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Description I'm making this stamp out before it's far too late to stop the avalanche of shipping that has already started and will continue to ensue. I think that this is a bad pairing. A very bad, cliche, obvious but also nonsensical pairing. I do not hate people who ship it. I just think that it's a very shallow pairing that only makes sense if you don't think about it. I want to break it down for the two reasons that it is a bad pairing, in my opinion.
From a Narrative Standpoint:
I think it's defeating the point, cliche and obvious. And it makes not really that much sense.
It's just... she doesn't NEED to be with Sunburst. Sunburst moved on with his life; that was the point. The point is that he's not important, in a way, that he was a friend, and she gave up on him. He didn't give up on her, he moved on, like you should. I feel like giving her that is defeating the idea of moving on from your past. I mean, think about it; the whole point is about how the past is important, but you can't dwell on it. Dragging a colt who likely has forgotten about her because she chose to close herself off from him is like saying that moving on is bad.I mean, really, I felt like the point was that she was a petty child who never grew up, throwing away any friendships because of him. Sunburst is somewhere else and that's good, because he has his own life now. Who's to say he is anything close to what he was as a foal? He could be a librarian or an astrologist or anything, and their connection was severed when Starlight was a petty jerk. It's not fair to Sunburst to drag him back to make up/make out with a girl he knew when he was like 9 who suddenly started hating him and everyone. He probably was hurt by her abandoning him, but he moved on. It's really, really important to me that Sunburst is not a part of her adult story, because it's missing the point.
Also it's just kind of like, so cliche that it's painful. I mean, wonderful, you've learned your lesson, have a hot guy from your past. I mean, I'm sorry, but I feel like it's just such a cliche choice. It's the cheesy movie ending with no explanation as to why they should get back together and it's every rom-com ever and we don't know anything about him because he's supposed to represent Starlight's warped mindset and not a romantic option.
In short; Sunburst's point in the story was that he moved on and she didn't. She outright stated it: "I never saw him again.. Because of his Cutie Mark! He got his and I didn't! He moved on, and I didn't!". His role in the story is meant to be that he was a part of her life that she gave up on and he didn't. He went on with his life, and she didn't.
From an In-Universe Perspective:
And with that line, it reveals another issue; Starlight was a terrible and petty friend. Think about what she takes away from him getting his Cutie Mark. Think about how she phrases it. It's all about her. Everything is about how she feels. How she felt abandoned, when she was the pony who did the abandoning. She was the one who stopped talking to him. She is the one who gave up on him, and that should tell you just how selfish she is, and how terrible a friend she was.
As much as she said they were best friends, that they were never apart, it's clear that Starlight didn't hold their friendship very close to her heart. She says they did everything together, and that's great... but what matters is how she treats their friendship. And considering that the second he got any amount of attention from his parents and family, who normally tend to, you know, love their son and want them to feel loved, she dumped him like hot coals, she didn't care that much. It was all about her. It wasn't ever about him.
And really, think about how selfish she was about him; he gets a Cutie Mark, something that is important in society and personally is one of the defining moments of his life, one that's supposed to be a happy experience, and she never once considers his feelings about it. She doesn't look happy for her friend getting his Cutie Mark, which is something everypony knows is special; she knows it's special too. That's why she's upset with him. But she doesn't care about how he feels. She never shows that she cared about him at all, considering that she just gave up on him seconds after he got his cutie mark and never looked back.
Heck, he got his cutie mark saving her from potentially getting crushed by an avalanche of books, and is she grateful? No. She doesn't even think about that, the first thing she sees about him after getting his cutie mark is that he wants to show his family that he got it and that she's no longer the center of attention.
She doesn't talk to him, doesn't follow him, doesn't make any effort to follow him. She is not happy for her friend, she is more obsessed with the fact that she's not the one that he's paying attention to. She makes no effort to talk to him, attend his Cute-ceaΓ±era, interact with him, congratulate him, make any effort at all to be friends with him. She gave up because she couldn't handle the idea of her friend getting loved by his parents for saving her from getting crushed and revealing his magical potential. All she took away from her entire experience with him, all the years of friendship they apparently had, was that Cutie Marks end friendships, and not, I don't know, her being a really shitty friend.

This has nothing to do with whoever I ship Starlight with, what matters is that Starlight was a terrible friend to him, and they never had anything real to begin with.

