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smile-flight — Tutorial for writers! BBW and their Dimensions!
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Okay now, there have been a lot of things that bother me when writing stories or looking at pictures of characters drawn with their measurements/dimensions. I have tried bringing it up with people individually but it would seem that a lot of people aren't willing to accept that wildly incorrect measurements for a character, especially a BBW, can completely ruin a story for a viewer. I have had it happen a few times that I am reading a very good story and then the author describes their 350lb, 6 foot lady as having a 26 inch waist or something equally unfeasible and I immediately lose interest in the story and stop reading. So this tutorial/reference sheet should hopefully give you all some help when it comes to considering dimensions in art or writing.
Consider your character's height. 5'4 is the average height for a woman in the UK or USA. Your 5'6 female character is certainly not short.
The average weight for a woman in the USA is around 160lbs. Your character is unlikely to stand out as being particularly large unless they are considerably heavier than this. If you wish to use the words overweight or obese, please understand what they mean. They are medical terms, albeit largely useless ones. A person with a BMI of 25-30 is considered overweight. A person with a BMI over 30 is considered obese. My BMI is 30.9, to give you some indication of what that looks like. Here is a brilliant sight showing you how flawed BMI is as an estimation of body fat: [link] Muscle mass makes a difference in your shape but isn't going to give you a hugely higher weight or lower body fat for that weight unless your character happens to be about as fit as your average triathlete or body builder.
Women have four main types of body: straight, hourglass, pear or apple. I am an hourglass, if that helps. Here is a diagram about body types: [link] The body shape tends to stay the shape regardless of size: I could be a skinny hourglass or a fat hourglass but I'm never going to be a pear or a ruler.And finally, I mentioned at the end of the tutorial that I don't like it when people put dimensions in writing. Weight and height are fine, but to be hip, bust and waist measurements just cry out of lazy writing. If you are a good writer you don't need to state numbers to convince people of what your character looks like and it doesn't really add very much even if you get the numbers right. Besides which, how many of you know off hand what your chest, waist and hip measurements are? So why do you think us ladies would? For example, take the two paragraphs below:
1. Jessica walked into the room, her 300lb, 5'6 body straining against the fabric of her dress as it pulled tight against her curves. All her life she had been blessed with a voluptuous figure, her F cup breasts filling out the front of all but the largest of shirts, her 60 inch hips giving her a swollen hourglass shape compared to her 45 inch waist. She had dangerous curves and she knew it.
2. Jessica sauntered into the room, head held high as she looked around at all those before her. Taller than most, she carried her extra weight in a very pleasing manner, much larger than any of the other women in the room but with a heaving bosom that called out to all but the most strong willed of men, her thick, luscious thighs spilling out of slits down the side of her dress, allowing the soft satin to encase her enormous hips and rear, seams on the verge of bursting as her belly, though dainty by comparison, pushed the front of her dress out into a most pleasingly round shape. She had to have been at least twice the size of the other woman here but she certainly knew how to work it.
Now, I tried to be fair with the amount of descriptive text in each of those paragraphs. To me, the second paragraph flows much better and allows the reader to create their own picture of Jessica and her curves in their sensual glory rather than a shorter, quicker and easier way of doing it in the first paragraph. Frankly, in my opinion if you can't be bothered to put the effort in to make a good description of your character you shouldn't be sharing your work.
Anyway, that's enough from me! Love it? Hate it? Stopped reading 20 minutes ago? Stop by and leave a comment below! <3
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Well, I wouldn't say that fat boobs/belly and average hips is unrealistic; I know a few people built like that! And there's nothing wrong with having preferences, realistic or not, and it's nice to see apple-shaped people get some love when so many FAs prefer pear types!
For me, there is a good willing suspense of disbelief with your stories; there is nothing wrong with stretching realism to enhance your art/story. It would only be jarring to me if you wrote about your big breasted characters and then described them as a 36C or something. Like, especially in older stories, I hear big breasted women referred to as being a B or C cup when the average in the UK is a D-DD. And it kinda ruins the whole thing for me, you know?
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Thanks for the thoughts. I learned about bra sizing decades ago, when my pretty and busty girlfriend of that time gave me a thorough education in the various systems of sizing available at the time, and they were by no means all compatible. Another thing, back then the EEE-cup was largely fabulous, where today far larger sizes are available, just not from Victoria's Secret and similar outfits.
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Haha, well I think busty girls are probably the best people to learn from, though it is surprising how many people where the wrong bra size out there!
Plenty of places over here offer up to a G cup, but any higher is hard to find. Plus sized shops and speciality shops tend to be needed. Thankfully I can just about get mine in a G, hah.
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Well, if you think it over EEE and G are roughly equivalent cup sizes.
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I suppose so. We don't use that terminology over here though, so I suppose I didn't really think about it. Though american and english bra sizes can be quite different.
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thanks! this could maybe help me with my character hebbie from my volt series XD
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Well I'm glad you found it helpful.
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You're welcome, I hope you found it useful!
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As a writer, even after 40 novels, I'm always looking for great ways to describe beauty. And you, milady, are beauty, body, mind and soul.
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Awww! Thank you so so much, this is one of the sweetest things somebody has ever said to me!
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Thank you very much for your insight. I too have found some stories to lack credibility but to see it black and white is helpful
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You are more than welcome, I'm really glad it helped you and thank you taking to time to say so.
