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Description Another idea I've had in mind for awhile with a few different influences behind it. In some ways it's a continuation of some of the ideas found in the Combills [link] and Scissorheads [link] (see also ~whale's much-improved variants thereof [link] ), as well as the Moebius Fish ([link] ), in the sense that it deals with unusual mandible designs and biological topologies. But the most direct influence was a little reptile I saw at the pet store a while ago with the spectacularly unimaginative name of "long-tailed lizard" [link] (long-tailed lizard is, presumably, his common and not his given name). My first thought upon seeing this little guy sunning himself on a branch, tail looping to the substrate of his vivarium, was that his tail would make a great device for snatching or perhaps even strangling prey--a kind of "constrictor" organ that does all the work while the animal itself doesn't have to move a muscle (forward of its tail, that is). I started thinking about taking that same idea of a looped constrictive organ and moving it to the front of the body, and the Noosejaw was born.

My thinking was that most "noosejawed" organisms would have a radula-like keratinaceous or cartilaginous strip running along the underside/inside of the "noose" with which to cut food into smaller, more manageable pieces. I can really see that "noose" squirming all over the place as a hungry animal disassembles a juicy piece of fruit (or a struggling prey animal!). Nooses of various lengths and specialized "dentition" are both very likely, as are all the obvious possibilities for traps, lures, intraspecific signalling devices, etc. I don't have a clear sense of where the actual food intake orifice is located here; originally I was thinking it would be that sphincter-like organ below the "chin," but the more I worked on it it seemed likely that the mouth is located at the center of those horny frontal plates that would appear, to our sensibilities, to constitute a more conventional terrestrial jaw.

This particular variant is not exactly a basal form, but a sort of generic representative of the clade. I wanted the focus to be on the underlying idea, so I didn't add a lot of ornamental craziness, and I also left it purposely ambiguous as to its specific environmental niche and even whether it's a carnivore or a herbivore. The head looks kind of like a turtle to me, but that's incidental rather than intentional.

Again, a relatively substandard drawing--the purpose is only to communicate the idea, not to stand on its own artistic merits. I will leave this here for a couple of days to give it some exposure and then move it to my Scrapbook.
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Comments: 75

Aditya2 [2013-04-21 07:44:09 +0000 UTC]

I find it oddly adorable... I WANNA GIVE IT A GREAT BIG BEAR HU- maybe not. Ok, I-I'll hug it.
*wraps my long arms around the noosejaw and squeezes him as tight as I possibly can, thus agitating him.*
...
*SNAP, CRACK, CRICK, CRACKLE, CRUNCH!!!!!!!!*

HEEEELLLLLPP!!!

*very odd, honking noises*

*noosejaw regurgitates my skeleton out*

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Master-of-the-Boot [2013-03-13 03:20:08 +0000 UTC]

This is an extremely good alternative to a conventional jaw and teeth. INstead of chewing, they tear it apart constrictor style. Very creative. I'd love to see more specialize noosejaws

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Toobworm [2013-01-06 00:13:47 +0000 UTC]

I find it oddly cute...I want to give it a hu...maybe not.

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thomastapir In reply to Toobworm [2013-01-07 06:12:49 +0000 UTC]

Awww, he only wants YOUR LOVE!!1!

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Toobworm In reply to thomastapir [2013-01-09 00:42:23 +0000 UTC]

HELLS, NO.

(meanwhile, in a paralel universe)

I...I...I'll hug him.. *wraps arms around him*

....

*SNAP, CRACKLE, POP*

*screaming*

*odd, honking animal noises*

*noosejaw vomits skeleton up*

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thomastapir In reply to Toobworm [2013-01-09 04:53:24 +0000 UTC]

But he's happy now, and isn't that really the important thing?!

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Toobworm In reply to thomastapir [2013-01-09 21:50:11 +0000 UTC]

Well, my life was snapped out like a light...one less perception of the universe...one less breathing, feeling, creature...

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vasix [2011-07-03 07:10:17 +0000 UTC]

Goodness, are these all from one planet? This is....an alien loosejaw? Darn it, you're good at this!

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Lee-Sherman [2010-08-07 07:04:30 +0000 UTC]

Cool concept. Reminds me of something out of Fearsome Critters of the Lumberwoods.

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thomastapir In reply to Lee-Sherman [2010-08-10 06:11:12 +0000 UTC]

Hah, nice! I've seen a lot of books on folklore and tall tales, but that one slipped under my radar.

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Lee-Sherman In reply to thomastapir [2010-08-13 19:33:54 +0000 UTC]

It's a fun book.

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spinery [2010-04-20 22:37:51 +0000 UTC]

You are a design giant, you do realize that.