BE RESPECTFUL WITH COMMENTS, PLEASE. Making a case in favor of this is different than "OMG YOU SUCK FOR BEING AGAINST THIS".
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Comments: 144

R0ckStarKiTTy126 [2022-07-05 03:43:32 +0000 UTC]

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StarryOak In reply to R0ckStarKiTTy126 [2022-07-05 19:23:32 +0000 UTC]

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R0ckStarKiTTy126 In reply to StarryOak [2022-07-05 19:34:51 +0000 UTC]

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hayley566 [2018-11-30 13:33:49 +0000 UTC]

I prefer these two as just friends, partly because I’m tired of the fandom being like β€œStarlight was just mad that her BOYFRIEND moved away!” Because apparently two very young kids of different genders can’t just be friends. And also because of the cliche aspect.

I prefer Starlight with Sunset or Tricia. Oddly enough, in my next gen AU, I ship Sunburst with Trixie.

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LitLeoDeLyonTamer [2018-05-09 01:28:24 +0000 UTC]

I like Starlight. But I’m also glad to know I’m not the only one who doesn’t ship this

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MagicSpyglass In reply to LitLeoDeLyonTamer [2018-10-27 22:23:29 +0000 UTC]

I oddly prefer moondancerxsunburst

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JustMidorita [2018-03-21 23:56:35 +0000 UTC]

To be honest, I hated the fact that Twilight and her friends even forgave her for being a complete, and total asshole. Villians should honestly never be forgiven for the things that they've done. Starlight Glimmer doesn't deserve to be forgiven, nor should Sunset Shimmer be forgiven for what they've done. I sure as hell wouldn't forgive the people who've hurt me in the past. But overall, I totally agree with you. Sunburst should be with a pony that truly does care about him and enjoys having him around. He should be with a pony that won't make it all about them, but make it about them and Sunburst. <3Β 

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amandakitty78 In reply to JustMidorita [2019-08-28 20:49:26 +0000 UTC]

not even princess luna should be forgiven?
starlight is a bit of bitch thoughΒ  XD

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StarryOak In reply to JustMidorita [2018-03-21 23:59:40 +0000 UTC]

Ok then?
i
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don't know what to say to this?

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JustMidorita In reply to StarryOak [2018-03-22 00:03:06 +0000 UTC]

Lmao

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MixelFanGirl100 [2018-01-20 01:39:59 +0000 UTC]

using

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StarryOak In reply to MixelFanGirl100 [2018-01-20 04:39:39 +0000 UTC]

ok

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BronyVideoGamer [2017-12-01 17:12:41 +0000 UTC]

Nothing in this world will ever make me believe that Sunburst is a good character because he was created for a lazily written backstory. I’d rather he not exist in this show.

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HoneyBuddhaChip [2016-09-28 00:44:31 +0000 UTC]

i hate how people just think friends cant be friends and they just gotta be dating

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Cianna200 [2016-09-17 15:31:52 +0000 UTC]

The main reason I don't ship is that they would be better as friends, not everyone who you have a connection with should be your boyfriend/girlfriend.

I however, never really noticed any of the red flags until you pointed it out in your words.

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Lenidusen [2016-06-27 13:26:04 +0000 UTC]

i fucking dont ship it and its like TwiDancer alotttt , i ship him with my sweetie Sour so why not ? heh

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Aegissu [2016-04-30 09:36:43 +0000 UTC]

Jfc, I hate this ship so much


Even StarShimmer makes more sense!

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AClockworkKitten [2016-04-11 00:38:07 +0000 UTC]

Well the premier came and went. How do you feel about it now?

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StarryOak In reply to AClockworkKitten [2016-04-11 01:28:15 +0000 UTC]

Sunburst is gay. Very gay.

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AClockworkKitten In reply to StarryOak [2016-04-12 20:21:18 +0000 UTC]

They're all gay, tho.

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StarryOak In reply to AClockworkKitten [2016-04-12 20:42:26 +0000 UTC]

True

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Roselite [2016-03-03 00:23:12 +0000 UTC]

If I was to ship them (and that is a very big if), it would be after YEARS of working through their problems (likely with some kind of therapist) and even then, the relationship would take more years to develop.Β  I feel that they could be together IF and only IF the story is written to go into detail about how they both were terrible friends (and eventual adult ponies) and them having to grow through that as friends first.Β  But then, I am someone who can accept most ships if the story makes sense for the ship to exist.

Now, I don't actually ship Glimmer with anyone cause I hated her as a character.Β  Trixie was the same way with me till the movies and the comics, cause then I got to see a cuter side to her (which is why I ship her with Maud).