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You're welcome, glad you found it useful.
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Some good points. One thing I've found works well in place of figures is comparisons. For example, saying that person X is a few inches shorter than person Y, or a head taller than person Z provides quite a mental image, without the need for numbers to back it up. The same can be done with width and overall shape. The description can end up being shorter as well. For example, someone a head taller than most of her male friends, who is shaped mostly like a large coffee bean with arms and legs. That's all I really need to hear to get some kind of convincing mental image, though you might mention things like hair/skin/eye color as well, it's often not needed.
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Hey there, thank you for taking the time to write such an interesting comment to me! 
That is definitely true that comparisons between characters can help set up a more natural narrative, especially when the focus is on the plot instead of the appearance of the characters. I sometimes like writing in depth character descriptions just for the fun of it, but in an actual story long descriptions tend to take away from the action and I was told once that the best way to describe a character's appearance is to imagine how you would describe a real life friend or acquaintance. I'm not sure if I agree that that is always the best way to describe a character as every story is different, but it certainly gets you thinking, doesn't it?
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Oh, you're welcome, and yes; different scenes can merit different kinds of descriptions. The one I just gave was for the protagonist of a shonen-ish action/adventure/fantasy story. One can definitely justify getting into more detail, if, for example, one character is in love with another, and is looking at her longingly. I've even had an instance where numbers *were* justified, but only after an examination by a doctor, and he basically asked; "In all the time you've known her, has she always been about 7'2"?"
A lot depends on the context of what you're writing, and whose perspective it's being written from. Sherlock Holmes, for example, would notice much more detail about a person, though he rarely narrates his own stories. Anyway, these are just a few examples of this sort of thing.
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After searching up "Vanity sizing" to see if it was related to the thing that happened with the character I was writing(for those who know what it is, it obviously isn't. Or at least, somewhat), I learned that what I did with said character after finally finishing it, MAY have been a tad rude, depending on the person.
It didn't look chubby, but for all intents and purposes, I assumed she was. But at her height and weight, according to everything you've shown me, not really chubby. In fact, her original weight, 175, would have made more sense. I think it was a big mental mixup on my end, because I realized the character didn't look all that chubby so I just applied the highest weight that wasn't "overweight" on a BMI calculator(the only reason I got the numbers I did), but all BMI calculators I tried, seemed to be different. In the past, people have told me not to use them, as they were not accurate for my purposes, but it was the best decision for me the make on appearance most of the time. So basically, with the redesign of MOTHY, I called people who was just barely chubby, fat. Like a really stupid bully who didn't even know what fat is.
Checking the sites you sent me, and with this in mind, I may be able to fix some info. on my character to at least mentally make more sense to me now. I do agree, however, that when stories make assumptions of certain things(like breast and waist size), it does take people out of it alot of the time. Happens to me with a writer who, despite the weight numbers, actually makes the characters too big. Like, they assume the person can walk, when they are literally as the story describes, a mile wide. Indoors. Holy crap. And it's only after a month of eating, to get that big(assuming you don't have a heart attack first, or get internally crushed or SOMETHING) it'd most likely take years! Like, what the fuck dude. ;-;
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It is okay, not a lot of people have a good grasp of height and weight, especially if they are considering a person that is physically very different to themselves. I think a lot of the problem comes from women feeling the need to lie about their weight. So famous women always claim to be a lot lighter than they are, which makes people think that a naturally slender but not skinny 5'10 woman would weight 100lbs which is just... not true. I mean, I'm only 5'2 and at 140lbs I was a size 6 in american clothes. Actually, that reminds me the illustrated BMI categories website. Looking at some of the 'overweight' and 'obese' people here should show you how poor BMI usually is.
I'm glad you found it helpful! It is always good to learn, right? ....yeah, a person would die way, way before they got to a mile wide. There is a reason nothing bigger than an elephant walks around on the land. A lot of people like that sort of 'fantasy' style writing but I personally agree with you, it does nothing for me when the things involved are so completely unrealistic like that.
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Well, that makes sense. By the way, if you ever considered looking around at the female Sonic FCs, alot of them seem to share the same trait when it comes to weight. Many of them try to hide how much they weigh, as if the character itself was writing the app, not the user. This is just a personal pet peeve for me, because it was pretty stupid when SEGA did it, and apparently only a few people realized that. If you are going to make a character application, remember that your character isn't real and that he or she is the one being written about, not the one writing the app. You need to give as much info. as you can, so if you for some reason don't want to show the minute detail of your character's weight, omit it. I'd probably put N/A, but a weight can't be Not Applicable. I see what you mean here, though. Also, I checked the illustrated BMI categories page... didn't really understand it that well. Like, how was it organized?
There are some fictions I will agree with in WG story writing, but it's either due to magic or some false-science(a story about cream filling. A girl gets a year's worth supply of a very fattening cream during a contest and is expected to drink it all at once, even getting a hose slapped onto her mouth with incredibly strong glue so that she couldn't take it out. The ending is rather dark, but the story is written so well) But that one person writes fan fiction where the characters are out of character and, as mentioned, they get to be too big to fit in a house... while being capable of walking into and through the house(seriously, logic, where did you go?), and yet they got to this size by non-extraordinary means. If you want your character to become a blimp, give them reason other than "I'm lazy and want to eat" that fits their personalities, and give a reason for them to get as big as they do. Seriously, the guy did a "Wizards of Waverly Place" story and I don't remember one use of magic. 