Piano cord face I surely wouldn't want to meet this guy without a really big knife.

Oh, haha, that sentence is wonderfully ambiguous

Immediate association after the description, a derivative of this idea, was a gecko-tongue with bolas on the end... made, possibly, of the same material as the string, only entangled, so they effectively act a bit like yo-yos, extruding on impact, losing the end weight, but capable of entangling with each other, or something like this...

hit target to entangle, pull to shred...

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thomastapir In reply to spinery [2010-04-21 20:47:27 +0000 UTC]

Now THAT is an original idea! Love it...I might like to take a stab at that some time, if you don't mind? I'll credit you, of course.

Thanks, Michal!

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spinery In reply to thomastapir [2010-04-23 07:02:30 +0000 UTC]

You don't even have to ask you know

Yeah, credit me and all the folk will rush my way hoping to see more of similar stuff, and it's gonna be like one of those parties in a house far away from the city when no one brings anything because the owner said the food'll be there, and then says 'doods, I forgot'. And the fridge is empty, too.

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Rob-Cavanna [2009-12-11 20:52:00 +0000 UTC]

I imagine this guy with some kind of Maiasaur or Parasaurolophus type body. Something that would let him bend down low to the ground and then rear up quickly on the hind legs to really wrench and throttle that prey.

If you hadn't said otherwise, I would have totally assumed that the lower orifice was his mouth. But I love the idea of it being in the middle of those frontal plates. I think you really nailed it on this concept.

In addition to strangling the hell out of smaller critters, just imagine how good the Noosejaw would be at making huge soap bubbles!

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thomastapir In reply to Rob-Cavanna [2009-12-12 03:26:13 +0000 UTC]

Oo, good call on the low-slung body design! It's funny, I don't really have a clear sense myself of what this creature looks like below the neck...I guess I was picturing something like ([link] ), maybe with 6 legs; there's no particular reasoning or logic behind that, it just seems like the image closest to the surface when I try to dredge up a body for it.

People have been coming up with pretty inventive uses for the "noose"--I like your version, and somebody else suggested a creature that would lie in wait with the noose set out on the ground as a snare. Personally, I picture these guys reclining on tree branches with the "noose" hanging down among the vines to trap unwary prey moving along game trails. But of course this is a supposed to be a huge clade, so the possibilities are pretty much endless for noose variants and specialization.

Thanks for the great feedback, Rob! Oh, and ([link] ).

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Rob-Cavanna In reply to thomastapir [2009-12-16 00:11:36 +0000 UTC]

Dude, the spinning smoke cube was nuts! No way Mr. pachouli warrior discovered that trick smoking cigarettes.... must have been some other kind of smoke...

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thomastapir In reply to Rob-Cavanna [2009-12-17 02:39:01 +0000 UTC]


Physics, psychedelics--practically the same thing!

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ragingcephalopod [2009-12-05 01:46:00 +0000 UTC]

actually, a better idea would be to have one end of the noose be detatchable, so that it wouldnt have to risk being bitten while trying to strangle prey. (grabbing from the side as opposed to trying to guide it over the head) conceiveably, the lose end could have "fingers" or tentacles on it, and the end fits into a special orifice that contains bone "handles" to provide an unbreakable grip.

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bensen-daniel [2009-12-03 13:16:18 +0000 UTC]

What a cool, alien idea!
What if the "mouth" was the noose itself? It could coil itself around the prey (tight enough to be watertight), secrete digestive enzymes, then absorb the prey? If the animal needs to move around during the process, have the noose invertile, able to be sucked into the body cavity, where it does the work of digestion in peace (maybe the noose evolved in the first place from an evertile stomach, as in starfish, and then evolved into a hunting mechansim)

A long hoop could twist around itself, like a noose, to lasso prey, then twist again to pull tight around them.

horray! Disgusting!

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Sphenacodon [2009-12-02 23:39:54 +0000 UTC]

Guh, Commander-salamander beat me to the fungal nooses. I was going to mention those.

Anyway... I want to steal your power of coming up with awesome ideas. It's a pretty cool power, you have no idea.

The noose idea was already excellent, but the thought of a radula running down it just makes it even cooler. They might not even need a mouth - they could have small buglike rostra lining their nooses, which could liquify and suck up prey while it's still in the noose.

Another point is - how did it evolve? Because presumably it would be easier to just evolve a long nose/trunk/whathaveyou. One (weird) thought I had was that the nose could have been perforated through in the ancestral species (like in New World vultures) and that developed from it. Mind, I can't help thinking that the ancestral species would be incapable of eating...

