your doing is more harm than help. All your doing is calling out random ideas that aren't even backed up with strong evidence. Your idea of nobody liking Laxus is not even a fair statement. Just because you don't like him, doesn't mean others don't. Another reason why your way of retaliation is worse, is that you don't even respect morals. You think everyone has your moral of not liking Laxus, and you pick fights with people who state their opions on the internet.

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MischiefsHeadache In reply to SasoDeiLover7 [2013-03-15 20:01:05 +0000 UTC]

1: Laxus's body guards were merely following him because they care about him so much. I know Fried never wanted to partake in the Battle of Fairy Tail, and Laxus merely wanted to make Fairy Tail strong, much like Minerva with Sabertooth.
2: Lucy grew up in a luxurious lifestyle, it's not surprising she can't fight, but she wanted to do her best for her friends who really believed she could fight alongside them. She didn't want to let them down.
3: Proving superiority and torturing are two different things.
4: You're choice of words and your tone gives off a condescending feeling, like no one knows what they are talking about. If you were a real writer like you say you are, you would have realized it

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Wolfninja137 In reply to MischiefsHeadache [2016-06-17 02:36:10 +0000 UTC]

HAHAHAHAHA!!!! I like your style of arguement! That last statement killed me! XD

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SasoDeiLover7 In reply to MischiefsHeadache [2013-03-15 22:51:31 +0000 UTC]

1. That does NOT change the fact of how ruthless Laxus was, and how cruel he acted, same as his minions. Who knows, maybe Minerva has good intentions too. But, obviously, it won't matter to the majority of Fairy Tale fans.
2. ....And? A loss is a loss. Regardless of her upbringing or her root.
3. Actually, it isn't all that different. Plus, I wouldn't actually categorize what Minerva did as torture. She knocked her around till she was bruised, a bit bloody, and unconsious. Really, Natsu has done worse to his foes.
4. If that's what you got out of it, so be it. But honestly, I adore Minerva's character, and I was irritated that people were bad mouthing her SO much. And a real writer? Where in the blazes did I say that? In fact, in plenty of my writing, I constantly repeat the theme of NOT being a writer, or a poet. Don't judge at first glance.

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MischiefsHeadache In reply to SasoDeiLover7 [2013-03-16 00:28:32 +0000 UTC]

1. I am not Mashima. I don't know whether Minerva has good intentions or she's just a huge jerk. Knowing him and observing a lot of the other antagonists, she probably does, and is going about it the wrong way much like Laxus did.

2. I am very aware a loss is a loss, but I am talking about the cruelty Minerva showed, and you're going off track, and if beating the crap out of someone who's pretty much lost the fight isn't really cruel, I would hate to see what your definition of it is.

3. Bruised? A little bloody? The last time I checked, bruises and a few cuts didn't require immediate medical attention. If Mashima had wanted that scene to be bloody, there most likely would have been a lot of it, with the chaos that ensued after Lucy was carelessly thrown out of the sphere. Natsu is a violent character, of course he's brutal to his enemies.

4. If you write, you are a writer. Whether you are good or bad does not matter. Also, I don't think you're bad from your spelling, grammar, choice of words and your ability to make everything you write sound so cynical and almost impolite in a sense.

5. Oh, I'm sorry, you're allowed to speak your mind but no one else is? Or are they only allowed to speak their mind if they agree with you?

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SasoDeiLover7 In reply to MischiefsHeadache [2013-03-16 17:40:14 +0000 UTC]

Then why bad mouth her so intently if you don't know her backstory or her story in general? The vast majority of Fairy Tale fans will change their tune if they find out she DID have a good reason. But, of course, no one cares now. I don't think she showed cruelty. Call it what you want, but we do not KNOW that Lucy was unconscious halfway into the fight. Personally, I think Minerva knocked her unconscious at the VERY END. We've seen that Lucy can withstand a bit of a beating, so being knocked around like that, I'm pretty sure she would have held on to her consciousness until she knew it was safe for her to pass out.

But hey, I've quit reading Fairy Tale, and it's been a while since I last saw the manga where this took place. Maybe it did show that she was unconscious halfway in. But from what I remember, there wasn't much sign of that, and Minerva just did what it took to ensure that her opponent could not fight against her completely, which, honestly, is a pretty smart move.

Also, her medical attention lasted how long again? A day? 2? While Elfman was in the infirmary for a WEEK because of Bacchus, yet no one is angry about that. And Minerva is a violent character as well, so of course SHE is brutal to her enemies. Natsu is the same way when he's angry, same as Laxus, Gajeel, Gray, Bacchus, Ultear, Erza and Mirajane. Minerva is only different because she was that way to the "wrong" person.