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I've seen the original SEGA characters do that but I haven't really looked at a lot of sonic fan characters, to be honest. That is irritating though, not least because it perpetuates the stereotype that weight is something women should be ashamed of. Personally I don't see that weight would be that important a thing to mention at all, if you didn't want to. I mean, what, are they planning on lifting your character in the rp? *rolls eyes* Ah, it wasn't organised, the entries were random. But if you put your mouse over the pictures it will tell you what BMI catergory they belong to.
Yeah, I don't mind fantasy elements in WG stories as long as they make sense in themselves. Things that make no sense and aren't explained just aren't interesting to me at all.
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Weight in character design is mostly related to character appearance, most of the time, and it can be useful information to know sometimes(an application I used recently ha a "stat" system. Stats were based on numbers 1 to 10, 1 being weakest and 10 being strongest, and in two of the stats weight is actually considered). And while it sounds stupid, things like that can actually happen(as in, maybe in a fight, a really strong character throws his or her opponent into a wall, or as Senator Armstrong from Metal Gear Rising boasts he can do, break someone in half with their bare hands. They'd first have to have the ability to lift them up/break something their size and weight, or as strong as their bones) At the same time, I agree that keeping a weight secret, especially for female characters, is completely wrong in that sense. We need not push stereotypes in character designs, after all. But also, by treating it as if the character itself was writing it, it feels like people could just be hiding things, so that the creator can do an asspull later on - the reason many groups I RP in use character application and review systems in the first place. It's like they are hiding info. about their character in fear that they won't be accepted if that info. was let out in the open. One character didn't know his past and it was explained in a way that kept it very vague. Who knows, what if that guy was a god, or demigod? What if he forgot very useful powers that could be learned later on in dire situations("How did you use that Super-Awesome-Beam-of-Ultra-Power all of a sudden?" "Guess I just had it in me all along!" "OF COURSE! GOOD, FOR YOU!!!") But back on the topic of weight stuff, it just looks really stupid in most applications when they try to hide anything, especially weight. At times, it can just be tacky. And OK, I did hover my mouse over the images and I didn't see much, but I'll look back at it later.
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Fair enough~
And yeah, it seems like transparency is really important in applications. I also don't see what exactly they have to gain from hiding their characters weight...
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Transparency?
And maybe they are trying to hide their character being anorexic/overweight despite their look(in other words, maybe a Sue Mary-ish appearance?), or it's just an effect people try to go for because hurdyhur-female Sonic characters don't share their weight with people-hurdyhur.
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Ah, making sure things are very clear.
Well if they don't look it then they don't have those traits, simple as. That's like me saying that if I don't tell you my weight you wont know I'm fat. o_o You can tell that from looking at me.
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During a Mary Sue Litmus test, one question asks if they are thin(or light) enough to be anorexic, but doesn't look anorexic, and if anyone says they are anorexic, they take it as a compliment.
Somethings I don't like about Mary Sue tests is that usually, unless it's a joke character, people who make their character won't know what they are doing is wrong and will find it insulting or bothering if someone makes it sound like a bad thing, and in tests it's the way they word the questions. Sometimes, the questions don't apply to all characters, and they don't have an option mentioning it doesn't apply. In the end, I don't think the tests are effective because of that very reason.
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Oh, yeah, I've seen that question. Pisses me off that we live in a world where severe and life threatening diseases could even be taken as a compliment.
Mary Sue tests are generally just designed for fun. Nobody can tell you if you have a good or bad character from a quiz.
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I take alot of character design and other various tests seriously, though in my case it feels like that's how I, personally, have fun.
One time, I was in a chatroom and they were all pretty much spamming tests and talking to each other about them, and it was fun to deal with them. In the end, I apparently seemed to take it too seriously, and someone even pointed out, "Dude, none of this is proven" and I pretty much said "Well, this is just how I have fun" and treated it as "proven" because it was so accurate.
However, in the past, I DID take a test a bit too literally, though maybe for good. The main Sue Mary Litmus Test is on springhole, a site for character design tips and help by people who at least SOUND like they know what they are saying, taking it all seriously. Maybe because they are tired of shitty characters. Well, anyways, I took their test late last year with my main character Pyro, who at the time was a jackal named "Aidan Winchester". Despite the fact that I designed him to be better than the original Pyros(G1 when I was a kid, and G2 as a preteen), his score was INCREDIBLY high. Think it was 64, when above 50 meant it was definitely a Mary Sue/Gary Stu. A little panicked, I nerfed the fuck out of him, and... he just got bad. I even tried to make G4 early, but it just wasn't fun and made no sense. That as well as school problems causing me to be unable to get on a computer, RP participation lowered as well and it completely ruined any stories I had at the time, the biggest reason that I had to officially update my character roster and stories(my character just got BAD, and complicated stories that were incapable of being finished). G1 and G2 were bad because of bad characters with a story that made little to no sense, but G3 was bad due to worrying too much and a too complicated story that started out good, but died near the end of the year. G3.5 didn't last at all, and is just lumped with G3 because it uses the same Pyro and wasn't good enough to be considered its own thing.