Just amazing, as usual. Can't wait to see the predators with their long, barbed nooses, and the herbivores with their flattened food-gathering appendages.

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thomastapir In reply to Sphenacodon [2009-12-04 01:59:03 +0000 UTC]

Yes, I'm thinking that the evolutionary origins of the noose lie in a basal cephalic fenestration that became accentuated over time (perhaps through the use of labrets [link] ). I'm thinking of this modification as something that occurred fairly early on, perhaps through a "repurposing" of the kind seen in the evolution of the vertebrate notochord; perhaps the "noose" was originally a tiny closed umbilical-like ring by which mobile larval forms would cling to their sessile coral-like "parent colonies" to receive nourishment (which you have to admit is an almost unbearably cute image).

I'm also really digging that idea of the rostral orifices, as it comes closer to the original idea I had in mind for this organ/appendage--that the noose would itself be a self-contained feeding apparatus with at least predigestive abilities. That's where the little sphincter-like organ below the "jaw" comes into play--I was entertaining the possibility of the noose feeding food directly into the "stomach." But I like even better the idea that the noose itself is the sole source of ingestion.

Thanks Emile, I'm glad you like it.

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Sphenacodon In reply to thomastapir [2009-12-08 20:44:19 +0000 UTC]

D'aww, that is incredibly cute. I imagine the parents must have coathanger-type hooks for the juveniles to cling to.

Who knows, perhaps it could do both. Having the noose alone ingest does seem more efficient, though.

I love it. It sure lays to rest the claim that no noose is good noose.

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danieljoelnewman [2009-12-02 19:46:50 +0000 UTC]

This is a great concept!

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thomastapir In reply to danieljoelnewman [2009-12-03 02:36:37 +0000 UTC]

Thanks very much!

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M0AI [2009-12-02 18:32:00 +0000 UTC]

On first glance, I thought the title was "Nosejaw."
'Nother strong drawing, Tom. I consider it rather simple, but not sub-par at all. Imaginative and well constructed. The head reminds me of a dignified Iguanadon, so at first I thought this might be a member of one of your various strains of odd dinosaurs. It works well as an alien too, though. The interlocking shapes of the jaws are really nice.

The noose is looking mighty fine. Very noodly and tubular. I can feel it projecting and twisting in space, and I can easily imagine it undulating and wiggling as those beady little eyes dart around, the head held high and still, waiting for something nooseable to amble by.

I obviously don't know anything about the postcranial anatomy of these creatures, so I don't know how feasible the following idea would be, but how about the noose evolving into some sort of ambulatory organ? I can easily see it looping around branches in an arboreal species, and perhaps even evolving into some sort of undulating, anguilliform swimming apparatus. Maybe.

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thomastapir In reply to M0AI [2009-12-05 00:36:53 +0000 UTC]

I meant to say, I appreciated you comment on simplicity versus quality. It gave me a more charitable perspective on this drawing.

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M0AI In reply to thomastapir [2009-12-08 00:04:26 +0000 UTC]

Glad I could help!

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thomastapir In reply to M0AI [2009-12-04 03:56:44 +0000 UTC]

Oh wow, noose as locomotory organ! It puts me in mind of the Snouters ([link] [link] ), in which case your "Nosejaw" interpretation wouldn't be too far off the mark after all!

It's a really cool idea, and the only impediment I see might be the fact that the "noose" forms a closed loop rather than an open-ended appendage, which seems like it might make things awkward for brachiating-style arboreal locomotion, for example (talk about hoisting yourself on your own petard!), though of course there are multiple potential workarounds. Still, I see the undulating marine/aquatic kinesis as a more likely possibility. Perhaps we are seeing an evolutionary precursor to true Moebius locomotion!

Speaking of eels and unusual forms of aquatic locomotion, check this out!
[link]

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M0AI In reply to thomastapir [2009-12-08 00:11:06 +0000 UTC]

I was actually thinking of Rhinogradentians when I made that comment, but I got distracted while writing (tabbed browsing on Firefox, you know how it is), and forgot to mention it.

That link is cool! I enjoyed browsing through all the other articles it linked to, also. It only served to emphasize my lack of knowledge of fluid mechanics and such things. "Hey, baby! I betcha I can guess your Strouhal number!"

And who are you calling a petard?!