Look, I won't argue with you on a field regarding my artistic merit. All I know is, to me, it takes more than writing a few words on a page to be a writer or a poet. Someone has to EARN that title, just like a musician is not someone who just picks up an instrument. (I play the violin, so I understand THAT even more). Sometimes, it doesn't even have to do with how good or bad you are, it has to do with how much you care, how much heart you put into it, emotion. I am not a poet, or a writer, because I haven't really earned the right to call myself something like that. And that's my point of view on it and you are definitely allowed your own. But do not say something like "if you were a good writer like you say you are" because I do not say I am. And just because my style tends to lean on the cold and almost objective side of things, doesn't mean I'm being impolite or picking fights.

I didn't come on here badmouthing a fictional character. I didn't come on here calling someone a bitch, or a brat, or that she can never be forgiven. I came on her to defend something, not to attack it. And I have the least popular opinion on this entire matter so I am instantly replied to as if I am wrong in that. So where the heck did you see that I'm saying no one else is allowed to speak their mind? I've told people it's unfair to call her a bitch but nothing to the extent (That I can remember) of "Please, you're wrong, I'm right. Don't even bother with your opinion."

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MischiefsHeadache In reply to SasoDeiLover7 [2013-03-16 21:33:20 +0000 UTC]

It took Elfman a week to heal because he didn't respond to Wendy's magic as well. Lucy responded quicker because Cheria and Wendy stepped in. You seem not to understand what I'm trying to say here about Minerva because you think I'm trying to attack you. I'm not. I don't know you, I'm not trying to say that I do. I'm not Mashima, I am merely making rational inferences based on what I can see in the manga and in the anime. Minerva is a brutal person who continuously hurt Lucy after she was down, I'm not saying that she's a terrible character. In fact, I commend Mashima for being able to portray such a character! Besides, I've read a few of your works, they're actually very well written and I think you have a lot of heart to be able to write that way. But the way you speak (or write) makes it seem like you think you're the only one who's right. That will cause you a lot of trouble in the future. I have no write to talk about your talent and I apologize if it seems like that. I have issues on my own when it comes to tone as well.

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brentbehere In reply to SasoDeiLover7 [2012-09-20 21:58:49 +0000 UTC]

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SasoDeiLover7 In reply to brentbehere [2012-09-20 22:17:09 +0000 UTC]

I read it perfectly fine. You have to understand that this is a competition: Lucy is a mage, she should be able to hold her own. And she should also be prepared for injury. Minerva wanted a fight and Lucy said that she'd never give up. Fair enough, all Minerva did was hold her to that promise. This is a world where people FIGHT, and they do so all the time. Minerva is a strong female character, and she was most likely bored because everyone went out without a fight. BOOM Lucy tells her she won't just give up, and so Minerva gets to fight. Lucy couldn't hold her own, summon from a distance, OR call back her keys, nor could she force summon (like she can force close). Minerva was the stronger mage and she proved it. Also, as if Lucy was EVER in danger with three of the best healers in the same arena.

Look at it from a different angle and "read it more closely" because then, you would have understood that not only was doing that to Lucy a plot device, but it was also not even that horrible.

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Puffulina In reply to SasoDeiLover7 [2012-10-24 12:39:32 +0000 UTC]

Minevra was actually truly sadistic. It doesn't matter if Lucy was a mage, I haven't yet seen a celestial mage able to recall his/hers keys once dropped nor have I seen them do a forced opening (except Lucy in the Loke arc and that mainly didn't work), the officials had to stop the game, why do u think that was? Cause Minevra was so gentle? Cause Minevra played by the rules? No, she was a sadistic bitch that tortured Lucy for the fun of it... Lucy couldn't give up and she stated this ( she had already lost her match due to interference).
Minevra was not the stronger mage... she was just the trickiest... and Lucy was in danger no mater how u count it... 5 minutes with that sadist and you would be in danger as well...

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SasoDeiLover7 In reply to Puffulina [2012-10-24 20:08:44 +0000 UTC]

Why do I think they stopped the game? Because Lucy was obviously getting trashed. Lucy (goodness bless her) is a poor fighter. A poor fighter with a weakness in her magic that she left entirely untended to. Her magic is not a combat type: she could have made up for that by becoming a better dodger, a harder hitter, but no. She never bothered doing this. Minerva IS the stronger mage. Her magic is more combative, in a fight: she is stronger. She overpowered Lucy easily. And my, aren't you being totally judgmental by calling her a bitch? As if we even got her full back story and actually understand her character? And no, Lucy WAS never in danger. Hurt? Yes, but in genuine danger, where her life was threatened?

Please. I understand that Lucy is a beloved character, I like her too. But facts are facts: she was beaten, and part of it is due to her OWN weaknesses. Did Minerva play with her prey? Yes, but if Lucy were strong enough, she could have fought back more effectively than she did.