You can't really say that a test can't tell you if you have a bad character, because there are only so many things you can do with a character within the limits of imagination that is good and won't turn readers, watchers(if you are an animator or drawer), or RPers away. But it's best to take it with a grain of salt, which at the level of bad the test was giving my G3 character, I couldn't do. I did end up taking the test again with the new Pyro, and his score was ALOT lower, around 35 I think, meaning that I did well in fixing him. May need to do the test for him again, just in case, but I did try it for one of my recent normal OCs, and... damn, I couldn't finish the test. It's just too LONG.
And I would say that if you do take life threatening diseases as a compliment, you certainly don't understand enough to RP. If someone says you are anorexic, it shouldn't be taken so lightly. It's people like that, that can really annoy me. Want your character to be perfect? MAKE HER BEAUTIFUL! How do you do that?! NO FAT AT ALL! How does that work? Where's the correlation, beyond people's apparent hatred of overweight people?
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Nothing wrong with having fun with them, I do those tests for fun sometimes as well! But you have to bear in mind that the idea of those tests was based in satire. See, that is exactly the problem with those sort of tests. It makes people panic and think there is something wrong with their character or character creation skills without giving any sort of advice or constructive feedback on them.
Well, you really can, because 'good' and 'bad' are completely subjective and each test is designed by an individual person. There are certain character designs that I find awful but which are really popular with other people, and visa versa. All a test can tell you is whether or not the creator of the test likes your character. That is literally it. There's no such thing as a 'bad' characteristic or trait. Even uber powerful characters can have there place if handled correctly; were dumbledore and gandalf mary sues because of their powers? Gandalf is literally a personified god but he is also a realistic and flexible character. Both of those characters would fail any sort of 'mary sue' test.
Well, you don't understand enough about the diseases in general if you think they are a compliment. =/ That's like someone saying 'You look like you have AIDS' and the person replying 'Well gee, thanks, I'm glad you think so!'. >_>; And yeah, pretty much, a lot of people think fat is gross and horrible so they design characters to be as skinny as possible. Apparently not understanding that being seriously underweight is hugely dangerous and things like anorexia have around a 10% death rate for sufferers. I actually used to have an eating disorder in my teens/early twenties and honestly, my body has never recovered properly from it. I just really wish people wouldn't take life destroying illnesses so lightly. ....aaaaaand, that was a huge rant! Sorry about that.
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Hm. I didn't know much about Gandalf(never read the books, and I don't remember any of the movies), but I don't see Dumbledore as OP. But I did mostly agree with the tests, which is why I felt they were so accurate and the main reason of panic. Looking on it now, knowing how they didn't seem to give any constructive criticism in response, I can see that point. I do remember an old friend of mine who introduced me to the test actually got a NEGATIVE SCORE on the test with her main. Like, holy fucking crap, the test wasn't even built with a negative score placement, we just had to assume it meant "Anti-Sue", which is just as bad as a Mary Sue because it means your character is either UP, boring, and various other things that are negative but couldn't be considered Mary Sue(I'd say incredibly depressed/downer and/or too realistic, but not sure how that'd work in describing how bad characters are or if that'd fit the "Anti-Sue" idea)
There aren't bad characteristics, though it's more how you use them. I've heard many descriptions of Mary Sues and Gary Stus, though the ones I stick with most is the "Self-Insert Sue"(someone that is meant to be you, like an avatar, that is how you perceive or wish yourself to be) and your classic Mary Sue(A completely perfect character whose only personality trait is being envied by those who hate her). Someone I use to RP with a LONG time ago had one of these as her main, though all of her characters were generally the same, and it seemed more like a joke than anything. This could be considered true given one of her recent characters fits in quite well: her main is Sue, and her recent character is Mary.
Still, it's bad when people are giving ACTUAL, FULL CRITICISMS, and your followers come to assault you for it, calling you a bully and a bad person for trying to help them. It's the "I do what I want" excuse that annoys me the most. No one wants to RP with a character who gets away with rape and is considered a HERO. No one wants to be forced into a relationship. No one wants to get instant-KOd because your character is god. And no one wants to look at your character if they are literally a fucking rainbow. ;-;
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Ah, fair enough. And I don't think Dumbledore is overpowered relative to the universe he is in, but I meant that with his amount of strength and skill it would be very easy to write him in a way that seemed overpowered if you didn't know what you were doing with the character. ...yeah, getting an extreme score either positive or negative is probably not a great thing.
Yeah, I've read about the 'types' of Sue, mainly because I find the whole topic pretty amusing! One of the first people I rped with insisted that we rp as ourselves within our fantasy setting. It made me kinda uncomfortable, to be honest. And yes, it sounds like your friends characters are like that intentionally.
I would never understand people who complain when another person takes the time to give them a critque. It is a huge compliment that they like you/your character enough to put the time and effort into reviewing it. And yes, that is annoying and childish. ...yeah, I don't think being a rapist can ever be a trait of a good person. I think that goes without saying. If anybody tried to pull that rubbish on me I'd immediately stop rping with them.
I know when I was a kid I rped with somebody who didn't understand the difference between a dominating, controlling character and me being controlling over them, and it really killed my enthusiasm for rping because they were so rude about it. It took me a really long time to get my confidence as a story teller back after that.
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Yeah, but on the score thing, I mean at the bottom of the test they tell you what all the scores mean. Their is no description for a negative score, though for some reason it's something you can get. And it wasn't even an extreme negative score, lie -64 or anything like that, it was just a really low number.
