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Published: 2016-08-05 06:57:44 +0000 UTC; Views: 933; Favourites: 44; Downloads: 3
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Uggghhh have some Toriel and Asgore.They're just SO CUTE and they aren't explicitly together even in the happy ending and I HATE IT. BAD SHIP.
To be honest, I think they both have valid reasons and motivations, but I sort of tend to take Asgore's side over Toriel's. I feel really bad for him...he's just a big sap. Meanwhile, while I totally see why Toriel's angry, it seems a bit hypocritical to run off and leave all the monsters to fend for themselves and then be mad at how it turned out. Meh. They're still adorable and they break my heart.
I might write more later when I'm not so darn tired. Blaaahhhhh.
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A beautiful picture. You've really captured the conflicted emotions they both carry. Bravo!
Also: I agree. I side with Asgore over Toriel.
As dialog with Asriel and the neutral endings pointed out, Toriel's plans would have resulted in, at worst another genocidal war (that this time the monsters would NOT survive) and at best would have left them in the exact same position as Asgore (a fearful holding pattern) doing the exact same thing that he was doing (hoping another human didn't show up and banking on a peaceful scientific solution).
Asgore didn't go through with it, because he knew what the end result was. Also, during dialog with him you learn that he knows about the resets, the timelines, and the existence of the player as an outside entity. He knows of the prophecy about the 7th child, Frisk. In short, Asgore didn't act because he had access to information that Toriel didn't.
Furthermore, descriptions of the items suggest that most of the users were probably older and several cases show that the humans in question were violent. In fact, the only evidence of any children being among the six was the user of the toy knife. Given the location where their related items were found and hints from the game, the circumstances are unclear.
People just don't seem to get it: you can't despise Toriel or Asgore without despising the other. This is is intentional by Toby (their rooms in their respective homes mirror each other, their dialog mirrors each other, in their endings they mirror each other, heck even their respective battle music mirrors each other and you can hear strings of each in the other). Toriel and Asgore are in effect, practically the same person with the same good intentions and of course the same plan.
I think they'll get back together. Time heals all wounds and as immortals they both have plenty of that.
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Omg, this is SUCH a good comment! Wow! You totally described a lot of what I was feeling, along with some other details that I didn't pick up on (like the other humans not necessarily being children, or the possibility of them being violent like Chara). There's also the fact that Toriel is being hypocritical...she doesn't want Asgore to kill the people that fall into the Underground, but she's ok with him killing "one soul," crossing the barrier, and then killing a bunch of humans aboveground. The only different is that she doesn't have to meet them first, but either way, it's still poor Asgore doing the killing--something he hates doing as much as Toriel does. The only difference is that he shoulders the responsibility like a leader, and does awful things for the good of his people, while Toriel puts her own morality over the other monsters. Neither is necessarily the "right" or "good" option...they both kind of suck, but Asgore reacts like a king while Toriel reacts like an individual. I just tend to sympathize with Asgore more, because he has so much compassion and he's lost *everyone,* but he still tries to keep doing what's right for his people even if he hates it.
Thank you so much for putting so much thought and effort into this comment--you made my day! 
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-stands up and claps, while crying-
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waow, this is amazing o.o
Your line art is just breath taking >///<
and same, their case is pretty sad. But Toby fox wouldn't have made them separate if he didn't have a lesson to teach out of it...i guess?
but whatever, stuff happens.
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Aww, thank you! I was pretty proud of the lines in this and I'm thrilled you noticed! :3
I know at some point Toby Fox pointed out that Asgore was smiling in the epilogue credits, in response to comments that he had kind of a sad ending. So maybe at least they're working things out?
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