And where exactly do you get that she was the trickiest? As if she set a trap for the others. She pushed them out with her own magical abilities. Including Juvia (though, it was total BULL how Juvia was tossed out), but nonetheless, it was all Minerva. It wasn't a trap. And Lucy was beaten by pure power, not from a trap. Minerva taking the keys is not a trick: it is a strategy. And in a fight, taking control of a weakness is a STRENGTH in the combatant. Not a weakness.

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Wolfninja137 In reply to SasoDeiLover7 [2016-06-17 02:16:03 +0000 UTC]

I dont mean to be rude, but the answer is yes, in fact. The last sentence in ur first paragraph questioned whether Minerva put Lucy's life in danger. The answer is yes. If u watch the episode where Lucy is in recovery, it is stated that if Wendy hadn't been there to heal her when she did, Lucy's life would have very well been threatened. I understand why ur defending Minerva. And I have to say I dont blame u. But there is one fatal flaw in your argument besides what I mentioned earlier. You claim that it was not Minerva's fault Lucy got beat senseless. I have to agree in one way, and disagree in another. Let me explain. Like you said yourself, Lucy and her type of magic is not good for combat. She has never physically trained herself and relies solely on her Celeatial Spirits, thus leaving her exposed as an easy target in combat. Minerva knows this. She took her Celestial Keys to leave her vulnerable. I believe you are correct in saying that it was a strategy. That's where I have to agree with you. However, it was not necessary to torture Lucy the way she did. Instead of letting Lucy fall out of the arena and get disqualified, Minerva pulled Lucy back and started to beat on her. That clearly shows Minerva's overaggressive nature. If she was truly trying to what you say, "show superiority," she wouldn't have tortured Lucy to the point where the match had to be stopped. Minerva means well, and I have no objection to her morals. They are MORALS, afterall.

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Cimmeris In reply to SasoDeiLover7 [2013-03-13 16:47:11 +0000 UTC]

The problem isn't so much that Minerva won. Taking the keys was a perfectly acceptable strategy. Especially underwater, where without her magic, the fight was effectively impossible. (Seriously, try fighting underwater with your fists. No try dodging. Not happening. Not saying you didn't know that. Saying that it came down to a Magic only fight, which seemed strange to me...poor Quatro Puppy guy.) Anyway, the irritation everyone has at Minerva is that she had won and kept attacking her opponent past her opponent being able to even move. The objective of the match was to knock Lucy out of the bubble. Minerva had the capability for a while but kept Lucy in to abuse her. The first time might have been understandable, dishonorable, but falling under you "play with her prey" description. The subsequent times less so. Yes Lucy lost because she was weaker. Lucy got abused because Minerva's a raging bitch. And no, her background doesn't matter. Gerard had a completely reasonable back-story for his actions and he was still being a fucking ass. Same thing with Ultear in a way. Your past doesn't excuse your actions. It explains them. But acting like a bitch makes you a bitch so long as those actions persist.
Like me? Totally being an ass right now by butting in here. Nobody needs my back-story to know that's true and the why doesn't really matter.

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SasoDeiLover7 In reply to Cimmeris [2013-03-15 00:26:17 +0000 UTC]

Actually, the irritation everyone has at Minerva boils down to the fact that LUCY was hurt. LUCY, a popular, pretty character almost all the fandom loves got hurt in a fight by someone new. People wouldn't care HALF as much if Bixlow or Max got hurt.

Also, where the hell do you come off saying that Minerva is a raging bitch? By that mentality, so was Laxus, so was Gajeel. So is NATSU, actually, if you think about it. Burning people to crisps, picking fights for no reason, disregarding his partner. Jellal was also not an ass. Jellal had circumstances that NO ONE could do better in. Your past can definitely take blame off of you. It is worse to be someone in good standing and situation with a foul attitude than someone that was abused as a child.

One is understandable and the other is insufferable. Also, clearly, ANYONE can say this of Minerva but the second someone starts calling Lucy weak, annoying, useless in combat without magic, or anything negative, EVERYONE jumps to defend. Bias at it's finest. No one even cared this much when Jellal had his ENTIRE LIFE ruined by Ultear.

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Cimmeris In reply to SasoDeiLover7 [2013-03-15 15:25:00 +0000 UTC]

Wait,is Lucy popular? I personally think she's kindof irritating.

I'd care if it happened to Bixlow. I really like Bixlow. To be honest, I can see your point here. No emotional connection to the character limits our emotional response to them. But I stil think what Minerva did was bitchy regardless of who she did it to. Although I can see the fervor not being as great.

