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Megas75 [2012-06-24 04:15:36 +0000 UTC]
Ah yes, Mare D Well. The bane of every Rainbow Dash Fan's existence
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Police-Box-Traveler [2012-03-10 09:39:32 +0000 UTC]
Oddly enough all the "bad things" she's going through this season are making me like her more somehow XD I don't know if it's just because she's getting through it or something, sort of rising above it but maybe it's also because it's softened her up a bit so she's not so obnoxious as well...yeah I know a lot of people hate hearing me say I think she was too obnoxious in the first season but I think she was a little and this season I really have been enjoying her character development.
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Police-Box-Traveler In reply to spectrum-sparkle [2012-03-10 11:06:08 +0000 UTC]
Well yes because I am liking Dash as a character more and that makes the show more enjoyable for me. XD
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spectrum-sparkle In reply to Police-Box-Traveler [2012-03-10 11:18:27 +0000 UTC]
The worst episode for me was Mare Do Well because of the moral. It was conformist. It wasn't a lesson about friendship really. Her friends didn't tolerate her arrogance and boasting, and they manipulated her into feeling humiliated. If she hadn't caught up with them they might never have said it was them. It didn't make sense for her to just accept it, just say "okay, that makes sense!" It was like a tacked-on response to wrap up the episode. They treated her like Trixie, which is ironic since Trixie was a liar, and she just lies back and takes it.
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Police-Box-Traveler In reply to spectrum-sparkle [2012-03-10 18:41:31 +0000 UTC]
I see it differently myself. I seen it as she was being too reckless in glory seeking to the point where she was almost going to get ponies hurt before getting her catch phrase out. The others did what they did because Rainbow can be so stubborn that she won't listen and at the end nobody knew who Mare Do Well really was so Rainbows reputation remained intact for the most part. I don't think they treated Rainbow like Trixie since Trixie never learned her lesson. Should Rainbow maybe have been a little angry...probably, in the real world people who do something wrong are rather defensive about their actions but unlike Trixie she probably figured out that her friends meant well and if they DIDN'T care wouldn't have tried to do anything at all. It would have been totally different if they did it as themselves. Rainbow for all she did that was good forgot that they all saved the day and all of Equestria more than once as a team and she let her fame go to her head and it almost got ponies injured or worse.
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Police-Box-Traveler In reply to spectrum-sparkle [2012-03-11 06:39:04 +0000 UTC]
Nonono XD nothing like that. She didn't hurt them to save them, She just was careless. she was too busy practicing her catch phrase and waited too long so she could grand stand first so that by the time she got around to it it was almost too late. Happened with the balloon crash where she was too distracted and by the time she got there she missed saving that pony. If Mare Do Well wasn't there she wouldn't have had a second chance. Same with that wagon full of ponies. She was so intent on her catch phrase that one of the occupants had to remind her to save them and if Rainbow just got to it she would probably have had time to try something a second time. If AJ as Mare Do Well didn't step in they would all have gone off a cliff and yeah...there's not usually anything graphically depicting death by a crash it's still implied that they could have at least gotten seriously hurt. During the building collapse she was more concerned when it was over in her score of how many ponies she saved than wherther or not they were safe. With the dam she could have gone for help or warned everyone that the dam was breaking and maybe there would have been some sort of emergency plan in place for it. Too often she allowed her ego to make things worse and make herself look bad instead.
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spectrum-sparkle In reply to Police-Box-Traveler [2012-03-11 07:08:24 +0000 UTC]
All this reminds me of [link] by Angryaussie.
I really want RD to be a hero in her own right, a protagonist. But all too often she's just one of the supporting cast. I know Twilight is the closest thing to a main character. You just have to look at Sonic to see the opposite thing happening. But Sonic can be cheesy, and MLP is about friendship and about the characters. Nopony is perfect. Rainbow was already pretty proud and boastful, and arrogant about what she can do that other ponies can't. She was just incredibly naive about letting pride go to her head. At the start she was surprised by it the first time. Maybe it's like a slow corruption, she just does it because she can the first time, but ends up wanting to show off at the same time, because she thinks she's indestructible and can do anything.
I want a spinoff. It'll probably never happen, but something needs to be there to fill the hole. She has so much potential to be a main character and to do brave things, amazing things. But too often it's about the friendship and the moral, than an adventure story. Can you imagine Sonic being trapped in a sitcom without any other kind of franchise, like comics, games or tv shows for him to flex his hero muscles? I should look for fanfics to try the "Rainbow Dash as Sonic" test on, I hear It's a Dangerous Business, Going Out Your Door is really good, and I remember reading the part about her gaining lightning powers.
is what I'm hungry for.