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whalewithlegs [2009-12-02 17:35:14 +0000 UTC]

Ok, without even reading the description, just from the title and the image, I think this is BRILLIANT. ( I did read just the beginnig blurb there) It does remind me a bit of the scissorheads & such, but on the other hand it's a total departure. Off the top of my head I can think of a couple of ways that the noose would potentially work, either as a true noose or as a trunk with an anchor ... woah, I just saw Ryan's comment about these being hunted for their nooses whilst typing this and it made me laugh. That's what I get for glancing about the page! I should apologize for being scattered here ... not quite delirious, but just sort of in sight of lala land from being sick. Right! Anyway, I again can't help but wonder if this would have a saurian type body or something more novel, but as with all of your busts it works well and looks good on its own. it could be either a herbivore, using the noose to strip leaves off branches like an elephant, or a predatory constrictor of some sorts. There could be all sorts of novel niches that variations of these guys could get into.

Ok, so, now on to reading the description ... woah, that is an awesome lizard! Leave it to reptiles to go all out with tail length. Aw man, don't be so tough on yourself about technicalities of the piece! This is by no means substandard! I'm always impressed by the seemingly effortless shading you do, yet it always looks so good! As for the radula, I love the image of the noose squirming around, perhaps wringing objects. Well, once again you've made a creature that really resonates with me. Not really sure exactly why, but I still enjoy this a bunch!

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Rodlox In reply to whalewithlegs [2009-12-02 20:42:49 +0000 UTC]

I hope you feel better soon.

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whalewithlegs In reply to Rodlox [2009-12-02 21:33:13 +0000 UTC]

thakns, man.

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dunerabbit [2009-12-02 15:55:59 +0000 UTC]

The very best thing about your art is that there is NO WAY - NONE AT ALL - to predict what's going to come next.

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thomastapir In reply to dunerabbit [2009-12-02 16:47:07 +0000 UTC]

I like to keep 'em guessing.

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Rayn-Hammer [2009-12-02 15:20:10 +0000 UTC]

i could see people hunting these for the delicacy that is their fleshy noose.

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thomastapir In reply to Rayn-Hammer [2009-12-02 16:45:23 +0000 UTC]

It's kinda stringy, though...Ropey, almost.

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Rodlox In reply to thomastapir [2009-12-02 20:42:06 +0000 UTC]

that's why you leave it to sit in the broth for a few hours.

I like this noosejaw. I shall take it home with me and call it George, and - OW! it noosed my hand!

seriously, great critter.

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thomastapir In reply to Rodlox [2009-12-03 16:18:09 +0000 UTC]

That got me thinking, you could probably use the smaller ones as a primitive form of handcuffs! Could add some spice to anyone's sex life. There's always the danger they'd be maliciously exploited for criminal purposes, though. And then we'd see headlines like "MISUSE OF NOOSEJAW LANDS MAN IN HOOSEGAW."

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Rodlox In reply to thomastapir [2009-12-03 17:04:19 +0000 UTC]

>That got me thinking,
always happy to help.

>Could add some spice to anyone's sex life. There's always the danger
oh yes...

I imagine the hospitals are accustomed to dealing with things like that...

"Dr Pike, Mr Carthers is back."
"Noosing injuries again?"
"Yes doctor."
"And people wonder how I afford these cars."

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thomastapir In reply to Rodlox [2009-12-03 17:10:19 +0000 UTC]

EXACTLY.

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Rodlox In reply to thomastapir [2009-12-03 20:13:51 +0000 UTC]

gee, and here on Earth, all we have to worry about are eating the wrong mushrooms.

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Rayn-Hammer In reply to thomastapir [2009-12-02 17:03:15 +0000 UTC]

......Rofl Well you have to admit people eat less savory bits of meat, how else would you explain chicken feet?

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thomastapir In reply to Rayn-Hammer [2009-12-03 16:14:01 +0000 UTC]

Chicken feet themselves are a triumph of evolution. CONSUMPTION of chicken feet is a desperate act motivated by the threat of starvation!

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Rayn-Hammer In reply to thomastapir [2009-12-03 19:36:19 +0000 UTC]

This is true, all I know is that if these things existed, someone would eat it!

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jpahl [2009-12-02 14:40:44 +0000 UTC]

As a fan of evolutionary biology your stuff sparks the imagination of what challenging adaptations may have been born out of necessity in this dimension and beyond. Awesome!

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thomastapir In reply to jpahl [2009-12-02 16:47:47 +0000 UTC]

That's the best I can possibly hope for...Thank you very much!

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Stahlhelm [2009-12-02 14:04:50 +0000 UTC]

Wonderfully bizarre.

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thomastapir In reply to Stahlhelm [2009-12-02 16:45:47 +0000 UTC]

Thanks!

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commander-salamander [2009-12-02 09:23:21 +0000 UTC]

Awesome idea!

Fungi came to mind instantly, some species use nooses: [link]
A through C show the formation of a nematode trap, D shows capture!
Action shot: [link]

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