I never said Laxus or Gajeel weren't. If anything Gajeel was worse than Minerva for doing it to two people who he probably jumped.
I'm trying to figure out who Natsu burned to a crisp when they couldn't fight back. But yeah the picking fights for no reason is a rather negative character trait. Which is what I thought was part of the reason Gildarts talked to him, though that didn't directly come up. (And hasn't prevented some of those same character traits from appearing. Natsu still likes battle. If it is an agreed to battle (like when him and Gray just beat on eachother) its a less damning addiction, but still not "healthy".)

The severity of the blame doesn't remove it however. I don't care if you were beat everyday and never taught the concept of mercy, you're still a danger to society. Your past might warrant you mercy and time to learn from your mistakes, but it never removes the blame. Your actions stay with you, regardless of why you did them. You can only live to be better than you were. My point was the blame should never be removed. You still did that thing you did. (Speaking figuratively there, not you personally.)

Lucy IS all those things, I agree with you. I'm just saying that Lucy's pointlessness doesn't remove Minerva's guilt in her abuse.
I'm still not clear why Jellal has been so forgiving to Ultear. Probably because they're both trying to be better people. That being said, Ultear's manipulation seemed a rather sever plot development to me. It let Jellal know the cause of his issues. That and the amnesia really seemed to have set him on a path to start fixing his sins.Heck, that's the reason he's established his guild. (Although, seriously, what was with everyone forgiving Ultear. Even the girl who's family she MURDERED didn't seem half as angry as she should have.)

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SasoDeiLover7 In reply to Cimmeris [2013-03-15 23:14:02 +0000 UTC]

One of the most popular characters in the entire fandom. And I'm with you on Bixlow, I love that guy. But the majority of readers don't, honestly. A good example is when Bacchus fought Elfman. The only real difference is that Elfman could take the beating, but even though Bacchus landed the poor guy in the infirmary for close to a good week, there was no uproar of this caliber.

I'll admit, I'm not even close to being a fan of Natsu, so anything I say about that matter would be offensive to someone...most likely. Personally, I feel like his lack of character development is more annoying and unlikable than Minerva's so called "abuse".

To me, Jella is not at fault. He was a complete puppet to his circumstances, practically unable to make a decision outside of it. He was almost literally a puppet, hollow and subservient. Likewise, circumstances of other means can make people puppets as well, so I don't tend to blame them. But, we're different people with different opinions. Both are equally true.

Well...I don't believe Lucy is completely POINTLESS. She just doesn't have use in combat. Also: I don't really think Minerva abused her. It was an overboard win, but fights in manga like this often end worse with less people protesting. I like to think Lucy held out till the end, mainly because she didn't back down after challenging Minerva in the first place. But, I'm not Mashima, so I have no clue.

(Also, 100% agree. Melody reacting the way she did was definitely not as angry as most would be.)

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Cimmeris In reply to SasoDeiLover7 [2013-03-19 22:46:52 +0000 UTC]

I think the Bacchus thing was because Elfman never passed out and kept getting hit really. He purposely stood there and took more. Which Lucy tried to do, but she ain't Elfman. So her first time sticking around it was valid that she get smacked around a little by her opponent. Its that after she couldn't stay in of her own free will that it crossed the line.
Bacchus is amusing though.

I see Natsu in a particular light because he reminds me of a real friend of mine. The guy would never mean to hurt you but if you say "Let's fight for fun" he'd be there in spurs. (Figuratively. That means excited, I specify because I sometimes sound like a relic from the 50's.)

I guess partially its that I can't stand that concept. That anyone would even let themselves unknowingly be a puppet. Probably why I'm a control freak a bit. But yeah, valid opinions certainly, and I can see where you're coming from. He was definitely directed a lot.

Gotchya, I misunderstood you a bit. But yeah, if it was just an overboard win then that was valid if perhaps mean. I think it was a more a case of DBZ's Videl vs Spopovich, though.

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Cimmeris In reply to Cimmeris [2013-03-15 15:52:46 +0000 UTC]

Also, I missed Natsu disregarding his partner. Mayhaps I'm just drawing a convenient blank, but I don't remember him ever really ignoring Happy. Happy's the one chip you can use against him in any situation, since he seems to think of him as his child. Unless you meant someone else by partner, in which case who?



*Worth Noting also, I still really like Laxus and Gajeel. But then I've always like the reformed villain trying to make up for their horrible past characters. (That doesn't stop them from having been horrible people. Just says that they can hopefully change and improve.) That all started with Piccolo, albeit I always though it was strange how a kid got saddled with his father's blame there.

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Cimmeris In reply to Cimmeris [2013-03-15 15:45:26 +0000 UTC]

Worth detailing: Bixlow, also an ass for helping Laxus.
Though I've noticed that after the character's rehabilitation through violence and friendship they become very different characters.

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Cimmeris In reply to Cimmeris [2013-03-13 16:59:19 +0000 UTC]

*Sorry. I meant Jellal there. I have no idea why I said Gerard.

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