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Police-Box-Traveler In reply to spectrum-sparkle [2012-03-11 09:06:23 +0000 UTC]
Kinda but I think he's confusing a "Superhero" with a hero. I agree with his points but calling someone a hero is not suggesting that they are a comic book character and are perfect. That's more of the idea of a superhero.
Dash is a hero, no doubt about it. She isn't the ONLY one though and her allowing hero worship to get in the way of her being a hero is the part I think I had a problem with. Confronting her ego with someone that appears to be a superhero though really opened her up to seeing that there was a problem I think. She forgot that old adage of "No matter how good you think you are there's always someone better than you" and that isn't to say that "You need to be better" but you need to remain humble to a certain degree. I mean yeah she was boastful and proud and somewhat arrogant before but she wasn't almost getting ponies hurt by being all those things first. Yeah she was surprised in a way and even embarrassed but later she started treating the fame like a drug and well we all know how well that turns out XD Thing is she did want to show off later, I agree and her thinking she's indestructible and can do anything meant she was getting arrogant, hence letting the balloon fall while she finished signing an autograph and being too late to save the pony. I can only think that it was a darn good thing Twilight and the others DID step in as Mare Do Well or it could have gone bad...though if they hadn't had the Mare Do Well costumes there in time I wonder if Rainbow would have still accused whichever saved that pony for taking her spotlight anyway.
lol, I doubt there would be either. She has a lot of potential but in a solo series...it would be tough. I never really thought of Twilight as the main protagonist because they spend so little time developing her. XD Check FIMfiction for stories. A lot of them are romance stories where Dash is a lesbian but a lot of them are also really good stories dealing with Dash's past and what made her who she is. I just got done reading "The Games We Play" which is really good. It involves the return of Mare Do Well. XD
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spectrum-sparkle In reply to Police-Box-Traveler [2012-03-11 10:16:02 +0000 UTC]
The show's meant to be funny, it's meant to exaggerate things to make them more comical. The moral is not to let fame for your achievements go to your head and stuff, but I don't like it when people treat their self-esteem like it's the Devil or something. Saying you have to be humble can be arrogant too, it can come off as self-righteous and preachy. Rainbow Dash was just naive about it, just for it to be funny. I don't think it means that people will neccesarily get that arrogant and reckless if they listen to praise. But it's like listening to people saying harsh things about you, if other people's opinions become too important to you it can be unhealthy, positive or negative.
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Police-Box-Traveler In reply to spectrum-sparkle [2012-03-11 11:37:33 +0000 UTC]
I get that the show is meant to be funny and exaggerate things but even though people may not get that arrogant in REAL life we're talking about the show and in context to the show the lesson remains. There's nothing wrong with being a hero as long as you don't let the praise for being a hero get in the way of doing what made you a hero to begin with.
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spectrum-sparkle In reply to Police-Box-Traveler [2012-03-11 09:43:21 +0000 UTC]
I just think if you know what it's like to be deliberately left alone, to feel deeply unloved then it's personal when someone comes to take that spotlight away, to "steal your thunder." Have you read "What's eating Rainbow Dash?" It deals with the aftermath of Mare Do Well, and her reputation being in shatters. Everypony hates her, and uses her name as a way of saying someone else is full of it. Twilight tries to catch up with Rainbow, who is just about to leave Ponyville for good just to rebuild her reputation somewhere, and flies into a rage at Twilight.
The idea of Mare do Well still seems like overkill to me. They could have just confronted her about it, or tried being heroes themselves without the costumes.
What would be tough about it? Coming up with decent stories without getting boring?
And I've heard about that fic, and I skipped to the end to make sure it wasn't depressing at the end.
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Police-Box-Traveler In reply to spectrum-sparkle [2012-03-11 11:54:53 +0000 UTC]
No see, I don't read a lot of fan fiction and for one very good reason...it's the same issue I have with Star Wars EU...people look ONLY at the surface of what they see and then read too deeply into what it means. It's like Scootaloo...we never see her parents so therefore she's an orphan, a sad and lonely abused child...and so is Rainbow Dash because we never see her parents and so is Applejack and her brother and sister and so was Rarity and Sweetie Belle until they showed their parents so now Fan Fictions have been adjusted accordingly. XD I just keep seeing people obsess on certain details of the show and then read things into them WAY too much and write their own emo feelings onto the characters that wasn't shown in the show and...don't get me wrong I love a good character analysis story as much as the next fan but sometimes it just get's ridiculous reading some of this stuff. The episode wasn't about the others "Stealing Rainbow Dash's Thunder" because if it was they wouldn't have bothered with a costume, they would have just shown her up as themselves and been all like "Bitch, we ALL saved the day before, you ain't special!" Hell, like I said they all saved all of Equestria together on more than one occasion so Rainbow letting all of what she was doing to help other go to her head was WAY out of like. The fact they let her unmask mare Do Well away from the ceremony meant that nobody had to know it was them at all. Rainbow Dash was the only pony responsible for her reputation getting tarnished a little be being a glory hog. That's my take on it though and I know a lot of fans of Dash didn't like that episode but she's in my top three along with Pinkie now...not Rarity though...