Hm, RP concepts that got me disturbed is mostly the less comfortable topics people tried to shove me in. I enjoy fight RPs the most, though I'll do any sort of RP, but there are just some I'd rather not. Seriously, I could get some people banned on DA for the things they tried to get me to do. But the most mundane thing that got me to feel uncomfortable was voice-RP. Basically, imagine larping, how you interact in real life, then imagine getting on a computer, opening up Skype(or another voice-chatting thing you use) or a voice recorder, and talking as if you are your character. Now imagine being in a small house, yelling and screaming because you are probably doing a fight or your character is really angry or generally emotional about something, and alot of people coming into your room as you RP. FINALLY, imagine having a shitty mic! Like, NONE of that is really fun to me. May be fun to others, but they have more privacy than I do most of the time, and they seem to have all the High Quality shit that probably costed them hundreds of dollars while I've got what I got from Christmas or some shit like that. And it also doesn't help when you can't do accents for shit and your character has an accent, or the rare occasion when your character may be singing(which never happened to me, but I have sang over voice recorder/Skype and it always SUCKS). And it feels even more awkward because even if we are voice acting our characters for speech, we still type out their thoughts and actions, making it feel pointless to use the voice recordings in the first place! It's about as bad as the Rollin' Rocker for NES, which according to AVGN, doesn't even work(the concept is terrible though). Like, seriously, my friend and I recently did an RP in a chatroom, and we were already having trouble dealing with new concepts. First off, we were both using two characters. She ended up using my main villain, which we discussed because the fight was gonna happen at some point, and I suck at RPing as two characters fighting each other(which feels pointless anyways). Next, our two main heroes merged mid-fight ala Dragon Ball Z or Steven Universe, and continued fighting(kind of confusing to get the hang of, but we did it pretty well I'd say). And then people began spamming Vocaroo in the chat and we decided it would be funny to use it for our RP.
CHAOS ENSUES.
I think it comes more from negative reviews than anything, but I bring up how the person with characters Sue and Mary acted like she took the names seriously - in fact, she has a group of followers, which people call "whiteknights"(apparently that's a thing. Make bad Sonic FCs? Check. Have a group of followers that harass people? Check. Does that group of followers act as human pillows after the "bullying"? Check. They're whiteknights.) and I've been attacked and assaulted by a few online after talking to her about her RPs and character designs and the like. When I brought up the "rapist" bit, it was mainly based on a few factors: character-specific alignment(no matter what a character does, they are to be considered a certain alignment. Even if they massacre an entire people, they are still the hero, for example. That is wrong), broken canon(she seems to follow her own story, but even then it's very loosely. The biggest thing I can say is that her RPs must have an almost FNAF styled plot that no one cares about, or they have no plot at all and she's throwing shit at the wall), and the fact that her character is literally a Sue(SHE MADE AN EVIL GROUP THAT IS SPECIFICALLY USED TO HUNT MONSTERS. HER MAIN IS A MONSTER. WHENEVER THEY CAPTURE HER, THEY EXPERIMENT ON HER, THEN RELEASE HER. WHAT THE FUCK.) Going to start naming the names to be clear here(neither of these are my friends. They use to be, but really, Midnight and SuetheHedghog are equally bitches, but for different reasons. Midnight is paranoid and hates me because I befriended a "hacker", and Sue is the bad character designer). So, Midnight told me back when we were friends, that Sue's character Sue raped Midnight's character Zone. When she says this, she does not mean that they RPed it, because that'd be stupid and Midnight would be in the wrong for allowing it/going through with it. No, without telling Midnight until after the fact, Sue had Zone's child.
Yeah.
Can you go into further detail with that story about when you RPed with a kid dealing with dominating, controlling characters and the like. I was designing a kid character once, and was talking with a friend, and due to the use of a very interesting and special tutorial I was reading(helped organize my thoughts at the time. Nowadays I just use it for the personality stuff), he was getting confused by some questions I was asking. I was asking him, "What is your but?" Even when I expanded the question, he didn't get it, "What is your goal, and what is keeping you from that goal?" I even asked him about his characters in context to that question. Still didn't understand. I showed him the tutorial and talked to him about it, and he said it was a bad tutorial because it used outdated language(I guess?) He brought up how words like Dominant(a controlling character), Submissive(a regressing character), and Hedonist(a character who follows his desires instead of using logic or morals to make decisions) have more sexual meanings in modern language. However, the tutorial brought that up as well and mentioned that the words didn't have anything to do with sex in that context.
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Yeah, I know. I guess it wasn't designed to have negative outcomes but they really should have thought of that before giving negative values to answers. Poor quiz design to be honest.
Really? I'm not sure I even want to know what kind of things they are trying to get you to do! Though I've had people try and do types of rp I'm completely not comfortable with either and they can be quite pushy. It is annoying. ...yeeeeah, voice rping would not be something I'd be comfortable with, at all. I mean, it is a pretty interesting concept for people who like that sort of thing but I wouldn't be cool with it. I wouldn't be able to 'voice' most of my characters anyway as several of them are male. And I have a very feminine, english voice/accent. What is Rollin' Rocker?
Yeah, whiteknighting is a thing, though it is usually applied to men whiteknighting a woman whether she wants it or not. Wow, that does sound all kinds of awful. Especially just creating the kid of someone else's character like that without asking. That is why offspring characters have to be handled really carefully and only really by people who know and trust each other.