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StarryOak In reply to Roselite [2016-03-03 00:30:51 +0000 UTC]

I like her as aΒ  villain because of her petty motivations; sometimes, people don't need some grand reason for villainy... and thoseΒ  who were hurt the least by the world believe their pain to be the worst of the worlds problems, just because they have never truly experienced pain. They think that they are the victims of a conspiracy, not simply just facing consequences for their actions; no, it must be someone else's doing, because there is no possible way they are at fault. Her actions stem from her own likely psychosis, she's an insane mare with the power to act out her fantasies. At least, that's how I see it.

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Roselite In reply to StarryOak [2016-03-03 00:49:18 +0000 UTC]

That is true.Β  I mostly think she just reminded me of people I knew growing up in school, so I instantly hated her.Β  Her role as a villain, though, was really well done.

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StarryOak In reply to Roselite [2016-03-03 00:53:44 +0000 UTC]

Fair. I know the feeling XD
I just feel like people who act like the idea of a villain who has little reason for being evil/a petty reason for being evil isn't somehow realistic or good, when often, that's how most evil (as far as you can call something IRL evil) begins in our world. People with no idea of what others feel or what real pain feels like are most likely to believe that they are the only ones being hurt, or that being hurt isn't as big a deal as it seems, precisely because they lack true experience with what pain is.

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Roselite In reply to StarryOak [2016-03-03 01:14:59 +0000 UTC]

That or they do know what real pain is but take the reaction to it either too far or in the entirely wrong direction (or both, such as with historical dictators).Β  It makes for good storytelling for a villain to be relate-able in some way (like Scar from Lion King or Hans from Frozen) rather than just evil for evil's sake (which can still make for good stories, mind you, but have to rely on strengths from elsewhere)

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StarryOak In reply to Roselite [2016-03-03 01:50:58 +0000 UTC]

Exactly

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CookieK17 [2016-03-01 03:56:06 +0000 UTC]

I only seen one or two Β fanfics shipping them,but I've mostly seen people ranting about how horrible she is. Maybe a couple of people ship her with sunburst,but I always had the impression that most bronies Β hate her.Β 

I can't stand this ship,but I don't hate Starlight,yes she was petty and a jerk,but I do believe that she can be reformed with time,note time,it's going to take her a long time to be reformed,and even then I believe only a few ponies will forgive her once she's reformed. Β Her reformation won't be like Sunset's that's for sure.Β Yeah people didn't like Sunset in the first EQG movie,but they weren't going "Wow I wish Twilight had murdered her!" like some people do with Starlight.Β 

Personally I ship her with Luna,though I can't for the life of me know why.Β 

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StarryOak In reply to CookieK17 [2016-03-01 04:29:28 +0000 UTC]

I don't understand the hate from the grounds of 'she's a bad villain because she was overreacting to a simple thing that shouldn't make her evil' because I thought that was the point. She is a petty person/pony. I just can't stand the 'but she's got a tragic backstory that isn't tragic like we're supposed to care' argument when I thought it was clear that that was the point.
I think she can be reformed; she's just a bit insane and broken.
Neat shipping~ Really neat.

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little-artist2803 [2016-02-29 00:20:26 +0000 UTC]

I love you, like even more now, my friend ships these two like her life depends on it. I tell her he no longer cares for starlight but she thinks they'll fall in love I'm just glad you agree with me!! And yes, I love you for your work it's fantastic

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TheGodFatuer [2016-02-28 07:13:11 +0000 UTC]

My 2 cents on this ship and the OC/OP's opinion (my 2 cents being based on the OC/OP's art work) is that, the opinion is very bias as the OC/OP seems to be gay, trans-gender, bi-sexual, or just very supportive of the like. While I DO NOT think that is a bad thing, most of the "more sexually curious/open" people I know, or have known haven't normally liked regular couples in anything other than real life ( because in real life they can't dispute it).Β 

Just my opinion and I am NOT trying to spread any hate; I am simply STATING MY OPINION based on observations.Β 

P.S. Eh maybe it could happen but no matter what.... it's JUST a show.

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ktCATSbone In reply to TheGodFatuer [2016-02-28 08:46:45 +0000 UTC]

No matter your intention, you still obviously hurt her feelings saying this.
She's going through a rough time and you unintentionally hurt her.

A persons opinion is based on a lifetime of experience, but more importantly, what does it matter? She is a talented and creative person and that's what should be focused on, not delving into her personal life. Thats not what dA is for.

I'm nobody's mother and I won't tell you to appologize.
I just hope you think a little more carefully about what you say in the future.