Oh no, the stories wouldn't be boring but I think there would be a limit to what you could do without repeating yourself though. You would really have to write her out of character to do it and that would mean you would have to develop her further into a much deeper character to expand her and that I think would be hard to do. You would need a supporting cast to do it and well, that would mean basically just making the same show only from the perspective on Rainbow Dash XD
I don't blame you but it was worth it and I liked the ending. I totally called who it was by Chapter 5 XD I think it worked out well as long as you can ignore some shipping XD
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spectrum-sparkle In reply to Police-Box-Traveler [2012-03-11 13:47:56 +0000 UTC]
We never saw Rarity's parents until they suddenly showed up in a recent episode. So I take your point, it's likely to be all proven wrong in canon someday.
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Police-Box-Traveler In reply to spectrum-sparkle [2012-03-12 04:33:20 +0000 UTC]
Exactly. it's just odd sometimes to pick on a single detail and run wild with it. i mean sometimes it can be a neat aspect to explore but people tend to treat it as the way it really is and it just gets to be boring sometimes...not always though. I had read a semi-sad story about Scootaloo that was interesting where Pinkie had figured out she was an orphan because after pinkie had gotten her cutie mark she lost her family in a rock slide and ran away from the orphanage. It was sad as hell but they get into her meeting Applejack and at the same time go into how she helps Scoots and it's really rather nice but sometimes i read stories and these characters, they only have that as a defining trait and it just gets so tedious to read XD It's always my biggest problem when fans write about someone else's fiction and have this need to fill in every gap with detail that isn't there XD
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spectrum-sparkle In reply to Police-Box-Traveler [2012-03-12 05:59:23 +0000 UTC]
Maybe I should look at it like the show is assuming she does dangerous stuff like that anyway, as leader of the weather patrol. But the show is more of an animated sitcom than an adventure show so she's usually busy doing that.
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spectrum-sparkle In reply to Police-Box-Traveler [2012-03-12 05:57:15 +0000 UTC]
There's a story I read once where Rainbow catches "pegapox" or something like that, and has to stay with Rarity, but in the end she has to lead her weather team and stop a tornado from destroying ponyville. So she was a leader and a hero in that one.
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spectrum-sparkle In reply to Police-Box-Traveler [2012-03-11 13:29:54 +0000 UTC]
I guess so, people read a lot into specific stuff that isn't shown.
Yeah, a spinoff would be the same show but from a different perspective I guess. These days, most episodes are written from one particular pony's perspective so it's weird.
All I know is I've gotten into comparing Rainbow with Sonic, so I want her to be more of a leader. Even if it has to be whenever Twilight isn't around at the same time. She's pretty competitive with Applejack but Twilight is always the "all team organizer" to quote Winter Wrap Up. You could argue Twilight has never saved Equestria by herself, her friends always help her out, but Sonic saves Mobius on a daily basis so that's the biggest difference. Sometimes I think she's just waiting to be a Wonderbolt and work her way through the ranks. They get to defend Equestria from dragons, they tried to defend it against Spike at least.
I don't like the episode because it's against the idea of unconditional love. Rainbow has to change. One the other hand, she takes it pretty, ridiculously, comically (since it's a comedy show) too far. But on the other, other hand.... manipulation and humiliation, that's too far too.
Inevitably, I'm going to write a fanfic that reads deeply into things and irons out my Sonic vs Dash problems. Rainbow gets to at least try and be a solo superhero. Maybe it'll be a crossover with StH so she has him as a rival. Who knows, but I'm not counting on it happening in the show and I don't want to just write something ridiculously OTT like Quest of the Friendship Stones ([link] ) but it'd be along those lines. Her taking center stage.
I don't know what I'm trying to say anymore. You can't have everything, huh?
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Police-Box-Traveler In reply to spectrum-sparkle [2012-03-12 04:42:08 +0000 UTC]
Well I mean, she IS a leader since she's in charge of the weather team for Ponyville and when she is away from the rest of the group doing her own thing in Cloudsdale I'm sure she's more of a leader but she's a bit too young to be a full on leader. Like how Luke Skywalker may have been a hero and a Jedi to the rebellion but he wasn't the leader of the rebellion.