Do you have a link to that tutorial? It sounds pretty interesting. As for the RP with the controlling character, we were rping a vampire-human situation. We had established that there is a sort of hiearchy in the vampires based on how old they are/how long they have been vampires. So when my vampire character sired his and introduced him to other characters, she treated him like a dog or a small child; telling him what to do, not to speak out of turn and to pay her respect etc etc. Now, the guy could easily have gone 'Nah, my character says no way!' or plotted against her or just gone with it or anything. But instead he decided to get really passive aggressive and sarcastic and horrible towards me as a person. It was pretty upsetting for me, at the time. Um, I don't think your friend knows very much about terminology and subcommunities because I can assure that those characteristics are used in non-sexual terms all the time. There is also a huge difference between a dominant person and a sexually dominant person, the two often aren't the same. Hence why dominant, assertive type people often prefer to be submissive in a bedroom situation.
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Midnight was very paranoid, but so was I when it came to character design at least(which I'm both am and not proud of. It's kept me from making bad characters for the longest time, that's for sure 
Man, that was a big thing just explaining my disliking of the character and the one time I did like her. Anyways, I'd say that is part of why she got the negative score, but it's also because of lack of powers and the extreme weakness(She is weak to Chaos Energy. When I told her about how Mobius is pretty much oozing the stuff, she took it literally, and Midnight was in pain for a while after that until people were able to help her).
The only character I can voice is Pyro, but it's because that for the longest time I considered my voice as his - as in, if someone were to be his voice actor, it'd have to be me. It was a somewhat easier option for me at least to understand how the character sounds, though since I can't use my voice for EVERY character, there are just some I can't do. For example, Bonnie! Ace as well, but definitely Bonnie because I can't do accents for crap(she's got an English accent... I always hated the use of words like accent or dialect, because I'm never sure how to use the words) and because, as with most girls doing a guy's voice, it seems like I'm trying too hard when I do a girl's voice. The Rollin' Rocker is a NES peripheral made by LJN that was suppose to replace the D-Pad with this giant board. You stood on the board and you were suppose to basically lean around to get the board to tilt in a direction corresponding to a D-Pad direction. When AVGN tried it, he explained that it wouldn't work if you were over 200 pounds(I think that was the limit? Maybe it was 150?), but in the end it just really didn't work. He also explained that you plugged the controller into the Rollin' Rocker to use the Select, Start, A, and B buttons, which made him ask about the D-Pad on the controller. I compared the voice-RPing thing to Rollin' Rocker because as with voice replacing dialogue in RPs but still requiring to describe thoughts and actions, the Rollin' Rocker was a failed peripheral that tried to replace a D-Pad but still required the use of the controller.
Yeah, and it gets even worse. When the person Midnight began telling people about the problem, no one cared. And in response, Sue turned her character INTO A BABY, presumably so she could get away with it all or something, maybe make the character Midnight seem like a bad person for blaming a baby for rape. Not sure if anyone cared though. Moral of the story is: Never got to the RP chat RPSonicParty. They have a bunch of terrible people there, including Sue.
sheeply.deviantart.com/art/Cha… This is the link to the tutorial. And... that's a problem. People should never bring RP stuff into real life - if he had a problem with what you did, instead of being passive aggressive to you, he should have talked to you about it. It just means he doesn't know how to RP AND took the RP too seriously. Also, the friend of mine has this odd feeling about him at times. I can literally feel his aura through the internet, just based on things he says - at times, it feels rather tense around him, due to him being rather "I'm right, you're wrong" to people. When he was telling me that the tutorial was wrong, he seemed mad at me for using the tutorial, even going as far as saying "it only takes a few minutes to make a character". And yet, despite him saying he doesn't like making characters(instead using canons), all of the characters he's made are very well written and fleshed out. It's like he's showing off at times. But he's still a nice and funny guy, usually, and I've fought too hard in the past to keep him around.
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I guess it is normal to be a little paranoid about character designs. I can definitely see why that Midnight character would be frustrating to RP with.
That is fair enough, after all, we all sort of voice our characters in our heads. If it helps, an accent is the way a person pronounces the words. Dialect refers to the things they say. ...that sounds like a fairly terrible idea, to be honest. And really? That low a weight limit? That is ridiculous, they'd be cutting out about 50% of their target market. And pretty much all children.
Wow.... that sure makes sense. =/ I would so not want to get involved with any of them to be honest, they sound like a right bunch of drama starters.
Huh, that guide is really interesting, I like it a lot. Yeah, exactly. If he had talked to be about it I would have explained more clearly about the difference between the character telling his character to do things and me telling him what to do. Very different things. I know the sort of person you mean and to be honest I don't get along well with people like that at all. There is nothing wrong with using a guide to help you create characters. You have to do these things in a way that is easy and fun for you and nobody but yourself can tell you how to do that.
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Yeah. And it didn't help that Midnight worked in GUN. And in other chats, there was these things called "Sue Hunters", and Midnight was one of them(probably the best too, given she actually remembered killing Sue. Multiple times). She coined "tree kids" based off another terrible RPer with a very young, but OP character that pretty much gathered a following to try and take down the city, and they all lived in trees. Tree kids are basically Mary Sue characters that somehow got past the character application system we had dealt with. One time someone got past by using a canon(the canon was very OOC).
No, most kids would be under that weight I'd say, because 150-200 pounds or below certainly isn't cutting out half their market, and we must have had a major obesity problem in the 80s if it cut out all kids. .3. But yeah, sorry if you got confused there, maybe it was bad wording on my part.