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TheGodFatuer In reply to ktCATSbone [2017-03-09 02:53:58 +0000 UTC]

Hi, so I just got back onto my DevianArt account in almost a year and I saw this for the first time. I don't know if you, or the original creator of this post (the artwork), will see this but I feel that I needed to put this here for anyone who does go combing through and sees it even if neither of you do.

I feel really bad about what I said. I do also realize that no matter what my opinion is/was/ or will be, someone's personal life is NOT something to be covered in comment of DeviantArt or anywhere else.

I am truly sorry I hope that what I said did not effect you (StarryOak) and I hope that whatever was going on @ the time to make your life rough has passed and that you are having a much better day-to-day life.

And again, I'm sorry.

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StarryOak In reply to TheGodFatuer [2017-07-21 00:05:28 +0000 UTC]

Oh my god.
Thank you so much for apologizing, even though it was so long ago, you didn't have to, but you did, and that's
Thank you so much! <3
I appreciate that you went back and thought about your past actions; not many people do that.
I'm much better, though my life's still kinda strange and rocky, and I never realized you commented because I never saw this reply... This made my day.

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ktCATSbone In reply to TheGodFatuer [2017-07-20 22:36:42 +0000 UTC]

Goodness, I've been gone awhile too and had completely forgotten.
I'm glad to see this and touched that my words affected you that much.
You're a good person

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glittervision [2016-02-23 22:05:06 +0000 UTC]

i really really don't like this ship,, like at all,, so i definitely agree w you. i don't like it when people are like "awww isn't it cute! they can reunite and fall in love lol!!" when it's like?? men and women can't just be,, you know,, friends? its also cheesy and i personally see sunburst as having a preference for stallions and starlight as a lesbian so yeah

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StarryOak In reply to glittervision [2016-02-24 01:48:38 +0000 UTC]

Well, I would really be rather hypocritical if I didn't want some people to reunite in love, but that's because I just like love and stories about love and shipping XD

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glittervision In reply to StarryOak [2016-02-24 01:58:54 +0000 UTC]

yeah yeah yeah i totally get it! and i guess it's a bit hypocritical for me to say that too haha. but idk i just don't enjoy the ship in general and i think a lot of the fan's explanations for it (not to diss them) are really simple and lacking substance but idk maybe its just me

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StarryOak In reply to glittervision [2016-02-24 03:53:10 +0000 UTC]

We all love ships and hate others, because of different reasons.
I don't like this one because it's clear that neither of them actually liked each other that much and Starlight was a terrible friend, and Sunburst seemed like he wasn't having much fun with her.

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Golden-Risuto [2016-02-06 04:26:31 +0000 UTC]

You opened my eyes about this Ship D:

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StarryOak In reply to Golden-Risuto [2016-02-06 05:33:00 +0000 UTC]

Ts'ok if you still ship it. It isn't a crime

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Golden-Risuto In reply to StarryOak [2016-02-06 16:01:38 +0000 UTC]

Okay, i'm not a crazy Shipper anyway.

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LunaticDawn [2016-02-04 16:49:45 +0000 UTC]

This ship reminds me of SweetieMash. I dunno why.Β Β 

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StarryOak In reply to LunaticDawn [2016-02-04 20:06:11 +0000 UTC]

....Kinda feels the same.

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TchinySparkleMuffins [2016-01-07 11:38:31 +0000 UTC]

This makes many sense, actually, headcanon absorbed!Β 

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amethystars [2015-12-30 00:37:42 +0000 UTC]

THIS

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UniversalGalaxy09 [2015-12-28 00:12:26 +0000 UTC]

I don't ship them.I just think as them old pals.For me when they meet each other again they start hanging and beings buds again.

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BerryPunchrules [2015-12-19 21:17:27 +0000 UTC]

To me, it didn't come across like Starlight gave up on Sunburst, it seemed like she was confused because Sunburst was suddenly taken away, and, since she was only a young foal, came to the misguided conclusion she would never see him again.
I don't ship it because in my mind, Sunburst was the shitty friend. Yes, his parents were the ones that sent him off to Canterlot, but it seems that he never wrote or tried to stay in contact with Starlight. Also, he just paraded past her to show his parents, even though she was the one who was present when he received his mark. Yeah, I get that you want to show it off, but if I got my cutie mark, I'd fangirl over it with the pony in the room, my best friend, first before showing my family.

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StarryOak In reply to BerryPunchrules [2015-12-19 21:57:05 +0000 UTC]

I think both of them are shitty friends if they gave up on each other that easily.

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BerryPunchrules In reply to StarryOak [2015-12-20 16:39:49 +0000 UTC]

It's probably for the best they separated, then.Β 

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