I don't think it's against unconditional love so much. It's not forcing Rainbow to change to suit their needs because Rainbow isn't always like that. if they didn't unconditionally love her they wouldn't have bothered helping keep her ego in check. Unconditional love isn't about accepting a person no matter what even if they have gross flaws in their character. Sometimes it's helping someone overcome those flaws to be a better person. unconditional love means you don't give up, not that you don't help them to change into being a better person otherwise that is just being superficial. As for humiliation, i don't see that. I go by how Rainbow reacted which tells me that the reason she didn't get angry was because she realized her friends were right. it shows she is maturing that she didn't throw a fit like those fan fictions think she should have done.
lol, well at the very least you can't please everyone when it comes to a story and it's only because fans care about the characters that they can have such strong reactions and there's nothing wrong with that at all. ^_^
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spectrum-sparkle In reply to Police-Box-Traveler [2012-03-12 05:54:01 +0000 UTC]
I like the Luke analogy, that makes a lot of sense. When I get around to writing it, Rainbow is going to have her "hanging from the edge of cloud city" moments as well as her triumphant ones. I don't know how much I'm going to put into it in terms of made-up backstory, since it's a risky thing anyway and future episodes could contradict it. But maybe the whole "Twilight is the hero, not anypony else" is just a POV/storytelling thing. The show is sorta told from her point of view, like how Star Wars is told from Luke's a lot of the time. Luke isn't the leader of the rebellion, but he is the one to face the Emperor and Vader himself.
Still, Twilight is like the leaders-leader, like Princess Sally, maybe. I'm still thinking about this... I need to write with these things in mind, that Rainbow is on a journey like Luke Skywalker, to face her destiny and control her emotions, and to make the dynamic between Rainbow and Twilight equal, so they both have their own battles and they both make a good partnership. In the outline of my story, Rainbow and Twilight have to make a long trek towards Canterlot facing who-knows-what along the way. I've seen SatAM episodes like that, where Sonic and Sally work together.
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Police-Box-Traveler In reply to spectrum-sparkle [2012-03-13 03:43:10 +0000 UTC]
Yeah I like the idea of Rainbow having a rock bottom type moment of some sort. I know a few stories that had done that even going so far as to have her lose her wings and almost die. XD DAAAARK stuff but I liked what they did with it in the end. As for canon well, I think you could make your own continuity and backstory as long as you don't go out of your way to get it confused with the show like some fanfic writers do. I've seen some get angry that they either had to rewrite their stories or just remove the whole thing in a tantrum because the show DARED to fill in some detail they had picked on to write about XD In the end I don't think Luke had done anything except resolve the Jedi/Sith problem. More than likely even if he failed the rebellion would have destroyed the Death Star and quite possibly the Emporer with it but Luke is still the one that confronted the ultimate evil of the story head on and kept it busy. i could imagine Rainbow doing that to protect her friends from it while they worked to stop it. Possibly Rainbow might be the only one for a few reasons. One is how tough she is and another is her ability to fly and fly FAST and another is her determination and fierce loyalty. In certain respects i think a few of the others have one or two of those qualities but not all of them. AJ is of course strong but can't fly and Fluttershy while able to fly isn't as strong in the same respect. If you do it right it gives Rainbow a chance to really shine in her own right but without overshadowing the other five much in the same way that Luke didn't overshadow what the rest of the rebellion did on Endor and in space.
In many respects Rainbow to me is more of a Han Solo and Twilight would be Luke. Rainbow shares a lot of Hans qualities including being a hot shot flyer XD Twilight is more naive like Luke was and has a different journey and a mentor that teaches her about her powers. I think that Twilight is more of a Luke and Dash is more of a General Solo leading a force of good against the gates of evil, being all brash and street smart and the best flyer and putting all that to use against the armies of evil. I think that would be where she'd lead from the best. Well, I think so anyway XD
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spectrum-sparkle In reply to Police-Box-Traveler [2012-03-13 04:22:39 +0000 UTC]
I guess it depends on whether Rainbow is comfortable fighting her own battle in a supporting role to Twilight or wants to kick the bad guy's butt herself just as badly, if not more. Since I want to tell a story where Rainbow shines in her own right, Twilight facing the demon instead overshadows that. I just need convincing reasons why it wouldn't be easier for Twilight to just gather the Elements of Harmony or out-magic them. I have Nightmare Moon returning and taking over Canterlot on the day of an eclipse, and to stop her from coming back for good Rainbow has to kill her. They'll believe killing her in her Nightmare Moon form will bring Luna back, but don't know for sure and have to risk it anyway. Celestia won't be present because the eclipse made her powerless, and got sent to the moon as "poetic justice"/revenge.
Again, Rainbow and Han Solo are a lot like Sonic as well. So I guess Star Wars isn't exactly the type of story I'm trying to tell. Not unless it was like some kind of Star Wars Infinites thing where Han was convinced he had to become a Jedi.
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Police-Box-Traveler In reply to spectrum-sparkle [2012-03-13 13:55:45 +0000 UTC]
I don't think it would over shadow it at all. I mean Han Solo couldn't stand against Vader never mind the Emperor. Dash may be great but she still needs to pick her battles. I could conceivably see Rainbow being more willing to kill an evil than Twilight but killing a powerful magic with no magic at all would be difficult.