And yeah, they were. Sadly, it doesn't seem like any Sonic group is capable of not producing drama, though. Makes sense too. All the different audiences, all the different groups within the Sonic fandom(s), it's a surprise no obvious full-out war has been truly seen among the internet. Modern vs Classic, Comics vs Games vs Cartoons. Did you know there was a Sonic Manga were Sonic and co. were just schoolkids who turned into their game counterparts as sort of superheroes? With the fact of how many people RP Sonic, alot of the different groups that do so don't have a very specific idea on how they should RP such a franchise, especially with all the different stories being followed and written with each other. I usually follow the games, but when I play a canon I use a bit of the comics unless I feel I want to do something with the game counterpart. I play Mighty in a chat, and people were BEGGING me to use the comic story for him when I just wanted to use the game counterpart - the one I could write much easier because of the time it's taken for Mighty to be used in games, meaning there's a whole character to write with Mighty, almost. I have more freedom with him, but people didn't like that. And alot of the stress isn't even within Sonic itself, it's probably just because of the audience being older kids to young adults, people who normally are dealing with school and people who are about to move out into the world.
So yeah, explains where the stress and drama comes from at least, but certainly doesn't excuse it. I still am surprised people made such a big deal out of Sue that a whole chat had a story shift into people hunting Sue. For all they know, that's what she wanted. All that attention, you know?
Why didn't they just ban her?
Yeah, that makes sense. Last year I was talking with the douchebag that I would end up trying to tackle later, and he was telling me of his characters(felt alot like a bunch of self-inserts) and he decided he would try and help me with mine. Why he cared, I don't know, but I went with it. Ghostborg, a Nightmare Hunter living in a world where humans are nearing extinction after a 1000 year long war against the Nightmares. After his creation, I immediately scrapped the character because he didn't interest me in the slightest and the guy that helped make him apparently condoned recoloring, tracing, and as mentioned before, self-inserts. He didn't like me having a problem with it. We pretty much hate each other - he thinks I have no sense of humor and takes things too seriously, while I just think he's a giant bag of dicks.
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Sounds pretty amusing there, to be honest!
Ah, no, what I meant was that they would be cutting out about half of their adult target population. I'd say about half of all adults are over 150lbs.
Seems dumb to get so irritated with other people who essentially like the same series as you, though. *shrugs* Hahaha, no, I did not know about that sonic manga, that is awesome! Yeah, it isn't cool for people to be pressuring you into rping a certain way, it is up to you how you rp a character and they should respect that. I imagine all that attention is exactly what she wanted, which just makes it all the more dumb, in my opinion.
He does just sound like a total dick, to be honest. I wouldn't be interested in other people 'helping' me design a character if they just wanted to basically design the character for me. =/
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Oh. Well remember, back in the days of the NES, video games were more children's entertainment than anything, so their audience WAS children and teens.
And, I learned of something along that topic. I have known Sonic is kind of a bad fandom, but as part of it I'm not much better than anyone else to be honest. I have started a few arguments here and there, I'll admit that. But when I was truly part of the MLP fandom(I barely watched the show, and I haven't seen an episode in a while. I'm more INTERESTED in the fandom, because fan creations such as games and music) I felt insulted when people said bronies were bad, and now it seems that they believe the same of fans of FNAF. Both for the same reason, they both are accused of just shoving it in people's faces. I won't say it's not true, as much as it isn't true for everyone involved. Megaman is also another bad fandom I know, and I believe it's because of a similar reason to Sonic - people fighting over the canons and stuff.
As a Sonic fan and RPer, I barely understand any RP stuff beyond a universe I create, a universe I create with others, and the Sonic universe, so I can't say much else on other roleplays. But as you know, I've seen quite a few bad characters... so yesterday, first day of school for 11th grade. Yay. I come home, do my homework, go walking with my brother, then listen to a song by "Madame Macabre". I look into the comments, and people are talking, almost feeling like they are arguing, about how Hoody and Masky are represented in the fandom. Apparently, Creepypasta Fandom sees itself just as bad as the Sonic Fandom sees itself. Then a "Nina the Killer" is introduced to the comments, and Madame Macabre posted in the comments that Nina is creepypasta's "Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way" and that she should be cherished. Than someone responded to her saying that everyone fandom has its own "Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way" or My Immortal story, then insulted his fandom by bringing up how Jeff crazed it is. So I searched it up.
Long story short, I should not have searched it up.
He helped, in a really stupid way it felt. Felt more like he was babying me, like I didn't know what I was doing. People at school truly think I'm a dumbass apparently, starting with the fact that if I have an idea, it's automatically wrong and I'm a terrible person for bringing it into the world.
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I suppose that is true.
Hm, I don't see FNAFs fans as being anywhere near as prolific or pushy as MLP fans were at their worst. I'm kinda aloof and antisocial so I don't really have a huge amount to do with fandoms outside of fanart and fanfics, to be honest. Who are Hoody and Masky? And do you mean the 'Jeff the Killer' story, by any chance? I actually really like creepypastas. I watch a lot of videos by SomeOrdinaryGamers on youtube; Mutahar is awesome. But then again, my sister is a researcher of super-violent horror so I guess I'm kinda hard to scare with such things.
Some people just like to put other people down, unfortunately. People used to treat me the same way and still do occasionally. You just have to remember that they are the people too stupid to understand and value what you are saying and that they aren't worth listening to.