Yeah but in infinities when he got there Yoda told him to go bring Leia back so she could train. XD With MLP I could technically see some sort of magical artifact giving Rainbow the ability to perform magic that would allow her to be more powerful that Twilight so she would have to be the one but to appease fans I think you'd have to have her revert back to normal afterwards. XD
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spectrum-sparkle In reply to Police-Box-Traveler [2012-03-14 21:23:16 +0000 UTC]
Tired of talking about Rainbow Dash? Yeah, I don't blame you... *looks back at the huge pile of comments*
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Police-Box-Traveler In reply to spectrum-sparkle [2012-03-15 07:44:15 +0000 UTC]
No it's just that I had to go to bed XD I work over night so I sleep during the day XD
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spectrum-sparkle In reply to Police-Box-Traveler [2012-03-14 04:58:35 +0000 UTC]
Sorry, accidentally clicked add comment rather than preview *types fast*
Doesn't it depend on whether you believe Unicorns are the only ones with magic? It's possible there's Earth pony magic and Pegasus magic as well. Types of magic that are unique to their individual race (is race the right word?) - pegasi are the only ponies who can walk on clouds. The Sonic Rainboom and the Rainbomb in Lesson Zero looked like magic to me, but a different type of magic. The Zap Apples work by magic, and the Apple family know how to commune with it and use to to make jam.
Funny you should say that, because it was Han who finally killed the Emperor ([link]) at least in that version of canon anyway. But in terms of force powers and everything, yeah, you'd have to be Yoda or someone like that to be a match. Or Mace Windu, since he only lost to him because of Anakin's meddling.
The way I see it, the way I wanna see it, is Rainbow and Twilight are equals to one another, they're both amazing and heroic in their own ways. Twilight refuses to show off her powers against Trixie. I don't necessarily see Rainbow as being as great a leader, but she is a great scout, explorer and rescuer. Like when Sonic comes to the rescue to destroy Eggman's robots. Twilight's magic would probably work just as well though, but catching Rainbow would be a lot harder. Maybe they'd be like Marvel or DC heroes teaming up.
As for the story I'm working on, I'm no expert (I need to see episodes 1 and 2 again) but what if Rainbow used the Elements of Harmony by thinking of the first Sonic Rainboom that affected the lives of her friends, as the spark? As for the other elements, maybe she just needs to think about herself being loyal, honest, generous, kind, and enjoying laughter at the same time. Maybe it's heresy, I don't know. But if she could do that, she could use them on herself to become 's Super Dash and kill Nightmare Moon, releasing Luna from it's spell. I don't see a problem with it... yet.
(And if you're wondering who I'm so desperate to convince, only myself. Rainbow needing rescue is such a come-down as a Sonic fan. I just personally won't stand for it. Unless the only solution is something that definately IS heresy against the show and the official canon, but I doubt it. Pinkie Pie can always have HOTBLOODED PINKIE PIE, so I see no problem with this.)
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Police-Box-Traveler In reply to spectrum-sparkle [2012-03-15 07:43:48 +0000 UTC]
No, Pegasi have magic too but they can't manifest it the same way I think. So far in the show the most magic a pegasus shows is like Dash breaking the sound barrier. Her magic may be limited to her speed of flight, though that did help with her atomic rainboom she used to level AJ's old barn. At the same time that's not the same as conjuring a spell to do a task or to counter someone else's spell. It's like a wizard without a wand. Not that I haven't seen others write stories where Rainbow Dash and Applejack actually rediscovered lost Earth Pony and Pegasus Pony magic they could use to fight but I have to think that's a cop out to make them all equal instead of playing to their strenghts. I've also seen someone create a Tumblr blog called Ask Diane Pie where Celestia was the one that became possessed and Luna banished her instead. Later Luna found Pinkie and discovered her odd magic abilities that they do show and figured out a way for her to manifest that magic in a pair of glasses rather than a horn and became Lunas pupil instead. Thing is there are ways to change it.
Yes Han shot the Emperor but, he was already in a dying clone body, then he left his body and accidentally possessed another body and while they were struggling in that body he was being attacked by another Jedi when Han shot him...Han didn't do it alone and he's a one trick pony (pun intended) because all he can do is pull his gun. He can't throw lightning, has no skill with a saber, can't force shove or use any other force based skill. If it was a scene like in Return of the Jedi he would have been dead. Hell, his first face to face meeting with Vader he got off five shots had every one blocked by Vaders hand and lost his gun in a matter of seconds and that was just Vader. When he shot the Emperor he was already dying and distracted. That would be like Han walking up to Vader while Luke was cradling him in his arms with his helmet off and shooting him. That's not defeating anyone.
The problem is that the Rainboom was inspirational, powerful yes but only in the needs to how it served that particular story. These stories are too flexible and if you pick that as the reason to have her use magic you're really going to have to make sure it;s a different magic that what a pegasus does. I wouldn't think the Elements being tied to the others would just jump ship to join to a single pony. Even when it was Twilight and Luna they still needed to work together to use them. It seems they still take more than one pony.
Hotblooded Pinkie Pie is tongue-in-cheek though, not a serious fan thing. XD They're doing it as a joke and I hardly think they're taking it seriously with Pinkie doing the Kamehameha wave and leaving craters after reentry and stuff XD
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spectrum-sparkle In reply to Police-Box-Traveler [2012-03-15 09:25:16 +0000 UTC]
That's what I mean. Each race is magical to some extent, but it manifests in completely different ways. What, did you think I was going to have Rainbow learning spells? I was thinking more along the lines of Sonic Colors, drilling into the ground and making Tron-like zipline moves, and manipulating air currents, which could also be Avatar-ish (the cartoon, not the James Cameron movie.) I've read a story where Sonic's Sonic Blast (a game move of his, obviously) frees him from a levitation spell when up against Twilight in a brief sparring match.
And another thing, Celestia originally used the Elements herself against Nightmare Moon to banish her. While she is a princess, I can't see why I can't figure something out. I don't think it'll detract from the way they were used against NM and Discord by the mane 6. They're a lot like the Chaos Emeralds, and I don't think the rules on them are clearly defined. It's a kids show, it doesn't try to put boundaries on everything like more adult/young adult shows.
So, despite what you've said, I'm gonna do it. I get how it might not work for everyone, but there's no way to please everyone, is there?
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Police-Box-Traveler In reply to spectrum-sparkle [2012-03-15 10:17:36 +0000 UTC]
Well no but that's my point. She can't counter complex spells with complex spells or use spells to understand spells, hell most normal unicorns can't do that apparently, especially if it doesn't fall under their special talent. Twilight is unique in that aspect because she can do all of that. Even sonic can only do things that have an effect physically and can only do things that effect other things on a physical level. Neither could do anything against say certain Jedi force techniques.
I suppose that is true. She did say she needed to use them herself but again she is more powerful than any other right now and with her ability to use directed magic via her horn I would have to argue that she has a bit more of an advantage.
I'm not trying to discourage you I'm just pointing out that you'll have to be less straightforward with things and have to think things out carefully to make it balance otherwise from the outset you're making a"Rainbow Dash is the most awesome-est pony ever and everyone else is kinda lame and here's why" story XD And while I think many fans of Dash will agree I think you lose appeal to fans that like them all. I like them all though my faves are still Pinkie Dash and AJ. Fluttershy is too underdeveloped, Rarity is too shallow of a character that is supposed to be Generosity and Twilight is also kinda underdeveloped for the main character.
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spectrum-sparkle In reply to Police-Box-Traveler [2012-10-19 09:56:51 +0000 UTC]
All this reminds me how much I've changed my attitude to ponies this year. If magic doesn't work the way I want it to in the show, I make it work how I want in my AU. Screw this show... that I can't stop drawing for.
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Police-Box-Traveler In reply to spectrum-sparkle [2012-10-19 14:45:20 +0000 UTC]
Well if you're going to do an AU than you can knock yourself out. I had read several stories that worked really well where they created magic for both earth ponies as well as Pegasi so I say go for it.
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spectrum-sparkle In reply to Police-Box-Traveler [2012-10-20 02:32:59 +0000 UTC]
Seriously, if this show doesn't do that it's missing a trick. I know they're hugely popular and all, but I don't like how in Star Wars, Avatar and Harry Potter, you have the peoples with special powers, and the ones without. And the ones without don't make up for it with something else, they're just... regular. Regular people. I'd love to write something, MLP fanon or something of my own, where magic is a talent and the races just deal with it differently. There are a lot of things that are 'magical' in MLP after all, so I can build on it. Like in Warhammer 40k, the Orks have a special ability to make their weapons and machines work just through the power of their stupidity. In Space Marine, you can slow down time to shoot enemies when you enter Fury mode. The horn is one way of focusing magical power and using it, it wouldn't be fair to give earth ponies/pegasi "artificial horns" to make up for it, but there's gotta be plenty of ways to focus individual spells through objects. Lucky charms could really take on a special meaning in this universe. Anyway, hopefully I'll have stuff written up and submitted someday, I'm already writing my first RP/MLP story in my alternate universe that I've created. When that's complete, it should end up here. I have more than enough ideas to keep me going, but I love to talk about it too much
"I believe in equality for ALL ponies... so we will take away your magic. Permanently."