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Hoody and Masky are creepypasta characters, that's as far as I know. Apparently, there is a Youtube(I'm assuming it's on Youtube) show called "Marble Hornets" that relates to the Hoody and Masky stuff, but I'm not too sure. The song by Madame Macabre I heard, "To The Ark", was based on "Marbe Hornets" which would explain why Hoody and Masky were brought up. Some people were complaining how people in the fandom made Masky out to be a skinny, shy teenager and also said that "proxies"(whatever those are) were not done right in most stories. I watch SomeOrdinaryGamers(it's been a while), Mr. Creepypasta, Madame Macabre, and in the past when he did creepypasta stuff, YurioOfWind, for my creepypasta related videos. Mr. Creepypasta and Markiplier introduced me to the SCP thing I mentioned a while ago, and alot of Creepypastas I've seen were read to me by the Youtubers listed who introduced them to me. Mom's a witch, I've been on the internet for a while, and I grew up with horror movies.
Still considerably, easily scared. .3.
Yes. That's called bullying and I've dealt with it in the past. Once again, the guy just thought he was "joking around" and I was taking it all too seriously.
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I've heard of Marble Hornets, but for reason I've never really looked into it. Maybe that is because I prefer gaming creepypastas? I really like the Ben Drowned series, I think it was really well done. I've watched a few Mr. Creepypasta videos and they are good, but I have been watching SomeOrdinaryGamers since I was a teenager and have a lot of affection for the channel! Haha, well I guess some people are more easily scared than others? I'm incredibly jumpy but not a lot of things actually scare me.
I absolutely hate people who say they 'were just joking'. My mother is the master of it. I can assure you, they weren't joking. They just want a way to wriggle out of any negative consequences of being assholes. Like, when I was at school some douchebag in my year got a plastic bin bag, came up behind me and held it tight across me nose and mouth so I couldn't breathe. But when I told a teacher about that they said they were only joking so the teacher did nothing. Nearly suffocating someone = great joke, apparently.
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Generally, I'll read any creepypasta, but the gaming creepypastas are usually more interesting. Not sure if Marble Hornets by itself is necessarily a "creepypasta" though. On the video, it said the song was a "Marble Hornets based song", while other songs she wrote usually have "Creepypasta based song". Only ones that don't are her FNAF songs, Gravity Falls song, and the main theme for her show "The Seer".
And... damn. That's just fucked up. And your mother is "the master of it"? O_O
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I do like gaming creepypastas a lot. The pokemon ones, Lost Silver and Creepy Black were some of the first creepypastas I read and pretty believable too.
Of using the 'I was just joking' excuse, yes. For instance, she will make comments about my appearance, my manners, my intelligence or interests that are nothing short of cruel and when I call her out on it she will get mad at me because she was 'just joking'.
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My favorite gaming creepypasta was the BEN Drowned one, and I've written two ACTUAL creepypastas on my own(the first one I did was TERRIBLE. It was shitty and you can find it on my journal of DA. .3.)
Favorite non-gaming creepypasta is probably Jeff the Killer, for as stupid as that sounds the story is written pretty well in my opinion. Definitely "creepy".
And I see, that's just bullcrap. Jokes are not meant to hurt people, they make people laugh. And not at the person you are joking with, instead WITH them. You can't make a joke about someone's appearance without friendly intent, and especially if it was OBVIOUSLY not a joke(jokes can also be critiqued. Simply put, if it was not an anti-joke, was there a punchline, was the punchline relatively surprising but still obviously relates back to the joke itself in some way, and how long does it take to get to the point of your joke? Here's a joke: Nickelodeon. Honestly, that's all I have to say because it's become nothing more than a punchline.) Of course, some people will just take jokes seriously - not everyone will find your joke funny. But if too many people are insulted, or someone is exceptionally hurt, than you should just stop, say sorry, and leave. Of course, anyone who uses that excuse doesn't care and will continue laughing it up while holding someone's rope.
Oh god, that got morbid. O_O
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I love the Ben Drowned one, I think it is really well done! I don't know about my favourite non-gaming one. There are so many. I like the 'godzilla NES' creepypasta, which is a gaming creepy pasta too.
Exactly. If you are intending to hurt somebody, you aren't joking. Or even if you have reason to think somebody would be hurt by it, you aren't joking. After 25 years of knowing me, my mother is more than aware of what will upset me (I mean, it doesn't take a genius to know that constantly hackling a person recovered from an eating disorder about their weight isn't a very nice thing to do). I think if people are being offended or upset by your 'jokes', you are doing something wrong for sure.
Heh, nothing wrong with morbid. My sister researches horror films, after all. I'm quite used to such topics.
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Oh, Godzilla NES creepypasta? What's that one about?
Wow, your mother is just a complete bitch, apparently. O_O
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It is a really, really long one about, well, about that godzilla game and a strange red creature. That is all I'm going to say on that one so I don't spoil it if you decide you want to read it!
She can be difficult, for sure. But everybody has their problems and we don't always deal with them in the best ways. She has gotten a lot better in recent years though, especially since I saved her life after she had a brain aneurysm.
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Yeah, everyone has their issues, but if someone's given me trouble in the past I won't just let it slide. Hopefully you never let her get away with it, because generally now, her life is in your hands. She owes her life to you because you saved her.
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