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Police-Box-Traveler In reply to spectrum-sparkle [2012-10-24 15:15:40 +0000 UTC]
Well to be fair, life is kinda like that. Not everyone is going to be a wizard and not everyone is going to be special. Of course in MLP you're dealing with magical ponies so it isn't a big deal to give everyone something special. For Pegusi, I would imagine their power would indeed focus through their wings. Also they DO have the very useful talent to control weather and create tornadoes and kick lightning out of clouds. Dash does that all the time. Earth ponies...obviously you have their great strength...sort of. Pinkie is also very fast but in some stories I've seen them make it so if an earth pony plants their hooves in the ground they become unmovable and impervious to damage. I had seen more...morbid extensions of that where AJ got stabbed with a sword but because she was on the ground it didn't kill her and she was able to heal and survive because of it. I doubt the show writers will go that far...hell I doubt Hasbro will allow them to. I find that Hasbro is more often than not a foil for some really creative ideas that don't insult the intelligence of the audience. Some of Laurens best ideas were scrapped by Hasbro. It's no wonder she left the show after the first season XP
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spectrum-sparkle In reply to Police-Box-Traveler [2012-10-25 01:51:28 +0000 UTC]
What I meant was it would be good if magic was more of a talent, like drawing or being athletic, rather than just a matter of race.
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Police-Box-Traveler In reply to spectrum-sparkle [2012-10-26 06:53:17 +0000 UTC]
Oh I'm sure there is something like that though they haven't expanded earth and pegasus magic enough to add them to the roster for that yet. In fan fiction though one can do just about anything. For example, in some fictions I've read, Pinkie is very magical even without a horn and in more than just one way. It's not just the twitchie stuff, she can teleport and do all sorts of stuff. A Tumblr blog I follow has her actually being the Element of Magic rather than Twilight.
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spectrum-sparkle In reply to Police-Box-Traveler [2012-10-26 07:02:12 +0000 UTC]
Got a link? Sounds like the Pinkie equivalent of my stuff.
It'd be interesting I guess if MLP got a reboot with another pony as the main character, again and again until they get through the whole mane 6 at least.
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Police-Box-Traveler In reply to spectrum-sparkle [2012-10-26 19:16:18 +0000 UTC]
Well the Tumblr blog is: [link] In that one it was Celestia that became evil and Luna locked her away. The elements realigned and things are different. Pinkie, or Diane as she's named is the main pony and bearer of the Element of Magic. Twilight is Laughter...and I forget the way it's swapped around. It's an interesting Tumblr for sure though it looks like the mod there is looking to reboot and try a different approach to the storytelling aspect.
As for the stories, I can't remember. I'm currently reading like 38 different ongoing stories on FIM Fiction and that doesn't include all those I finished reading in my favorites XD
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Police-Box-Traveler In reply to spectrum-sparkle [2012-10-31 07:00:58 +0000 UTC]
Well instead of a Tumblr you COULD do what Baron Engle is doing and just tell an ongoing story in art with a description of the scene in the comment section. Been an interesting read really.
Dunno about the eating meat part when the forest has lots of leaves to eat and she can fly. I read an interesting adventure with Dash Rarity and AJ where they had to do some long traveling and Dash brought down branches for them to eat the leaves off of. They said they tasted like spring XD Still you could work the meat thing if she were hurt so badly she couldn't forage for food and Gilda needed to get it for her but...even for Gilda that sounds cruel. XD
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spectrum-sparkle In reply to Police-Box-Traveler [2012-10-31 08:05:51 +0000 UTC]
Dangerous Business? I once meant to read that, but it was too long.
I never really thought of that, but I guess I can personally see that happening... in order to survive, Gilda makes her eat meat.
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Police-Box-Traveler In reply to spectrum-sparkle [2012-10-31 18:26:57 +0000 UTC]
Yes! Dangerous Business! Only issue I had was the ending. Oddly enough it needed to be at LEAST three chapters longer. Ends much too abruptly. XD They leave right after waking up a giant World Snake I believe and never go back to try and put it back out, we never see them help this other Princess that's a deer and we never learn if some of the events foreshadowed come to pass. Just pop back to the library and it's the end and well, for a story like that I felt unfulfilled.
Right now however I'm reading a new one that is I believe 200 chapters long named Austraeoh. Very captivating. Starting off slowly though. No dialog but then again, Dash is the only pony in it. It's just her and her Element medallion flying east. There's some hints that it's a mission for Luna but she's all alone and well, from what I read things get seriously epic.
Possibly, but you might want to set it somewhere where edible greenery is very scarce. Technically speaking horses can eat meat I believe or at least they've been known to so it's not like she can't. You may want Gilda to at least cook it for her though. XD
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spectrum-sparkle In reply to Police-Box-Traveler [2012-03-15 10:40:43 +0000 UTC]
Speaking of Star Wars, I've had a bitch of a time trying to defeat Boba Fett in Jedi Academy in the past. I know he's not indestructible but he's a good match for most force users. Like Rainbow, he is the ultimate moving target.
I'm mainly trying to write Rainbow in the role of the main hero, who saves the world (albeit with life-saving help from friends like Twilight and Sonic do) But nevertheless doing the most work, facing the main villain. To me, that's the pinnacle of her character development, and I want it to be by no means easy. She has to come out of it feeling transformed, becoming more mature like Luke does over time. In the end, I can only do the best I can and being able to make it flawless would be a miracle. I don't want to paint the others as 'lame,' just use a combination of Dash's strengths, things only she can do like in the Sonic Rainboom ep/s, and a certain amount of good luck. In the show, she's still vulnerable, and Twilight and AJ usually stop her in her tracks before she can risk her life going after someone or something dangerous. Maybe it's deliberate that she's less important to the plot, and less capable of defeating opponents than Sonic or Twilight. I know some people don't like how Sonic is always in control of the situation, and call him a Mary-Sue, but it's all just opinion. "Just because you're right, doesn't mean I'm wrong." XD;;
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Police-Box-Traveler In reply to spectrum-sparkle [2012-03-20 06:07:21 +0000 UTC]
Well Mandalorians are SUPPOSED to be a match for a Jedi in a one on one fight even without force abilities. That was what they were originally supposed to be like anyway but Lucas never used them that way in the movies with Boba and Jango only fared a little better against Obi Wan but in the old days the Mandalorians were supposed to be the clones the jedi were fighting against with clone armies of their own until George thought droids would be better XD
I would just suggest writing a baddie that only RD could defeat if that's the case. It kinda reminds me of the Justice League where the Flash beat the super powered Lex Luthor and Brainiac combo with the sheer power of his speed force, going so fast that he bent time and managed to shatter brainiac...of course he almost fazed out at the end but still...it was awesome. Anyway, the thing is it was something only the Flash could do and made him into something awesome.
Oh I don't think you could make it flawless, just something the majority can say they dig.
I hate when people call characters Mary Sue/Gary Stu sometimes because they seem to forget the type of self insert they are really refering to. You sometimes have to put yourself in the position of the main character to write them so there's no real option there but that doesn't make that character a Mary/Gary, no it's when you come up with an OC you can use to interact with your idol there, THAT'S a Mary/Gary XD I haven't seen too many of those I like XD
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spectrum-sparkle In reply to Police-Box-Traveler [2012-03-20 06:39:45 +0000 UTC]
Sounds like something that should have been done differently. Aren't the Mandalorian Wars supposed to have been like that in the Old Republic era/games?
That's what I want to do, I also want to make it personal. Not a long lost father turned evil like you-know-who but something personal. Like, "this is my fight!"
*shrugs* I'll do my best, it could be the most popular fic ever or the most hated fic ever. I'm not exactly writing it to get pageviews anyway.
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Police-Box-Traveler In reply to spectrum-sparkle [2012-03-24 03:25:48 +0000 UTC]
Yeah the Mandalorians in the Old Republic were a real threat but Lucas does his own thing. It's one of the things I wish he DID go back to because those stories were based on what he originally had in his scripts regarding the small amount of backstory of Boba Fett. I have a very old copy of the original novelization of ESB and even there it was said he was a warrior from the Clone Wars.
Yeah, and in that regard I think it would work. If you wanna compare sonic to Rainbow Dash I would use the older Sonic TV series...not the silly one but the other one with Sally and Bunny. That had a great model of a team dynamic I liked a lot.
I dunno, there's a LOT of fiction XD I've been reading FIM Fiction and man, I'm on Anthropology now and it's really neat. XD
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spectrum-sparkle In reply to Police-Box-Traveler [2012-03-24 03:38:22 +0000 UTC]
Speaking of which, I've been watching SatAM lately trying to understand the dynamic. But in MLP: FiM Rainbow Dash has to stick together with the rest of the group, no wandering off, no scouting ahead. Sally and Twilight are good leaders but I think Twilight is a heroic leader when her back's to the wall, especially.
I just don't get it. It's like there's no pony word for 'scout' or something. Or SatAM Sonic just happens to be the one Robotnik really hates, just happens to be the one to get in the most trouble and save the day because that's the format the show writers had to stick to. Maybe SatAM is different because it has recurring bad guys, Robotnik and his robots, and if there's anything Sonic is good at apart from speed, it's trashing robots. Rainbow Dash has no arch enemy/enemies, and there's nothing she can just lay into. But if there was something I just know we'd get to see her being really good at it, and doing things we've never seen before. But MLP isn't supposed to be about violence.
Maybe Sally and Twilight are both best at diplomatic missions, things that don't call for violence unless all else fails. Sonic and Rainbow are best at fighting missions, but Rainbow is the one who doesn't get any because it's a show about friendship, not dangerous adventures and missions like SatAM.
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